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Subject: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: michaelr
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 07:47 PM

This may or may not be a BS thread but it is music-related. Linda Ronstadt, in concert at the Aladdin Theater in Las Vegas, urged the audience to see "Fahrenheit 9/11" and referred to Michael Moore as "a great American patriot".

To find out what happened, click here.

What is happening to free speech in this benighted country?

Cheers,
Michael
Moved to the non-music side of the forum, just because it's more political than musical.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 07:57 PM

I've always liked Linda Ronstadt. Even more, now.

It sounds like she wasn't too broken up that they fired her.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Alice
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:10 PM

Freedom of speech?... listen to the moveon.org ad of Bill O'Reilly saying "Shut UP" over and over again. If you don't agree with the Republican talking points (aka Fox "news") then you are supposed to shut up.
Here is the link to the video/audio:
Click here


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:14 PM

Good for her! I'd have stood up and applauded!


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:17 PM

Wotta gal!! Get it SAID Linda!!


A


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:21 PM

Free speech is one thing, this seems to be another. She was giving a concert, and I'd assume that the content was discussed, at least in general, with her employers ahead of time. I also assume that her decision to praise Mr. Moore was not an entirely impromptu one. She had an obligation to inform the promoters in advance if she planned to make controversial statement so that they could have an opportunity to decide if they would permit this in their theater. If they knew she was planning to make these statements, let her go ahead, and then kicked her out, that is plainly wrong. If she didn't bother to tell them, she deserved what she got.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:24 PM

Business-wise, maybe. Ethically she stands head and shoulders above the audience and the management on this little caper.

That's my opinion, anyway.

A


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Mooh
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:38 PM

I've always liked that girl! Now I've got even more reason. Back in the '70s I had a Rolling Stone magazine picture of her over my bed. I'm glad she's increased the reasons for liking her as she's got older.

God bless her.

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:46 PM

Yeah, Linda. "When ya leave you're gonna leave a babbling fool behind." And ya did.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:52 PM

Get out the brooms! ClearChannel gonna get everyone to bust up their Linda Ronstadt CD's in the streets tomorrow.

(Ahhhhh, Bobert. The folks that like Linda Ronstadt ain't ClearChannel kinda folks...)

Nevermind, ya' can put the broom back in the closet...

Go, Linda,go...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: harpgirl
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:04 PM

artbrooks, Linda has no obligation to do any such thing unless it was in her contract. She takes the risk of not being paid for work when she says or does controversial things.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Shula
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:24 PM

Dear folks,

The scary thing is how many entertainers and protestors, since Bush "took" office, have faced being shut out or shut down in one fashion or another, by people afraid of retaliation. Its the "chill factor" of corporate censorship that seems to be at work -- and frighteningly so. I greatly fear that the Bushistas have long wooden noses, long, vindictive memories -- and an even longer reach.

Shula


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:26 PM

It has ever been thus, Shula, unfortunately.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,LUCIA
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:38 PM

I get so tired of Hollywood people simply assuming we are interested in their opinions-regardless of whether we agree with them or not.
There's a time and a place for everything. If I'm paying big bucks for a concert, I'd like a concert please. Not political commentary.

Amos,Don,brucie-would you want your urologist with his finger up your rear blathering on about how great Geo Bush is? Do you want your barber's opinion on abortion when your paying for a trim? Maybe your dentists views on Jesus Christ as his personal savior while he's drilling away at a cost of hundreds of dolllars per tooth? Of course not. You'd make a fuss just like the people at the concert who disagreed with Linda did, and likely take your business elsewhere next time and not be too concerned with those people's right to free speech. In a social setting such discussions are all well and good, but for gods sake spare me the political opinions when you've got me paying real, hard earned dollars for something else.

Is Bush an idiot, a war mongering, inarticulate untrustworthy tool of big corporate GOP donors? No, he's probably something much worse.

Can Linda Ronstadt sing better than 99.9% of the rest of the white chicks on this planet.Well, I always thought so, but whatever,that doesn't make her views on politics of any interest to me.

We wouldn't accept this kind of behavior if it came from public figures we disagree with. It's time to stop excusing it from those with whom we do agree.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:42 PM

Tell that to Arnie.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:55 PM

To some extent I'm with Lucia.

If Linda wants to speak out politically, she can write opinion articles for newspapers, hook up with an appropriate "soft money" org. and do radio and TV ads saying her piece, hold a press conference, whatever, but if I'm paying good money to see her in concert, I don't really want to here her political view, regardless of whether I agree or not. It's the same as bank tellers, grocery clerks, DMV clerks, etc.

Do I think Linda should be fired, no, but they probably had a right to do so.

Once again, this is not a free-speech issue.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:58 PM

LUcia:

You're missing the point.

Ronstadt is an artist.

She is paid to communicate -- not fill teeth or finger urethrae.

There is something extra about that profession -- it demands integrity or it dries up.

The source of her success was not just being girly, but a sense people heard in her voice that she was speaking some sort of truth, communicating genuinely at least.

She should stop doing that a Vegas floor show crowd? Naaaaah.

A


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: DonMeixner
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:12 PM

If Linda Ronstadt had a contract the specifically disallowed political grand standing she had no business breaking her contract. If she had no such stipulations in her contract then she has every right to speak her mind.

BUT....If you give your word about anything and then break your promise you devalue yourself and the strength of what ever cause you are speaking for. No matter how righteous the cause or elpquent the voice.

I look at Michael Moore the same way I do Woody Allen,

"Still waiting for the funny, Still looking for the art."

As to whether Michael Moore is a great American Patriot, I doubt it.
He is no Ben Franklin, Robert E. Lee, Eleanor Roosevelt, Gerald Ford, Phil Ochs, Morris Dees or a few others I admire and could make a good point about their Patriotism.

Don


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,LUCIA
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:14 PM

Love you Amos but we have to agree to disagree


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:19 PM

Don,

Moore does not have the verdigris of old history on him, nor the aristocracy of Lee or the musicality of Ochs. But he is standing up in the street and, at considerable personal risk, getting it said. In doing so he has mobilized a very large numbe rof people who were just dazed and didn't know whether it was safe to speak or not.

Well, he may not be as great as some of yesterday's patriots, but he is without question a man of sufficient courage to be today's patriot when one is badly needed.

He's not the only one we have either. But he did something no-one else had managed and should be duly acknowledged for it even if he does dress funny.

A


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:28 PM

I love how conservatives manage to pull their head out of their butts whenever somebody criticizes one of their own or heaps praise on somebody they disagree with.

Ronstadt did nothing different than any other performer. Unless you've been living in a vacuum, most artists DO share their views and talk to the audience. You don't have to agree with them, you can even boo like they did in Las Vegas. You can even walk out.   You can wear the fact that you've been banned at Aladdin's as a badge of honor.   If I ever get to Vegas I know of one hotel that I won't spend a dime in.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: DonMeixner
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:34 PM

Amos

The difference with me and Moore and the others I mentioned is this. I believe the others. When they opened their mouths I had no doubts about the truth of their words or that they believed in what they were saying.

I view Moore the same way I do Rush Limbaugh. Except for the fact that they come at me from different political directions and Rush dresses better I hear the same snotty little boy stridency and demogogic pandering to their constituency. But I also hear in what they say to me an aire of hucksterism. A bit of flim flam used to make a point whether they believe themselves or not.

Just my view and certainly not our worth fighting over. But for me, Moore has many miles to go before I will view him as a Patriot.

Don


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:41 PM

I understand that a number of the patrons got real upset and stormed out and that the promoter had Linda removed from the premises...

Just wondering if I were playing some little festival around D.C. what would happen if I said, "I like Bush and think he's doing a great job."???

Prolly not a danged thing. One thing fir sure, I doubt if I'd be removed from stage...

This is starting to get serious here folks. This is purdy much the way the brownshirts behaved in Germany in the 30's...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:48 PM

I admire LR for saying that, and I think it's understandable that she got fired for it. But then, maybe that's what happens when ya stand up and get counted, huh?


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: DonMeixner
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:59 PM

Bobert,

According to Reuters News Service about a quarter of the 4,500 patrons in the hall left and wanted their money back. They apparently tore up posters, threw drinks around and behaved like an ill mannered mob. Imagine, conservative concert goers behaving as an ill mannered mob.

The world is certainly turned upside down. Whats next? Tuxedos and Versaces spilling into the streets, overturning and burning BMWs and Cadillacs, and looting along the Miracle Mile.

Don


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 11:05 PM

I fear we're not that far from that, Don. I've been seriously considering findin' another country to live out my days in... This one has some serious internal injuries...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 11:44 PM

I doubt that a Las Vegas casino or other such establishment would fire a performer for encouraging people to support the President and his policies. Neither should they fire a performer for doing the opposite...unless the USA has become a dictatorship where dissent is not permitted any longer.

Think about it.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: MAG
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:17 AM

Go, Linda. (great voice technique, even if I don't like the girly stuff)

Go, Michael (documented every damn thing)

Go, Librarians and other outspoken civil libertarians

Go, everybody who can see that the Bush crowd are seriously beyond right-wing.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Nerd
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:28 AM

Unfortunately, the original story has disappeared. So what DID happen? And more importantly, what details of her contract were given?

Now I work for a theater where I put on concerts; I am essentially a "promoter" in that part of my work. I have never put in a contract anything that limited what the performer could say. Furthermore, a contract outlawing "controversial" statements is likely unenforceable, since this is a value judgment. How did Ronstadt know that praising the most popular documentary in the history of cinema, which won the Palme D'Or at Cannes, would be considered controversial?

Some more questions: If we on the left were at a concert and the performer said, "Here's one for George Bush, who I think is a great president," we wouldn't storm all over the place and demand our money back, would we? Isn't that bizarre behavior?

Why is disagreeing with Bush "controversial," but agreeing with him not controversial?

Finally, why isn't it a free speech issue? Granted, we may not like it if our doctor tells jokes while his finger is you-know-where, but do you think a hospital would fire him for it? As I see it, she was expected to say some things, and to sing some songs, but those were probably not specified by name in her contract. If she is fired because she said something else or sang something else, this is in fact a free speech issue. (If her contract had a "terminate for any reason" clause, that may be a different story--but only because they don't have to specify why they fired her.)

Or to put it another way, if I am hired to give a speech, but they don't like it so they don't pay me, I can sue them and win, unless the content of my speech was specified in my contract, or the contract contains another loophole.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: MAG
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:35 AM

A demagogues operates by appealing to untrammeled emotion and short-circuiting rational thought.

I am sad to learn we are already there.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:39 AM

Linda was pissed at the whole scene already.

The article finnishes with...

In an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal before the show, Ronstadt said "I keep hoping that if I'm annoying enough to them, they won't hire me back."

Vegas... Seems that 'Fear and Loathing' is some kind of reaction to something or other... I didn't like the book much either...
ttr


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:42 AM

Ronstadt had every right to speak out. The casino had every right to fire her. Now folks have every right to make some choices. But unfortunately my liberal brethren and sistren are great at running their mouths about how angry they are, and how this country is turning to shit in front of us, but not very good at acting. If all those folks that went to see Fahrenheit 9/11 were to take the simple step of writing the casino owner and telling him that we will never set foot in his casino again while he is there, and then stuck to it, that would be the end of this kind of shit. You see, folks, one can be controversial, as long is one is willing to walk the walk. The conservatives in middle America do this very well. How about the rest of us?

Mick


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,Barry Finn, on another's pc
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 12:44 AM

My taxes weren't meant for me to have to pay the Rum Don for singing his political shit when I only wanted to listen to & tune into what's happening with our goverment, not interested in being subjected (but, none the less, I was) to the musical claptrap that comes out of his piehole. I demand my tax money back & I demand he should have his goverment contract decleared null & void for acts of treason & terror & that clear channel should pull his spot nation wide. And lastly I demand that the bastard be escorted out of the country & he be stripped of his citizenship, that's right for singing his opinion.

A Patriot is, IMHO, someone who'll, in the face of certain death, say "I regret that I have one life to give for my country", or scream their opposition to "taxes without represention" or fight for women's right to vote or for the equality of all. It's easy to shut up when you're being told to "shut up". It's easy to condem a class of people that have no education, who'll die before their time for lack of some form of heath plan, who live with hunger, who have had their voice & their vote stolen from them, who'll be the uncared for front line cannon fodder in some distant land where they don't understand the language, religion, history or culture. But it's hard, very hard & sometimes damn near impossible to speak & stand up against war & the horrors of humanity without having your name dragged through the mud or your means of livelyhood taken or being blackballed or detained incognito, indefinitly.

Go on Linda, you go girl, she got her beliefs (weither possitive or not) out to a country where now such disagreement can become a death sentence.

We have not seen the likes of Mike Moore in quite some time & if the goverment could have it's way we won't see or hear from his like again. Only history will write him as a patriot or a traitor. But if I'm right my guess he'll be written in as a one of many brave Americans who saw injustice & tried to write it.      
Barry


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Metchosin
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 01:07 AM

I doubt it as well Little Hawk, but for anyone to expect or believe she would be treated other than as she was, is pretty naive, this was not exactly a Folk venue. One thing about speaking your mind politically, in the context of Las Vegas show "business", you should be well aware that there will be a price to pay for taking the liberty of doing so. She was hired to "entertain" all and to involve your audience in an impromptu political rally is not appropriate, no matter how much you agree with her views.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 01:10 AM

Nerd, I just tried it. (Link in first message.) It's still there.

Barry, that's downright eloquent. If this had been at a concert in 197-something, no one would have batted an eyelash. These days, you speak out against the 'establishment', and you lose your job. Better to go buy a Ronstadt CD or go see Farenheit 9/11. For those who disagree with her politics, but believe a person ought to be able to speak their mind without getting axed, I don't know that there's much you CAN do. Why bother? It's not ever going to be you.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his
enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes
a precedent that will reach to himself" - Thomas Paine

Do Americans even believe that anymore?


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 01:55 AM

If hell has a religion, it's patriotism !

Art


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Nerd
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 01:59 AM

Thanks Jeri; it is indeed back now.

Big Mick,

problem is, I've never been in a casino before, so my letter won't mean much to 'em. But I agree in principle: if you are a Vegas visitor, let these people know how you feel.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 02:47 AM

In "Paths Of Glory" (a great film by a great director) ...Kirk Douglas' character Col. Dax delivers a great quote when his commanding officer tries to coerce him to launch a suicidal attack against the Germans with entreaties to 'do it for your country': "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." --Samuel Johnson


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 03:25 AM

Don

I didn't like all of Moore's opinions in F911 but I couldn't argue with the facts he based them on.

With Rush, I don't like his opinions and it's been pretty well demonstrated that his "facts" are bullshit, mostly because they're based on his opinions.

Moore is mouthy, but he isn't all mouth.

For instance that clip of Bush talking to the "Haves and have-mores" pretty well speaks for itself.

clint


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: mooman
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 04:08 AM

Good girl Linda, I like you even more than I did before. For some even better stick for Bush and his appalling corrupt cronies go to any Ani DiFranco concert. I've never seen her booed off stage in the several concerts I've been to. Quite the contrary. However, those were in continental Europe. Perhaps the redneck patrons of Las Vegas casinos are another thing.

Peace

moo

P.S. And if you've got anything to add on this Martin Gibson, I'm ignoring you in advance.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Metchosin
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 04:58 AM

mooman, the two venues are as similar as chalk and cheese. The Vegas patrons weren't necessarily all rednecks, some quite probably were confused, aged Canadians, who probably thought that Moore was that nice looking young fellow, from the TV series The Saint. LOL


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Hrothgar
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 05:39 AM

Attagirl!


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 07:01 AM

What Art said.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 09:55 AM

Most people have absolutely no idea about the 1st amendment or free speech.   It says that people can say anything without fear of government reprisal.   Whether is was the Dixie Chicks, Whoopi, or Linda there was never any kind of government reprisal.   It was the audience (or parts of the audience) who objected.   These performers want the ability to say anything they want, but don't want the public to have the same free speech right to object to what they are saying.

Laura Inghram has a new book out called "Shut up and Sing"   Basically takes the poisition (I haven't read it-have just heard her talking about it) that people go to concerts to hear the music and don't want the political comentary.

Linda has every right to say what she did and the public has every right to stop going to her concerts and stop buying her CD's.    Other people who agree with her have the right to buy several of her CD's and go to many of her concerts to support her.   That is freedom.

Conversely- Many conservatives have been blacklisted in Hollywood for their views.   Liberal talk show host PHil Hendrie wrote a column that his "conservative" tv pilot was canned for being conservative even though he is a liberal.    That is wrong.

PS: AMOS- loved your message on how to write a song. Brilliant


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 10:27 AM

Wow... imagine that... an ill mannered mob at a country music show...

go figure eh...

And in Vegas no less...

Something this rare, must be because of planetary alignment or have been a government mind-control satellite experiment or something...

but...

It's not like LR won't ever work again...   

So fer having the balls to support what she believes in, especially in such a 'volitile', knee-jerk and stupid climate, good for her!


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 10:34 AM

I can't imagine why any serious performer would want to do a show in Las Vegas anyway... :-) (except for the money, of course). Am I surprised at the reaction of some of the audience members to Linda's comments? Naw. Casinos attract idiots like shit attracts flies.

As for Hell, I'm sure the levels of patriotism there are very high. It's probably a lot like Las Vegas. (joke)


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 10:34 AM

Guest, Larry K is right. Her rights were not violated by the government at all.

This same controversy has been going on a long time with Peter, Paul, and Mary. In between songs, long political rants which are not represented on the records they sell to the public. I've loved and respected their music over the years. Entertainers such as them and Ronstadt are entitled to speak their opinions on stage, but have to be prepared to face the consequences, whether it's being fired from the venue, people walking out on the, or booing at them as loud as they can.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 10:50 AM

"Entertainers such as them and Ronstadt are entitled to speak their opinions on stage, but have to be prepared to face the consequences"

ANYONE willing to speak an opinion MUST be willing to accept consequences... No one of us lives here all alone eh....

What I'm curious about is when did the opinions of entertainers ever matter more than a hill of beans???

Or anyones for that matter...

Your opinion on ANY subject is yours... and mine is mine... nowhere is it written that we have to or even SHOULD try to agree...

I just don't get why it's even an issue... Why some people get thier knickers so in a knot over the idea that somewhere, someone MIGHT just be DIFFERENT than they are...


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 11:20 AM

I agree with you Clinton about "anyone"

However, if you bill yourself at a concert that you are going to perform your music, and you waste my time and money by not giving me what I paid for, I also have the right to Boo you loudly and ask for my money back.

It's an issue because these entertainers can make news to spout their ideas because they are in the public eye. Everyday people just aren't and won't make news with their opinions.


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Subject: RE: Linda Ronstadt pulls a Dixie Chicks
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 11:23 AM

Two comments:

One: I agree with everything she's quoted as saying.

Two: She had no business saying it where she did. People paid to be entertained, and she was paid to entertain them. She willfully threw her opinion (with which I agree) in their teeth, when she had to know that she would bitterly offend a large portion of her audience and that even those who agreed with her would have their evening upset. That is an arrogant misuse of the position she was put in.

Dave Oesterreich


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