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BS: Censorship on Mudcat

George Papavgeris 14 Apr 05 - 04:23 AM
George Papavgeris 14 Apr 05 - 04:17 AM
George Papavgeris 14 Apr 05 - 04:15 AM
The Shambles 13 Apr 05 - 07:18 PM
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George Papavgeris 13 Apr 05 - 06:01 AM
Wolfgang 13 Apr 05 - 05:18 AM
The Shambles 13 Apr 05 - 04:31 AM
GUEST,Jon 13 Apr 05 - 03:39 AM
The Shambles 13 Apr 05 - 03:12 AM
The Shambles 13 Apr 05 - 02:07 AM
George Papavgeris 12 Apr 05 - 02:23 PM
John MacKenzie 12 Apr 05 - 01:27 PM
jeffp 12 Apr 05 - 01:10 PM
The Shambles 12 Apr 05 - 01:08 PM
katlaughing 12 Apr 05 - 10:56 AM
George Papavgeris 12 Apr 05 - 09:18 AM
GUEST,Jon 12 Apr 05 - 06:55 AM
Wolfgang 12 Apr 05 - 06:47 AM
The Shambles 12 Apr 05 - 06:29 AM
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Peace 12 Apr 05 - 03:30 AM
The Shambles 12 Apr 05 - 03:21 AM
George Papavgeris 12 Apr 05 - 02:42 AM
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The Shambles 12 Apr 05 - 02:24 AM
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GUEST,El Greko sans biscuit 11 Apr 05 - 05:47 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 04:23 AM

Oh, the barmaid thing - you're right not to trust me, Roger, I wouldn't know when to stop.

Drinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 04:17 AM

...smiling all the while.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 04:15 AM

Moral high ground? Not me, Roger, I'm happy in the basement *grin*. And what better proof of this, than the fact that I rise to your repeated taunts and personal judgements (after all, you did just say that my "attempts to occupy the moral high ground..." are "preposterous". Whether correct or not, that looked like a judgement to me). But I forgot - you do not like personal judgements in public, so I probably misinterpreted that (strike two).

I did (briefly) consider staying away from the thread, and it almost made it to the bottom of the list a couple of times, but regular as clockwork you refresh it anyway, so what the heck...

The thing is, Roger, I would be the first to admit that my April Fool's joke was not such a great one; a little smile at best was all it was aiming at, no guffaws, no belly-laughs. I snared a couple of people, we exchanged PMs as virtual handshakes, and we moved on. But your insistence on taking umbrage and repeatedly trying to show what a silly joke it was, only serves to give it merit that it does not deserve.

If moral high ground is your aim (and I assume it is, as you brought it up in such a "hurt" fashion), I venture to suggest that digging does not provide the best route to it.

But as long as you dig, I'll bring my spade along.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 07:18 PM

Not sure if I would trust El Greko with any barmaids.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 07:15 PM

When I look very closely at the two quotes by El Greko I fail to see any contradiction.

Just keep them jokes coming Wolfgang - that was your best yet. What a hoot!


Dilemma: Should I listen to this album by one of my favourite songwriters, or should I spend time delving into ever more detail to provide additional clarification/information for those who have not yet understood my postings?

Not too much of delemma even for this poster - who is not a renown multi-tasker. I am sure that most of us can quite easily manage to do both.

And at the same time to be greatly amused at those who provide such poor excuses and pretend not to understand my postings - some of those who appear to have posted almost as much as I have - mainly in order to make personal judgements or simply to point out that they do not understand my postings.

Some indeed - who even take enormous trouble to originate an entire thread on the subject and to open a bogus new membership just to do this. Perhaps it would have been better for them in the first place to concentrate all their energies on the taxing task of listening to CDs rather than dividing their attention? Especially now seeing their sudden lack of interest in the subject?

I don't think there can be many posters who do not perfectly understand El Greko's postings (under all guises). Even if they may struggle with the possible motives for all of them and perhaps be a little amazed at his attempts to still try to occupy the moral high-ground.....And at the willingness of others to support him in this determined attempt - no matter how preposterous this attempt makes them look.

What a laugh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 06:01 AM

Thanks Wolfgang. Roger, I'm done on the subject, my responses are there for all to see. I stand by both these quotes you mention. If you find them contradictory, choose one to believe - or neither.

It matters little, because as I said twice already, life has more to offer. Example: I have just got hold of the new Dan McKinnon album. Dilemma: Should I listen to this album by one of my favourite songwriters, or should I spend time delving into ever more detail to provide additional clarification/information for those who have not yet understood my postings?

Easy choice - headphones on, and catch you later.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 05:18 AM

When I look very closely at the two quotes by El Greko I fail to see any contradiction.

Shambles, I don't know whether you smile or laugh during the day, but in these threads here you come over as unsmiling and as someone who can't take a joke about your pet theme.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 04:31 AM

Thank you Jon.

Barmaids are in fact - quite safe in my hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 03:39 AM

Jon - I feel that you owe me an apology?

Yes Shambles, while I do believe you are wrong on many things in this censorship buisiness, there is no doubt that I was wrong in my last post and my accusation in this instance has proved unfounded and therefore wrong.

For that, yes I do owe you an apology and offer one. I am also prepeared to apologise for calling you someone who bullies barmaids as despite of your approach, I don't seriously belive you would do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 03:12 AM

Come on, Roger, smile, your face won't crack.... I replied earlier today. If you are still unsatisfied with the reply, I cannot help it - you'll have to remain so.

Whatever makes you think that I am not currently wearing a very big smile?
As for being 'unsatisfied with the reply' - as there was no reply to my question - there is nothing for any of us to be unsatisfied with.........Or is there?

Can I remind you of some of your earlier posted personal judgements of me - whilst jumping on the bandwagon and also claiming to speak for others?

Typical Shambolic evasiveness:

That is what annoys people more than anything, Roger - your eel-like slithering out of the way of some questions and answering instead with another (irrelevant to the topic) question.


Perhaps if I re-phrase my question - in the light of the following?

Anything I ever wrote as El Greko, that's me - George Papavgeris, Olga's son - and I stand by it, and I can be taken to task for it.

For what it is worth - which of these two rather conflicting views both posted by El Grecko - is George - Olga's son - NOT going to stand by?

1 Absolute freedom is open to absolute abuse and would destroy this forum. Normal rules of civility should apply, and where they do not, the clones should be allowed to trim offending or time-wasting (or disk space-wasting) texts.

2 I am in favour of minimal censorship, next to zero: The only case I would say it is needed is when libellour remarks have been made, and that is only to protect Max as the owner of the site.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 05 - 02:07 AM

Jon - I feel that you owe me an apology?

I belieive shables (unusual) ommision of the names of posters is soley due to the fact that shambles is quite aware that his argument would become nonsensical had they been included but by ommision, he had another oppertunity to shit stir.

For what you choose to believe - and inform others - is not supported by the facts.

If you had taken the trouble to look back a little in this thread - to my post Date: 23 Mar 05 - 01:01 PM - you would have seen that I had already posted the quotes and the names of the posters I referred to.....

A fact that makes all of your post 'nonsensical'. I won't go on to make any judgement of your possible motives for posing this factually incorrect nonsense.......I will leave others to judge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 02:23 PM

Come on, Roger, smile, your face won't crack.... I replied earlier today. If you are still unsatisfied with the reply, I cannot help it - you'll have to remain so.

Life's too short. Folk clubs to go to, choruses to sing, people to meet and....

...smile.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 01:27 PM

Pish tush George, such things as centennial postings are far beneath my dignity, and are the stuff of the junior school playground!
Giok ¦¬]

BTW Glad you liked it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: jeffp
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 01:10 PM

Perhaps you could treat them the same way we do yours.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 01:08 PM

If you want names..........

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
From: El Greko - PM
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 08:36 AM

I happen to have met all three "bullies", GUEST, and my opinion is radically different to yours; I found them to be fair, erudite, logical and open-minded. But hey, the world is big enough for us to have different opinions, so no problem.

I am in favour of minimal censorship, next to zero: The only case I would say it is needed is when libellour remarks have been made, and that is only to protect Max as the owner of the site. As for the rest, sexist or racist or hate-mongering and name-calling posts don't worry me; I am old enough to ignore them and form an opinion about the posters - just like in the 3-D world, really. There is no better antidote than to ignore such rubbish and those that peddle it.


I was rather hoping for some answers from El Greko about which of El Greko's conflicting posts we should take notice of. Perhaps neither?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 10:56 AM

I thought he posted it as a self-explanation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 09:18 AM

Thank you Jon, you are right. Also, at the "unmasking", Xander retracted fully all comments he had written until then. Anything I ever wrote as El Greko, that's me - George Papavgeris, Olga's son - and I stand by it, and I can be taken to task for it. Anything Xander wrote was a fake, a joke, a hoax, bunkum, and I will not defend it.

I like the "testiculate" expression, Roger; I will use it in the future, if I may. As to the reason you mentioned it, I know you are averse to people making personal judgements in public, so I cannot imagine that it was meant offensively.

Come on, smile. Just a little... Please?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 06:55 AM

It is quite noticible that for once the shabmles has opted not to quote with the names. Let us try it in shambles normal style (cut down a little by me to shorten my posting while retaining what shambles quoted):

Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Xander
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 12:55 PM

there are some (very few) cases where deletion could be allowed, I think, namely when a potentially libellous comment has been made; or when personal information about someone has been disclosed, that could be open to abuse; that would be to keep Max safe from prosecution, as the owner of the forum.

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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: El Greko
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 01:01 PM

Xander, you talk rubbish - as Martin Gibbons might have said in more flowery language :-)

Absolute freedom is open to absolute abuse and would destroy this forum. Normal rules of civility should apply, and where they do not, the clones should be allowed to trim offending or time-wasting (or disk space-wasting) texts.

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Whether we agree with El Greko's actions or not, it was quite obvious to any that the character Xander he created was a different "personality" to "El Greko" and as such obviously took a different stance for the "joke".

I belieive shables (unusual) ommision of the names of posters is soley due to the fact that shambles is quite aware that his argument would become nonsensical had they been included but by ommision, he had another oppertunity to shit stir.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 06:47 AM

Eleventh commandment: Thou shalt not laugh

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 06:29 AM

El Greco - Xander - George or whatever other handle you may choose to post under and for whatever reason you choose to do it.

Which of these two rather conflicting views is it to be?

Absolute freedom is open to absolute abuse and would destroy this forum. Normal rules of civility should apply, and where they do not, the clones should be allowed to trim offending or time-wasting (or disk space-wasting) texts.

I am in favour of minimal censorship, next to zero: The only case I would say it is needed is when libellour remarks have been made, and that is only to protect Max as the owner of the site.

Or is really wise for us - not to take any notice of any views expressed by any of your many guises?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 05:56 AM

Life's too short to spend trying to please all the people all of the time.

Is that just as long as you are seen to be trying hard enough to please the ones who you think may prove to matter to you?

I am reminded of the phrase TO TESTICULATE.

This phrase is used to describe the act of gesticulating wildly in order to be noticed by those who are thought to matter - whilst actually talking complete 'bollocks'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 05:42 AM

hat was a very underhanded way of claiming the 600th post, Giok ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 05:41 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 05:38 AM

Who takes any notice of George? :~)
G..


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 05:33 AM

Thanks Brucie. Indeed, I gave plenty of warning (three times) well before.

Yes, Roger - that's me. No pretence. I occasionally crack jokes; especially April Fool ones. They are not malicious (at least I don't think they are, and I don't mean them to be). End of story. There isn't any more. No alterior motive. One can either laugh with me, laugh at me when the joke falls flat, ignore me, get annoyed, take offence where none was meant, misinterpret, quote out of context, whatever. People can make their own choice according to their conscience. Mine is clear.

Life's too short to spend trying to please all the people all of the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Peace
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 03:30 AM

"Perhaps this latter excuse from you would have a little more justification - if the jest in question - had not started on the 30th March?"

El G announced it at least ten days prior to starting the joke if memory serves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 03:21 AM

Funny, Roger. Read my 06:18PM post from the "Why do you offend so easily" thread.

Is that the one where you claim that you may offend people - 'by being yourself'?

And where you go on to say that it was their fault - if anyone was offended by you taking-up another membership and a new name - in order to not 'be yourself' for an April fools' jest?

Perhaps this latter excuse from you would have a little more justification - if the jest in question - had not started on the 30th March? Perhaps anyone who was offended - could be excused for being offended by a April fools' jest - started some two days too soon?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 02:42 AM

Morning, all


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Peace
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 02:36 AM

As long as everybody's gettin' along . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Apr 05 - 02:24 AM

What's the matter with this thread?

It was you who started it...........


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 12:31 PM

Funny, Roger. Read my 06:18PM post from the "Why do you offend so easily" thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 12:23 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: El Greko - PM
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 01:01 PM

Xander, you talk rubbish - as Martin Gibbons might have said in more flowery language :-)

Absolute freedom is open to absolute abuse and would destroy this forum. Normal rules of civility should apply, and where they do not, the clones should be allowed to trim offending or time-wasting (or disk space-wasting) texts.


Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
From: El Greko - PM
Date: 30 Mar 05 - 08:36 AM

I happen to have met all three "bullies", GUEST, and my opinion is radically different to yours; I found them to be fair, erudite, logical and open-minded. But hey, the world is big enough for us to have different opinions, so no problem.

I am in favour of minimal censorship, next to zero: The only case I would say it is needed is when libellour remarks have been made, and that is only to protect Max as the owner of the site. As for the rest, sexist or racist or hate-mongering and name-calling posts don't worry me; I am old enough to ignore them and form an opinion about the posters - just like in the 3-D world, really. There is no better antidote than to ignore such rubbish and those that peddle it.


Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: El Greko - PM
Date: 23 Mar 05 - 01:08 PM

...except we are not children, Roger. The argument again does not stack up.



'Oh the games people play now'


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,El Greko sans biscuit
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 05:47 AM

Sorry - the last two GUEST posts were mine.
Just a joke, Martin, no offence meant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 05:45 AM

Then others wouldn't have to clean up after you


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 05:43 AM

Paper assholes are handy, Martin - they are self-cleaning. You should get one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Apr 05 - 02:12 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Pubic information service
From: catspaw49 - PM
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 03:11 AM

Friggin' amazing.................I'll grant that I'm around less than I used to be and things do change over time, but when the hell did the chat become some kindof privileged communication? Is there about to be another altercation.....this one between the chatters and non-chatters? How in the name of gawd do we take such simple and fun stuff and jam-pack it with rules?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Peace
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 05:55 PM

Compared to this, the 'cat ain't even a minor infringement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 05:45 PM

FUCKASHITPISS

We now resume this stupid nonsense.

Thanks. You all wouldn't offend so easily if you had something other than a paper asshole.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Apr 05 - 07:50 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: kendall - PM
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 07:41 AM

Without some control this site could degenerate into just another cesspool of personal attacks, and end up inhabited by nasty people who drive good folks away.
If a handful of assholes lack the wit to temper what they say here, they should be censored.


Any objective poster reading this thread from the start - will find a perfect example of the few 'who lack the wit to temper what they say here" This is with the current control that many still blindly support.

They will see the same names posting abusive personal attacks and being encouraged to make these judgements by the example that is set by our trusted volunteers.

Are good folks being driven-off by these 'nasty folks' and are they too worried about themseves being subject to these 'semi-official' personal attacks - to feel free to express a view that may also bring this attention upon them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Margo
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 12:32 AM

OHHH, shut up.

BG, Margo


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 08:29 AM

Looks a bit off colour [note spelling;~)] to me Spaw.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 07:26 AM

I see he has a new 2 door hardtop Huff. The color is kind of distasteful though.......What would you call that? Babyshit Orange or Shitmuckledung?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 07:13 AM

His huff arrived; and he went off in it!
G ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Apr 05 - 06:48 AM

Someone posted recently to the effect that we - (meaning Mudcatters) - were not children.....This was just before they childishly took considerable trouble to create an alternate menbership and personality in order to start a thread - by expressing entirely bogus views........

Mudcat censorship – a proposal

At least those who are considered to be so anti-social and get their posts deleted by anonymous but 'trusted' volunteers - (for making 'obnoxious' posts to claim the 100th posts) - don't start an entire bogus thread - simply to entertain themselves with the genuine reactions posted to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 08:45 AM

The Shambles is correct as usual.Nasty posts have stopped a lot of people I know from posting here anymore. I know they are reading, because we talk about various threads in the pub on a weekend. But they sure ain't going to post for fear of getting their heads bitten off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 07:34 AM

Excellent Noreen - end of subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Noreen
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 07:31 AM

Correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 06:54 AM

Subject: RE: BS: This Thread Is Closed!
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 07:17 PM

Sorry, Peter. We routinely close or delete all threads that look like they're going to be an attack on an individual. Yours got deleted before it turned into another slugfest. There was no way it was going to turn out to be a constructive discussion.
As for any thread about gargoyle or Martin Gibson, we don't even think twice. We delete it.
Learn to live with it.
-Joe Offer-


Learn to live with it. The question is what exactly is IT – that all Mudcatters are being told that have to now 'learn to live with' and who comprises of the 'we' that is now telling them this?

Is the same 'we' that is being spoken for here?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 06:12 PM

And Martin, it's just fine for you to say "fuckashitpiss" occasionally - as long as it isn't part of a personal attack. If saying "fuckashitpiss" makes you feel good, it's O.K.

We want you to feel good.

-Sister Mary Joe Offer, R.S.V.P.-


Whether stated in all seriousness or in jest - it is NOT my view – is it speaking for yours? Or perhaps the views of the rest of Mudcatters don't matter now? Perhaps we will just have to learn to live with this too - for there does not now appear to be any choice?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 04:20 AM

I thought you were still at school FT


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 07 Apr 05 - 03:44 AM

Sorry about the apostrophe Joe, I done gone left school when I was nine years old and Didn't get no education.


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