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songwriter message board war

GUEST,guest junkietoo 20 Jul 04 - 08:27 PM
GUEST 20 Jul 04 - 08:27 PM
GUEST 20 Jul 04 - 08:29 PM
Bill D 20 Jul 04 - 09:15 PM
Amos 20 Jul 04 - 09:44 PM
Bill D 20 Jul 04 - 10:03 PM
The Fooles Troupe 20 Jul 04 - 11:48 PM
erinmaidin 21 Jul 04 - 04:41 AM
Stephen L. Rich 22 Jul 04 - 02:04 AM
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Subject: songwriter message board war
From: GUEST,guest junkietoo
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 08:27 PM

the following appeared on a bands message board today


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Subject: RE: songwriter message board war
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 08:27 PM

God
what an annoying gig. No offence to the organiser (a mate of mine)
but basically due to a few pull-outs out with his control the nature
of the event was seriously compromised and the audience reduced to a
group of locals who didn't necessarily understand the music being
made. there were some very nice, welcoming and appreciative members
of the audience who made us and everyone else welcome, but there were
plenty of drunken idiots there too. they'd been getting progressively
colder and more drunk all day and really not receptive.
as soon as we arrived we had to go straight onstage (not much fun
after a three hour car journey) to do a short preliminary set. I
understand that they had to fill the time but we weren't really
inspired or in the right headspace to play. a very beautiful version
of 'undertow' resulted however... which was greeted with mass
indifference. the soundman had had a few too many and kept coming
back to the sound-desk to fiddle about with things which I always
find annoying, and - as the desk was right next to dunc - he kept
stumbling in such a way as to push dunc's mike away from him and
seriously compromising his performance. the out-front sound was
apparently fine but on the stage it was pretty terrible (though it
improved in the second set.
by the time we finished the first set I was feeling pretty murderous,
and yet worse was to come!
our friends Mick's kitchen played very nicely and wisely chose a
selection of crowd-pleasers. however, when you know you've got to
entertain a crowd whose favourite songs include 'the mountain dew',
'the Irish rover', 'whiskey in the jar' etc you know it's time to
pack up and go home.
We didn't - we're troopers after all - but I actually felt the need
to explain at the start of our set that we didn't do other people's
songs and were actually professional songwriters. indeed, this seemed
to work as people then weren't expecting other peoples hits and
listened to our stuff and we actually went down very well indeed -
new stuff and old going down very well - as well as weird stuff like
'house carpenter'. so far so good! Then I made the terrible mistake
of introducing 'don't sit on my jimmy shands'. I carefully said that
we loved jimmy shand and that this was a tribute to him and his music
BUT... an alcoholic, foul-mouthed Scottish pensioner/harridan took
offence and thought we were taking the piss out of jimmy! She then
proceeded to scream, SCREAM abuse at us. we tried to make light of
it, tried to explain that we were jimmy shand fans and even had some
of his records but she wasn't listening. it was clear that she
intended to ruin the evening for everyone and was obviously well-
known locally as being a terror as none of the embarrassed locals
dared to try and shut her up. she even came up and danced in my face
like marco on big brother! only for a second because i gave her a
look of pure poison which sent her back to her seat but redoubled her
shouting.
eventually i snapped and said something like "well, let's not even
f###ing play it" and then we dived into a very good matty groves and
walked off. we refused an encore and cut our set short by 30 minutes!
ten minutes later we were back on the road.
good gigs are wonderful, bad gigs are the worst, especially when
you're playing well and the majority of the audience was into it. it
seems that either the advertising for the gig was none-existent or
that the once-thriving folk scene down there has gone to the dogs.
basically i compromised the new hall brothers ground rules to do that
gig and we'll NEVER do that again. here they are in their glory;

a) NEVER share a bill with a covers band (i mean pub-folk covers
bands, i'm happy to play with those that do obscure and interesting
covers or pro tribute bands)
b) NEVER play in the bars of pubs (the wharfedale in arthington will
be my last ever pub gig)
c) ONLY play when people have paid to get in
d) NEVER do a mate a favour.

follow these rules and you'll be ok!

yours

nick (so pissed off that he missed charlie chuck at the courthouse)
hall

From: "junkietoo"
Date: Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: "a waste of time + energy" - a tale of woe
well what a precious little git you have become nick - welcome to the
real world of being a "professional performer" unfortunately your
ability and fame do not allow you to play what you want yet as you
still cant even fend off the disgruntled old Scots lady without losing
the plot and descending to the level of the mob - get a life do a
hundred gigs like that and get used to it or stay in your safe little
haven of hand picked friends in your little town where you can be a
prawn amongst shrimps. life as a professional singer sucks till you
reach the acclaim which will only come after ears on the road learn
how to read an audience and give them what they want - alternatively
do your own thing and be appreciated some of the time but be ready to
be ignored for a greater part of the time as you still need to grow up
and the songs you are currently writing are getting more and more
juvenile - almost as if you are trying to hang on to the years of
your teenage angst and project it back at us in song

f**k off, coward!

Well Mr, Miss, Ms, Sir / whatever "Junkietoo"

Interesting points all, but really if you're too much of a coward to
include your name on your message then really I'm just going to
ignore your comments and treat them with the contempt you obviously
hold for me.

You cannot have actually heard my recent songs as - even though the
lyrics may contain some measure of angst - they are (in the opinion
of many professional songwriters and audience members) quite simply
excellent. You might not like the lyrics (and you reckon I care??!!)
but melodically they surpass much of what I've done before.

Maybe you're a folkie? Is it only ok to sing about damsels in
distress or the squire humping the maid?

These new songs are attracting the interest of the mainstream music
industry so, hey, they can't be that bad. And who are you to tell me
what to write about? If you're a songwriter I wouldn't tell you what
to write about! F**k off!!!

I also get the feeling that you only joined the group to have a pop
at me. And you're telling me to get a life? Find a hobby, quick.

I have paid my dues doing hundreds of gigs all over the country and
some of them have been great fun and some of them have been
horrendously difficult. I reserve the right to comment on any of them
I see fit.

The idea that I'm revelling in being a 'prawn in a sea of shrimps' is
total bollocks! I play very few gigs in my own back yard and have
been spending 12 months securing myself a place on the London singer-
songwriter circuit. Not the actions of a man scared to take risks, in
my humble opinion.

I reckon you're from Otley, and I reckon you're in a band and I
reckon you're just peeved cos I'm doing ok at the moment.

I also reckon you're a bit of a pillock!

Reveal your true identity in the next 24 hours or you're banned!!

Nick (angst-ridden juvenile prat!) Hall
From: "nickhallrockperson"
Date: Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:15 am
Subject: sorry but...

sorry but i've just re-read the posting from our new little friend
'junkietoo' and i am actually a bit disturbed by it. this person is
obviously incredibly angry with me for some reason. the mad sentence
structure would give a psychiatrist a field day! fan turned evil
stalker? friend i've managed to annoy without realising? does his
wife fancy me? have i seduced his/her daughter/niece? utterly bizarre.

it's kind of reminiscent of something that's happened to a mate of
mine very recently. he got the police involved. unless this person
owns up and reveals their identity i might indeed be tempted to
involve the police myself.

i've got drunk and posted some stupid stuff on here (and elsewhere)
and then regretted it and apologised, but this seems like a very
personal attack.

let's hope this was a drunken message from somebody who should know
better, who'll 'fess up to me in the pub or over the phone soon and
it'll all be forgotten about. otherwise, who knows? 'junkietoo' may
end up as 'junkiesued'.

nick!


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Subject: RE: songwriter message board war
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 08:29 PM

blicky


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Subject: RE: songwriter message board war
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 09:15 PM

what has this silliness got to do with the Mudcat forum?


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Subject: RE: songwriter message board war
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 09:44 PM

See, the thing is we don't have enough venom and stupidity and two-bit small-brain backstabbing and putrid petulance here. So our friend upstairs thought we should import some, to show us how real whinging is done.

Is it the Pillock Season in the Northern Hemisphere just now?


A


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Subject: RE: songwriter message board war
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 10:03 PM

oh, yeah...sure - I get it now..


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Subject: RE: songwriter message board war
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 11:48 PM

Maybe it's a parody of the Mudcat Spats?.... :-)


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Subject: RE: songwriter message board war
From: erinmaidin
Date: 21 Jul 04 - 04:41 AM

"Interesting points all, but really if you're too much of a coward to
include your name on your message then really I'm just going to
ignore your comments and treat them with the contempt you obviously
hold for me."!!!!!!
And then poor Nick proceeds to write not one but two letters defending his position?! What ever happened to grace and dignity?


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Subject: RE: songwriter message board war
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 02:04 AM

That's show-biz!


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