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BS: Need Anvil

Jeep man 13 May 05 - 09:46 PM
Ebbie 13 May 05 - 10:25 PM
mack/misophist 13 May 05 - 10:26 PM
Jeep man 13 May 05 - 10:36 PM
Ebbie 13 May 05 - 11:06 PM
Peace 13 May 05 - 11:14 PM
Kaleea 13 May 05 - 11:36 PM
Jeep man 14 May 05 - 12:29 AM
open mike 14 May 05 - 03:33 AM
GUEST,Rapaire 14 May 05 - 06:55 PM
GUEST,brucie 14 May 05 - 06:59 PM
GUEST 14 May 05 - 07:18 PM
GUEST,brucie 14 May 05 - 07:19 PM
GUEST,Avril Betts 14 May 05 - 08:02 PM
Ebbie 15 May 05 - 01:35 AM
Ebbie 15 May 05 - 02:39 AM
Dave Hanson 15 May 05 - 06:23 AM
Raggytash 15 May 05 - 06:23 AM
Hrothgar 15 May 05 - 06:35 AM
The Fooles Troupe 15 May 05 - 09:54 AM
Peace 15 May 05 - 05:30 PM
polaitaly 16 May 05 - 08:56 AM
JohnInKansas 16 May 05 - 12:03 PM
The Fooles Troupe 16 May 05 - 08:09 PM
GUEST,Bee-dubya-ell 16 May 05 - 10:39 PM
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Gervase 17 May 05 - 04:48 AM
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GUEST,Raggytash 19 May 05 - 06:03 AM
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Subject: BS: Need Anvil
From: Jeep man
Date: 13 May 05 - 09:46 PM

This is really far from music, but I hope you folks will forgive me this time.

With help from some friends, I am setting up a Blacksmith's Shop just for fun and Display. The local kids are really into this and are a lot of help.

It will be a learning place for kids and a loafing place for adults.

I need a used Anvil. If anyone can help me track down one that is very reasonable, I can finish the shop.

Please PM me if you can help. Jeep


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 May 05 - 10:25 PM

Sounds fun. I have no idea what happened to my father's anvil, but I'm sure there are still a lot of them out there. I'd check horse boarding places, farrier supply shops... Depending on where you live you could check horse breeding stables and maybe farms that are being encroached upon with housing developments. If you know a farmer, call him or her and ask them if they know of one.

Anvils are pretty nigh indestructible and not terribly portable. And they should be around- no one would want to pay to have one hauled off to the landfill!

Does your local radio station have a daily community show? Juneau has one, called The Problem Corner, and everything in the world gets asked for and offered there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: mack/misophist
Date: 13 May 05 - 10:26 PM

I, too, always lusted after an anvil. Now that I have one, I'm keeping it. Anvils are cool! (I got mine free at a sort of garage sale.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Jeep man
Date: 13 May 05 - 10:36 PM

Thanks for the good words. I hesitated to ask this on Mudcat, but your fine reception is wonderful. Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 May 05 - 11:06 PM

Hey! I figure EVERYTHING is fair game. Who was it who said: "Nothing common to the human condition can be alien to me"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Peace
Date: 13 May 05 - 11:14 PM

Jim, I googled anvil, sale and a few other things. They can get expensive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Kaleea
Date: 13 May 05 - 11:36 PM

Anvils are quite important to Musicians, most especially when performing the Anvil Chorus!


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Jeep man
Date: 14 May 05 - 12:29 AM

I heard that!! Jeep


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: open mike
Date: 14 May 05 - 03:33 AM

start a local www.freecycle.org group and post it on there...
good luck and sounds like a great project...


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 14 May 05 - 06:55 PM

If you are going to use it as opposed to simply displaying it, make sure you get a "live" one. Hard to explain, but a blacksmith will know what I mean.

(My brother -- both are eccentric, but this is the moreso of the two -- has a forge, anvil, and the whole works. He recently made me and the other brother a knife with a Damascus blade. It's right pretty. He sold his coffin, but he still has two cannons.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 14 May 05 - 06:59 PM

Just got a job as the Human Cannonball in a circus. Was hired and fired in the same day!


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 05 - 07:18 PM

Eureka. But the shipping will be a doozey.


http://www.menintools.com/shop/anvil.html


Found at this site

hundreds of years by the best foundrymen, machinists, and heat-treaters ...
www.menintools.com/shop/anvil.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 14 May 05 - 07:19 PM

Sorry. That was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: GUEST,Avril Betts
Date: 14 May 05 - 08:02 PM

I thought this said need AVRIL until I went in. never mind!


yours sincerely

Avril Betts


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 05 - 01:35 AM

"(My brother -- both are eccentric, but this is the moreso of the two -- has a forge, anvil, and the whole works. He recently made me and the other brother a knife with a Damascus blade. It's right pretty. He sold his coffin, but he still has two cannons.) " Rapaire

Rap, I wish I could have heard say that paragraph in person. Your brother sounds - well, shall we say, interesting?

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 05 - 02:39 AM

Insert 'you', please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 15 May 05 - 06:23 AM

Oi Avril, I need an Avril, anvils are just too heavy man.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 May 05 - 06:23 AM

Where are you based, I may be able to help


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Hrothgar
Date: 15 May 05 - 06:35 AM

I'd watch those used anvils. Some of them have really had a hammering.

And Avril, you're six weeks late.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 May 05 - 09:54 AM

Ooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Peace
Date: 15 May 05 - 05:30 PM

Naughty girl.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: polaitaly
Date: 16 May 05 - 08:56 AM

Ebbie, I think it was Lucrezio: "Humanus sum: nihil humani a me alienum puto."


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 16 May 05 - 12:03 PM

You might find some helpful hints at Forge and Anvil, produced by the University of Georgia Center for Continuing Education in Athens, Georgia.

The links there to Other Blacksmith-Related Web Sites and to Other Blacksmith-Related Resources looked particularly interesting, although I didn't dig too deep.

The anvils linked by GUEST (14 May 05 - 07:18 PM) – temporarily anonymous brucie – didn't look like they had the hardie and pritchel holes that you'll likely want once you figure out how to make the accessories to go in them. (They may be there and just not showing up in the illustrations.) I didn't find a good description of the uses, but Nimba Anvils makes reference to them, and you can see sort of where they're located on the Nimba models. As you may note, the Motorsport anvils brucie referred to are sort of wimpy compared the the Nimba models; but then the Nimba prices aren't wimpy either:

NIMBA ANVIL PRICES (US)
Gladiator 450 lbs. $1,850 ($4.11/lb.)
Centurion 260 lbs. $1,150 ($4.42/lb.)
Titan 120 lbs. $750 ($6.25/lb.)

These prices are probably "reasonable" for a new anvil of decent quality.

If you've had limited experience, a fairly decent reference for "beginners," The Complete Modern Blacksmith, Alexander G. Weygers, ©1997 Peter Partch, Ten Speed Press, (distributed by Airlift Books in the UK) has been around recently for about $20 US. I think I got my copy at Barnes. They suggest a 75 pound anvil as sufficient to get you started. They also include a "plan" (brief but sufficient) for making your own small anvil from salvaged railroad rail, although I'd guess you'd want oxy-acetylene for cutting some of the profiles. You'd probably end up with something in the 20 to 40 pound range (or less) with one of these, so you'd need to bolt it down on something really solid.

Old rail hunks are pretty commonly used around most farms in my area. Not too many even of the "old-timers" still have a good store-bought anvil.

Lakes Forge has some assorted tools in their catalog that may give an idea of the sort of parts and pieces you'll be looking for. They are a UK source, but should be ok for info. They seem to know the difference between a farrier's anvil and a blacksmith anvil. You'll likley want to decide which you want, but given the going rate on good ones I'd suggest taking what you can get. You might want to see if you can figure out what some of the small parts in their catalog are, like the clinch blocks, fullers, hardies, and pritchels etc.

Don't forget that at least as important as the anvil and forge is a good grinder. Get the best and biggest you can there. And if you're going to have a forge you need to train all your friends to bring in every little scrap of iron and/or steel they find that's over a couple of ounces – especially the stuff more than 1/8 inch thick. (Unless you live next door to a junkyard with a hole in the back fence.)

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 05 - 08:09 PM

Railroad rail comes in various weights per standard length (foot?). the really heavy main line stuff approaches 40 - 80 pounds, so a few feet can really weigh a bit.

If you are lucky enough to acquire some 'tram track' - it is different. Rail line is mostly symmetrical, but with wear you can see one side of the profile is different. Tram track allow the wheels to run in a groove on top of the rail, so you have a ready shaped work hardened surface with a rounded groove on the top for some sorts of shaping.

In Australia, it is not unusual to bolt down the anvil to a lump of 'iron bark' wood buried several feet in the ground and raised up enough to give a good working height - this can weigh several hundred pounds. It also gives a little 'life' to the resultant anvil, especially if the steel is under 100 pounds.

Aussie 'iron bark' wood is a very dense eucalyptus, 'iron wood' similar woods exist in the US. BTW, the bark of the iron bark tree burns so hot (the oil), that it is used to fit steel tyres on wooden rims - lay the ring on the ground, stack some bark chunks around the steel, light them, and in about 20 mins the steel is red hot. Cool, huh? :-)

Robin
A 'New Renaissance Man' dabbler....


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: GUEST,Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 May 05 - 10:39 PM

Since someone mentioned Avril...

"Avril Lavigne" is an anagram for "living larvae".


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 May 05 - 04:09 AM

Knee Danville; isn't that a low joint on those gals they keep singing about? You know, the one that Pete Seeger got stuck on.
D'anvil Girl?
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Gervase
Date: 17 May 05 - 04:48 AM

I have to say that the anvils in the ad above look bloody awful - I wouldn't use one at half the price! A good anvil needs a tempered face and a soft cutting table, not to mention the hardie and pritchel holes. Keep your eyes open on ebay and contact as many blacksmiths as you can. I got my 112lb London pattern anvil from a local blacksmith who was slimming down his business and it cost me about the same as the god-awful Menin Tools anvil above - with a good leg-vice thrown in.
Ironbark sounds good for an anvil stand - just wish we had it in the UK. Here we use elm (which is hard to come by since the dread Dutch elm disease outbreak). Whatever you use, you need enough to set at least a foot into the ground and to have the anvil at a height so that your knuckles can touch the face when you stand next to it (I prefer to have it two inches higher, but I've got a bad back!).
Lakes Forge are extremely good for tools, as is Glendale Forge - you'll certainly need hot and cold setts, fullers and flatters if you're going to start forge work.
And here are some other links which may prove useful:
Blacksmith's Gazette
The Electric Anvil
The American Blacksmith
Metal Web News (which has a 'for sale' and 'swap' section.
Good luck!


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: GUEST,bobad
Date: 17 May 05 - 09:36 PM

Have you tried e-bay seems to be some available there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Jeep man
Date: 17 May 05 - 11:51 PM

Raggytash, sorry to be so long in replying.

I live in the mountains of Western North Carolina. 25 miles south of Asheville. Thanks for your interest. Jeep


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Jeep man
Date: 17 May 05 - 11:56 PM

Raggytash, sorry to take so long to reply. I live in Western North Caarolina. Blue Ridge Mountain country. About 25 miles south of Asheville. Jeep


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: open mike
Date: 18 May 05 - 12:07 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Avril Betts
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:09 AM

I could fancy a big strong muscular blacksmith type fellow. Aren't anvils for laying things on and giving them a good pounding - sounds good to me. I could also fancy that long pointy bit on the end - of the anvil I mean.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Avril Betts
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:16 AM

Incidently Hrothgar, if I was six weeks late there would be a panic among half the male population of North West Kent !


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Margaret V
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:28 PM

You might contact the Penland School of Crafts (not far from Asheville, I think)and see if they can hook you up with something or someone. Margaret


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 19 May 05 - 06:03 AM

Sorry Jeep Man I think shipping a 250lb Anvil across the big pond might be cost prohibitive !


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: Jeep man
Date: 19 May 05 - 10:54 PM

Raggytash, you are so right. Thanks for your help. Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 May 05 - 02:45 AM

At a "Farm Fest" afew years ago there were a lot of anvils that looked like they had been cleaned up after being salvaged from a shipwreck. Some anvils do get shipped around on the briny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: gnu
Date: 30 May 05 - 01:04 PM

I see in the Princess Auto (Canada only?) flyer that they have a Power Fist anvil on sale this week. It's only 24 ponnds. Have you found one yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Need Anvil
From: DonMeixner
Date: 30 May 05 - 02:12 PM

Jeepman,

I don't suppose a new one is out of the question? Harbor Freight

has then from time to time, 50 lbs and up. Not too pricey. Or do you need one with the right Hardies and assorted stakes?

Don


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