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BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No

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Subject: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 08:51 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 09:09 PM

Without the foxhunting, why not? Have to justify the horses somehow...


"children were starving in Europe. So I cleaned my plate..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 09:15 PM

I ate it as a kid. Haven't since then--that I know of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 09:21 PM

I made a deal with the four-legged-critter-kingdom some 35 years ago that I wouldn't chew on them if they wouldn't chew on me and it's held up just fine...

Horse is some smart animals. If you wants eat dumb animals, PM me and I'll give you a list if folks here in the Catbox...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: jimmyt
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 09:32 PM

That's not fair BObert! Doin' eat me! just throw mw back in the briar patch!


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 10:34 PM

Back in the primeval sludge of my college days, I knew kids who were buying horse meat because it was a lot cheaper than beef. Never tried it myself.

Now c'mon Bobert. Don't tell me you've never eaten horseradish What do you think they should do with all that leftover meat after they've made it?

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 10:42 PM

Rot Fleisch - sehr gut!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 10:50 PM

When I was young, ground horsemeat was 4 lbs/$1.00. Ground beef was 3 lbs/$1.00. Made sense for my mom to buy the horsemeat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 11:11 PM

In the diaries of Lewis and Clark they did eat horse if they had to but preferred venison or Buffalo or griz in a pinch. Mostly, all of them preferred dog though. On several occasions, when game wasn't there, they were reduced to digging for various roots.

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 11:19 PM

An old anthropology prof of mine told us about finding an abandoned mine in which was a treasure trove (to an anthropologist anyway): garbage from the Yukon Gold Rush days. Seems the two 'things' in greatest supply were empty bottles of Champagne (Mum's?)sp?)) and Lea and Perrins Worcestershire Sauce. They figured the L and P's was used to help get the meat of horses and mules so it was palatable. The Champagne? Beats me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: sixtieschick
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 11:58 PM

My parents used to eat horsemeat after World War II when Dad was a college student and Mom was supporting them both. She also used to shoplift food so that they could eat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 04:21 AM

Bobert - horses smart animals? Never! In former times they mainly served with the cavalry (brave but dumb)!

In the old German realms the horse was the animal of Odin=Wodan; the meat was only eaten at sacrifices. And in Germany it was banned by the church after christianization.
Therefore it is seldom eaten over here; in France or Belgium they serve it often.
Once in Brussels we sat with about 20 men at the table d'hote and were served a sweet-sour meat. I asked the waiter and said loud to a comrade: "Yes, you're right - it IS horsemeat!" 10 men laid down their knives and forks and couldn't eat further.
During and after the war in the meat shortage horses were slaughtered and eaten in mass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 04:27 AM

In the Netherlands, Belgium and France, you can buy horse - and donkey - meat from certain specialist butchers, and it is available in many of the classier restaurants.

In WWII on the Albanian mountains, chest-deep in snow in mid-winter, the Greek and Italian soldiers butchered their own horses for food.

100 or so years before that, in the siege of Missolonghi (where Lord Byron met his end) the besieged had eaten all dogs, cats ands rats as well before they turned to seaweed (which gave them dysentery).

Today, people go to some oriental restaurants in the Western world to watch a snake being killed and cooked; or they go to the Far East, where several have tasted monkey brains or dog.

So why not horse meat? If you eat meat at all, that is. If one is a vegetarian, horse meat would be just as much a no-no as any other kind. But if one does eat meat, the only thing that would stop you from enjoying horse is some kind of code imposed by "civilisation", not much different from the avoidance of pork in the Muslim/Jewish peoples. (At least the latter has its grounding in the high incidence of trichiniasis in pork in warm climates, so there is logic to that rule. It was codified into religion for very good reasons.)

So, is a horse-eater less "civilised" than a beef-eater? I contend that this is not so. Knowing and loving a horse does not reduce its food potential. As knowing and playing with a lamb when I was 8 did not stop me from helping my uncle to kill, bleed and butcher it for our Easter feast.

Farmers have never been squeamish about killing their livestock. It's us "townies", whose children think that meat is something you buy at the supermarket, that have developed this veneer of "civilised codes" to protect our sensitivities.

But civilisation is only three square meals away from our origins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: mooman
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 05:04 AM

Horsemeat is still popular here in Belgium, and in France.

I could not contemplate eating horsemeat. But it's a non-choice anyway as I'm vegetarian.

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: gnomad
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 05:12 AM

I eat meat. As far as I know I haven't had horse, though I may well have done so unknowingly, I wouldn't mind, apart from having paid for something else. Donkey salami I have eaten, it wasn't bad, but had been overspiced.

I would be concerned by excessive cruelty, or lack of hygiene, but actual choice of animal - no.

Anyone out there eaten dog? Stories about ethnic restaurants serving it are common here (UK) but I don't think I've ever been to the "right" ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 05:20 AM

"They figured the L and P's was used to help get the meat of horses and mules so it was palatable. The Champagne? Beats me."

Champagne? Marinade, of course!


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Crystal
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 05:46 AM

I think I'd prefer for dogmeat to be licenced for human consumption! The reason being horses are nice, dogs are evil, smelly, disese ridden, dangerous, disgusting.... the list is endless!


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:14 AM

Sorry - "nice" is no defense. Pigs are nice too; so are cows and sheep. Dogs are also intelligent enough to be used as guides for the blind, as resuers etc. Clearly intelligence is not a defense either.

Let's test the envelope (I am playing devil's advocate here): How about dolphins?

My argument is that many of these "codes" (yes to this animal, no to that) are self-imposed and based on emotional, rather than logical, reasons. Example:

Some years back, I had taken the whole department from Belgium on a "gastronomic weekend" in the Ardennes. 8-course meals no less... The menu was in Flemish, and I spoke some Dutch (similar) - my wife did not yet. At some point she asked "What is next?" and I checked the menu to see that it said "faon". Now, I didn't know the word yet, but I guessed correctly that it was deer, from the similar pronounciation ("faon"=fawn). Next comes the interesting bit:

My wife had eaten deer in the past, without it being an issue. But my response to her question was "It's Bambi next, love".

That was it - she did not touch the next course. The association with a Disney character was enough to put her off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Crystal
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:35 AM

Some animal meat is not edible!
Polar Bear is so full of nasties that eating it (even when well cooked) is far too dangerous!

The emotional response probably has a lot to do with my reactions, however I'd probably eat horse if I was offered.
What does it taste like?


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Layah
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:42 AM

I'm vegetarian, so it isn't a question personally affecting me, but I don't see why people are willing to eat one type of animal (something humans happened to domesticate a long long time ago) but not others. And even if you use the intelligence argument, how are you going to determine an animal's intelligence, and where do you draw the line? At some point you're going to have an animal only slightly more intelligent than another and be willing to eat one but not the other. Before I became vegetarian I got along eating meat by pretending it hadn't been something else first. I knew that if I had to kill my own I would become a vegetarian because I wouldn't be able to kill an animal (except for my own survival. If it's me or them, I choose me). I think people are less willing to eat dogs or horses because they know them personally, so it's harder to pretend it wasn't previously some cute and fluffy animal. Well, that and tradition, dogs and horses had other uses for society so they didn't eat them, and since they never ate them we won't eat them now either! A couple months before I could vote California had an election where they passed a law banning horsemeat I believe (they might come and steal my pet horse and butcher it for meat!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Mooh
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 10:44 AM

Nothing much beats bear, as long as it's not the dump breed. Bunny is good, as is venison and moose. It wouldn't bother me to eat horsemeat regularly, but there are lots of other choices, and lots of cattle farmers in my corner of the world to support. I prefer fish and pork.

Question: what's horsemeat like slow roasted in the bbq? I do pork that way and it's fantastic.

Man, this is making me hungry!

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: jacqui.c
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:09 AM

I've had horse once in France - wasn't over impressed.

I must agree that bunnies and bambi taste really good. I like duck as well but had to put up with Kendall calling me a duck murderer and quacking while I was eating it for lunch yesterday.

I can't see the difference between one animal and another, so long as the taste is good. I will say that I'm not sure that I could kill an animal to eat it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:16 AM

Horse meat is very good. It tastes quite a bit like Bald Eagle! ;-)

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:18 AM

If God hadn't wanted us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them of meat!!

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Pied Piper
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:25 AM

Don't knock Horse meat, it's dobin.

PP


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 12:16 PM

I don't think that polar bear meat in itself is undesirable- it's the liver that is toxic to humans, and that is because of its diet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 12:16 PM

I've eaten a horse steak and it was OK – no better or worse than a beef steak. I've also had a meal made from minced horse and it was much nicer than its beef equivalent. Just as you can get good and not so good cuts of beef, the same must apply to horse.

I have not eaten enough of it to make a fully valued judgement but I would certainly eat it again, given the opportunity.

Doug C


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Pied Piper
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 12:29 PM

Used a lot in Canterknees cookery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 01:57 PM

There were attempts to get horse meat licensed for human consumpution in the US on various occasions. Senator Everett Dirkson made a bit of history by singing his opposition to a bill..

"The old grey mare, she ain't what she used to be-
Out of the stable now, onto the table now.
The old grey mare, she ain't what she used to be-
A blue-plate platter soon."

As of now, this article says horsemeat is legal in every state except California. I think that most of the reason it is not eaten more, is that horses are useful for more things than food, and are harder to raise under controlled conditions than pigs or cows, neither of which can race, pull plows or look charming with Tex Ritter on their backs....


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: PoppaGator
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 05:26 PM

I would imagine that the meat of a full-grown horse, kept alive for many years of useful labor and/or racing before the slaughter, would be tough as nails.

The animals customarily raised for meat-eating generally get slaughtered as soon as they attain maximum weight, because they are not otherwise very useful. (Cattle are an exception, but I believe that dairy cows are a separate category from cattle raised for meat.) And then there is the touchier subject of animals slaughtered when very young, for their extra-tender and extra-tasty meat (calves for veal, piglets for cochon-de-lait).

In any event, animals domesticated for non-gustatory reasons, who are kept alive as long as possible for any number of uses (which may or may not require "intelligence") are relatively undesirable for eating not primarily because of our anthropomorphic sympathies, but mostly because they've become so very difficult to chew and swallow.

I've never tasted horsemeat ~ at least not knowingly ~ and was taught at an early age that it was fit only for dog food (and presumably other animal feed). I have heard that horse is commonly served in other cultures, at least when hunger has limited other sources of protein. So I know it's not poisonous or anything, just "unacceptable" out of custom and habit.

Is there a nation anywhere on earth where young and healthy horses have been slaughtered for meat? I would think that live horses have been too valuable throughout most human history, and that horsemeat has almost always been the meat of long-lived tough old critters (except in cases of accidental dealth, of course).


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Layah
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:16 PM

Whether or not horsemeat would taste good is an entirely different matter from weather it should be allowed. Anybody can choose not to eat horse if they don't want to, but I don't understand why they go around telling other people they shouldn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: GUEST,Bat Goddess
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 06:30 PM

Long years ago I knew a family who wouldn't let their kids have a pet they weren't willing to eat. And the kids eventually had a pony. I don't know what they had for pets before that -- ducks? chickens? piglets? puppy?

Personally, I think that was a particularly warped philosophy, even for a farm family.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 07:32 PM

Poppagator, the answer to your last question is Belgium, Netherlands and France - see earlier postings on the same thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 08:59 PM

El Greko said, in part:

the avoidance of pork in the Muslim/Jewish peoples. (At least the latter has its grounding in the high incidence of trichiniasis in pork in warm climates,

Two-part answer:

1. The word is "trichinosis".

2. Be very careful to whom you tell that theory. Sounds reasonable, but it could get you in trouble.
    I mentioned it in passing to an Orthodox Jewish friend once, and got an angry: NO! We don't eat pork because God said not to eat pork! That's just a story made up by Reformed who want to do whatever they want to instead of serving God!"

   And, while I personally find the trichinosis theory fairly credible, the fact is that we DO NOT KNOW what the origin of the prohibition was, if not literally and exclusively its prohibition by God, as my friend very angrily insisted.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: JennyO
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 09:13 PM

Last time I visited France, they had "Cheval" done up in prepacks in the meat section of the supermarkets, along with the steaks and roasts and garlic snails. I didn't try it, but it didn't look too bad. I might ask my brother, who lives there, what it's like.

There doesn't seem to be any point in taking a high moral ground about eating one type of animal over another. The differences are really just cultural. I feel a connection with our animal relatives, but that does not make me feel that I have to be a vegetarian. Eating and being eaten is all part of the cycle of life.

Here in Oz, you can get Roo at some butchers. It can be lovely if it is prepared right - mmm, thinly sliced roo steaks in a sweet plum sauce!

Having said all that, I couldn't eat an individual animal with which I have formed a relationship, so Onyx, my cat is quite safe!

Douglas Adams suggested a solution to all this in "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe", with this character:


Dish of the Day

The quadruped Dish of the Day is an Ameglian Major Cow, a species of dairy animal specifically bred to not only have the desire to be eaten, but to be capable of saying so quite clearly and distinctly. This quite vocal and emphatic desire to be consumed by Milliways' restaurant customers greatly distresses Arthur Dent, and the Dish is nonplussed by a queasy Arthur's subsequent order of a green salad, since he knows "many vegetables that are very clear" on the point of not wanting to be eaten — which was part of the reason for the creation of the Ameglian Major Cow in the first place. After Zaphod orders four rare steaks, the Dish announces that he is nipping off to the kitchen to shoot himself, comforting Arthur only very slightly by stating that "I'll be very humane."


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Layah
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 09:18 PM

I think the breeding of Ameglian Major Cows would convince me to to give up vegetarianism. Thats the only situation I can think of a difference between eating one animal or another.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: frogprince
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 09:38 PM

Another memory from just about 50 years ago; horse burger turned up in the local market (southern Minnesota) and we tried some. As near as I can remember, we found it just a little less flavorful than "hamburger", but hard to distinguish with burger "fixings". Never came across any in a meat counter again. I would have to be at the point of starvation to eat dog, and really weak from starvation to eat cat, but I know it's nothing but personal bias.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Gypsy
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 10:15 PM

I wouldn't be wild about eating a predator, simply because i think the meat would be rank. Horsemeat i would put in the classification of yes, it IS edible, but i don't think it would be economically feasible. We have farmed for roughly forever, and there are some animals it just isn't worth the time to butcher. Top of the list: any dairy type goat, dairy steers (unless you keep them a few years)and i suspect i would put horse on the list. why? Because they just don't put on the meat, like animals bred for meat do. Might be that there are meat type horses out there......just not familiar with them. But if i am putting time, effort, and money into something for meat, i want a good return of grain versus the poundage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Bert
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 10:17 PM

Dunno, I've never tried it. Whale meat yes but gee gee's no. Don't see why not though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 10:21 PM

I'm not aware that I've eaten horse, but I may have. I have knowingly eaten buffalo, bison, whitetail deer, moose, reindeer, rabbit, squirrel, chicken, cow, pig, various fishes, octopus, shrimp and other crustacians, whale (long ago!), kangaroo, elk (I have elk steaks in the freezer right now), turtle, alligator, and rattlesnake. I know people who have eaten bear, musk ox, seal, maggots, rat, beaver, dog, and moutain lion.

Given the necessity, I'd eat horsemeat. Given the necessity, I'd eat long pig.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: number 6
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 10:47 PM

mangez la cheval ...... jamais !!!

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:38 PM

Uncle DaveO, we are both right concering the name (trichiniasis and trichinosis are synonyms, and so is trichinellosis). I am only using the form that appears to be most prevalent around here - it certainly is so "back home" where I first learned it. Reference Trichiniasis fact sheet.

As for my suggested backround to pork avoidance by muslims/jews being only a theory and not proven - of course you are correct. However, I would not look to the Islamic/Jewish religions for a confirmation of this, just as I would not look to my Orthodox Christian parish priest for a confirmation of the Darwinian theory of evolution. Sure, religion "purists" are bound to get upset by such theories, one would expect them to, as they go counter to deep-seated beliefs.

Rapaire, I understand and applaud your logical approach to eating long pig, but please remind me not to go flying over remote areas with you...;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:42 PM

if you are convinced that God told you not to, then you are not likely to look for other reasons. If I understand it correctly, God is not required to explain himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 12:14 AM

Bear, muckrat and beaver here, Rapaire. Of course, beaver goes without saying. I AM Canadian. LOL. Also raccoon and earthworms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Teresa
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 12:42 AM

Yeah, the juvenile joke: "Donner, party of eight, your table is ready." :>

If I was hungry enough, I'd eat anything.
While I live in civilization, I eat the food i'm mostly used to eating, with occasional adventures. I love octopus, with a certain amount of guilt, because they are very intelligent. I am uncomfortable eating things that are smart or carnivorous, except maybe swordfish, shark, and octopus.

i'd try horse. What the heck. As long as it hadn't been my best friend. Well, maybe if I was starving, but that's a whole different ball game.

Teresa


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 02:28 AM

Indeed, Bill. Sorry, I never meant to imply that God needs to explain himself - just suggesting a theory, in the knowledge that some religions would disapprove. More likely, God may one day require me to explain myself. If only this theory was the worst of my sins, I'd be happy :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:21 AM

Speaking of cat, I'm just re-reading Mark Twain's Innocents Abroad, and when he tells about visiting Morrocco, he says that (at that time) "Spain is the only nation the Moors fear" for various reasons, including of course propinquity.

Then he goes on:

"Spain chastised the Moors five or six years ago, about a disputed piece of property opposite Gibraltar, and captured the city of Tetuan. She (Spain) compromised on an aumentation of her territory, twenty million dollars' indemnity in money, and peace. And then she gave up the city.    But she never gave it up until the Spanish soldiers had eaten up all the cats. They would not compromise as long as the cats held out. Spaniards are very fond of cats. On the contrary, the Moors reverence cats as something sacred. So the Spaniards touched them on a tender point at that time. Their unfeline conduct in eating up all the Tetuan cats aroused a hatred for them in the breasts of the Moors, to which even driving them (the Moors) out of Spain was tame and passionless. Moors and Spaniards are foes forever now.

And I remember reading some Hemingway book in which a Spanish student in Paris confided that he had an excellent recipe for Arroz con Gato (Cat with Rice).

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:36 AM

If you're hungry enough you'll eat anything. Hugh Glass was left for dead (by Jim Bridger and others) after being mauled by a grizzly -- some of the things he ate during a TRULY epic survival saga included rotten carcasses and maggots. Check out his story. (I think that it would make a REALLY GREAT reality TV show, myself.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:06 PM

It was done a while ago, and rather well too, in a film called MAN IN THE WILDERNESS. Not exactly as it was historically---but mostly it was done well. John Huston was old Andrew Henry---strangely hauling a full-rigged boat through the Rocky Mountains !!?? I do not think that ever happened unless I just never came upon that tale. I don't think Bridger was named in the film either. And I don't think the trapper's name in the film was Hugh Glass---but it's been a long while since I saw it. But the sad adventure that Glass had with the bear--and his recovery--was depicted well I thought.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Horse meat; horsemeat as food: Yes or No
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 09:52 PM

Richard Harris played the role of the scout mauled by the grizzly and left for dead. His name in the 1971 film was Zack Bass.


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