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BS: Censorship on Mudcat

Paco Rabanne 26 Apr 05 - 09:20 AM
jeffp 26 Apr 05 - 09:16 AM
Paco Rabanne 26 Apr 05 - 09:00 AM
jeffp 26 Apr 05 - 08:57 AM
The Shambles 26 Apr 05 - 08:06 AM
catspaw49 26 Apr 05 - 06:44 AM
The Shambles 26 Apr 05 - 06:25 AM
The Shambles 26 Apr 05 - 05:54 AM
catspaw49 26 Apr 05 - 05:38 AM
George Papavgeris 26 Apr 05 - 03:27 AM
The Shambles 26 Apr 05 - 03:18 AM
George Papavgeris 26 Apr 05 - 03:11 AM
chris nightbird childs 26 Apr 05 - 02:57 AM
The Shambles 26 Apr 05 - 02:24 AM
catspaw49 26 Apr 05 - 01:33 AM
GUEST,jOhn 25 Apr 05 - 07:58 PM
George Papavgeris 25 Apr 05 - 07:32 PM
GUEST,georgiansilver 25 Apr 05 - 05:03 PM
GUEST,georgiansilver 25 Apr 05 - 04:24 PM
GUEST 25 Apr 05 - 03:53 PM
jeffp 25 Apr 05 - 03:50 PM
The Shambles 25 Apr 05 - 03:22 PM
jeffp 25 Apr 05 - 02:58 PM
Bill D 25 Apr 05 - 02:52 PM
The Shambles 25 Apr 05 - 02:45 PM
Bill D 25 Apr 05 - 02:39 PM
The Shambles 25 Apr 05 - 02:38 PM
GUEST 25 Apr 05 - 02:25 PM
GUEST,jeffp 25 Apr 05 - 02:25 PM
The Shambles 25 Apr 05 - 02:18 PM
George Papavgeris 25 Apr 05 - 01:18 PM
Donuel 25 Apr 05 - 12:53 PM
The Shambles 25 Apr 05 - 12:46 PM
Donuel 25 Apr 05 - 10:45 AM
GUEST,Veteran Member, Again 25 Apr 05 - 09:31 AM
George Papavgeris 25 Apr 05 - 05:59 AM
George Papavgeris 25 Apr 05 - 05:55 AM
GUEST,Jon 25 Apr 05 - 05:17 AM
GUEST 25 Apr 05 - 05:13 AM
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The Shambles 25 Apr 05 - 04:38 AM
The Shambles 25 Apr 05 - 04:30 AM
Joe Offer 25 Apr 05 - 04:22 AM
GUEST,Jon 25 Apr 05 - 04:14 AM
George Papavgeris 25 Apr 05 - 03:54 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 09:20 AM

DID IT WORK?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 09:16 AM

It's simple. Use the H3 tag. Just like a B (bold) or I (italic) tag. Place it between the less than and greater than brackets before your text and then put a /H3 between the less than and greater than brackets after your text.

Clear as mud?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 09:00 AM

I wish I knew how to do big black writing like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:57 AM

Have you discussed your concerns with Max?
If so, what was his response?
If not, why not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 08:06 AM

And remember Catspaw's always profound advice (to others) - QUIT FUCKIN' WITH THE AARDVARK!

*Smiles*


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 06:44 AM

Yeah, let's put the onus of all this back on me or Mick or Jeri or El G or anyone else.............same old bullshit appears everytime you're ask.....but once again:

Have you discussed your concerns with Max?
If so, what was his response?
If not, why not?


Spaw---still waiting


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 06:25 AM

I have to agree with Joe – when he agrees with me – in the following http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=1448049

Well, I have to agree with Shambles that Max seems to convey the idea that this is "our" forum. However, it also seems quite clear that very few of us want "our" forum to be taken over by those who would wish to make it a place of combat and chaos.

Sadly not all (of those who's views would appear to matter most) are in agreement with the idea that it is "our" forum…

From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 31 Mar 05 - 09:02 AM

Those of you who continue to debate are very silly. This person continues to try and set the predicate that this is "our" forum. It is not now, never has been and never will be. Max owns it, maintains it and decides what it will or will not be. This person continues to draw you into the discourse based on incorrect assertions, has made it clear that he will not accept any answer other than what he wants to hear. It seems to me that those that encourage him are no less guilty than he is.


Perhaps we can now be encouraged move back to reading - responding or ignoring what poster's say - rather than judging each other's worth or their right to post? Max encouraged the showing of this mutual respect and it is what has made The Mudcat Forum special.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 05:54 AM

Funny how we sometimes say so much to say so little.

Yes but I am not really too sure how funny it is. For some of even invent an entire bogus membership to start an entire thread to say very little that they honestly feel………

Mudcat Censorship – a proposal


But have you not heard? It's official – I am NOT the problem any more (if I ever was).

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 02 Apr 05 - 08:31 PM

The alteration it needs must occur in the minds of the folks that respond to this stuff. Roger is entitled to his opinion, and in virtually every posters response they have indicated they are tired of his restating the same thing over and over; they are tired of him twisting quotes to serve himself; they go on and on about how he goes on and on. Do you folks learn anything? Who is worse, Roger or you? The question to Roger about who is "we" has been asked over and over.

Roger isn't the problem anymore. Those that feed him are.

Mick


And remember Catspaw's always profound advice (to others) - QUIT FUCKIN' WITH THE AARDVARK!

Mick and Jeri (as far as we know) are setting a better example or at least if they are posting - they are not posting under their real names.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 05:38 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 03:18 AM

Is it a fact that the posting of Birthday Threads has been inhibited?

What then is the reason?

You may think that my concern over this inhibition and all the other aspects of the imposed censorship and how all of this is now shaping our forum - is not very important and OTT. If so - perhaps it would appear to follow that all the original imposed censorship and tinkering (set up to deal with a small problem) is also of equally small importance?

For what is the very worst thing that could happen without our volunteers to protect us - that we may read on a public disscussion forum - something that may not be to our taste? Is that really worth all the division that all this current imposed cemsorship causes? Is it really reasonable for anyone here to expect to find and read only things here that ARE to their taste.

Max can decide if he wishes to keep the (very rare) more extreme posts on his website - that is surely enough? But all I am really asking for is some proportion in all this and that any proposed changes are always subject to the poster's wishes. That any system be seen to be open, fair and have a clear objective.


^ALL ANSWERED AND DISCUSSED BEFORE^

Have you discussed your concerns with Max?
If so, what was his response?
If not, why not?



Spaw---still waiting


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 03:27 AM

Funny how we sometimes say so much to say so little.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 03:18 AM

Is it a fact that the posting of Birthday Threads has been inhibited?

What then is the reason?

You may think that my concern over this inhibition and all the other aspects of the imposed censorship and how all of this is now shaping our forum - is not very important and OTT. If so - perhaps it would appear to follow that all the original imposed censorship and tinkering (set up to deal with a small problem) is also of equally small importance?

For what is the very worst thing that could happen without our volunteers to protect us - that we may read on a public disscussion forum - something that may not be to our taste? Is that really worth all the division that all this current imposed cemsorship causes? Is it really reasonable for anyone here to expect to find and read only things here that ARE to their taste.

Max can decide if he wishes to keep the (very rare) more extreme posts on his website - that is surely enough? But all I am really asking for is some proportion in all this and that any proposed changes are always subject to the poster's wishes. That any system be seen to be open, fair and have a clear objective.

I have not been barred from 22 other websites - I like this one fine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 03:11 AM

Roger, for someone who never tires of repeating the same questions and making the same points dozens of times, is strangely reticent about repeating his answers to Spaw's three simple questions.

Chris, we do talk about music in other threads, daily. Roger does too. This is just a discussion on a specific non-music topic; it gets tiresome at times, and fun at other times, but it doesn't stop us from participating in the main business of the forum. It's like popping into the zoo on the way home from work, to watch the monkeys - just a bit of fun. Idle time, sure, but as long as the monkeys are there we might as well throw them a banana.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 02:57 AM

"We need to get back to talking about music"


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 02:24 AM

You already have my answer to the very same question.


The following were my words. I will leave other (possibly more honest and less biased) posters to judge who is making and encouraging the personal attacks.

I think the evident fact that Joe has successfully managed to inhibit other posters from posting what is to their taste but not to his widely expressed personal taste but without deleting or closing entire birthday threads or other imposed 'tinkering' - rather proves my main point.

It demonstrates that none of this heavy-handed imposition, division and secrecy has ever been necessary and there are many other less counter-productive methods of shaping our forum - that are preferable – certainly to the following…….



The following were Catspaw's earlier words of advice to others (delivered in his usual offensive and abusive way) – that others ignore - so he decides to ignore them too.

QUIT FUCKIN' WITH THE AARDVARK!


It should be possible to offer a different, ask questions and make suggestions for improvements to the censorship system on our forum. Without this being seen (and encouraged to be seen) as a personal attack on one individual and to have a posters then subject to many personal attacks and campaigns.

The fact that this NOW seems to be impossible and the actions, persoanal taste and opinions of one poster seems to be identified so closely with the system they defend - suggest that a review is needed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 01:33 AM

Where the hell are your legions of followers Roger? Oh yeah......sorry......I forgot. They are all quivering in their socks in fear of posting and only Harpy has the courage to stand by you (moreso because of your value as a psychological research project). You've asked hundreds of the same questions over and over and never has any answer no matter how well explained been able to satisfy you........NOT because they are not true but simply because they don't fit in "Mr. Roger's Neighborhood."

You respond to everything with additional questions which are actually the same ones couched in yet another tangle of Shambles' Gibberese which makes little or no sense to anyone. We try to accomodate you but it really matters little since more questions and even more "documentation" results. Your proof sources are as mysterious as your gibberish making no sense either.

You're like a man in a pissing contest what got no dick! All you can do is piss down your leg but somehow you get great joy from doing so. You have my sympathies as you are without a doubt the original broke-dick mamalucca of all time. So once again I asked the obvious questions to which you have yet to respond:

Have you discussed your concerns with Max?
If so, what was his response?
If not, why not?


That is as simply put as I can make it. I await your answer.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:58 PM

did yoy try my chewse and tuna and popato recipy yet?
its good you should try it,
you could put scliced tomoataes on it as well, on top.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:32 PM

So, Roger - Joe is "divisive" and "heavy-handed" (your words). This clearly constitutes a slight on his person, and one which you have been unable to prove so far, as all your efforts in that direction have been proven fruitless. So much for your dislike of personal attacks, then; it was all poppycock and whingeing on your part when you felt yourself slighted. So be it, let your true colours shine through.

You also implicitly accuse BillD of being in cahoots with the Powers That Be ("there is no chance of you being censored"); but then you've done that before.

I am not sure if you are consciously trying to be unpleasant, or it sort of just happens.

Read Kavafi's "The Barbarians" - I think you'll find many similarities, not least in the obvious need to have some "enemy" to rail at.

All the rest, all the false arguments and misquotes, all the unpleasantness and personal attacks, are just an outcome of such a need, I argue. And your presistence in the absence of proof to support your claims, stops people even feeling sorry for you.

It's nothing more than shadowboxing. It's sad, but it does no harm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,georgiansilver
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 05:03 PM

My sentiments are the same as when the thread started......


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,georgiansilver
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:24 PM

I guess when I started this thread...I didn't realise the implications of it....agh well such is life eh?
Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:53 PM

there are quite a few b'day threads still being posted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: jeffp
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:50 PM

"I think the evident fact that Joe has successfully managed to inhibit other posters from posting what is to their taste but not to his widely expressed personal taste but without deleting or closing entire birthday threads or other imposed 'tinkering' - rather proves my main point."

Huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:22 PM

Does complaining about excess complaining constitute excess complaining? boy, am I guilty!

Don't worry Bill - there is no chance of you being censored......


As for Joe's "dislike" of birthday threads, he has made his personal feelings known for at least as long as I have been posting here. I notice that the thread you quoted from remains open with no evidence of censorship.

Surley this example proves exactly what you are trying to disprove. Joe has not acted on personal feelings...


Jon - I do not think that anyone (even Joe) has claimed that Joe Offer was not a human being with personal feelings to act upon – just like the rest of us.

I think the evident fact that Joe has successfully managed to inhibit other posters from posting what is to their taste but not to his widely expressed personal taste but without deleting or closing entire birthday threads or other imposed 'tinkering' - rather proves my main point.

It demonstrates that none of this heavy-handed imposition, division and secrecy has ever been necessary and there are many other less counter-productive methods of shaping our forum - that are preferable – certainly to the following…….

Subject: RE: BS: I blame the Romans...
From: brucie - PM
Date: 17 Apr 05 - 03:27 PM

The NYPD, The FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that
they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President
decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a
forest and each of them has to catch it.

The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the
forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After
three months of extensive investigations they conclude that
rabbits do not exist.

The FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the
forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and
they make no apologies. The rabbit had it coming.


The NYPD goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly
beaten bear. The bear is yelling, "Okay! Okay! I'm a
rabbit! I'm a rabbit!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: jeffp
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:58 PM

Only if you do it excessively, Bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:52 PM

Does complaining about excess complaining constitute excess complaining?

boy, am I guilty!


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:45 PM

I wonder if I could start a series of complaints about vague metaphors and prolong it until I get censored?

I have not noticed any reluctance on your part Bill - to post to complain. *Smiles*


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:39 PM

I wonder if I could start a series of complaints about vague metaphors and prolong it until I get censored? *grin* Then I could have Shambles on MY side.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:38 PM

Organizing Threads   Or just 'tinkering for the sake of it?

You judge if this imposition of one poster's taste upon others - is really needed and if so - what is wrong with with the fine search facilites and the music - non-music split that has been provided for us all?

Have all these software changes now made the imposition of this needless and problematic personal judgement, opinion and taste upon fellow posters - without their knowledge or agreement - completely redundent?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:25 PM

There would appear now to be a great number of cooks who think that the whole of the cake is theirs and that we should be grateful and pay them for the left-over crumbs.... And a number of kitchen porters who feel it best - that they are always seen to agree with the cook's judgement

Max has asked that the kitchen porters clean up after the cooks - who tend to be an exteremly messy lot. Until he objects - those who come in and eat a free lunch have no cause to complain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,jeffp
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:25 PM

You make it seem as if the Joeclones have taken it upon themselves to perform this task without anyone's blessing. You know very well that that is not the case. Joe and the clones (good name for a band) operate with Max's permission and, presumably, at his behest. Your continued mischaracterization of Joe and the clones is disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:18 PM

As long as a 'trace' does not dissappear it seems to me that all the good work we get for free on this forum is like delicious free frosting on a cake.

There is no such thing as a free lunch - seemingly even when you make it yourself.

Max kindly provided the kitchen - all the rest of us freely provided the many and varied ingredients - so the way I have been encouraged -by Max to see it - the resulting cake is ours.

There would appear now to be a great number of cooks who think that the whole of the cake is theirs and that we should be grateful and pay them for the left-over crumbs.... And a number of kitchen porters who feel it best - that they are always seen to agree with the cook's judgement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 01:18 PM

Roger: "All that is being requested is that the posters are consulted before any change is imposed upon their contribution. Not too much to expect - is it?

George: Yes, actually, it is too much to expect from the moderators of a web forum to which you offer no volunteer effort or financial support. You are a guest here, whether nameless or with a handle, just as I am, and also hundreds of others; no more. No rights to "expect" anything. Take it as you find it. Enjoy its positives (which you do, I know you often post in non-BS threads), and ignore the "negatives", perceived or real. If you cannot ignore them, walk away. It's a shop. It offers you things. You don't like it, move on, just as you do in the High Street. And let the grizzling and imputations against the moderators die out - and this thread with them.

But you won't. You can't let it go. It fills the day, it gives it purpose. You will resurrect threads from 2002 in the non-BS section (as you did today), to make the same points one more time.

Many have tired of this game. Many got frustrated and lashed out, rightly or wrongly. But you have stamina - you will keep at it.

Here's the news: so will I. Post by post, day by day, I will be responding and batting away anything you lob. I will not get angry; I will not get frustrated and lash out. I will just keep correcting. And why not? It's fun, and it's easy. Let this thread break the length records - you and me together we can do it, Roger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 12:53 PM

Creating an index and lists of common threads sounds like work to me.
As long as a 'trace' does not dissappear it seems to me that all the good work we get for free on this forum is like delicious free frosting on a cake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 12:46 PM

Having been banned on over 22 international websites, why is it I have have never found an instance of censorship of any of my contributions on Mudcat?

Just because YOU don't get hit with a bullet.............Most folk don't really mind unpleasant things being imposed upon other people. Watching others fall victim is said to be the basis of all humour.....

And you call always call bullets somthing else. You can call genocide 'ethnic cleansing' for example.

No we have no imposed censorship now on our forum. We have things called...

Thread consolidation - routinely re- titling - limited editing - cross-indexing etc. The list of polite names goes on and on.

All that is being requested is that the posters are consulted before any change is imposed upon their contribution. Not too much to expect - is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 10:45 AM

Having been banned on over 22 international websites, why is it I have have never found an instance of censorship of any of my contributions on Mudcat?

It think this whole thing does not amount to a tempest in a shot glass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Veteran Member, Again
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:31 AM

Shambles, is it only "identified" Mudcatters you are willing to misquote and engage in endless smokescreening? Is this because you want to use certain members' popularity to make it seem like they agree with you (or should do so)?

I've chosen a name for this thread, so what is your problem with the freedom Max gives us to post as Guests? I've raised an issue. Why are you ducking it in favor of perpetuating people's feelings about Guests?

A little internal contradiction going on there-- which of Max's freedoms for us do you support, and which not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 05:59 AM

Of course, Roger could accuse Joe then of oppression - as in "by mentioning his dislike of birthday threads he inhibits the rest of us from offering birthday wishes to fellow 'catters".

This is oppressive indeed. Couldn't sleep last night for worrying about it;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 05:55 AM

Thanks, Jon. So we're in an evidence-free zone as regards Joe's misdeeds.

Roger, if this was a court of law and you were the prosecuting attorney, I believe the judge would have thrown the case out long ago (Richard Bridge could tell us about that). And if you were persisting in producing more flimsy non-evidence of this kind, he might have even charged you with contempt of court or wasting the court's time.

(bracing myself for the next avalanche of "evidence" now...) ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 05:17 AM

I seem to be forgetting to supply a name. Last 2 Guests were me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 05:13 AM

More evidence of the current (and continuing) shambles.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=80579&messages=10>where did my thread go bout murder in NY?


What evidence Shambles? As far as I can make out, Joe was mopping up and trying to make the best of a situation caused by someone not understanding the system.

When I try to trace what happened. We open with.
Subject: Tune Req: 60 or 70 song about the murder in NY
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 05 - 08:51 PM

There was a song about the true murder of a woman in the NY streets where everyone just watched and now once call the police for her. Anybody know the name of the song and the group that sang it.
A copule of days later, we have another request - presumably by the same person.
Subject: Lyr Req: Murder in NY in the 60's
From: GUEST,ghindy2002
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 08:40 PM

Anyone know what the name of the song is about the woman that was murdered in the streets of NY in the 60's when everyone watched from there windows and no one called the police...it is a true story. Can anyone help?
The same person then appears to have lost both previous posts and started.
Subject: Lyr Req: where did my thread go bout Murder in NY
From: ghindy
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 07:57 PM

Where did my thread go about the song that reference the true murder of the woman in the treets of NY? I came back the next day and couldnt find the thread... what the heck here?


As far as I can make out that rather than have 3 threads started by the same person on the same subject running at the same time, Joe sensibly (IMO) opted to make one thread current for all replies. You may also care to note.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: where did my thread go bout Murder in NY
From: ghindy
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 08:06 PM

maybe Im getting the hang of this.. I found the traces of the replys to the other threads. I guess I will stop the murder and not mention this one again. Thanks to everyone


The poster understood where (s)he had made a mistake and thanked everbody. Far from being the shambles you suggest, it looks to me to be a "user messup" resolved quite neatly and amicably.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:55 AM

Jon - are you really trying to tell us that posters have not been inhibited from starting and taking part in Birthday threads?

Shambles, I was telling you that the evidence you provided pointed to Joe not taking any action over a type of thread he doesn't care much for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:38 AM

Oops!

where did my thread go bout murder in NY?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:30 AM

El Greko - I had never read that post in full - (as I made clear) I just quoted what appeared in the Avanced Search. But I did not miss much - as I have seen such comments many times before.


Jon - are you really trying to tell us that posters have not been inhibited from starting and taking part in Birthday threads?


More evidence of the current (and continuing) shambles.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=80579&messages=10>where did my thread go bout murder in NY?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:22 AM

....but much to Joe's chagrin, his opposition to birthday threads has become a running joke at Mudcat. Joe refuses to reveal when his bithday is. However, after several pints of strong ale at a pub in Yorkshire, he did reveal that he was born sometime in mid-August. Ever since, he has been plagued by birthday threads, during the entire month of August every year.
Khandu has....well, don't get me started on khandu...
[grin]
So much for Joe having control over anything.
-Joe offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 04:14 AM

Shambles. Mudcat can only be taken over if Max allows it to be taken over.

As for Joe's "dislike" of birthday threads, he has made his personal feelings known for at least as long as I have been posting here. I notice that the thread you quoted from remains open with no evidence of censorship.

Surley this example proves exactly what you are trying to disprove. Joe has not acted on personal feelings...


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:54 AM

Context, Roger, it's all in the context, which you left out - accidentally I am sure, because you are not a manipulative, pick-what-suits-me-to-attack-Joe kind of person, I am sure.

The paragraph you chopped continues as follows: "...I mean have you ever seen the terrible things he says to poor Shambles? Poor Sham has to write 97 pages to try and explain and even then Joe doesn't understand. Come to think of it, at that point no one understands.....but the fault is still Joe's.

Are you telling the world with your post that you can really not tell that this was a joke by catspaw? Or are you haveing your own little joke and you are pulling our strings for fun? If the latter, then - good one, Roger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 03:26 AM

They are entrusted with that responsibility because they will be loyal NOT to their personal tastes and opinions, but to the task they have been given and the tastes of the material's market.

Again a view that is NOT supported by the facts. If you do an Advanced Search on Birthday Threads for example – you will find much real evidence to the contrary. These interesting posts do tend to support the idea of The Mudcat Forum being 'taken-over' and now thought to be subject to the personal tastes and opinions of our volunteers. Including the following......

0.7742 - Thread - Message - RE: BS: HB to MAX!!! - Apr 24 2004 5:39PM - catspaw49
Summary: BTW, this post is a product of Joe Offer so if you have a complaint, talk to your boy Joe. 'Course now, Ol' Joe will be around and say that's not true and Happy Birthday Max and all of that crappola. Geeiz Max, you really created a monster with Joe.


Now I am not calling anyone a monster - but I find myself agreeing with Catspaw - when he does and remain safe - (for he can do and say what he pleases - no matter how abusive). Well said Spaw old Buddy! Attaboy etc, etc. LOL.


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 02:25 AM

He's not honest enough to say he felt hurt, and launches a censorship battle instead. To equate hurt feelings and "the sky is falling" over "lost freedom" is really not fair play.

I am however 'honest' enough to 'honestly' express and evidence my view and 'honest' enough to inform fellow posters of my identity. If folk do not choose to post openly and choose to remain anonymous - perhaps they should not judge and accuse others - of dishonesty, of not playing fair - or accuse them of anything else?

In truth is there much left to accuse me of, blame me for or names that I have not already been called?

If it is not 'The Greek' bearing yet more gifts and pretending to be someone else - I wonder who our 'veteren guest can be then? But I won't wonder for very long. Perhaps we can return to the discussion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,Same Veteran Member
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 07:12 PM

Using one widespread paranoia (see 2 below) to distract people from your own (see 1 below), Shambles? Verrrry cleverrrr.

Main Entry: para·noia
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek, madness, from paranous demented, from para- + nous mind
1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations
2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 06:58 PM

No, the last GUEST wasn't me, Roger. And the example to which you so inappropriately refer is of an April Fools, including the retraction after midday. 3+ weeks later, it's a great way to support paranoia, but not to support an argument.

Relax, I am not out to get you - Xander will not post again until 1st April 2006. But I don't guarantee that he won't be rearing his bigoted head again next April Fools... you have been warned, everybody!


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Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 06:23 PM

Perhaps you don't see quite so well these days Bill?

Mudcat Censorship - a proposal


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