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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Jun 07 - 03:47 PM

From an article on the fighting in Gaza:

""Today everybody is with Hamas because Hamas won the battle. If Fatah had won the battle they'd be with Fatah. We are a hungry people, we are with whoever gives us a bag of flour and a food coupon," said Yousef, 30. "Me, I'm with God and a bag of flour.""


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 07:25 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Michael Moore - 9/11 could be inside job
From: McGrath of Harlow - PM
Date: 23 Jun 07 - 04:59 PM

For once I find myself agreeing with bearded bruce in that last post of his. Discussions, however heated, should always involve responding to what people have actually said, and what is actually implied by that, not setting up Aunt Sallies we can easily knock down.

Our aim shouldn't be to "win an argument", but to explore and understand differences, and sometimes discover unexpected points where we actually agree.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:23 PM

well, that is indeed a fine sentiment, Bruce. Does this mean we'll not be getting any more posts beginning with:

"...so you're saying that..."?

If it is your intention to hold to the claim of "...and you don't find me putting words in their mouths to try to slant the argument.", you will need to be VERY careful.

I totally agree that exploring & understanding should be the main goal, even as we seek to be sure OUR opinion is well represented....but humans being what they are, good intentions will slip....


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 09:17 AM

"From: John 'Giok' MacKenzie - PM
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 04:44 AM

The one thing that people with sincerely held beliefs can't stand, is other people with sincerely held beliefs. Well ones that contradict theirs anyway.
Accept other people's views, and get on with life, you will never get everybody to agree with you, live with it!
G. "


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 02:41 PM

Not intended as political, but too true to let it fade away...

THANK YOU, Joe!






From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 02:34 PM

.....
But as for rash generalizations - They Drive Me Bonkers!!!
(and there are many such generalizations in this thread)

I think Mudcat needs a new slogan:
Think Grey.
Too many people see things only in black-and-white. In my experience, very few things in life are all right or all wrong. Most things, experiences, people, and groups have both good and bad aspects.

'nuff said.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 03:28 PM

Non Partisan political comment:
Bah Humbug.
A plague on both their houses.
Get thee behind me!

Well, I guess that was 3 comments,huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 04:07 PM

There is a notion that there is a "centrist" position in a political spectrum. I consider that
a myth. Because of upbringing, environmental attitudes, philosophy of the importance of
being a nurturer or an authoritarian (see George Lakoff on this), people develop ideas about governing very early. The problem is how to address the partisanship that grows out of radically different world views. A sense of justice sometimes leads to a kind of self-righteous anger which obscures the need for resolving differences in a peaceful and logical manner. Sometimes though, accomodation is not a good thing. Compromise weakens certain positions that are taken that may be unpopular but nonetheless good for society.
Women's rights, for example. Abolition. The repeal of child labor laws. The idea is that it's "good to get along and not go along."

I think the thread here is problematic in that partisanship is built in to the political system.
There is a position or a neutralizing or weakening of that position. Accomodation as for example in the aforementioned social movements is often harmful and regressive to those movements. The solution to polarized views is not anger or "my way or the highway". The solution is understanding the rationale behind a point of view that you don't agree with.
This in no way makes it necessary for you to agree with it but what it does is shed light on
why people think and behave certain ways. An exchange of honest ideas becomes apparent when the adversarial role of anger is lessened but adversarial debate is at the heart of the American experience. That's why we have lawyers and habeas corpus.

Also, the solution is dealing with the issues rather than the personalities. I think it's possible to extricate the anger and "line in the sand" approach and focus on the real issues. When this is done, I think we see more agreement on many so-called "polarizing" issues. For example, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". We can mostly agree on this goal without agreeing on how to get there.

We need also to see past the labels. Labeling presents a way of distorting issues by making certain assumptions as to how a person believes. For example, communism.
I think it becomes important to ask "what kind of communism are we talking about here?"
Even fascism has different patterns ie: Mussolini style as opposed to Hitler's Nazism.
We need to define our terms more precisely so that we can agree on what we are discussing. Name-calling is a power move to avoid the issue.

So I think partisanship is inevitable if you arrived at a passionate view of what you think of as being just and fair. There are those who refuse to take a stand on anything and this is
probably a kind of weak-kneed accomodation or a position that hasn't yet been thought out. Partisanship is not the problem. The problem is how we learn to deal with it. Anger and inflexibility doesn't serve. A willingness to see the other person's point-of-view and respect for that person even if you don't agree is a key.

There is a problem in dealing with these issues and that is one of "sociopathy". There are criminals in the world. For them, it's about power and not discovering truth. Here, society plays a role by identifying them, isolating them and shining a light on this behavior. I think that many nations of the world saw that with Hitler and Stalin and responded constructively.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 05:14 PM

" The solution is understanding the rationale behind a point of view that you don't agree with.
This in no way makes it necessary for you to agree with it but what it does is shed light on
why people think and behave certain ways."


Hear, Hear!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 08:29 PM

While recognizing that the world isn't really black and white, how does one vote gray?


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 06:30 PM

Most people vote gray, Dick. They may not agree with all that the candidate purports.
Voting has become an excercise in relativity. Who is the least harmful? The perpetual disease of "lesser of two evils" reigns over the voting process.

The solution to this is Instant Runoff Voting because this is about the closest we are
going to get to a democratic election. Two choices are given, the person you really want and then the runner-up. Chances are that the one who receives the most votes will be elected,
not like now, where the leading candidates can steal elections.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: autolycus
Date: 28 Dec 07 - 12:37 PM

How do you know when you have understood the rationale of another position.

I've met people who think the fact that you continue to argue with them demonstrates you haven't understood.

iow, to understand means to agree.


   Ivor


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Dec 07 - 02:00 PM

Thought this might be an appropriate place to share the following:

THE false can never grow into truth by growing in power.
-- Rabindranath Tagore, "Stray Birds"


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: autolycus
Date: 29 Dec 07 - 05:10 AM

This is particularly difficult when arguing with those for whom arguing with their views means you're attacking them. And if they had to agree, they'd crumble as a person. Or something.

Ivor


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Dec 07 - 05:51 PM

I try to maintain a dialogue by sticking to the facts of the disputed issue as closely as I can.   It is possible for facts to be analyzed, disputed or agreed upon without ego problems entering in and destroying the dialogue. What I try to do in introducing an idea that may not be accepted is to say "In my personal experience I have found.......". This may not always work if I am going to be attacked for my position regardless.

I think there has to be an element of trust between the people who are engaging in this kind of dialogue. I try to find some area of agreement without having to agree on everything.

I can agree that someone's personal experience might be different from my own. I can also keep a questioning mind about an issue that I might feel sure about. There is always a possibility that I could be wrong about something. I try to look for answers rather than try to win an argument. It's pointless to try to win because this is not convincing.

I think it's possible to get along without having to go along.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 07:13 AM

This is a quote I cannot resist having preserved:

"Nothing intrinsically impossible about that either - it just doesn't seem to square with the evidence. "


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 11:18 AM

"Cowardice asks the question: 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the question: 'is it politic?' Vanity asks the question: 'Is it popular?' But conscience asks the question: 'Is it right'," saying, "there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because one's conscience tells one what is right."


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 08:41 AM

Eisenhower: "Too far to the left, and too far to the right of the middle of the road are the gutters."


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 06:53 AM

from Ebbie:

"The arrogance of people who know they are right has always been scary. And dangerous. "



Too true, on BOTH ( all?) sides of the issues.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Aug 08 - 05:04 PM

Adopted from a post by GUEST,Volgadon


I don't disagree with _______'s cause, it's their methods and fanatic bigotry I have a problem with.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 01:29 PM

got to preserve this one, for future reference:


From: Amos - PM
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 11:11 AM

The kind of carping and snidity that some folks have to resort too would be funny, if it weren't sduch a sorry reflection on their condition.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Amos
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 02:07 PM

"History was made last night when the Democratic Party nominated Illinois Sen. Barack Obama as its candidate for president of the United States. He's the first African-American presidential nominee of a major party.

Both newly-tapped vice presidential candidate Joe Biden, the senior senator from Delaware, and former President Bill Clinton took to the Pepsi Center stage to rally behind Obama and encourage other Democrats to do the same.

But perhaps the more emotional high point came earlier yesterday as Sen. Senator Hillary Clinton set aside months of political rivalry, and motioned to have Obama declared the Democratic nominee by acclamation."

NPR


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 02:32 PM

I think it is the two party system that polarizes people. Like the Crips and the Bloods, Sunni and Shia. Catholics and Protestants, All ways at war.

Why should anyone have to belong to a party? Mainly because of the money. You can't get the money it takes to get elected unless you have party backing. Let's get rid of the money. Let's get rid of the parties.

It is just like the race factor. Why do we have to say Black man or White man? all that does is poke a stick in someones eye.

And the media is whipping it up all they can to make more money off of the conflict. People write books to capitalize on the conflict.

This is not to say the world can or should be a perfect place but we would be better off if we used the energy expended in arguing on other things to improve the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:49 AM

Since the clone did not see the above message claiming the guest post, let me try again:

"From: Amos
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 11:03 AM

Humans have a deep need to make others wrong in order to feel right about themselves. ....

Those who are the most afraid of their own "wrongness" will be the most assertive about finding those faults in others they most detest in themselves.

A "
Bruce, I don't actually read these threads and there's a good chance any of us might miss subsequent ownership claims.
Please just re-post your comments and we'll delete the previous no-name messages. Thank you. -Moderator


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:22 PM

Knowing it was said in a highly partisan manner, but seeing the application, I wish to preseve the following by Amos for future use:



"WHat on earth are you referring to? Don't you ever get tired of making unfounded, unreferenced statements? DO you really expect others to accept your armwaving as facts? "


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:12 PM

I suggest that you follow the intent of my post and include its context, there, Bruce. It was intended for the context into which it was placed.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:37 PM

Politics by nature is partisan. A non-partisan comment is not a comment about politics.

A person who is not involved in politics is probably in no position to comment about it because they probably don't know much about it.

A cross platform response could be made that:
1. Politics is bought, these days. More public financing and media time would help
both parties.
2. Having a workable economy would help both parties, the working and the investor
class.
3. A concentration on issues rather than ad hominem personal attacks would be
more useful for society.
4. Reactivating civics classes in the school system would enable citizens to be
better informed.
5. American citizens should be required to read the US Constitution.
6. De-emphasizing personalities in favor of those who have the real requirements
for political office would solve a lot of disputes and bring forth political executive
talent.

Frank Hamilton (and I approve this message)


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:17 PM

All true, Stringsinger...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:44 PM

From: Amos - PM
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:02 AM

Waving you arms and declaring things true in loud, condemnatory tones does not make it true.

.....



From: Amos - PM
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:18 AM

Ya know what? Your wild-eyed, foaming generalizations are really, really, really boring. Your negativity is so ineffectual it isn't even dampening, and your "facts" are so full of holes you shouldn't be caught wearing them outdoors.

Get a life, or get a brain, or both.





Do I hear a pot calling out?????


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 07:23 PM

LOL!

Well, my feeling is that with all the arm waving Amos has been doing lately, he might become the first human being to attain flight without the aid of a machine or vehicle of some kind.

Funny, though, how we perceive others, isn't it? When we do it, it's carefully reasoned commentary. When they do it, it's hysterical "arm waving".

My take on this? You're both wrong. (grin)


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 04 Nov 08 - 05:10 PM

More from Amos:

"I am not going to be lured into your posturing rhetoric, while you pretend you have not seen the evidence, because it would not much matter to you WHAT evidence appeared; your mind is made up in a frozen rut of militant justification, which no reason can thaw."


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 09:07 PM

"They do work toward reaching compromise and achieving the unity that you describe, but compromise does not equate to capitulation of the ideals for which they are fighting."

WFDU - Ron Olesko -



I don't think he meant this to apply to ALL SIDES, but it does...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 02:07 PM

From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 31 May 10 - 11:13 AM

Then come back and tell me that I get the respect for my views which they demand from me , and I'll spit in your eye and call you a bloody liar.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 03:23 PM

How come it took you two years to craft a post with three words of your own and a quote, bruce?

I note, going back to your original post in the thread, you were on about being non-partisan...

I once met someone who claimed that vodka was a non-alcoholic drink.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 04:28 PM

" I would like to share some of the observations that I have read here, in a non-partisan way. "


I fail to see how my post was partisan- the statement I quoted has no party affiliation, nor is it only true for one side.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 05:32 PM

Vodka...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:50 AM

The federal government has a duty to protect us from Libertarians. They claim to be non-partisan but are anything but.

There are no non-partisan political comments to be made.

The Founding Fathers of the US were not non-partisan in their defense of the Constitution.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 07:40 AM

""From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 31 May 10 - 11:13 AM

Then come back and tell me that I get the respect for my views which they demand from me , and I'll spit in your eye and call you a bloody liar.
""

Just goes to show the lengths some people will go to, in trying to support the insupportable.

I am sure that BB knows that the above quote fom me was extracted, and taken out of context, from an argument with British members about British politics.

But hell Bruce, why let the truth get in the way of winning the argument eh?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM

Don T,

THIS thread was started to have a place for significant statements that I thought demonstrated Truth or Validity. The quote o your I posted seemed to be one that applies TO ALL SIDES.

If you think otherwise, feel free- I have no control over YOUR thoughts.

Do you REALLY think that you should GET respect that YOU deny to those you disagree with???


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 03:38 PM

""Do you REALLY think that you should GET respect that YOU deny to those you disagree with???""

My political comment is, for the most part, aimed at the ineptitudes and stupidities of politicians.

While I often attack political opinions which I consider naive or dishonest, I do not make personal attacks upon others here who disagree with my stance, unless I suffer personal attacks from them.

Having identified myself as a British Tory voter, such attacks are now a daily occurrence from a small group of people who lack the good manners to allow others the freedom to speak without being slandered or ridiculed.

Thus far, I am managing not to respond in kind, having been brought up and educated (at Grammar school) to behave in a gentlemanly fashion. Would that some of our University and Law school graduates had the same upbringing.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 03:25 PM

"My political comment is, for the most part, aimed at the ineptitudes and stupidities of politicians."


Which is a reason that I have noted it as a piece of wisdom seen here that I wished to record in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 16 Dec 16 - 09:26 AM

Not strictly politican, but a bit of Trurth.



From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 16 Dec 16 - 09:00 AM

You can meet the challenge of getting accurate news by adopting several strategies. First, approach information in an objective, non-partisan, open-minded way. Otherwise you will get only the news that you want to hear. Second, avoid tendentious-minded sources. Websites run by lobbies and pressure groups, or which you know to be excessively right- or left-wing, or by one political strand out of many, can be relied on to provide very lopsided news. Third, learn how to spot tabloidism. There was a headline in the Mail a couple of days ago that referred to "arch-remoaner Ben Bradshaw." That guarantees two things: a biased report coming up, and a report that mixes news with comment. If you see that it should disqualify that paper permanently in your mind as a reliable source. Fourth, newspapers and telly news bulletins have a limited amount of space/time. Someone has to decide what's in or out, how much should be given to each item and in what order they are presented. The only round this is to look at as many different sources as possible of the kinds that have jumped through the hoops described in points one to three.

In other words, use your brain. Accept nothing without evidence and/or corroboration. Healthy scepticism is a wonderful thing. And don't automatically diss a source that you disagree with. It's quite likely that it's you who's wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 18 - 10:32 AM

...avoid tendentious-minded sources. Websites run by lobbies and pressure groups...

Well, that pretty much leaves out Faux News, Breitbart, the "Freedom Caucus"[sic] and all the rest of the tRump supporting and enabling media.

It also leaves out Bruce.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:17 PM

refresh

PFR,
I understand your pm comments, and agree with many- But JC has DEMANDED that the rest of us come up with solutions. He has none, except to always say that the Israelis should let themselves be killed. Not a viable solution, IMHO.

Feel free to start a thread- no qualifications are needed.

" [not your wildly exaggerated comical misinterpretation
of what that word means..] "

Not sure what you mean here- "a humanist musician, artist, or writer
enduring life under the current right wing Israeli regime... " implies that you consider those listed as being somehow persecuted by the right.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:33 PM

This is an illegitimate use of this thread. However, nice to be reminded that I came out with a bit of truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:39 PM

not neccessarily 'persecuted' - how would I know that without commiting to research I simply have no time for...

But a lifetime's experience informs my reasonable judgement that at least more than a few may be 'persevering' and 'enduring'...

I personally know that much just from entering culturally active adulthood under thatcher's regime in the 1980s...

Obviously, I or close friends, and contemporaries weren't made to 'disappear'..
But that was happening in other right wing nation's that thatcher's govt were very good friends with...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:44 PM

Steve - Bruce has resurrected this thread to continue an open discussion with me, for as long as it's viable..
I think that's fair enough..


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:45 PM

I know you do. However, the legitimate thing is to open a new thread. Note that Jim has just done that. There are right ways and wrong ways...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 May 18 - 12:50 PM

And last time, I opened a new thread and was told there were threads open that I should have used.

MY INTENT in CREATING this thread was to discuss Truth- And I consider that the conversation might well do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 18 - 03:55 PM

Well I suppose it might just rear up one day and bite you on the bum. Until then, no chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 May 18 - 03:56 PM

Yeah, too many far Left folks here to find much Truth.

But one can hope.


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