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Subject: BS: Sorry for England
From: Ranks
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 05:35 PM

I never thought I would say it. But I feel very sorry for England. That match was the best I have seen for along time. It should have been the final.

Ranks


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Ranks
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 05:40 PM

I have had quite a few drinks during the match, so I write things I probably would not say with a clear brain. Although I always support our German team I have to say: Having seen that match I now know that we have not deserved to reach the quarter finals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: sledge
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 05:44 PM

And now those miserable gits who aren't that keen on football and moan about it despite the enjoyment it brings many others can rest quietly in their beds now, assured that it won't intrude so much on their day to day lives for some time.

Sledge

ps portugal were better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,scottish jake
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 05:52 PM

To quote that great folkie, Cat Stevens ........................... My Heart is Bleeding!!

John frae Scotland


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: The Villan
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:00 PM

I think that England did not play that well. They defended for far too long.

Neville should have taken the player out before he got the shot in for Portugals second goal.

David beckham to me was not up to his normal standard and over the competition, should not have been in the team. He has missed 2 penalties, and hasn't scored a goal. Not what we expect from him.

From what I could see of action replays, the referee made a bad decision when he didn't allow the goal for England at the end of 90 minutes.

Frank Lampard came good again, and although Portugal made a mistake in defence, I thought owen's goal was taken very cleverly.

All in all a dissapointing finish for England, but they did their best.

I will now have to support my wifes team - Holland :-)
Come on you cloggies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: sledge
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:04 PM

Ditto.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:09 PM

It's only a game


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Ranks
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:10 PM

Dear Villan,

it was absolutely correct that the referee did not allow that goal. In all countries in the world, this was a foul - except England. I know that your country has a slightly different interpretation of the rules especially when it comes to goalkeepers in their area. But in international tournaments you have to accept this decision.
Still it was a cruel match for England.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Ranks
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:11 PM

Dear Greg,

It is not only a game. It is football!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Ed.
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:22 PM

Sorry, Ranks but I'm in total agreement with Greg Stephens here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:22 PM

Sorry Ranks, I've watched over a thousand live games and countless numbers in highlights, and that was a Sol campbell goal. Beckham is shot. Too many outside distractions. Cole is my player of the tournament so far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Bassic
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:30 PM

Cole was a liability in the first half......a yard behind the game.....I would have taken him off..........and I would have been wrong......the rest of the match he was superb. Sol C was awsome......and it was a very simple and clear goal.........the Porugese keeper was miles away and didnt have a chance of getting near the ball......the two English players just stood where they were and jumped up for the ball.....all legal and above board like.......what say you BE? (All the best refs are bald BTW!!;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: mooman
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:38 PM

Well Portugal were the better team on the night but England played with resolution and came back into it well at the end...

Sol Campbell played a blinder as he so often does and, sorry Ranks, the replay seems to show there was no touch at all on any Portuguese player and it seemed a perfectly good goal. The loss of Rooney seemed to leave nothing worthwhile in midfield which simply fell apart. Beckham is totally out of form.

The ref was useless throughout, give me the wonderful Mr Collina anytime!

Bad luck England and well done Portugal.

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Ranks
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:40 PM

The fact, that only the English say,it was a goal, proves me right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 07:42 PM

On what basis wasn't it a goal Ranks -the goalkeeper was not fouled. Terry and Campbell were both facing away from the goal keeper, who fell into them and was not pushed away. The refereeing was deplorable throughout. Having said that Portugal was the better side although they couldnt finish. we were underform and the passing was patheitc. Cole was excellent as was campbell. Beckham was under par but at the end of the day Portugal played well enough to win, I have no sour grapes, but the instances of us having goals disallowed againstus in major tournaments is alarming.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 07:42 PM

Terry had his arm across the Portugese goalkeepers' shoulder,stopping him from getting to the ball,and at the same time acted as a prop for Campbell to gain height.It was actually a very brave decision.
Of course, the morons who who give their opinions on TV,once again demonstrated their ignorance of the basic rules ...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 08:10 PM

Campbell only touched the goalie coming down,after the ball was in the net.However,Beckham could have regained the match by staying away from the penalty shoot-out. I know damn little about football but he has a reputation for missing penalties when the pressure is on. If he had put someone else on we might have had a few more minutes for our session .


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 08:36 PM

The fact that only the English say it was a goal...

How on Earth could you know that to be the case, Ranks?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 09:03 PM

As I said on the Annexe, I have mixed feelings over this.

I travelled the approx 20 miles from Roughton (nr Cromer) to the Nelson in Norwich to get to a session cancelled by the pub because of the football...

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: sledge
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 02:17 AM

Don't they have telephones in Norwich?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 02:20 AM

Thats bad Jon. Didn't anybody try to notify you.
Or was it a case of you just going along, only to find thta the pub had overruled the Folkies.
Doesn't say much for the pub.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 03:18 AM

The chairman of the German referees said (to several slow motions) that the 'goal' would have been given in England probably but that the actual decision of the referee can be regarded as correct according to the continental standard. But the opposite decision also would have been no mistake.

Is there really nobody daring to tell Beckham to stay away from the penalty point in that situation? That's his third miss for England in his last three tries.

We could now restart the two years old quarrel about the use of exercising penalties.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: alanabit
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 03:51 AM

Justice was done. A fairer reflection of the game would have been a three or four goal victory for the Portuguese at the end of ninety minutes. Why an England midfield of Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes was not able to take the game to Portugal I shall never know. The fact is that they didn't and England never looked like winning. I feel sorry for Beckham and Darius Vassell, but penalty shoot outs have a habit of producing the correct winner. They did in 1990, 1996 and 1998 and justice was done again last night. Portugal deserved to win.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: breezy
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 04:10 AM

Now we move to George Papavgeris and the Greek team.

England were totally outplayed

Opportunist first goal,-well done Michael- who said the long ball game is dead, its the only way to play when a team has no mid-field.

Too much reliance on one young man -Rooney

Looked vulnerable to crosses,

Beckham takes the 1st penalty cos we only remember the last one one to miss, crafty bugger, thinking of his image.

Players looked stale.

Cole won the battle with Renaldo until Renaldo loosened up in the closing minutes.

England deluded themselves that they could win this match and the competition, such miss-guided over-confidence

Need a vocal leader on the pitch to put fire in the bellies

Tonight Martyn Wyndham-Read in St Albans


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 04:17 AM

Agree with Villan and alanabit. I am sorry that England did not play better. Not so sorry for Beckham - I note he took the first of the penalties, an old captain's trick to try and keep any failure off people's minds as the later ones would supercede it. Still, it is nice to see teams like the Chechs coming through. Their Holland match was the best I've seen for some time. As for the Greeks...

"Hell-ass, Ra! Ra! RA!"
Greece expects the support of all Brits tonight. Right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 04:19 AM

Don't mind me - it's well known that we Greeks have lost out Marbles...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 05:00 AM

El Greko
If Holland go out, then I will support Greece (if they get through).
I suppose I had better do that otherwise you might cancel your guest appearance at the Market Rasen Folk Club on November the 19th. :-)

The Greeks certainly know how to party. I remeber back in 1980's visiting three greek islands, Samos, Chios and Lesbos.
Whilst we were in Chios, there was a festival in one of the towns. The local fisherman took us to it in his van. It was an open air event in the square. It was absolutely humming. Mainly Greek people - one that the tourists didn't get to know about.
It was great with the band playing and people dancing eating and drinking. I worked for Polaroid at the time, and had an instant camera with me and loads of film.
One man came up to me and asked if I would take a photo of his family. This I did, and ten minutes later, he came over to our table with a tray of food and drinks for my wife and me, as a thankyou. Dont think that they had seen instant photo's before.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 05:10 AM

"It's only a game"

Philistine!!

Sorry El Greko, as much as I'd love to see the Greeks win against France they haven't a hope unless Zidane breaks his metatarsal and Henry looses his va va voom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 05:58 AM

Sledge/ Villan, in fairness to the pub, I believe they did try to contact one session regular but couldn't get hold of him (suggesting to me though that they PROBABLY only decided on the day of the session). They don't have my number and my phone is engaged a lot of the time with internet anyway but had they made contact with that person, I would have recieved an email telling me that the session was cancelled - he's pretty good at informing me and others.

It seems most session people had guessed or decided to stay away but it turned out that our regular guitarist from Beccles (Sulfolk), a fiddle player from Attleborough way (I think) as well as one from Norwich arrived (and perhaps others we didn't see looked in). That's a problem with this sesson if communications break down for some reason - I think within our perhaps 15 in terms of regular players, most travel in at least 15 miles for it.

Anyway, on to the football... I think Beckham made a huge mistake in taking the first one. I feel sure memories of his last miss would have been running too much through his mind... As for the dissalowed goal, I watched a few replays when I got home and I think the decision was borderline but correct, the goalie was hindered by someone's arm.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 06:18 AM

Perhaps Becks did his captains job better than we thought...

Reasoning? Well. If you want your team to feel confident about penalties how about missing the first one to show that they cannot do worse? Just like me putting myself on first at the folk club so things can only get better:-)

No? Ah well...

I agree with most of the rest BTW - England never looked like winning. Just a pity that they lost because of a poor decision.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:30 AM

out classed, out played, out ran, out competition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,patriot1314
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 08:02 AM

every time a competition comes along, the english media hype up their team to the extent that the whole country believes they are going to win it.
I certainly have'nt seen any evidence that england are good enough to win a major tournament. In this one they played four and lost two and all the games were won by the better team.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 08:25 AM

I was sorry for England too. If the rain had held off we would have whipped the Kiwis (oooh! contentious!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 09:38 AM

Kiwi's with whipped cream on sounds better to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: sledge
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 09:46 AM

What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Laurent at work
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:07 AM

Guest Dave. I fear you're wrong. I wouldn't bet on France tonight. Against Switzerland, they played so bad that some of my co-workers and I were about to support the Swiss team.

If we don't raise our playing level tonight, I think that Zidane and his fellows will be back home at time to watch the last matches on TV.

BTW, we should have lost against England, but English team was beatten for the same reasons as yesterday.

Allez France! (sorry, it's a reflex)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: sledge
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:12 AM

Right laurent, thats it, I am going to boycott French cheese, apart from Rochefort which I like :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Laurent at work
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:23 AM

It doesn't really matter Sledge, as French team, they're no more what they used to be. (For EEC's sake) Apart Roquefort may be (but I like cheddar too).


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: sledge
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:29 AM

I even like it when I spell it wrong!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bagpuss at work
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 10:34 AM

If the Campbell goal had been given, I still think England wouldnt have deserved to win. they were only in that fortunate position because of Portugal's amazing ability not to score goals (plus some very good defending by Campbell). Portugal had loads more posession and were forcing us back into our own half for most of the match. We defended far too deep. The midfield were lacklustre, especially given the supposed quality of the players and were playing very negatively for a substansial potion of the match. Too many long balls were played that really didn't suit the playing of the strikers and usually struggled to get the ball.

I knew if it went to penalties we would lose because we have to. It's tradition! I really hope they are not going to blame the Beckham fiasco on the pitch/penalty spot. Given that they had made a complaint about it in training, they obviously knew what it was like and the problems it could cause and should have adjusted their penalty taking accordingly.

I think Beckham should lose his captaincy over this. It was his job to pull the players together and be more proactive in his play especially after Rooney went off, but he hardly looked like a captain out there at all. I think all the recent strain in his personal life has took its toll on him. He looked a shadow of his former self.

The problem is who could be made captain in his absence?

Bagpuss


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:11 AM

Frank Lampard


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: el ted
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:12 AM

Frank Spencer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,bagpuss
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:15 AM

Cant be Lampard or Terry because no matter how many times I see them I can never remember what they look like...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 11:30 AM

Can't be Lampard becuase he is too well spoken!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 12:16 PM

Posh Beckham

"Come on, girls!"

Doesn't bear thinking...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Taffy
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 01:16 PM

No


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: ard mhacha
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 05:19 PM

Laurent you were right, France were clueless,the Greeks were deserving winners, this reflects on the English teams performance, losing to a clapped out French side.
The hype surrounding the English team was amazing, every section of the media had forecast the team as champions, thank goodness I had the choice of RTE and knowledgeable ex players such as John Giles and Liam Brady who were less biased than the "experts"on the English stations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: The Villan
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:43 PM

I am gobsmacked. Well done Greece.

What does that tell you about the premiership?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:51 PM

Very gratifying. Greece have been playing better since I left Greece. Perhaps if I leave England...nah.

My money is on the Chechs now...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 02:18 AM

Aye---Henry has lost his va-va-voom and Zidane's bust metatarsal keeps him from helping in the search-------


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Les from Hull
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 01:23 PM

One thing hasn't been satisfactorily explained for me. Just how did Wayne Rooney break his foot? Was he just running along and his boot came off and 'ping' went his metatarsal? Or did the Portugese defender who was running alongside him accidentally stomp on his foot? If so, isn't that a penalty? (It doesn't matter about the penalty because Beckham would've missed anyway.)

That Campbell 'goal' was perfectly fair in my opinion. Of course Terry and Campbell were in the place that the goalkeeper needed to be in to make the save. But they're not going to move away are they?

Whatever caused the referee to make the decision he did was not based on a good view - he was too far away to see. The view that the referee had was very different to the view that TV cameras had. Possibly the referee's assistant had a better view, and he seemed happy with the goal. For the referee to assume that there must have been something wrong with the goal, or to accept the Portuguese goalie's version was very poor refereeing.

We always end up having poor refeering at these championships. EUFA and FIFA should appoint a panel of good professional referees and assistants, loan them to national leagues in between championships, and provide them with the best training from aclaimed referees who have retired. I'm sure that they can afford it. They should stop pampering to National Associations to make sure that referees are chosen by ability rather than nationality.

Of the game itself I thought a draw was a fair result, and given my built in bias towards England, that probably means that Portugal deserved their victory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Hrothgar
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 12:47 AM

Bit of a problem with the rugby, too, chaps, even tough England were about 40 points better than last time at that venue.

Lots of pressure on Tim Henman now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 03:21 PM

Have you seen Holland? It was the fifth time their national team was in a penalty shooting since there are penalty shootings in the European and the World cup and it was the first time they did win. So there's hope even for England. Perhaps next time.

Wolfgang (pondering what is worse: lacking luck or lacking ability)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Laurent
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 04:34 PM

Ard Macha

Unfortunatly or us I was right. I fear there was 22 greek players on grass last friday. Only our goal keeper tried to preserve French honour.

Pires said : "It doesn't matter if we don't score in style. The best thing is to win the day!"

If only our team has played against Greece!

We have to wonder why the five favourite teams are back home now : France, Italy, Spain, England and Germany.

If Greece win the final match, it might be a consolation fot us.

You can't win if you don't want to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Tom Hamilton
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 10:46 PM

I am on holiday here in Australia, and that was the best bloody news I heard all day, that England are out. I beat the greeting faced English bampots were on televison and they were make excuses as always.
Mind you they should of been kicked out of the Euro2004 because they can't/won't control their so called fans.

So now maybe we both here in Scotland/Australia can watch real footballers instead of greeting faced ones.

And I heard that England got beat at the rugby.

Oh I am really enjoying myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 02:27 AM

Dear Tom,I forgive you because you're a Scot, and therefore a professional no-hoper. Misery loves company they say.
Cheers,   Ooh-Aah.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: sledge
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 02:48 AM

When someone (wow a Scot, fancy that) has to take pleasure in the failiure of others, its a sad reflection on their own teams obvious lack of success.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 04:32 AM

As you're in celebratory mood Tom, get that padlock off your sporran, the drinks are on you.

Tom!, Tom!, wake up Tom! Honestly, ask a Scotsman to buy a round and he passes out!

Scotland - real footballers? a contradiction in terms surely. Make the most of your enjoyment at Englands defeat Tom, as you won't get any enjoyment at Scotland's success.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 05:42 AM

Les, if the ref saw Terry's arm over the keeper's shoulder (which is where it was) he was entitled to call that a foul. Replays indicate that he blew his whistle before Sol scored, but for me the killer detail was the way Terry sneaked a glance at the ref.

One point that's not been made by any pundit or catter as far as I've seen: James's lousy distribution. It consists entirely of 75-yard punts up the middle. He hardly ever rolled or threw it out to defenders to take it up the field or made a quick pportunistic pass to start a break. This didn't show up so much when Rooney was around, but when it wsa Owen and Vassell, they were simply bundled off the ball if they got to it at all, meaning Portugal finished up with possession every time. In my view Heskey (yes, Heskey!) was the logical replacement for Rooney, with Vasell coming on late, as usual, (probably for Owen) when other legs were tired.

Another point never mentioned: I cringed when Vassell walked up to the penalty spot. If a striker is not prepared to go in the first five, best to leave him out until there's no-one else left.

Three times England have moaned about freaky situations that cost them results, yet in all three games they led 1-0. It's time they realised that there's a message there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,BanjoRay
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 07:21 AM

Oh dear - it's the end of the wonderful new scheme to mark out cars with bad drivers by mounting flags on them. The accident rate will increase.
Ray


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Firecat
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 03:01 PM

I was furious!!! The referee was biased all the way through. There was nothing wrong with Sol Campbell's goal. I think that it's time we got referees on the touchline with TV monitors to back up decisions, like they have in rugby.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 03:23 PM

EUFA have seen the videos, Firecat, and they back the ref's decision (as I do).


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 29 Jun 04 - 07:56 AM

I see so it is all right to hold a goal keeper down and stop him jumping! I will remember that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 29 Jun 04 - 08:32 AM

It's absolutely clear on the slo-mo. Terry jumps first, and he jumps straight up. His arms go up because it's physically impossible to jump high without using the arms to add 'spring'. The lowering of the arms at or around the top of the jump is also something physically impossible to avoid. The keeper jumps second and jumps towards Terry who is by now descending, resulting in his shoulder locking under Terry's armpit. If anyone was fouled it was Terry. The only people who can't see it are jealous Scotsmen and Irishmen, and referees who are under instruction from UEFA to make sure that the Host Nation goes through.

Physical contact in Soccer is not, despite what many believe, an automatic foul.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Big Tim
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 02:23 AM

Ricardo, the Portuguese goalkeeper, acted his way to getting the Campbell "goal" disallowed, and he outpsyched the English penalty missers: walking up to the spot, delaying things, etc. He did the exact same thing for Boavista against Celtic in the EUFA cup last year. He's a good psychologist but he's a cheat: but then he's not alone there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 03:18 AM

Please,lads you have me in tears, if your good enough you can beat the ref, ask Celtic they have been doing it in Scotland from their inception.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Big Tim
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:56 AM

Ard, Celtic didn't beat Bobby Davidson (from Airdrie, need I say more!), when he blew the final whistle in the 1973 League Cup final just as a Celtic shot was in mid-air for the net!

Re the Campbell "goal", it was a decision that could have gone either way. I've watched it a dozen times and still can't make up my mind whether it was a deliberate foul or not. The ref has to decide, instantly, without benefit of replay. I do think though that it was a bit of a home town decision.                                       

I think we need to stop games now and look at the film of contentious situations. This would also cut out all the jersey pulling at corners, etc. If these guys knew that were being filmed and a penaly would result, they would soon stop. Oh, and I'd also scrap the offside rule!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 04:55 PM

Goodbye Dick Advocatt let the Dutch get a manager who restores their attacking flair, Portugal were streets ahead and it would have been an injustice had this insipid Dutch side scraped a draw.
Luis Figo was brilliant, the man of the match.
And yes Tim, scrap the offside law a hindrance to entertainment, the last time they tried to scrap it, would you believe Sir Stanley Rous then the English FA offical on FIFA, vetoed the move.

Ihat poor Swiss Referee is really having it bad after disallowing Campbell`s header, he is now under police protection after receiving death threats from English fans, it really is the beautiful game.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: The Villan
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 06:10 PM

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Ihat poor Swiss Referee is really having it bad after disallowing Campbell`s header, he is now under police protection after receiving death threats from English fans
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What a disgrace.

I don't agree with his decision, but this is going too far.

It would serve football right if there were no referees. That would make everybody think. Referees don't deserve this disgusting approach.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 03:56 AM

Drop it, lads---England were [at best!] the second-worst team in the contest. They were outplayed by both France and Portugal. Have a mere glance at the statistics--corners, shots at goal, possession.....
   They are home, they know where they were lacking, and they will come back, never fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 03:09 AM

The fact that England nearly stole a fluke result against France and Portugal can not hide the fact that they were thoroughly outplayed in both games. Justice was done. In the long run, it would probably have done England more good if they had suffered the heavy defeat which Portugal's superiority merited. It might have taught them never to play like that again. The loss of Wayne Rooney (even though it was a deliberate foul) was no excuse for failing to take the game to the opposition. There was still a world class striker on the pitch and Beckham and Gerrard (untypically) seemed to have forgotten he was there. What gives England the divine right to expect they will always have the luxury of playing with two world class finishers? Most countries make do without even one.
The crowd did not see the foul on Rooney - indeed the referee gave a free kick against him for being improperly equipped. (His boot was off). To some extent he was a victim of his own guts in trying to stay upright, when most players with a broken metatarsal would have gone straight over. When all is said and done, you have to be prepared for that sort of thing when you play against the host nation in front of a partisan crowd. Contrast England's attitude with that of the Czechs, who lost Pavel Nedved last night, yet never gave up trying to take the game forward.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Big Tim
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 03:25 PM

England weren't "thoroughly outplayed" by either France or Portugal. Both these games went pretty much down to the wire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 04 - 04:37 AM

For all the Englsih folk out there 'always look on the bright side of life.

And at lest we won a Cup for qulifying 5 times in a row and then after that Scotland were voted the Best supporters in Europe, at lest we don't riot when we Lose. I think that we qulifyied 8 times for the world Cup, how many times did england qulifey. you hosted the world cup so you didn't qulify for that and then as you keep reminding us all that in 1966 you won the world cup so didn't need to qulify for Mexico in 1970.

So I think that Scotland has done no bad for a wee country.


And I also I agree with Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: alanabit
Date: 03 Jul 04 - 07:12 AM

A father entered his daughter's bedroom and saw a letter on the bed. With the worst premonition, he read it with trembling hands.

Dear Mum and Dad,

It is with great regret and sorrow that I'm telling you that I've eloped with my new boyfriend. I've found real love and he is so nice. Especially with all his piercings, scars, tattoos, and his big motorcycle. But it's not only that, I'm pregnant, and Ahmed said that we will be very happy in his trailer in the woods. He wants to have many more children with me and that's one of my dreams.

I've learned that marijuana doesn't hurt anyone and we'll be growing it for us and his friends. They're the one's providing us with all the cocaine and ecstasy we could ever want. In the meantime, we'll pray for science to find the AIDS cure, so Ahmed gets better. He deserves it.

Don' t worry about money. Ahmed has arranged for me to be in films that his friends Leroy and Jamal make in their basement. Apparently I can earn £50 a scene. I get a £50 bonus if there are more than three men in the scene, and an extra £100 if they use the horse.

Don't worry Mum. Now I'm 15 years old, I know how to take care of myself. Someday I'll visit you and Dad so that you can meet your grandchildren.

Your loving daughter,

Aimee







p.s: Dad, it's not true. I'm watching TV at a neighbour's house. I just wanted to show you that there are worse things in life than ENGLAND GETTING BEAT ON F*CKING PENALTIES AGAIN,.

I love you.

Aimee


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Jul 04 - 09:19 AM

I wonder if the Guest above is any relation of John from Hull.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jul 04 - 01:06 AM

you got beat and that's that nae excuses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 03:04 PM

Sad news for England football fans. Fabio Capello has just resigned as England manager. The FA confirmed that the Italian will leave with immediate effect today Wednesday.

No reason given at this stage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 05:40 PM

Why 'sad', Bluesman? He has had his head for 4 years without conspicuous success. I have never liked the idea of foreign managers for England; especially when their mastery of English is as limited as Capello's. I look forward to some success under an English manager. Redknapp? Probably ~ or maybe Pearce, brought up from the Under-21s? Either could do a good job.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 07:04 PM

It would appear he resigned over the action the F,A. took regarding John Terry. How can you strip the captaincy­ without undermining the manager ?

I liked him Michael, Capello is one of the most successful coaches in­ world football.I doubt Harry Redknapp will be installed, his team is up there in the top three.Pep Guardiola would be the bestchoice for the England job.

I cannot say I totally agree with Mr. Capello's­ stance re: John Terry but at least he had the courage­ of his convictions in his disagreement with the F.A.­ and stood by them and his resignation is obviously one­ of principle. At the end of the day Terry is innocent­ until proven guilty - the F.A. seemed to prove him­ guilty before the trial. I have no thoughts regarding­ Terry whatsover so this is not written as a supporter­ of him. My support in football.

I would like to see Trevor Brooking in the job, a true gentleman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 12:28 AM

I agree with you, Bluesman, that Capello had a genuine grievance re the lack of consultation over Terry, & like you admire the stand he took. It is a pity he should have left over such a matter, & will accept your 'sad' from that pov. But I do not regard his departure as such as occasion for sadness for the England team. Time for a change.

Let us just wait & see who it will be. I do hope it will be an Englishman [or at least a Brit ~ O'Neill or Fergie {in my dreams!} could be OK], as a matter of cred & image ~~ has always seemed to me a pity when a country can't produce a manager from its own resources & has to go cap-in-hand abroad. Agree Brooking could be good, personality-wise; but has he the requisite managerial experience, do you think?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 12:33 AM

'Brooking was a popular choice as [caretaker] manager at Upton Park by the fans but he had earlier decided management was too much pressure and will hence be forever known as the "best manager West Ham never had".' wiki
.,,.

Appears from this that he probably wouldn't want the job, as he doesn't seem to like management & prefers punditry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 12:35 AM

Could Jack Charlton possibly be in the running, do you think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 05:01 AM

I agree wholeheartedlywith you Michael, I would also like to see a home grown manager such as Pearce. Jack Charlton is a great character, but like myself too many birthdays. Stuart Pearce is currently in charge of the under­ 21 England Team, I do hope the FA do not make the same­ mistake with him as they did with Brian Clough.


Sadly there are deep failings in English football today . The current international crop may look good winning against lesser opposition in qualifying but have been made an embarrassment in recent major tournaments.

At least the FA had the decency to allow the courts to­ decide Redknapp's guilt or otherwise, they most­ certainly didn't do that for John Terry. I hope­ Terry takes them collectively and/or severally to the­ courts for disregard of his basic human rights and sues­ them to hell and beyond.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 05:12 AM

Surely Diego Armando Maradona would be the best candidate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 05:19 AM

He has his hands full Bonzo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 07:35 AM

Sod Football! I bet the BBC News have devoted the majority of its time to football related items this past week. Ridiculous!
Also, whoever named football "The Beautiful Game" got it totally wrong.
"The Ugly Game" is a far better description!
And, talk about the opium of the people!
Let's the people thinking about anything but the really important issues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 08:12 AM

Good call Michael, Stuart Pearce will take charge of the England team for the friendly against Holland on February 29, Football Association chairman David Bernstein has just confirmed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 09:29 AM

hi

Capello maybe failed as regards England Football is concerned but it was very successful for Cappello ?? I heard the figure of £24 Million mentioned that he made in 4 years.

No success at all.....maybe he be awarded a huge bonus ???? !!

The problem with the England job is that it has become a poisoned chalice.

Of the names being mentioned on this thread as a possible successor (success judged by results) I am at a loss to confidently suggest anyone except for Ferguson but as someone has already said, he has too many miles on the clock.

Of the younger guys I am impressed by Brendan Rogers and Roberto Martinez ( tho his team Wigan are not doing well at all at the moment).

if I had to make a bet on who will get the long-term post it would have to be 'arry Rednap.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 11:53 AM

My money would go on Pearce as Michael already suggested.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Raedwulf
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 04:15 PM

I wouldn't like to see Brooking in charge. He lacks managerial experience, there's no evidence he has any sort of tactical nous that would enable him to make a decent job of it.

Most importantly, the scumbag English will ultimately rip him apart because the only thing they ultimately care about is writing a story. Doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, just so long as they can be as extreme as possible. Preferably with the biggest possible swing from one day to the next.

Do you really want to see him subjected to that?

As for dodgy Del Boy 'Arry, how could he manage England? There's no buying or selling involved...


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Raedwulf
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 04:16 PM

Sorry, I meant to say "the scumbag English *media*". I sometimes wish Mudcat had an Edit button on posts! :o


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 07:31 AM

I feel a bit sorry for Fabio Capello he has just has one of those faces (or I am just soft) I can understand why he just wants to get out. Lets hope that if an English manager is selected we get the results come Euro 2012. Constant coverage of Rednapp seems to suggest that he is favourite to land the job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Den
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 08:20 AM

Doesn't matter who gets the job England don't have the horses to win any race for the foreseeable future.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Den
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 10:32 AM

. missing from my post above.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 12:23 PM

The prospect of another summer of watching England snatching defeat from the jaws of success signally fails to amuse.

I could suggest a new motto for them....."We're British, by God, and We'll Fail".

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 01:13 PM

Check this out!
Steven Gerrard ( ex-England captain ) prosecuted for beating someone up in a bar. ( all his mates pleaded guilty) Gerrard was found not guilty by a Liverpool jury.
Rio Ferdinand (Ex-England captain) missed a drug test and banned for a number of matches.
John Terry ( ex-captain) well ...
Harry Rednap - probable future manager - prosecuted for tax evasion. ( Many feel his popularity and charm saved him from prison).
What a great bunch of role models!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: Brian May
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 01:24 PM

Just got back from a week in Egypt . . .

Did I miss a football match?

What a bonus :o)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:06 PM

Why oh why, do people who don't like football keep coming on threads like this to tell us so?

As if we should give a 2d-damn what they think about it ~~ or about anything else either, the stupid, boring farts...

I know what ~~ I think I'll go on the

BS: Healing thoughts & prayers please

thread to say I don't believe in the healing power of prayer --

or on the Don MacLean's guitar thread to say what a boring singer I think he was ...

... except that I won't ~~ because it would be EXTREMELY RUDE AND UNMANNERLY to do so.

So, all you football-haters, stay away from here, please.

We don't care what you think ~~

but we do care that there should be so many such filthy-mannered yobboes on this forum at all.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:11 PM

Ignore them Michael.

Tunesmith "John Terry ( ex-captain) well ...
Harry Rednap - probable future manager - prosecuted for tax evasion".

Gerrard was found not guilty.

Harry Rednap found not guilty.

John Terry yet to be found guilty.

Hope this helps unless you know something we don't ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:12 PM

And 100.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry for England
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:58 PM

I know that the people prosecuting Gerrard and Rednap thought they were guilty!
I also know that all of Gerrard's mates pleaded guilty.
I also know that juries can bring in the bad verdict.


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