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BS: Falluja

Raedwulf 07 Nov 04 - 03:29 PM
GUEST 07 Nov 04 - 03:57 PM
Com Seangan 07 Nov 04 - 04:06 PM
GUEST,Frank 07 Nov 04 - 04:36 PM
GUEST 07 Nov 04 - 04:41 PM
Peace 07 Nov 04 - 06:00 PM
dianavan 07 Nov 04 - 06:35 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Nov 04 - 07:09 PM
skipy 07 Nov 04 - 07:14 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Nov 04 - 07:26 PM
skipy 07 Nov 04 - 08:05 PM
GUEST,Sad and Disheartened 07 Nov 04 - 08:08 PM
GUEST,Diogenes 07 Nov 04 - 08:14 PM
Metchosin 07 Nov 04 - 08:18 PM
GUEST 07 Nov 04 - 08:37 PM
The Fooles Troupe 07 Nov 04 - 08:43 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Nov 04 - 08:48 PM
GUEST 07 Nov 04 - 08:56 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Nov 04 - 09:10 PM
The Fooles Troupe 07 Nov 04 - 10:09 PM
GUEST 08 Nov 04 - 08:35 AM
GUEST 08 Nov 04 - 08:56 AM
GUEST,Larry K 08 Nov 04 - 09:08 AM
Gervase 08 Nov 04 - 09:20 AM
GUEST,US 08 Nov 04 - 09:22 AM
GUEST 08 Nov 04 - 09:22 AM
GUEST 08 Nov 04 - 09:38 AM
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dianavan 08 Nov 04 - 10:20 AM
GUEST 08 Nov 04 - 10:26 AM
GUEST,US 08 Nov 04 - 10:27 AM
GUEST 08 Nov 04 - 10:36 AM
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GUEST 08 Nov 04 - 10:47 AM
GUEST,Uncle Sam 08 Nov 04 - 10:50 AM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Nov 04 - 10:55 AM
George Papavgeris 08 Nov 04 - 11:00 AM
GUEST 08 Nov 04 - 11:07 AM
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Subject: BS: Falluja
From: Raedwulf
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 03:29 PM

"But the enemy has got a face. He's called Satan. He lives in Falluja. And we're going to destroy him."

Quote, unquote, from the commanding officer of one of the Marine battalions "at the tip of the spear" in the imminently expected assault of Falluja.

Scary.

Full BBC story here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 03:57 PM

In the days leading up to the election, I said the leveling of Falluja would happen within a fortnight of the US elections.

The view from Ivory Coast, Darfur, and Nigeria are equally distressing and depressing, knowing that thousands of peoples' lives are on the verge of extinction.

That's right wing moral values in action.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: Com Seangan
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 04:06 PM

All is not completely lost. There are still millions of decent people in US who can value human life irrespective of race, creed or social standing. They more than any have a responsibility to restore sanity to their own leaders. And each of us in our own countries can at least make our voices heard with our own pussyfooting sychophants.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 04:36 PM

Yes, but this time we must articulate our vision for the world. Falluja is symbolic of the tragedy of this Administration. I predict abject failure here.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 04:41 PM

Fallujah is symbolic of the tragedy of the Bush administration, and the Democratic party's failure to act as an opposition party, you mean.

If the god damn Democratic party had done it's job back in October 2002, there wouldn't be a Fallujah today, and the progressive left could be realistically pressuring the United Nations and the Bush administration to take decisive action in Africa, which is currently coming apart at the seams--again, I repeat: Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Darfur, Congo, Ethiopia...Africa is on the verge of a continent-wide bloodbath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: Peace
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 06:00 PM

Fallujah is not symbolic of much but a poorly executed war in Iraq. I used to be in favour of this war. I am no lomger. I did want to see Hussein fall. Looking back on a post I made when the US was looking for allies to help with the overthrow of the Iraq government, I noted that I was somewhat ashamed that Canada did not help. I was wrong to have wished we did. That was brought home to me in a roundabout way: the mad cow scare--that was America's revenge on my country for not helping in Iraq this time around. (I noted at the time, parenthetically, that even though we had been part of the UN-sanctioned Gulf War, my country's contribution was not mentioned in the various American-written accounts of that war.) The mad cow scare was America's way to punish the Canadian government and people for its transgression. Then there was SARs. We were punished again. For the record, I have no beef (bad pun) with the American people per se, but the American government can kiss my Royal Canadian Arse. I really hope the day comes when someone in Ottawa has the balls to tell the US to go fuck itself. These people are no longer our friends; at least not those represented by the Bush crew.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: dianavan
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 06:35 PM

The U.S. administration is nobody's friend.

Saddam did not do this:

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/01389.htm

d


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 07:09 PM

And how much of what has happened in Fallujah already, and the far worse that is probably to come, has its roots in the massacre carried out there by the US military in April 2003

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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: skipy
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 07:14 PM

There may be a time to hide behing the label "GUEST" this is not one!
Who the hell are you? what are your motivations? Where do you lie in the political spectrum? Just how far up the ladder are you or how far do you think you are ?
Fallujah will happen, it needs to happen, they have been given the option to leave & to negotiate, the gate is still open!
I along with most of the world would be happy to see all the arms laid down & all parties around a table.
Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 07:26 PM

From The Observer (a British paper which supported the war, May 4th 2003 Bloodshed and bullets fuel rising hatred of Americans

"...A crowd gathered outside the al-Ani's house last week (April , demanding that the Americans leave the school over the road so that children can return. The military opened fire, killing 13 and wounding some 35; they claimed they were shot at first.

But even if shots were aimed at them, the response was not only into the crowd; they pummelled the street, house by house, with a mighty volley and shot at occupants as they appeared in doorways.

Each of the brothers came out in turn to try and help their families and were each targeted and shot. Walid was killed and the two others wounded, along with their mother, Mufina, and her daughter-in-law, Eptisan al-Ani. In a few minutes, said Eptisan's husband, Muthana, now in the hospital bed opposite his brother, 'our family is destroyed'...


I doubt if any of the American soldiers who will be going in to Fallujah in the next few days will never have heard of this. But the people shooting at them will surely remember.

There are always horrors lying at the roots of horrors. Seedcorn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: skipy
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:05 PM

There is always hope laying at the roots of hope. Skipy


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,Sad and Disheartened
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:08 PM

Here is a love song for the Iraqis and Americans tonight

WAR
Music/lyrics by DOUGIE MACLEAN

Our voice made silent
our hands made still
But deep and violent wait
the ones who wait to kill

The desert's burning,
their reasons pale
For there's no returning
with some golden holy grail

CHORUS
What have they done?
What have they done?
The blood will run to everyone
Oh what have they done?

Is it for freedom?
Or is it for truth?
That father's fall
and all those young men trade their youth?

Or are they moved by
deception's hand
That rank and reckless
scatters death across the sand?


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:14 PM

GUEST, your hate for the Democrats is really scalding your guts, isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: Metchosin
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:18 PM

Could you explain to me why "it needs to happen"? Shock and Awe just didn't sink in far enough? Little Johnny Jihad still not being a good boy?

Fallujah happens. LOL I think I'll start using that instead of Shit Happens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:37 PM

No Diogenes, you aren't the last honest man. Get over yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:43 PM

The Falluja Rag


Hey mister Taliban! tally up me grandmas!
Americans come, and this is my home!


Car Bomb! Klashnikov! RPG!
Americans come, and this is my home!
CocaCola! SprawlMart! Democracy!
Americans come, and this is my home!


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:48 PM

How do you know it's the same GUEST, Diogenes? How does GUEST know you are thinking of the same GUEST even?   Was that the same GUEST both times in this thread anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:56 PM

Only Max, Joe & the clones know for sure, McGrath...so, maybe Diogenes has friends in high places, hmmmmm?


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 09:10 PM

Who was that masked man?


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 10:09 PM

2nd attempt!

The Falluja Rag


Hey mister Taliban! Tally up me grandmas!
Americans come, and they shoot up my home!
Wearing big cowboy boots and bandannas!
Americans come, and they shoot up my home!


Chorus:
Car Bomb! Klashnikov! RPG!
Americans come, and they shoot up my home!
CocaCola! SprawlMart! Democracy!
Americans come, and now got no home!

(Instrumental) O!
Americans come, and they shoot up my home!


Had good job in Iraqui Army!
Americans come, and they shoot up my home!
Army Disbanded, cannot feed family!
Americans come, and they shoot up my home!


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 08:35 AM

"Fallujah will happen, it needs to happen, they have been given the option to leave & to negotiate, the gate is still open!"

So that's all right then
As long as you tell them you're driving them from their homes before you send in the bombers

nick


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 08:56 AM

Exactly, nick. Fallujah is home to nearly half a million innocent human beings. Where are they while the American bombardments are going on? The firefights? When the tanks come rolling down their streets?

Support the troops slaughtering them? Not in my name.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 09:08 AM

"Fallujah is home to nearly half a million innocent human beings" The reason you democrats/liberals/progressives/not in my name/move on.org/new demoncrats/and mudcatters continue to lose election after election after election after election is that cannot separte terrorists from innocent human beings.

That is why you must never be allowed to be in charge of the security of the USA.   That is why you will never win an election.

50,000 taliban brutalize 25 million woman/people in Afganastan and you are OK with that.   Sadaam brutalizes/murders/rapes/ 25 million people in Iraq and you are also OK with that.   When the USA gives these people a chance at democracy (you mean that woman actually voted in Afganastan- where was Patty Ireland) you call the USA soldiers terrorists and call the terrorist innocent. What schumucks.

Felluja is happening.   59 million americans gave Bush the Mandate.   500 people in the streets in Oregon is a joke which should be pitied.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: Gervase
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 09:20 AM

Larry, why are the terrorists there? They certainly weren't there before the US invaded. Or did you buy that crap about Iraq being behind 9/11?
As for separating terrorists from innocent human beings, the US military doesn't seem too good at that, judging by its track record so far...


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,US
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 09:22 AM

The innocent people evacuated. The bad guys stayed. Lets send them to be with Allah and all those virgins. It will be doing them a favor.

Blow 'em away troops!

Uncle Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 09:22 AM

Larry's problem Gervase, isn't that he can't tell the difference between an innocent civilian and a terrorist, it's that he doesn't care what happens to the innocent civilian.

According to Larry, the US now has a mandate to kill them all and let Allah sort them out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 09:38 AM

The innocent people evacuated? And just where are you getting this information from Guest US? Drudge Report?

Half a million people don't just "evacuate". It would create a refugee crisis of epic proportions in a war zone like Fallujah. I think we might of heard about it by now.

I did, however, read that yet another international aid organization for the Iraqi civilians has now been forced out of Iraq, due to the deteriorating security condiditons and increased violence created by the insurgency fighting the US occupation: Doctors Without Borders.

Anyone notice a pattern here? All the aid organizations pull out, and most the news organizations holed up in their hotels in Baghdad, and voila! No witnesses to the American slaughter of Iraqi civilians!


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 09:51 AM

BTW, as the refugees are streaming out of Fallujah and Ramadi, just what protections do they receive from US troops? Hmmm???

Here is a quote from a recent Detroit Free Press article:

"U.S. planes pounded the city late Friday in what residents called the strongest attacks in months. Residents reached by telephone said the aircraft were striking targets in the central city market as well as neighborhoods in the north, south and east.

That followed five air strikes Thursday night on targets in the city, a sharp escalation from recent days. U.S. officials said the strikes were intended to destroy a weapons cache, a barricade put up by insurgents and an area booby-trapped with homemade bombs.

Much of the town's population has fled, sending a steady stream of refugees toward Baghdad, and some insurgent leaders may have tried to escape amid the fleeing civilians. On Friday, residents said, U.S. planes dropped leaflets urging women and children to leave."

A bit odd, I would say, the "residents" who were reached by phone to comment upon the current wave of US bombings and air strikes, when news reports say residents already have "mostly fled" the city. Interesting. The US has no one on the ground in the city of Fallujah, yet can claim the city is evacuated, at the same time reporters are able to reach residents by phone.

I'm sure the US Marines consider dropping leaflets telling women and children to leave, sufficient notice of their imminent slaughter if they don't. It will be their own damn fault then, right?

Just gets curiouser and curiouser.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 09:53 AM

Wonder what the literacy rate is among the women and children of Fallujah is. It would probably help if they could read those leaflets, wouldn't it? Maybe they can get their terrorist sons, husbands, fathers, and grandfathers they are expected to abandon, to read them the fine print.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: Alba
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:08 AM

LarryK if we knew about the inhuman treatment of our fellow World Citizens why did we give the Taliban and Iraq millions of dollars in support prior to September 11th?
Insurgents are people uprising against an occupancy.
I noticed that the Newscasters were flinging in the words "Terrorists in Falluja" the other day when only a week ago these same "terrorists" were being called Insurgents!
Blurring the Line again between the War in Iraq and the War on Terror.


Blessings
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: dianavan
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:20 AM

Since the U.S. was polite enough to warn the insurgents, they have mostly fled. Why would they stick around? That just leaves alot of innocent people. In fact, the terrorist have moved outside of Falluja and are attacking the Iraqi army in the now undefended areas outside of Falluja. Go figure.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:26 AM

"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind...And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded with patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader, and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -

                                                 William Shakespeare


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,US
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:27 AM

Fuckin' A. Kill 'em all let Allah 'em out.

Uncle Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:36 AM

The mainstream establishment press reinforce the rationale for conflict by invoking carefully crafted euphemisms minted by public relations teams working in synch with the Pentagon. Keep that in mind when sound-bytes like "terrorist safe house" or "insurgent stronghold" appear in news reports on Fallujah and Ramadi. Those buzzwords are the precursors of aggression, in this case the so-called "assault" on Fallujah.

The American public is more apt to accept the "necessity" of using overwhelming force when it is concealed behind catchy buzzwords or war mongering jargon. This is how a murderous attack on a civilian population is sold as a "necessity".

You bet there are refugees trying to get out of Fallujah and Ramadi. The US has been bombing the area for weeks, has cut off food, water, and supplies to the civilian population, blocked access to the city's only hospital, etc etc. That sends a message loud and clear: the US forces will kill as many innocent civilians (calling them "insurgents" and "terrorists" of course) as it takes to subjugate the entire country. Are refugees being given safe passage by US troops? Where are all the refugees? What protections are they given--food, water, medical aid, shelter from the weather? How about shelter from the fighting? Where do they go for that? Into the desert to die?


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,US
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:43 AM

Dumb ass Guest: The Us has captured the hospital today to keep it from being used by terrorists as they have done in the past. Also to keep the "remaing innocent people who can't escape" from claimng a bunch of civilian casualies like they have done in the past.

You are a Buzzword. The word is Idiot.

Uncle Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:47 AM

"Captured" the hospital? Oh joy. I'm sure the residents of Fallujah are pleased to be safe from terrorism, and at the mercy of wounds and disease.

And with MSF/Doctors Without Borders gone, no doctors, the clinics boarded up, it sounds like the perfect playground for our Rambo Warriors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,Uncle Sam
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:50 AM

Captured means they went in and looked for terrorists. Then they secured it to keep terrorists out. They are not interfering with the operation of the hospital.

Does your mommy and daddy know you have the computer on?

Uncle Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 10:55 AM

When the US first occupied Fallujah there were a lot of people who weren't too worried about it, and even welcomed them, the way you do when an occi=upying army moves in and you thinbk there's a chance things will at last get calm again. That included the mayor of the city.

The situation today is one which was brought about by misjudgement and mis-management.

"Insurgents", "terrorists" - why not go back to the old term that was used in the days of the Indian Wars in the USA, and call them "renegades"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:00 AM

You don't get all the news, GUEST,US. I just heard on the BBC less than an hour ago that there are still tens of thousands of civilians who have not fled, because they have nowhere to go, or because they want to protect their property from looting. Dumb decision, I grant you, but not one worthy of being branded a "terrorist" even as your body is being blown to pieces just to avoid swelling the civilian casualty stats.

Iraq is not a country of terrorists. Fallujah is not a city of terrorists. There are no such things, because terrorists don't organise themselves into cities and countries (wouldn't it be nice if they would, it'd be easy to spot them then...).

So when Lt Col Gareth Brandl says "But the enemy has got a face. He's called Satan. He lives in Falluja. And we're going to destroy him.", I say "Gareth, either you are a naive idiot, or an evil bastard peddling myths".


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:07 AM

Oh I saw the video of the US troops "capturing" the hospital. It churned my stomach, and made me look away in shame. This is what we went to Iraq for? To storm troop our way into hospitals?

The US forces are currently preventing men of age 14-60 years
from leaving the city... US forces are also preventing journalists from entering the city to report on the ongoing massacre of innocent civilians, and war crimes by "our own" like that captured on video in the hospital...

The international community, all the Arab world, peace activists everywhere have condemned this horrific assault on Iraqi civilians. No one is supporting this except the American war mongerers. This is their Iraqi Alamo, the definitive symbol of Muslim resistance to the Bush onslaught that is destroying everything in it's path and laying waste to the entire city. This is classic David and Goliath, and "our own" aren't Davids here.

As neo conservative spokesman Frank Gaffney recently stated, the goal is the "reduction in detail (destruction) of Fallujah and other safe havens utilised by freedom's enemies in Iraq".

The whole world is watching in horror, but the US isn't listening.

And thank you, Kerry supporters, for silencing the anti-war movement that might have been able to shut down Washington DC for a few days to at the very least, draw attention to this bloodbath in our name.

Thanks so very much for sacrificing the citizens of Fallujah at your altar of political expediency.

Their blood is on your hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,Neville
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:11 AM

"Gareth, either you are a naive idiot, or an evil bastard peddling myths"

Neville


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:19 AM

"The US forces are currently preventing men of age 14-60 years
from leaving the city... "
- shades of Srbrenica...


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:21 AM

And the greater sin of all this, is that the video of the US troops storming the hospital is the footage the US government WANTS us and is allowing us to see. We can't even imagine how horrific the scenes are that the US government isn't allowing us to see, and that's the way the US wants to keep it, too.

Do you suppose we'll see any video of the carnage, now that the US has exiled Al Jazeera TV?

Ironically, Reuters is reporting that rebel leaders in Fallujah
composed of insurgent leaders, tribal chiefs and Sunni Muslim clerics are encouraging journalists to "embed" with them during the confrontation. "All media will be allowed into Falluja to witness the
crusade against Islam and see the real face of America. U.S. media will not be excluded." This offer is not expected to influence the predictable "one-sided" reporting from the war zone nor is it clear whether it will affect the anticipated "news blackout".

Nor is it clear that any Western media will take them up on the offer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,US
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:25 AM

About 230 Iraqis were found by marines still living in a building complex in the northwest edge of the city, some milling about in their underwear.

"According to residents, terrorist elements plan to use citizens as human shields then claim they were attacked by Multi-National Forces."

"They planned to bomb the Al-Haq mosque and blame the US-led forces. They (insurgents) say they are against the multinational forces but they kill the Iraqi people.


Uncle Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:34 AM

From Votenowar.org:
"Now the top enlisted Marine in Iraq has called on his troops to commit war crimes against the tens of thousands of remaining residents and what stands of that proud and historic city. Referring to the assault on the ancient citadel city of Hue, destroyed by U.S. soldiers in Vietnam, Sgt. Maj. Carlton W. Kent told an assembled group of 2,500 Marines in a "pep-talk": "You're all in the process of making history. This is another Hue city in the making. I have no doubt, if we do get the word, that each and every one of you is going to do what you have always done - kick some butt." (AP, November 7 2004)

The U.S. moved to reoccupy Hue after Vietnamese forces has liberated it in the Tet Offensive of 1968. The Under Secretary of the Air Force, Townsend Hoopes, described the results of the U.S. assault on Hue in a March 1968 memo as leaving "a devastated and prostrate city. Eighty per cent of the buildings had been reduced to rubble, and in the smashed ruins lay 2,000 dead civilians... Three quarters of the city's people were rendered homeless and looting was widespread, members of the ARVN [U.S. backed South Vietnamese troops] being the worst offenders." (Noam Chomsky's forward to the papers of the 1967 International War Crimes in Vietnam Tribunal)"

Wonder who has been marked as the Lt. Calley of the Iraq War? And for every man. woman, and child killed or left homeless, we create another terrorist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST,US
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:35 AM

Clamping down on movement, US troops banned men aged from 15 to 50 from entering or leaving Fallujah, warning they could become a target.

Women and children will be allowed to leave the city but cannot return until "order is restored," the US military said, according to an AFP photographer with the troops.

Uncle Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:35 AM

Those are pretty traditional stories passed out to the friendly press in this kind of situation. At the time of Guernica the story was put about that the bomb damage had been deliberately caused by anarchists planting bombs to make the friendly Germans look bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:36 AM

Falluja is Beirut again. Falluja is Warsaw in 1939. You will always find loyal Wermacht supporters back home on their comfortable seats who will point out that the fighters defending their own homes and streets are "terrorists"...lawless scum deserving of slaughter. Yes, by all means! When you control the skies of an invaded and prostrate nation with your mightly Luftwaffe, when the city is ringed by your deadly artillery, when your rumbling tank divisions stand ready to crush the poorly armed resistance fighters block by block...thump your chests with pride, declare yourselves to "the defenders of freedom" and call the people defending their own homes "terrorists" as you once called the Vietnamese defending their own villages "communists"!

And no one will convince you that it is YOUR leaders who are the real terrorists. No one. Your ears and eyes are shut to that.

But wait. Because your turn will come. It will come finally when you are clearly seen for what you are by a World community of nations that simply will not take any more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:39 AM

More propaganda terms I'm reading now in the news reports:

"as US and Iraqi troops ventured into the rebel enclave" instead of referring to the city by name. Turkish Press.

"in the first stage of a major assault on the insurgent stronghold" instead of referring to the city by name. The Guardian. That same article claims the handcuffing of the patients in the hospital was done by "Iraqi soldiers". Sure.

Also in The Guardian article:

"In the first foray across the river into Fallujah proper, Marines on Monday morning secured an apartment building in the city's northwest corner, said Capt. Brian Heatherman, of the 3rd Battalion 1st Marine Regiment.

``The Marines have now gained a foothold in the city,'' said Heatherman, 32.

He said there were some Iraqi casualties as the troops seized the building, where Marines found an improvised bomb hanging above a doorway - one of the many variety of booby traps they expect to come across in the urban battle."

"ferocious battle" is how the slaughter is being referred to by many news outlets, including the San Jose Times. And of course, the state of emergency has also closed the borders, so no more journalists, medical staff, etc are being allowed into the area now either. Savvy planning, that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 04 - 11:47 AM

The news reports are now coming out that the entire county of Iraq's borders have been closed, along with Baghdad airport.

A slaughter of Iraqi civilians by US troops is going on here people, count on it.

Let's here it for US election mandates. And I doubt that Bush has even spent more than a thin dime of his political capital on this.

Support the troops--but be sure to look away while you are doing it, because you may not have the stomach for what they are doing in the name of our very own Operation Iraqi Freedom.


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