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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 May 05 - 06:30 PM

You've got people so crammed into roles and you ASSUME they'll follow your


sorry about that...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 May 05 - 06:23 PM

and from Jeri...


You've got people so crammed into roles and you ASSUME they'll follow your

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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 May 05 - 06:17 PM

and from McGrath of Harlow


"Comments are free but facts are sacred."


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Apr 05 - 03:32 PM

A stereotype is just something people make up in their own minds, and they use it to clothe their raging fears and hatreds. Then they go around trying to dress other people up in the false clothing they made for them. (And we probably all do it at times, so it would be best to watch one's own thoughts carefully so as to weed out this nasty tendency, wouldn't it?)


from Little Hawk


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 08:25 PM

I would like to thank each and everyone who contributed. There were some great questions posed. Obviously I don't have the answers, just aspirations.

From the Curator, on the thread 'Why should Britan remain in Northern Ireland', which has been good natured, sensible discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 12:49 AM

you lot can intellectualise and pontificate as much as you like..

but if ever you and your family and friends are at the bottom of the shit heap
with no private savings or inherited wealth to help you surface from the mire..



"I doubt very much if the extremists on BOTH sides can let this thread stay reasonable, but I would like to share some of the observations that I have read here, in a non-partisan way. I think that some of these may be among the great truths of the world Then again, I could be wrong..."


sorry.. 'non-partisan'..!!!???????



"great truths of the world " ???


ha.. ha.. lend us a tenner [££££] until i can get the wifes wedding ring
back out of the pawn shop...


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Apr 05 - 12:35 AM

and from GUEST...


I have no problem with people speaking their piece. I am only annoyed when people try to censor others because they don't like the opinion being expressed.



A pity that so many people here do not seem to feel this way......


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Mar 05 - 08:09 PM

and from Amos...


Decency, courtesy, and a respect for the underlying commonalities will always make for a lively and interesting dialogue amongst those of differing ideas.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Mar 05 - 06:24 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Frankham
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 01:11 PM

P.S.

Here's a bi-partisan solution. Use the Diebold and E.S.and S. machines as printers and not counters. Use the paper as ballots and have them hand-counted at the local precincts. This will eliminate Technofraud.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Frankham
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 01:08 PM

There are two sides of the issue about open minds.

1. It's good to see the other person's point of view with objectivity.
2. An open mind is an empty one that has no convictions.

I believe in the right for people to think for themselves. What happens when you do that is often you are accused of being partisan.

I like to stick to issues. Then I like to see different sides of that issue and make up my own mind.

When it comes to Democrats and Republicans, I see demogoguery on both sides. I believe that both Parties have sold themselves out to monied corporate sponsorship and interests.

I believe that our votes were rigged in the last elections. Both Democrats and Republicans have refused to deal with this issue.
In short, our votes don't count any more.

Voting is a bi-partisan issue and unless America wakes up and sees the fraud in the election system, we, as a country, will be reduced to at best, a corrupt government and at worst, a fascist dictatorship.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 09:21 PM

see the first post here:


"but I would like to share some of the observations that I have read here, in a non-partisan way. I think that some of these may be among the great truths of the world Then again, I could be wrong..."


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Mar 05 - 07:22 PM

the whole point of politics is to be partisan.

you gotta choose.

You don't have to like the choice, but they are the guys who bothered to devote their lives to attending political meetings - as a result they got into the position where you have to choose one of them.

I often wonder how many people who complain so much about the system actually join a political party and try to change things from within.

I suppose if I were a Republican party activist, I'd feel angry that Arnie has got the job he has - rather than somebody who has put the hours in. Still he won for them - so I suppose that proves he has a right to be where he is.

I wonder if he will be a President of the whole country.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 10:45 PM

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

and

...a new nation: conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

honest, relevant and non partisan, IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 10:39 PM

honest
non-partisan
relevant

...pick any two.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 10:37 PM

Is that a general comment, or one about me?

I know I know I disagree with some people, but that's me reaching a diffrent conclusion, not not listening, I thought.

Bunnhabhain


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 10:36 PM

Bearded Bruce? Have you been told today? No? Well, I will be happy to tell you then. Flip off! You flippin' goof.

- BDiBR


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 10:24 PM

Spoken by a man with no ears....


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Mar 05 - 10:11 PM

Discussions can be had on very contentious issues, but everybody has to be careful, and willing to listen, or they will get nasty and pointless.

Bunnahbhain.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 09:26 PM

BDiBR,

"Okay. I am not sure, like, what the flip you people are goin' on about here but..."


Your statement is entirely correct- You don't.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 08:12 PM

Got my vote....


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 06:30 PM

Okay. I am not sure, like, what the flip you people are goin' on about here but...

Waht I want to say is that you can all flippin' vote fer me when I flippin' run fer office on the independent tikcet. And I will. I have decided to take the bull by the flippin' mungoberries and throw my hat in the ring, eh? In the next election. Whenever that is.

You will know my hat by the flippin' logo. It says, "I'm with the idiot -->". Either that or I will use the hat that says, "Go Leafs Go!". Whichever.

My plattform is simple. I will guarnatee that there will be enuff beer for everyone for the next 10 years even if there is a World shortage, meanin'...eveyone in my consistuency will have all the beer they can flippin' drink even if Quebec ain't got none at all! Let 'em drink water, eh? That'll teach them frogs to put up and shut up.

I will also make sure that there is lap dancing in every mucinipalaty totally legal, eh? NO more prudism!

That's my plan. I figger to get outta jail pretty soon. Maybe next month, eh? That's if Snake don't try to kill me. If he does, I will have to get tough with him and that could spoil my good behavier record, eh? I hope that does not happen.

- BDiBR


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 04:47 PM

However, prejudiced contributions without waiting for the result of inquiries are the backbone of all Mudcat political discussions.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 09:27 AM

The point of my idea my idea is that the constituency would not be voting for the party, because parties would be precluded by 2.

The parliament would consist of one individual MP for each constituency, each of whom would be required to reflect the views of that constituency, and no other.

I suddenly realised that, in such a system, proportional representation would be impossible, as it is a party concept, meaningless without parties.

I can see that the choice of a cabinet, and prime minister would be difficult, and time consuming, but surely the "Sir Humphreys" could maintain status quo for a week or two.

In this situation, a vote of no confidence in an under-performing MP would make it possible to enforce adherence to the "constituency loyalty" principle.

Non partisan, apolitical, government! The way forward?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 07:14 AM

Ahhh. one of the old problems....

If you have PR, then the constituency doesn't always get the person, or even the party they mainly voted for.

If you don't have PR, the the goverment doesn't reflect the way the country votes well

And hybred systems, like the one the Scottish Parliment are not much better. The constituancies the MSPs share are so large so as to be useless.

Removing someone if you don't like how they represented you in Parliment is called the next election. Much else is a bit fussy on a local scale.

2. Also, I feel that all candidates should renounce any, and all, political affiliations, except to their constituents, as a pre-condition to being selected.

Well, we did have a large number of legislators independent of the party system. The cross-benchers in the House of Lords, and the civil service.
So The goverment abolishes half the first, and does its best to corrupt the other

Sorry about the thread drift.

It may be worth repeating the old one though.

"Anybody who seeks a position of power should not be considered for it."

Or something like that. I never remember quotes right.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 06:20 AM

I've been moaning about the iniquitous state of government (UK) for many years, and as far as I can see the one thing that never happens is a governmaent that reflects the will of the nation (any nation).

Some thoughts on a possible solution:-

1. Proportional representation, based on total number of votes gained, would go some way toward achieving the democracy we all talk about, but don't have.

2. Also, I feel that all candidates should renounce any, and all, political affiliations, except to their constituents, as a pre-condition to being selected.

3. It should be possible for a constituency to call their representative to account for actions taken in their name, and remove/replace him if the answers are not satisfactory.

I suggest the above as a general cocept which would, if properly controlled, answer the concerns of most of us. I freely admit I don't have a clue as to how it could be practically achieved, but then Verner von Brauntook a long time to move from the concept of rocketry, to a practical ICBM. But he got there!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 03:46 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 08:17 AM

A two party, two corporation system (via mega mergers) will insure diversity, competition and freedom.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Feb 05 - 01:14 AM

another one I swiped from Joe Offer...

...hysterical tabloid smear journalism is just not credible to reasonable people, and it detracts from the credibility of those who want to acknowledge the faults of the (insert whatever here) and to set up structures that will help prevent these things from happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Feb 05 - 06:01 PM

Fundamentalists are aggessive, intolerant, and legalistic. They exist in almost every creed. Their aim is to destroy anyone who doesn't agree with them or doesn't exist their imposition of beliefs upon others. I think you could say there are fundamentalist liberals, too; and even fundamentalist atheists.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Feb 05 - 07:02 PM

"It is the mark of intellectual weakness to attack on a personal level that which you cannot refute."

Big Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 08:03 PM

No arguement at all!


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 07:50 PM

" It's the lawyers that are the problem. We'll try writing laws that don't need experts to interpret them."

How is that for a non-partisan, but unfortunatly incredibly unlikley political statement?

Bunnahabhain


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Feb 05 - 07:37 PM

Not political, but worthy of thought...



"My father's definition of religion is: "The Awe in which we hold our ignorance." "
                               Robomatic


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:01 AM

Lifted from the latest DNRC newsletter:

Highly intelligent and well-informed people disagree on every political issue. Therefore, intelligence and knowledge are useless for making decisions, because if any of that stuff helped, then all the smart people would have the same opinions.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 11:33 PM

Bazoukis:

Thank you.

Actually I like what I see of the British form of government. They stand up and argue over a set of books while supporters mutter here here. And their court system makes more sense. The lawyers are out of control here in the US.

Old Guy


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Chris Green
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:51 PM

Old Guy, for once I am able in part to agree with you! You're right, the political class worldwide is out of touch with the people it purports to represent and tends to represent itself and its own interests - however, this is unfortunately the nature of the political beast. I don't really know enough about the mechanics of the political process in your country to suggest how this could be changed, but something does need to be done.

You're right as well that probably are some bugs that need ironing out in the system that you've proposed, but it's nice to see that we do have some common ground after all!


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 23 Oct 04 - 03:03 PM

I know everybody here thinks I am a rabid right winger.

The fact is I am not a republican or a democrat. I am a conservative.

I think the two party system we have is reaching a critical mass.

It needs to be done away with. Political advertising should be done for free by the press, radio and TV networks as a required public service. Equal but limited time must be given to all candidates, even the weasels who have no chance of winning a position as a dog catcher.

All of these media are looking for something to present to the American public so let them present the candidate at their expense. Do not support it with public money because you will have endless Sharptons running.

There are probably flaws in this plan but they could be worked out.

Now how in holy hell is this going to come about when we have lawyers and politicians making the laws?

If it is not done we will have anarchy, riots, revolutions or coups like we see in 3rd world countrys.

Should we just turn it over to the UN? The UN is corrupt.

Something must be done. Possibly McCain and Lieberman in 08 could start us in the right direction. They are highly regarded by both parties (Rival Gangs).

Old Guy


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 10:16 PM

Touble is, politicians think the economy is their responsibility when, in fact, they should be concerned, foremost,with the education, health and welfare of the citizenry.

Just read a market analysis that says, regardless of who is the next president, we are headed for an economic downslide that make the depression of the 30's look like a hiccup.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Oct 04 - 02:28 PM

Yeah - and if you do care, vote for either Bush or Kerry... at least, if you want your vote, whether it's counted or not, to count, as the Boondocks guy put it so well.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 09:14 PM

But I really like...

"A utah line-   A guy came up to me and put a gun to my head and said who are you going to vote for- Bush or Kerry?   I thought about it for a few seconds and said shoot me. "


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 07:39 PM

and Rapaire, again...



"Who gives a s**t who endorses whom?

Vote whoever you think would be best for the US.

Vote for Bush, vote for Kerry, vote for Badnarik, vote for Nader -- I don't care. But vote for your choice (hopefully, a well-considered one). "


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 02:38 PM

Video of Jon Stwart on CNN Crossfire.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 01:41 PM

Yeah.... And nobody mentions the great tread mill,that delivers all we desire......Except ,happiness, fulfillment, peace, love and care for our brothers and sisters, REAL freedom, care for the environment,
ect ect..
All this talk of political parties is irrelevant....Teribus once said "Capitalism is an econmic system, not an ideology"
But he was wrong!    The ideology of capitalism has seeped into the bones of most of us,and it will take many generations and im afraid much bloodshed to change it.
Unlike the Communist empire, the leaders of capitalism will fight to the last drop of our blood to retain their power.
We will never have a fair ,non partisan world till the disease is removed at the roots....Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 11:30 AM

Question raised in same discussion as above: Do you think that on Tuesday next, we will actually KNOW who is going to be president?


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Oct 04 - 11:26 AM

Someone asked me who I thought had the better character, Bush or Kerry. I replied that I thought that the character of the individual running for president is, or at least ought to be, irrelevent - when this nation was formed, a lot of safeguards were put into place to ensure that the president could not become like a king, dictator, emperor, or other single leader; therefore, the point is not who is the mouthpiece for the administration, the point is the administration that has the temporary upper hand.

I also agree that being doomed to failure is no excuse for not trying. Hey, I live in Virginia!


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 08:26 PM

From Rapaire


"If I've learned nothing else over the years, I've learned that nothing is as simple as you'd like it."


And


"Another thing I've learned is to stop trying to find someone to blame and instead find a solution -- and to learn from the mistake that was made."


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: DougR
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 01:29 AM

BB: sorry if I screwd up your thread. Didn't intend to. Sometimes it becomes very difficult not to write what you think at the moment though. On with the NON-Partisan comments!

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 10:57 PM

Seriously, I did like the comment. As I stated ( somewhere above) I think there are some basic truths that can be gleaned from Mudcat, and I think we should try to collect them. It is a pity that so many people on both sides of every issue can be so blind to the wisdom often presented here.


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Subject: RE: BS: NON-Partisan political comments
From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 10:49 PM

Thanks, BB! Sorry if I seemed argumentative, I thought I was just offering an important distinction.

A


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