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Folk artists who are vegan

Schwa 24 Apr 05 - 02:07 PM
Alaska Mike 24 Apr 05 - 02:09 PM
Cllr 24 Apr 05 - 02:12 PM
Liz the Squeak 24 Apr 05 - 03:19 PM
Linda Kelly 24 Apr 05 - 05:10 PM
mandoleer 24 Apr 05 - 06:59 PM
GUEST,fullerton 24 Apr 05 - 07:09 PM
greg stephens 24 Apr 05 - 08:06 PM
Susan A-R 24 Apr 05 - 09:57 PM
Frankham 24 Apr 05 - 10:20 PM
Liz the Squeak 25 Apr 05 - 01:25 AM
John P 25 Apr 05 - 01:47 AM
alanabit 25 Apr 05 - 03:35 AM
sapper82 25 Apr 05 - 03:59 AM
padgett 25 Apr 05 - 04:03 AM
alanabit 25 Apr 05 - 07:59 AM
JohnB 25 Apr 05 - 09:21 AM
Suffet 25 Apr 05 - 11:41 AM
Herga Kitty 25 Apr 05 - 04:55 PM
mandoleer 25 Apr 05 - 05:54 PM
GUEST, harvey andrews 25 Apr 05 - 06:02 PM
Liz the Squeak 25 Apr 05 - 06:30 PM
bobad 25 Apr 05 - 07:07 PM
Sorcha 25 Apr 05 - 07:22 PM
Herga Kitty 25 Apr 05 - 07:46 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 25 Apr 05 - 08:44 PM
harpgirl 25 Apr 05 - 11:37 PM
open mike 26 Apr 05 - 01:37 AM
Liz the Squeak 26 Apr 05 - 02:18 AM
alanabit 26 Apr 05 - 02:30 AM
Dave Hanson 26 Apr 05 - 02:38 AM
GUEST 26 Apr 05 - 05:12 AM
JedMarum 26 Apr 05 - 11:28 AM
JedMarum 26 Apr 05 - 11:39 AM
GUEST,padgett (at home) 26 Apr 05 - 01:16 PM
Schwa 26 Apr 05 - 03:19 PM
GUEST,Bill Kennedy 26 Apr 05 - 03:19 PM
shepherdlass 26 Apr 05 - 05:58 PM
Frankham 26 Apr 05 - 06:38 PM
Frankham 26 Apr 05 - 06:50 PM
Dave Hanson 27 Apr 05 - 04:36 AM
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Subject: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Schwa
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 02:07 PM

I saw Vick Clayton performing in Leicester yesterday and she mentioned she was a vegan. Does anyone know of other vegan folk artists?


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 02:09 PM

my son is a vegan, but he prefers hiphop over folk.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Cllr
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 02:12 PM

Robb Johnson is vegan down to bhis plastic doc martins, cllr


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 03:19 PM

June Tabor is vegetarian but I'm not sure if she's vegan.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 05:10 PM

Jez Lowe is a vegetarian


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: mandoleer
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 06:59 PM

Always wondered what vegans have got against animals and hill farmers. I mean, if they get their way and everyone becomes vegan, no more cows, sheep, pigs, hens - except in xoos, and aren't they against them as well? What farmer is going to keep sheep if even the wool is unsaleable? So bye-bye the hill farms in Cumbria and Wales... The figures about relative energy needed to produce meat and cereals come to grief when you look at hill farming. You can't grow much grain up Helvellyn, but you can pasture sheep there.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: GUEST,fullerton
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 07:09 PM

I only know 2 vegans - both anorexic


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 08:06 PM

From personal experience, I know many vegetarian musicians, but no vegans. Over a period of time, you dont really know vegans, I think. they either stop being vegans, or they die.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Susan A-R
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 09:57 PM

I know and feed a few of em. An awful lot of Thai/Chinese/Indian food can fit easily into that category. I also often feed musicians coming through this area, and haven't met any vegans, and only a few who are truly veg, although a lot of em won't eat red meat. I've been interested in the number of young women, highschool age, who are vegan. They often come into the Kitchen because I do serve relatively healthy vegan meals. It's interesting to see the consternation when they realize that I really won't make vegan key lime pie for them, although there is a pretty amazing vegan chocolate cake recipe (the 50s dump cake)

I guess folks are going to eat what they want, and there's usually plenty of variety out there to give em good, nutritious, tasty food, no matter what the diet. I guess I just like a challenge.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Frankham
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 10:20 PM

I am a Vegan. Have been for some time. Feel great! I am also a folk artist.

"Always wondered what vegans have got against animals and hill farmers. I mean, if they get their way and everyone becomes vegan, no more cows, sheep, pigs, hens - except in xoos, and aren't they against them as well?"

Mandoleer, to respond to you:

Most Vegans don't care if people are like them because they   recognize the journey it took to get there. Vegans are tolerant of others. They know that it takes a lot of growth to get there and are not judgemental. If some appear to be, I bet they are not the real deal.

There are so many points of view about this issue by doctors, medical professionals and scientists and they all differ. In my own case, it's made my life so much easier and better. Can't speak for any other Vegans and won't attempt to. I am not anorexic and love to eat. I refuse to lecture anyone on the subject and if they ask I will respond with how it affects me and that's all I'm qualified to really say.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 01:25 AM

Vegans who are anorexic would probably be anorexic if they were carnivores. Anorexia is not a result of poor or restricted diet, it is an illness of the mind. Using your reasoning, half the world's population is not suffering from famine, it is simply anorexic.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: John P
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 01:47 AM

I'm a vegetarian and my wife is a vegan, have been for most of our adult lives, and we both play folk music. Neither of us are unhealthy or anorexic. Neither of us cares to try to tell other folks what to eat, or what to believe.

John Peekstok


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: alanabit
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:35 AM

Thank you John, Frank and Susan. I am vegetarian, but not vegan. I do not feel the need to comment on other people's choices. At the age of near fifty I can walk and cycle long distances and do martial arts training three to five (usually five) times a week. That is not true of all carnivorous thirty year olds.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: sapper82
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:59 AM

Frank;
Vegans tollerent of others?? If you are on AOL try looking up the postings of "Reawales" from the time of the F&M crisis. She is a self professed vegan and also appears to be VERY heavily involved in Animal Rights terrorism.
Vegetarianism is un-natural enough but veganism????


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: padgett
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:03 AM

I'm not educated enough to know what a vegan is but if its simply a non meat eater Robin Garside is one. In fact he has a song about it!


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: alanabit
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:59 AM

The "natural and unnatural" argument holds no water at all. Gay sex is unnatural to me because I am not gay. If I were, it would be the most natural thing in the world. When I stopped eating animals nearly twenty years ago, (in the aftermath of recovering from Hepatitis B), it meant that I no longer woke up every night with stomach pains. Do you feel it would be "natural" for me to get them back again?


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: JohnB
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:21 AM

I am a vegetarian, as is my wife, our friend who forms the third part of our group Triangl is almost vegan. This has come about mostly through health reasons, except for me. We have all raised and milked/slaghtered/collected eggs shorn worn and eaten sheep, goats, chickens, ducks and a few more animals species. Which is basically how we met about 25 years ago. Oh! and YES we do still sing Hunting Songs.
JohnB


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Suffet
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:41 AM

Alison Kelley-Kraan of the Johnson Girls. She won't even eat honey, although it took her a while to arrive at that level of veganism.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:55 PM

Padgett

Being vegetarian means not eating dead animals. Some people seem to think that fish don't count as animals. This is a convenient argument if you like beer and know where finings come from.

Being vegan means not consuming animal products - so no cow's, sheep or goat's milk, cheese, eggs, or in Alison's case, honey.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: mandoleer
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 05:54 PM

OK, Frank, so most vegans aren't trying to get the rest of us converted. But what about the hill farms? And what's wrong with wearing wool? By the time it gets round to shearing time, the sheep doesn't need all that fleece.... Personally, I could never even become a vegetarian. It's bad enough as it is trying to get food (outside my own household, that is) without it being contaminated with onion. Vegetarian stuff seems to rely extremely heavily on onions. No way, Jose, so far as I am concerned. Oh, and another query - do any vegans keep cats? and if they do, what do they feed them on?


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: GUEST, harvey andrews
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 06:02 PM

THE VEGGIE SONG


Times are hard, times are tough
It's time for change, we've had enough
Let me say, there's a way,
To improve your every day
It's a simple recipe,
It suits the way I like to be
You know life can be so sweet,
When you don't eat meat.

Please don't cut that throat for me,
I'll eat mushroom fricassee
Wheat and corn, you ain't born,
Till you've tried some home fried quorn
Steamed or stuffed, creamed or puffed
Glazed or braised, ain't that enough
Veg can be a treat…when you don't eat meat.


Mister butcher, spare that lamb,
Please don't turn that pig to ham
We can solve all farming's ills,
If we stick to pasta quills

There's no need for blood and murder,
Just chomp on this nice bean burger
And here's a baby beet…don't eat meat.

Boil that rice, oh that's nice,
Pancakes you could just eat twice
An aubergine, a butter bean,
Something green, I feel so clean
Mangoes, apples, melons, limes,
Add the good fruit of the vines
It's all great to eat…..bin the meat

Let's let lambs baa and bleat,
Don't mince up that udder teat
Cows and calves don't eat meat,
So why do we, let me repeat
There's a simple remedy,
So why don't you join with me
And life could be so neat
Don't eat meat.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 06:30 PM

Cats do not thrive on a vegetarian diet although they do like eating vegetables. Dogs can and will thrive on vegetable diet but they need vast amounts of charcoal biscuits to make them bearable.

Strict vegetarians will not use animal products where the animal has died to provide it. Strict vegans will not use any product that has been produced from or by an animal.

They do not come from the Vega star system.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: bobad
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:07 PM

Passive-Aggressive Vegan Grocery Cashier:
A Day in the Life.
BY MEREDITH GRAY

- - - -

6:30 a.m. Awake to a bright and morally untroubling day. Waft into kitchen to prepare a healthy, animal-free breakfast. See that girlfriend (Jennifer) has cooked cream-of-tomato soup in my saucepan, and has left it in sink. Don't want to start fight. Instead, blend spirulina breakfast shake in blender for entirety of time in shower.

7:30 a.m. Put PETA "I am not a nugget" T-shirt on under work polo. I know I've made a small difference.

8:15 a.m.-8:25 a.m. After leaving questionably sarcastic note for Jennifer, drive to work. Tailgate Durango with "Carnivore" sticker. Feel he noticed: small victory. Arrive at work. Clock in. Intentionally snub butchers' department; give them the finger with hands in pockets.

9:20 a.m. Fellow-cashier (Brandi) asks for price on eggs. "The price is too high," I say. "Too high." She is so moved by my answer, she does not consult me for price checks for rest of day.

10:25 a.m. Get poultry drippings on shirt from raw chicken at checkout. Consider changing into extra work shirt, but decide not to. Fluids will be Pink Badge of Sacrifice. Brandi tells me I have chicken blood on my shirt. "But not on my hands," I say.

11:00 a.m. Overcharge woman buying Jell-O.

11:15 a.m. Lunch break. Eat bagel with peanut butter sprinkled with texturized vegetable protein. Brandi sits nearby, eating turkey sandwich. Stomach turns. She asks if she should eat elsewhere. I say, "No, I just won't breathe through my nose." After meal, go to loading dock and smoke cigarette to clear air of turkey smell.

11:45 a.m. Return from lunch break. Remove Burt's Bees products from display next to register. Manager complains. Tell her I'm sorry, that from now on I will be more accepting of the exploitation of bees. She asks me to work every Saturday for the month. I accept, interested to see how many pork products are bought on Sabbath. Will make great entry in journal.

12:50 p.m. Customer comments on "Go Veg!" sticker, which is on my water bottle under counter. I give short discourse on Marxist view of man-vs.-animal struggle, especially as it pertains to bovine lactation exploitation. I "accidentally" spill his container of feta on floor. He informs me he will no longer shop here. I congratulate his grass-roots activism against the grocery industry.

1:30 p.m. Ask customer if she wants paper or plastic. Add, "Or a coronary," as I cough into hand. Feel energized about standing up for beliefs.

2:55 p.m. Brandi asks if I am mad about the sandwich incident. I say no, but know she knows I'm mad. Continue covert glaring toward her register.

3:10 p.m. Smoke break. Co-worker (Dave) says, "I'm surprised you do that." "Well, being vegan isn't for everyone," I counter. Note he must be jealous of my self-control.

4:00 p.m. Receive call from Jennifer. Asks if I can pick up birth-control prescription. I begin to mention the evils of hormone harvesting from horses, but refrain. Decide to "forget" to go to pharmacy.

4:30 p.m. Clock out. Grab wheat-grass smoothie for drive home. Accidentally let shopping carts roll into butcher's car. Oops.

4:45 p.m.-6:00 p.m. Confrontation with Jennifer over birth control. She says pills are "synthetic" hormones. I say the only thing synthetic are my shoes—no leather here! I refuse to have intercourse until a non-latex-based, nonhormonal birth-control method is established. Jennifer rummages through vegetable crisper, retires to bedroom. I believe she is beginning to see the light.

7:45 p.m. Leaf through PETA catalog (new hemp shoes!), eat tofu stir-fry. Decide not to brush teeth after eating as I usually do to accommodate Jennifer's soy sensitivity. Give her sloppy kiss when she emerges from bedroom. Swear that resulting hives are from a built-up Midwestern resistance to healthful, nonmeat alternatives. She begins to cry. Finally, a breakthrough.

10:20 p.m. Read Vegan Delights cookbook in bed, fall asleep on goose-down pillows Jennifer put on bed. Could go to closet and get fiberfill one, but don't. Will blame Jennifer forever if ideological tenets are damaged by night of fluffy respite. Pledge to record this in journal tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:22 PM

Just why is this an interesting topic? What possible interest could I have over some folkies diet????


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:46 PM

Sorcha

If you're vegan you don't use animal products, so you'd want to be sure that no cats or horses had died to produce any strings or bows...

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 08:44 PM

Heloo.= vegetarians could fuvk up the economy,becase of if every body stopt eating meat etc, then butchers and slaughtermen got no jobs,
so just think about that wehn you eating your lentils etc.

and anyway= it says in the bibble [somewerer , not surew were, but i sure it says it]

="god says ="i give animals to you to eat, so kill them and eat them",


and anyway= most vegetaerians tyhat i seen in my life, all been skinny, and i been shag a vegetairian caleed Gill, and snd she was really skinny, and she got depressed.


dep, i reckon depressded i caused by not eat meat, [i prove it=]

i been out , and shag loads of fat woman, ., fat womens are always happy, and nicer, and have good sense [hoew you spell sense], always have good sense of humour, .


and fat woman make good wife, [plenty of reason]= they good at cooking, ie man go wirk all day, get in, go to house, and wife make nice foods, and plenty more reasons, ie plenty of nurses are fat, , this means they [fat womn] care about people..


espilly fat black womans, they are the best, this, becase they make big curry, stew soups etc.



skinny woman= rubbisj, always on diet, and boring.

and fat woman= good at look after the kids.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: harpgirl
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:37 PM

on behalf of fat women everywhere, sir jOhn, I thank you.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: open mike
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 01:37 AM

i am vegetarian
except for fish and sea food.
no poultry, red meat, mammals.
I eat things with fins and scales
but not with fur and feathers.
I am an ovo-lacto
meaning i will eat eggs and dairy
i wonder if there are those who
wil not eat yeast because of those
little anumalcules, the yeasty beasties.
would this mean beer and wine are also out?
and what about those little critters that
make yogurt? acidophilus? is that bacteria?
are they living creatures?
some vegetarians will eat placenta, as it
is the only meat where something does not
have to die to get it.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 02:18 AM

Sir John, thank you from the fat bottom of my heart, but I will contradict you on one thing..... I don't do the childcare thing. Limpit will testify... I beat her regularly, chase her round the house and nag her to death.

She still comes home though.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: alanabit
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 02:30 AM

Dear Sir John, I feel you are being too modest. I am sure that no woman was ever depressed after being shagged by you.
The Old Testament is a pretty dodgy source either in defence of the vegetarian argument or the meat eater argument. There are certain verses which require vegetarian diet, then chapters later, you get a detailed description of which animal is to be eaten at which festival. If it was indeed written by God, he seems to have found it hard work making his mind up in those days!
Anorexia is indeed a problem which affects some pepople. However, it ranks somewhat lower in the scale of statistical danger than the many fold dangers of being overweight. Along with all the well known problems of heart and artery damage, the additional pressure on the other internal organs (liver, kiddneys etc) - let alone the joints, does not do them an awful lot of good.
On one occasion, when I timidly mentioned my veggie diet to my doctor, he laughingly reached for a large tome. "This is the latest study on the relation of diet to arthritis, rheumatism and serious illness (cancer etc). Vegetarians came out better every time".
Meat and fish can be good sources of iron and protein, but they are not the only ones.
I should also add that I am not unduly worried that one or two slaughtermen might lose their jobs. Other professions which suffered jobs losses as society changed included hangmen and press gangs.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 02:38 AM

I'm a carnivorous atheist, I'm sure that must interesting.

eric


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 05:12 AM

Sir John, I had no idea you were the creator of the immortal Molesworth!


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: JedMarum
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 11:28 AM

Vegetables are the highest form of conscious life on earth - probably in the universe. I find it absoutley appalling that heartless, brutish animals like human beings cut them for food, twist them into ropes and fibers, shape them into shelters ... and otherwise unnaturally abuse them for their own personal greed and comfort.

This folk artist eats flesh only, wears leather, buckskin or inert manmade materials - and lives in a brick house. I make every effort to be sure my conscience is clear!

;-)


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: JedMarum
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 11:39 AM

OK - just kidding, BUT I saw a very interesting recent study of plant life's consciousness. There really is very strong evidence for it, and a even for communication or "awareness of other" among plants.

The study utilized techniques developed for animal non-verbal detection (similar to lie-detector gear) to indetify and measure responses of plants to their enviroment. They meant to understand why plants responded positively to certain musical stimulii. They discovered that plants responded with significant 'emotion' to being cut or trimmed - and amazingly with almost the same response when a plant near them was cut or trimmed.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: GUEST,padgett (at home)
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 01:16 PM

I knew this thread was going to be trouble when I saw it!

So i'm not saying owt!

It think it is a truth that vegans veggies none meat eaters or

however you describe yourselves are a good bit lighter and fitter

than we who crave for ____ the unmentionable.

It would send me up the wall! and everyone out of the room!!


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Schwa
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 03:19 PM

Thanks for you comments everyone. I didn't intend for this thread to be 'trouble' Padgett, and really only wanted to find out about vegan artists (I've heard all the other stuff so many times before). Unfortunately it got hijacked!! Are we done on the vegan artist then? Come on I bet there is at least one more.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 03:19 PM

the largest, strongest, healthiest animals on the planet are vegan or vegetarian, bulls, elephants, horses, etc. they do (did) most of the work on this planet. the lazy ass carnivores, lions, tigers, etc. chase some weak, sick antelope down kill it, eat it, and have to go take a nap for three or four hours, just like human carnivores do after thanksgiving dinner! I am in the former category, large, strong and healthy, and vegan.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: shepherdlass
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 05:58 PM

Good point, Bill Kennedy.

Mandoleer - cats are obligate carnivores. Humans are not: as omnivores we can make a choice based on principle. I've fallen off the veggie wagon before because someone persuaded me it was unnatural and unhealthy to avoid meat - it took a couple of months of life as an unwilling carnivore to realize the obvious fact that any health problems were not related to this. All those healthy vegans (and there are loads out there) prove it can be a natural lifestyle.

And the sheep wouldn't stop breeding because some farmer didn't kill them or shear them for profit. They'd just live natural lives like they would have done before we evolved and screwed things up for them.

Why does this relate to folk music? It's about life and it's about principles - things that crop up in folk songs quite a bit.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Frankham
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 06:38 PM

Sapper, I believe that by in large, vegans are tolerant of others because they have for the most part been where others have. There will always be isolated individuals who are angry or have an axe to grind but they are in the minority in of vegans in general.

Using a manner of eating to fly some kind of banner to convince others is silly and useless.

As to the issue of what is natural, I advocate that very little that we do as
a human species is natural. There is certainly nothing natural about consuming fast food products that are unhealthy. As to meat eating, the jury is out on whether this is natural or not. It's a judgement call at this point. It depends on whom you choose to believe. The "facts" available are contradictory.

The vegans that I know are healthy, some rubustly so, into physical exercise and rather calm and peaceful people. They are not interested in pushing their lifestyle onto anyone else because they don't need to.

Frank


Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: sapper82 - PM
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:59 AM

Frank;
Vegans tollerent of others?? If you are on AOL try looking up the postings of "Reawales" from the time of the F&M crisis. She is a self professed vegan and also appears to be VERY heavily involved in Animal Rights terrorism.
Vegetarianism is un-natural enough but veganism????


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Frankham
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 06:50 PM

Mandoleer,

I see sheep-shearing and sheep-eating as two distinct pursuits.

No, onions are not necessary but I like 'em.

As to the issue of cats, it is currently believed that cats must have some animal or at least fish product in their diets. Most veteranarians agree on this. But it doesn't mean that humans must follow suit.

If you enjoy the way you eat and live, more power to you.
I can tell you this. Vegans tend to be healthy, live a long time, and are generally peaceful people with no axe to grind. This in my experience of course. Others may have had different experiences.

The jury is out on the actual "facts" about veganism. There are medical doctors
who have wildly different views on the subject. My view is that if it works for you do it. If not don't.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:36 AM

Why do vegetarians always think their dietry habits are of consequence to other people or relavent to folk music ?

eric


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 04:40 AM

In fact I play with musicians who are variously- straight, gay, lesbian, veggies, vegans, cross dressers and combinations, the only relavent thing is their good music and company. I count all as friends and none of them even mention their sexual or dietary preferences and certainly don't push them on other people.

eric


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:04 AM

Why do vegetarians always think their dietry habits are of consequence to other people or relavent to folk music ?

Having been veggie for 27 years now it has been my experience of discussions on diet that all the heat comes from people deriding my choice and running down veggies in general. If you ask me why I will tell you , other than that I just get on with my life.

Anyone who knows me will tell you I am no skinny waif. I eat more and more varied than most people I know and considering my lifestyle I am not doing too bad for 48.

As for meat eaters expressing concern about what will happen to the poor cows, chicken and sheep if we dont eat them well; a) most of them would not be created in the first place as they are products of artificial insemination and intensive breeding, b) half of them are, depending on their gender disposed of immediately as they are not what is commercially required on their particular type of far, c) our hills and moors were never the natural environment for these creatures but are in fact artificial landscapes produced for and by their grazing. If you are going to express concern for animal weelfare and tell me what you are doing about it yourself then fair enough, if you are going to berate me because there is more I could do, but you are doing nothing then piss off.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: GUEST,eric the red
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:17 AM

I can't berate you for your beliefs, but why do you have to rant about them in public.
The title of this thread is ' Folk artists who are vegans ' what the feck has that got do with ANYTHING ?

eric


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: padgett
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 07:33 AM

Flippin eck as I thought nowt but trouble, can we all live peaceably together now

Apart from the smokers!!


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: shepherdlass
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 07:54 AM

Amen to that, Robbie Wilson. I wasn't going to take part in this discussion but was drawn in on the defensive by negative comments and anti-veggie cliches.

What's it got to do with folk music? There are any amount of traditional songs out there celebrating hunting, fishing, whaling ... how someone of an opposing ideology justifies that in their own minds and in their repertoires is totally relevant and interesting. It's like saying what's politics got to do with folk music?


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: John P
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 10:13 AM

Why do vegetarians always think their dietry habits are of consequence to other people or relavent to folk music ?

I can't berate you for your beliefs, but why do you have to rant about them in public.
The title of this thread is ' Folk artists who are vegans ' what the feck has that got do with ANYTHING ?


Eric,
Click the back button on your browser now. Problem solved.

No one in this discussion has said anything about their dietary habits being relavent to anything other than themselves. No one has said they have any particular relavence to folk music, either. It has about as much relavence to folk music as lots of other discussions around here. People like to find similarities betweeen themselves. So what?

Why is it that every time there's a discussion about vegetarianism anywhere, some rude git comes along and tells us we're preaching at them and ranting about it in public? Get a clue, idiot. This isn't in public. This was a clearly labeled thread that you had no need to open and read. The only reason you did so was so you could rudely accuse other people of being rude. Go away and stop ranting at us about our choices.

John Peekstok


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:52 AM

Ooh John you cheeky monkey.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 04:57 AM

I have several friends who are completely vegetarian - they consume nothing but alcohol and tobacco.


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Subject: RE: Folk artists who are vegan
From: Firecat
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:26 PM

I'm a vegetarian folkie. Been a folkie for about 21 years (I'm 21!), and a vegetarian for about 18 months. I don't eat meat, fish or anything with meat or fish by products in it. Drives the parents mad. I will eat eggs and dairy products though. I chose to be vegetarian because I don't like the taste or texture of meat.


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