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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 10:43 AM

Oh dear, publishing!!!!! Our great pal has "acquired" many "trad" songs over the years. Strangely he even claims "In The House Of The Rising Sun"!!


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: pavane
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:25 AM

As I understand it, whenever you publish something, you acquire copyright to THAT PUBLICATION. Doesn't mean you necessarily have copyright of the song or tune itself.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Nerd
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 11:44 AM

Well, people who have performed trad material on Bulmer-owned albums have released some of the same songs on other albums without getting sued. So I don't think he is claiming publishing rights on even, say, a certain song as performed by Nic Jones. Or perhaps he claims them but is unprepared to defend the claim in court...


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 12:11 PM

I asked only because someone who is keen to buy up record labels but then not re-issue them night still make a substantial amount of money for publishing revenue via airplay.

If this is the case (and I stress IF), it could explain his reluctance to re-issue some popular titles. He can avoid manufacturing costs for hundreds of albums, but potentially get a substantial income from publishing for doing nothing aside from buying the publishing rights (or at least a share)

LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 02:23 PM

Normally publishing rights would not be granted to the record label. The music publisher would retainthe publishing rights and the record label would get a mechanical licence.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Music Mercenary
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 04:16 PM

Hello All,

Just a quick enquiry. I'm not inclined to reveal my name, but I work for a Universal affiliated record label based in the UK. I've recently been asked by HMV & Virgin to discover who holds the rights (and the masters) to the Nic Jones catalogue, and then to license them for general sale.
I've spoken to Nic's wife Julia, (very lovely lady), but she didn't feel comfortable revealing any names.
As it happens, I've clued myself up anyway.
However - before I begin the seemingly painstaking process of negotiation with Mr. Bulmer I was wondering if anyone here could provide me with a little bit of a breakdown regarding what licenses Mr.Bulmer actually owns. Also a coherent and unbiased brief of how the general story stands at present.
By the way - I have every intention of ensuring that Nic receives his just royalties for any re-issues.
Regards,
Music Mercenary, London


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 21 Feb 05 - 04:58 PM

Dear Mr Mercenary (Nice Handle!)
I'm assuming that you've got a printout of all the previous threads on this Topic (No Pun intended!).
For more Horses Mouth info, you could worse than E Mailing Pete Coe and/or Dick Gaughan (Both have websites easily accessible through Google).
It would be wonderful if you could achieve what most people on this, and many other, notice boards have failed to do over what is rapidly approaching 25 years. Namely, Justice for a decent bloke who had a bad accident.
You've spoken to Julia apparently. Yes a very nice lady with the patience of Job!

Good Luck with your quest. I'm pretty easy to contact. Become a member of the Cat and you can send a private message in confidence.

All the best

Ralph Jordan (Producer "Unearthed")


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 03:32 AM

The threads here say that DB owns The Trailer / Leader / Highway labels, therefore owning (outright?) the earlier albums from Nics solo career and also the Bandoggs album. He has re-issued a couple already as I'm sure you know. Ive seen the Self titled album and Ballads and Songs in one of the HMV (or similar) megastores. Dont know if he's re-issued the others though

LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: pavane
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:59 AM

Are they CD or CD-R?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: red max
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:23 AM

CDR


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:21 AM

Apparantly they are CDR. How do you tell the difference though? I played mine against my (somewhat worn) vinyl copy of ballads and songs and it sounded fine.
Mind you, I would have liked to have seen some sleeve notes and maybe a bonus track or two. Remarkably short compared to todays re-issue standard.

LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: pavane
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:36 AM

It would sound the same, just not so robust and may not last as long.
I don't suppose there are any bonus tracks available, in the circumstances.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 07:40 AM

No...somehow I cant imagine Nic offering him some unreleased gems!

LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: treewind
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:22 AM

The difference with CDRs is that you can burn and sell as many as you like and the MCPS don't know how many you've done, so there's no proof of what royalty payments you owe the artist.

In contrast, a CD pressing run (unless it's a short-run test pressing) has to be registered with the MCPS.

Nothing to do with audio quality or CDR longevity, though that might be an issue too.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 08:46 AM

Yes I knew that, but wanted to know how the "man on the street" could tell if had bought a regular CD or CDR.

Additionally, dont you have to be registered with MCPS first? Is MCPS membership compulsary?

LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: red max
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 10:10 AM

You could probably tell by the fact that CDRs sometimes won't play properly on some CD players. Also their "underbelly" is coloured (usually blue or green) and is easily damaged

I can understand why CDR is a more viable format for self-produced albums, but for artists under Bill Leader's wing it does seem a rather shoddy option


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: pavane
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 10:41 AM

You don't have to be a Member of MCPS. Whenever you make a recording (for sale), you have to submit a track list (of copyright songs) to the MCPS, and the proposed quantity, and MCPS will determine the royalties due. Once you have paid, you are entitled to add the characters MCPS to your sleeve notes. (or directly printed on CD?)

If they are indeed on there, but they are CDR's, perhaps the MCPS should be informed. If you told the MCPS that you have made 100, but they find you have actually distributed say 10,000, they could take action as necessary to recover the extra royalties. (But they go to the copyright holder, not the artist)


(PS Artists FORMERLY under BL's wing)


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Dita
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:44 AM

Ralphie,

Just a thought, but as Celtic Music now trade as Music by Mail, and it's under that name Nic's, among others, CDRs are being issued, should the thread title not reflect this.

Celtic Music/Music by Mail Dave Bulmer

I'm sure the info is in the threads, but as we can see, not everyone reads the whole thing.

S**t by any other name is still s**t.

I'd hate to think that people who avoid CM products would buy MbM without realising it's the same guy,

Cheers, John.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Nerd
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 03:28 PM

LL, the "man on the street" could not tell they were CDRs at first, but the CDR is less durable and more vulnerable to light and heat, etc. Therefore, the product will probably not last as long. I've had CDRs stop playing after three or four years. It's yet another way you might get screwed if you buy these products.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 04:04 PM

John/Dita.
Yes I take your point, but hey....It's traditional now!!!
Seriously though, a LOT of people are reading all of this, to keep up to date on the situation. Very few contribute, but, changing the name of the thread might mean that interested readers might miss out on some important info.
Personally, I can't wait for the day when the whole sorry mess has been consigned to the Litter tray of the Cat.
Until then. I think we should keep the title as is.

Good thought though. Regards Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 06:33 PM

CDRs usually have a distinct appearance on the burnt side where the data is stored. I've got some re-issue CDRs originally from vinyl. An LP stored a max of about 45 mins. A CD will hold upwards of 65-80. The data is stored from the centre going out and where the unburnt bit starts (ie where the data ends) is very obvious. If a quality CDR is looked after, ie put in its case and stored at normal temperatures and humidity, it should last years.

Having read this thread, and the others, I hope the CD I bought (No Roses by Shirley Collins and The Albion Country Band) is genuine and that the artists got their royalties. It was ordered through HMV a few years back.

If GuestMM does the trick, there will be smiles a plenty and hopefully would lead to the other affected artists and their followers getting what they deserve.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Nerd
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 01:33 AM

Peter, the key terms are "quality," "should" and "years." No one knows what quality the original medium was when they buy a CDR by mail, so the product may not be a quality CDR. Also, no one knows how long CDRs will last on average because they haven't existed long enough. They "should" last forever, but they won't. So they will last years, but how many? As I have stated, I have had CDRs become unreadable by CD players within three years. So is average shelf-life going to be ten? If so, people should know this before they buy.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 02:57 AM

Eek
Now I'm a little worried. I have a lot of CDRs in my collection (folk club recordings, etc). Some of these are already quite a few years old. Maybe I should consider backing them up somewhere else as they are irreplacable...Guess this problem could happen to a lot of us.

I'm still a little confused regarding appearance of CDRs though. The Nic Jones CDR doesnt have the blue / geen appearance of other CDRs (nor does it have a stick on label). Flipping the disc over to the playing side, it looks no different from any of the major label CDs in my collection (Van Morrison, Dylan, etc), being silver in appearance and (if tilted to catch the light) showing the area the contains the music and the part that is blank / unburnt.

Taking this back to the thread subject. Is everything that DB releases a CDR? If so, that's potentially a heck of a lot of albums to avoid or buy and then replace.

Cheers
LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Nerd
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 03:45 AM

LL,

yes, any CDR should be backed up if possible.

CDRs do not necessarily have a stick-on label; nowadays there are printers that can print right to the surface of a CDR making the paper label unnecessary.

No, not everything DB releases is a CDR. It's mostly the Leader/Trailer reissues he's put out that are CDRs.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 23 Feb 05 - 06:23 AM

You are absolutely right Nerd, but there is also an issue with "standard" CDs. There is speculation that some of the early ones, especially, can be affected by the same conditions that would degrade a CDR.

LL, the obvious way to back them up is as MP3 files, otherwise you could end up with a storage nightmare. However, you don't get owt for nowt, all those MB/GBs saved must mean some loss of quality, though damned if I can hear it.

Anyway, lets hope GuestMM is successful, although if he is, no doubt Mr B will still be smiling.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:20 AM

MP3s. Now theres an idea that could make everyone happy. If DB put all the albums he owns onto mp3, released them via a legal download site, we could all get the music we want, he could get the money, and the downloads could be monitored so there would be no problem with accounting.

The more I think about this, the better it sounds.
Any thoughts?
Anyone want to suggest it to him?

LL


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 02:00 AM

Great idea MP3 via a "legal" download site. Problem is that there would be figures that could be audited by the artistes involved - and of course there is your problem. Mr B keeps such potentially "expensive" information strictly under wraps. Jesus, it might even mean paying the artistes their due royalties!


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: red max
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:20 AM

I occasionally pass Mr B's house, and sometimes wonder if I should post a dog turd through the letter box


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 07:00 AM

What good would that do?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 01:06 PM

The street would be that little bit cleaner, heh!


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:27 PM

Thanks for the thought Red Max. But can we keep this civil plesae.
Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:28 PM


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 24 Feb 05 - 05:28 PM

I meant Please....Sorry!


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: red max
Date: 25 Feb 05 - 04:22 AM

Fair enough. By the way, I need to speak to Pete Coe about another matter, is it worth asking him about any progess with his old albums?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Music Mercenary
Date: 28 Feb 05 - 06:39 PM

Just to let whoever's interested know. I've got the MCPS-PRS Alliance investigating Mr. Bulmer.
I'll let you know what they dig up.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 09:51 AM

GUEST MM
I think a lot of people can't wait to see the results of your investigations.
Good Luck.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 04 Mar 05 - 01:27 PM

Guest MM
Why don't you contact Celtic Music directly.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:17 AM

All the latest on Celtic Music. Problems, what problems!

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Celtic Music is a record label which started life in late 1978 by releasing a record of "IONA" a band formed by Dave Bulmer, George Ormiston, Gordon Tyrall and Tony Wilson. The label became an extension of C M (Distribution) which had been in existence since 1974. Celtic Music began by issuing a series of four volumes of Irish tunebooks called "Music from Ireland" in 1974. The tunes in these books were initially collected from Irish musicians in Leeds from 1970 onwards by Dave Bulmer and Neil Sharpley and then later from musicians at Fleadh's in Ireland and the UK. These books became highly sought after, as they are today, and became much used throughout the Irish Music world as a teaching aid. Celtic Music began life in the record business selling the Leader /Trailer label alongside the tune books. The distribution of records was very much on a part time basis until the middle 1980's. The Celtic label released a few records throughout the early eighties, but really concentrated on distributing the folk labels which were available for independent distribution in the UK and Eire, in those days Rubber / Gael Linn / Tara / Claddagh /WEA Eire /Topic /Temple etc etc to specialist shops like Cecil Sharpe House, Colletts, and Dobells in London. In those days it was very difficult to find folk records in record shops. The distribution continued throughout the early eighties and, when IONA stopped touring began to widen its scope. In 1983 a visit to Midem (the world trade fair for the record industry) opened up new possibilities. That year CM Distribution was the only folk music distribution company from the UK represented at the event and achieved overseas sales for many of the UK folk labels it distriburted. In 1985 the company released one of the very first compact discs of folk music to be issued in the UK featuring the Albion Band. In 1986 the Distribution company bought its main rival, Making Waves, when it went into liquidation. At about the same time Celtic Music was then offered the chance to buy a number of record labels including Dambuster and Black Crow by their owners. During the late eighties the business grew and several new ventures were entered into with new partners. A studio was established in the late eighties, in Elsdon, Northumberland, with Geoff Heslop, Dick Gaughan, Neil Sharpley, and Dave Bulmer as partners. Many new albums were recorded there. Some of the artists were Celtic based, some were English traditional singers and some were contemporary songwriters. Recording at the studio cumulated in highly acclaimed Clan Alba album. Unfortunately around the mid nineties Geoff Heslop resigned from the partnership. The studio, without a manager, ceased recording any new material.

Among the most successful artists on the labels were The Kipper Family ,then Kathryn Tickell and Dick Gaughan both of the latter achieving "Q Albums of the Year" in the late eighties on the DAMBUSTER /BLACK CROW and CELTIC MUSIC labels respectively.

The distribution company faced a crisis in the late eighties as the vinyl pressing plant, which pressed most of the UK's folk labels, was under threat of closure. If that plant had closed then there was every possibility that many folk labels would end up on the rocks and the distribution of folk records would end up the same way. Finance was raised and C M Distribution bought into the pressing plant. The plant ran successfully, pressing about 3 million records a year, until early into the millennium when financial circumstances forced it to close.

In the early nineties there were many changes in the record industry with the new Compact Disc format taking over. Many record labels that had not pressed the format early on were left with high overheads and virtually no distribution as the major record chains in the country threw out the vinyl format almost overnight for the more profitable compact disc.

This turmoil continued for a number of years and Celtic Music was approached to purchase several other labels including the Leader/Trailer label. This label had been the subject of much discussion throughout the seventies, the eighties and the nineties. The label was sold several times. Firstly in 1982, by its original owner to another folk label, "Highway". Then that company sold the label to another company, "Sureshy" around 1986/7. "Sureshy" held the rights to the label until 1993 when it was purchased by Celtic Music. Celtic Music immediately released several titles on compact disc and has continued to do so as finance allows. Unfortunately several master tapes on the label were either damaged or missing when the catalogue was purchased. Fortunately the technology is now here to help restore these recordings to a satisfactory standard and many more releases are scheduled for the coming years. Nic Jones is one of the most discussed artists on the label but unfortunately his re-releases were held up for a number of years due to disputes over his publishing rights. This has led to much Internet discussion most of which is total speculation on behalf of those taking part.

In the late nineties the custom services division of the vinyl pressing plant experienced a demand for short run compact discs and an on demand system was developed for promotional runs of Recordable Compact Discs. As this technology became more and more reliable it became apparent that it was by far a better and a more reliable method of production for small runs of compact discs. It meant product on demand without the problems associated with pressing. It is the ideal method for a record label with a large back catalogue like Celtic Music. In fact some years after Celtic Music started using CD on demand for some of its back catalogue production a large classical record company, Nimbus, had major articles published in the music trade press stating that CD on demand had given the label a new lease of life, and without the technology most of their catalogue would never have been produced for sale again.

Distribution methods are changing worldwide and the retail sector is suffering from falling sales, which are mainly migrating to the Internet. The recent demise in the UK of Andy's, Our Price,Tower and Coda record chains attest to this. The distribution company continues to service specialist retail outlets and some of the major chains that are interested in selling specialist music. Future sales of specialist back catalogue in general will, in all probability, end up being sold directly from the label or their distributor. With the retail sector only handling major new releases. What goes around, comes around. Its' just like the seventies all over again.

The label is not bankrupt as previous entries on this page suggest.

In fact recordings from Celtic Music's back catalogue will be issued regularly through its various distribution channels for the forseeable future. If anyone wishes to receive any further information please contact the label by email:

celticmusic@northworks.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 09:38 PM

Hasn't things gone quiet?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,(a different one)
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 10:02 PM

So now we finally have a statement, of sorts, from Dave Bulmer. Whether it's entirely truthful is moot (and it certainly fails to address some very important questions, most particularly whether or not royalties are being paid), but you'll probably have to wait a little while for a response from those of our correspondents who are directly involved. Dick Gaughan doesn't post here, which is a pity as his name is being taken in vain.

Be patient. The people who had their recordings bought from over their heads have had to be.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Guest: Java Jive
Date: 16 May 05 - 02:06 PM

Just for factual info ...

MbM are supplying Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/size=20&store-name=music&index=music&field-label=Music%20By%20Mail/026-658

I bought Barbara Dickson's "From The Beggar's Mantle" by this means. The CD, not CD-R, is by Phonograph, "Licensed from the Decca Music Group Ltd, a division of Universal Music Group". It's distributed by MbM.

I don't see any MCPS/PRS info or logos on the CD or packaging, but I think p*ssing of Decca by not paying due royalties would probably be more than it's worth. Besides, if I've understood the conversation above correctly, they're paid by the presser, not the distributor, who would presumably be Phonograph (although I suppose they could be a related offshoot)? Also, as posted in previous incarnations of this thread, Barbara Dickson has (last time I looked) information on her site about obtaining this album from MbM. So I presume in this case at least the artist is getting due entitlement.

However, I think I will refrain from buying other albums in the link until the royalty situation is clarified.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Robin
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 06:14 AM

Has anyone (a) bought any of the Nic Jones CDs (b)discovered whether he will be paid royalties from them?


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Robin
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 06:24 AM

(I mean the reissued 'Ballads and Songs'/'Nic Jones' CDs, obviously)


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Java Jive
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 11:38 PM

Sadly, I have been reliably informed that Nic is not receiving/will not receive royalties from purchases of the above CDs/CD-Rs.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 01:45 PM

Sorry but it would seem that your source is not as reliable as it may appear.

Nic Jones was actually sent royalties but his wife refused to cash the cheques.

There must be more to this than the rumour and heresay in these postings.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: treewind
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:33 PM

There probably is, but those who know aren't posting details, surely for one good reason or another.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:40 PM

Hi GUEST,guest.
Absolutely true.
You work out why.
R.


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:43 PM

Anahata
Just missed you in the post!
As I missed you at Broadstairs!!
Barb enjoyed it though.
See you all soon.
Kind Regards Ralphie


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 04:49 PM

Cashing a cheque for a disputed amount is tantamount to accepting that the payment is correct isnt it ? Could one of the legal experts confirm ??


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Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:10 PM

Depends on the circumstances Leadfingers but it would certainly put you at a disadvantage in any future legal action.


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