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BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....

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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:01 PM

Well, not that this has anything to do with either Amos's of MG's sanity, or lack thereof, I agree with ake in that ignorance is not sufficient defense...

Hey, don't get me wrong. I like Dougie's style. Just not his lack of willingness to walk that extra mile in examining his carte blanche support of anything that Bush does... That's scarey.

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:03 PM

". Some people just develop some emotional/social/religious/fiscal..etc. attachment to a set of beliefs so deep they they are unable to see other viewpoints. They decide what the answer MUST be, then twist all logic, facts and discussion to fit. This is pretty shallow reasoning, but it 'explains' why people who are pretty smart can hold stupid opinions."

Hey, don't get me wrong. I like Amo's style. Just not his lack of willingness to walk that extra mile in examining his carte blanche tion of anything that Bush does... That's scarey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:06 PM

rejection...


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:07 PM

Interesting view Bill, but how does one become an ex philosopher?

Surely that would require some major surgery?...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:17 PM

One could only become an ex-philosopher by rising to an even higher level of consciousness, in which case philosophy would become redundant. This can happen, for example, in the case of enlightenment.

Most people, however, are at a considerably lower level of consciousness than that of a serious philosopher...and they also consider philosophy redundant. :-) This means that the company of genuine philosophers is restricted to a pretty small group of people.

You can confirm this by attending events such as the Superbowl...


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:27 PM

Thats good LH...but I thought maybe Bill had retired from philosophy and taken up some other pursuit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:33 PM

Such as...?


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:47 PM

The fact of the matter is I don't want to have the type of discussions so many of you feel is necessary.

It's like, why bother?

Please be my guest and discuss with Doug R all you want. Be my guest and post your opinions. I can either like them or say they are complete bullshit. I do not owe you a reason why either way.

On the other hand, if you are going to dish out complete bullshit, you have to be able to take it.

Doktor Skinner BTW is best at analyzing his foreskin.

Little Hawk has got it right to a degree about the serious philosophers as far as I am concerned. I can assure you, no one here is going into the philosopher Hall of Fame.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:51 PM

Anyway, Bill, it's not so much that they are looking at the same set of facts as it is this...

They have an emotional position already, and that establishes the vantage point from which they look. They then look FOR what supports their emotional position, with great attention. They give very scant (if any) attention to what does not support their emotional position. They filter "facts" and only injest the ones they like.

People want to be right, and that is the primary thing standing in the way of their ability to look at things in an unprejudiced fashion. They're rather be "right" than be open-minded. They're rather be "right" than be at peace with others. They'd rather be "right" than be kind or tolerant or fair-minded.

And therein lies the problem. Virtually all strong opinions are, at some level, a form of vanity. And they are, at some level, arbitrary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:53 PM

Danged...

Say it ain't so. Martin... Say it ain't so....

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 08:58 PM

Some people want to be right for their own satisfaction. Their built-in biases would logically be of a different nature than people who want, consciously or not, to be viewed as right. You have failed to make a requisite distinction; I am right about that.

Some peole can be rude as hell, or direct, or probing (I hate to give martin that word), to try to get the best arguments out of another person, if only to help themselves decide an issue.

Many other people think they are right and that is the end of the story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:00 PM

it's so.

So what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:02 PM

Ah! I see what you mean, Martin, about not wanting to have these kind of discussions. That's why you and Amos are like oil and water. He loves the kind of discussions that don't interest you in the least. I can sort of go either way on it, depending on the subject...and my mood at the time, I guess.

Me, I like spiritual and philosophical discussions for their own sake. I also like wacko humor. Obviously.

Chongo likes classy dames, fast cars, and good cigars.

BDiBR likes beer, pot, easy girls, and fast food.

William Shatner likes barbecued steaks, horses, acting, good looking women, and show business.

Everybody's gotta find what they like in life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:17 PM

So there's no point in trying to discuss anything with Martin Gibson. Just let him blather on. Rather like a barking dog.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:20 PM

There can be a point to it if you find one, but that's up to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:20 PM

Yup, GUEST....

But he does it better than anyone here...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:22 PM

Ever tried to get a dog to stop barking? There are only a couple of ways I know of that work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:31 PM

The 12 guage is outta the question, LH....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:34 PM

You got my wavelength there, Bobert. :-) The other way is to throw the dog a bone, a sausage, something good to eat...

Works every time!

No dog cannot be bribed with food.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:34 PM

I didn't use the right punctuation...I am an ex-Philosopher. I am still a 'philosopher'...the difference being I spent 2 years as a graduate student getting paid for it, but soon determined there were VERY few Philosophers required out in the world. I did larn me some innerestin stuff, though...and now I come here to give all these folkies the benefit of my great erudition on a wide selection of important....uh...what was the question?....

oh, well...Little Hawk has affirmed my attainment of a "higher consciousness"...whatever that is, it sounds good!

and LH...I assume that analysis of "emotional positions" is self-inclusive? I, being a certified 'Philosopher', claim the right to stand outside the usual reflexive self-incrimination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:39 PM

Both of these fellows have never been anything but polite to me--and extremely helpful on more than one occasion. I agree more with Amos' political views than I do with Martin's, but I also know that Martin considered long and hard about where his vote went. I know Amos did, too. Martin has made some great statements 'up on the porch'. I have many friends from different walks of life; from different political camps; from different 'worlds'. These guys are two of 'em. Subsequently, I am off this thread. Behave yourselves, OK?

BM


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 09:39 PM

Yes, Bill, it's self-inclusive. However, I am at the stage where I can usually observe my own typical emotional reactions and positions with a certain measure of detachment and humour...which helps to lessen their grip on my thinking. Usually. It's an ongoing challenge.

I find lately that there are very few people whom I cannot find something likeable in, Martin included.

There's simply no sense letting his coarse language get you or anyone else bent out of shape. Actually, it doesn't matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Dewey
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 02:58 AM

Cocky Conceit vs. Potty Mouth Name-Caller.

Cocky Conceit is the biggest offense, a gentleman who thinks himself and his opinions, more valid than the rest of the world's is certainly not behaving as a "Gentleman" towards anybody.

I have many friends who were Potty mouths and name callers, but they didn't think themselves superior to me. So their name calling never bothered me. I had friends that called me "fatboy" d...head etc.

What IS the most unforgivable sin is making yourself out to be a somebody, by sincerely believing IN YOUR HEART, more than JUST your actions, that the other person is INVALID.


This is ego centered destruction and is the LOWEST LEVEL OF SPIRITUALITY.

The potty mouth name caller is MORE of a gentleman in deed however, because one feels that in the harshness of his attitude one is on equal footing with such a person.

The person conversley that TALKS DOWN TO THE OTHER PERSON SELDOM MAKES FRIENDS, who would ever listen to, or tolerate, or cooperate with such a so-called SUPERIOR ACTING "friend". The other friend thinks, "why should I consider him a friend, when he think so little of me!"

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Dewey
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 03:08 AM

AS far as political opinions they're like ******** everyone's got one.

So what's the point in wasting space on them here?

Dewey


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Amos
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 09:45 AM

Gee, Dewey, I don't know much about you, and I certainly don't recall saying I was superior to you in some way. Do I owe you am apology or something? Tell me what it was, if so.


Sorry if my language strikes you that way. You might say something to me about it.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Giok
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 10:14 AM

LH I think you put an accidental comma between the words horses and acting in your earlier post. The reason WS likes horses acting is because they're about the only thing he thinks he can act better than, and he's wrong there too.
Giok ;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 10:35 AM

Hey, Dewey. Relax. No one died and left you boss.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 10:50 AM

Giok, you are being quite unfair to the esteemed Mr Shatner. He can act much better than the average horse can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 10:52 AM

Only the average horse, though, mind you. AN excellent horse make shim look wooden and uninspired.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 10:59 AM

LOL! Just can't resist sniping at the Great Bill, can you, Amos?


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 11:47 AM

I'm just jealous of his money, LH! :)


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Pied Piper
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 01:38 PM

I'm still recovering from Shatners rendering (in it's meat products sense) of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" but he was the best James T Kirk I ever saw.

PP


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 01:45 PM

I been tellin' you for AGES, Amos, that all them big, fancy words was gonna get you in trouble! We want to be clear to all levels of our membership, don't we?
Now, fer Pete's dewey's sake, stop the hypersyllabification and eschew obfuscation!


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Teresa
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 02:02 PM

Bobert, you've created a difficulty in starting this thread.

There are so many insane folk around here who deserve this honor, myself included.

Please, I vote to open up the floor to further nominations.

Teresa


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Bones
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 03:07 PM

I wish Martin and Doug would just fuck and get it over with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 03:08 PM

I'd like to say a word on behalf of my friend Amos. Amos IS a gentleman. I don't believe that he ever means to condescend. I'd wouldn't confuse politics with real life, even though I mostly agree with him. I must say though, Amos my friend... you do have a tendency to call a spade a long, wooden handled, steel bladed digging implement... :-)

Jerry

Still obfuscated after all these years


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: s6k
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 04:17 PM

yeah i agree with Guest Bones, I think they fancy eachother!


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 04:35 PM

But Jerry!! A spade IS a long, wooden-handled, steel-bladed digging implement!!

LOL

I know I wax sometimes. It's the way I yam wired. I'll try to simplify.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 04:37 PM

Criticizing Amos because he uses a lot of big words is like critizing Chongo Chimp because he has fleas. Each of us has our defining characteristic that makes us so charming..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 04:41 PM

". . . stop the hypersyllabification and eschew obfuscation!"

My G A W D! LH does THAT? I am either really impressed or very disgusted. He's Canadian you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 05:26 PM

One who uses a complicated vocabulary and one who presents many expletives but I don't think either is insane...just different!
Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 05:40 PM

Sorry, Teresa, but I ain't into them "open" threadsa about who is the craziest of all Mudcatters, who is the purdiest, 'we nuthing like that. Them threads is what I "slam book" threads and tend to be at tad junior hogh schoolish in general...

Not that you ain't wacko, mind you, 'cause I'm sure you can hold yer own with the best of 'um...

Nah, this is just a thread for Martin and Amos who have been dueling it out for some time and both accused each other of being insane, 'er nyso, 'er... about the same time so I figured we'd limit this one to them...

Now, if you would like to take on the winner, 'er looser, than maybe we can do a "Insanity. Teresa or _________" thread...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 06:40 PM

Gee, Bobert, sounds like you believe in the anti-Darwinian "Popular Acclaim" model of mental health, which holds that sanity is defined by the number of agreements it can muster.

That's a hard one to defend rationally, but I ams ure you get lots of people to agree with you, so you'll be ok!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 07:05 PM

Who are we to say somebody is mad just because there are more of us than there is of them, we could still be wrong!
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 08:32 PM

brucie, brucie, brucie...no, no...AMOS does the inflated word bit, LH inflates concepts!


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 09:00 PM

Dewey is a cool dude in my book.

Sounds like one streetwise guy.

I guarantee that less than 20-25% of all my posts have used any profanity. The ones that have had some major impact.

Thank you!

BTW I did not write the song "I Want To Talk About Me."


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 11:51 PM

You're so right, Bill! That IS what I do. Most people are far too narrow-minded and literal in their approach to concepts. For instance, they think religion is something that only occurs in churches! Whereas it actually occurs practically EVERYWHERE! And that's just the start...

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 11:54 PM

Thank you for making that clear, Martin. And thank you for not writing that song. It is bloody awful.

And thank you Amos for your vocabulary. Other than the 'hypersylabilic/hypersyllabelic/hypersyllabbleic/word with many parts thing', I understood the rest except for "eschew obfuscation" which I think may be illegal in Canada.

So, let me see if I got this right: Everything is undergoing inflation except the blow-up dolls. BILL! TALK TO ME! Is what LH's doing a good thing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 10:05 AM

Dewey, you get the prize forl humor--you are a laugh a minute--as for Martin, you're always welcome here, because there is something reassuring about people who are consistant--


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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 10:10 AM

I think we really need to make the point here that inflated words are the harbingers--nay, the veritable handmaidens--of inflated concepts. If hyperbolic vocabulary appears, can hyperbole be far behind?

A


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