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BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity

Rapparee 12 Jun 04 - 04:56 PM
Amos 12 Jun 04 - 05:09 PM
Ebbie 13 Jun 04 - 12:23 AM
dianavan 13 Jun 04 - 12:24 AM
beardedbruce 13 Jun 04 - 12:27 AM
freda underhill 13 Jun 04 - 05:12 AM
John MacKenzie 13 Jun 04 - 06:49 AM
freda underhill 13 Jun 04 - 07:09 AM
John MacKenzie 13 Jun 04 - 07:17 AM
freda underhill 13 Jun 04 - 07:25 AM
John MacKenzie 13 Jun 04 - 07:30 AM
freda underhill 13 Jun 04 - 07:41 AM
kendall 13 Jun 04 - 07:50 AM
Amos 13 Jun 04 - 08:09 AM
freda underhill 13 Jun 04 - 08:36 AM
Amos 13 Jun 04 - 08:40 AM
John MacKenzie 13 Jun 04 - 08:52 AM
Little Hawk 13 Jun 04 - 08:57 AM
Rapparee 13 Jun 04 - 09:40 AM
Rapparee 13 Jun 04 - 09:45 AM
freda underhill 13 Jun 04 - 09:48 AM
Little Hawk 13 Jun 04 - 10:08 AM
dianavan 13 Jun 04 - 11:36 AM
Bill D 13 Jun 04 - 11:53 AM
CarolC 13 Jun 04 - 11:59 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jun 04 - 04:56 PM

Being moderate does not mean being indecisive or mediocre.

I consider myself a moderate in most things. I'm so much of the Middle Way that Lao Tzu learned from me. But that doesn't prevent me from being decisive OR from being intelligent (at least, I've been told I'm intelligent). Courage doesn't require fanaticism, it just require that you stand up, decide what needs to be done, and do it.

One of the greatest brakes on human endeavor is indeciviness. Phil Ochs (ah-ha! it's now a music thread!) wrote

"Riding down the highway my back is gettin' stiff
Thirteen cars are piled up, they're hangin' on a cliff
Maybe we should pull 'em back, with our towin' chair,
But we gotta move and we might get sued and it looks like it's going to rain...."

Not deciding is a decision. Usually it's the wrong one. I have no idea how often I've decried the "gutless wonders" who, by not deciding or acting, have allowed wrong to go unchallenged.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jun 04 - 05:09 PM

Bravely put, pal.

Shatner, you are not welcome on this thread. You are part of the problem.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:23 AM

Quick sidenote: Rapaire, I don't know Phil Ochs' song but I do believe that the line must be "Maybe we should pull 'em back with our towin' chain."

(Just in case someone visualizes for an instant, as I did , a plastic lawn chair at the back of his car...)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:24 AM

Amos - There are problems with promoting competition in public schools.

#1 - It promotes cheating, lying, bullying

#2 - Children living in poverty are unable to compete on an equal playing field with those from 'privileged' backgrounds

#3 - Parents are more likely to exert undue pressure on their children when the educational environment stresses competition

#4 - It teaches that competition is good in all aspects of life

#5 - It does not promote positive team work

In a system that teaches co-operative learning there are many benefits

#1 - Lying, cheating and bullying are pointless - no reward

#2 - All children are given the opportunity to learn. They learn best from each other anyway.

#3 - Parents have no need to exert undue pressure

#4 - Co-operation does not lead to exploitation of others

#5 - Employers are more interested in positive team members than they are in students that excel. "A" students often have poor social skills.

Many of the public schools in Canada promote co-operative learning but it hasn't hurt the academic standards at all. In fact, Canadian education has an excellent international reputation. I have never known a teacher or a school to cater "to the lowest common denominator." I have known them to be all inclusive.

The incentive for excellence in co-operative learning is always doing your personal best or even competing against yourself to do better than you did last time. The reward is contributing your ideas, considering the ideas of others and achieving concensus. This is what is needed in the world today. A system that promotes individual excellence also promotes getting there at the expense of others. The reward is, of course, material gain. Therein lies the basis of Western stupidity.

Isn't friendship, healthy family relationships, good neighbors and a sense of balance and well being more valuable?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:27 AM

"Not deciding is a decision. Usually it's the wrong one. I have no idea how often I've decried the "gutless wonders" who, by not deciding or acting, have allowed wrong to go unchallenged. "


I could not have said it better.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:12 AM

we have a stupid belief that we are individuals with minds of our own. However we have a deep need to conform, which is exploited by our political leaders.

We can express our individuality in many acceptable ways, through fashion, music, books we read or TV shows we choose to watch. but when opinions challenge views that are strongly held by government, political and media spokespersons use derision, misinformation and humour to ensure that those contrary views remain unpopular and are not taken up by masses of people.

This sort of peer pressure happens in small groups of people and in large groups.

It can be isolating to choose beliefs over acceptance.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 06:49 AM

Fashion is certainly a statement Freda, but whether it is a statement of individuality, or evidence of victimhood is a moot point. If I see any more stupid people in trousers which end half way down their calves I shall scream. THEY LOOK STUPID. I always want to ask if their cat's died, and is that why they're wearing their trousers at half mast.
Western stupidity/insensitivity shows up everywhere, there was an ad for Sloggis [I think] showing four girls from behind wearing thongs [no not on their feet]high heels, and not a lot more So where did they put one of their posters showing four bare bums? Why opposite a mosque, that's where!!
DOH!
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 07:09 AM

You're right, Giok. Those girls wouldnt wear those clothes if they were not "in" fashion right now. The choice to freeze ones kidneys probably feels like an expression of individuality to those young girls, but the clothes they are wearing are manufactured en masse.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 07:17 AM

A quote from UK radio, apropos of kids and their individuality or lack thereof.
"All old people are different, and that's why they're interesting.
All young people are the same, and that's why they're boring."
Certainly made me sit up and take notice.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 07:25 AM

Last week I went to a forum on freedom of the press (in Sydney, Oz). Some of the journalists present described how when they tried to write articles about the effects of detention of refugees, they were told by their editors that the topic was too gloomy, people don't want to read about that (they like reading restaurant reviews). Those who persist are told they are too subjective, or that they are acting as advocates for the refugees.

The same adjectives (too subjective, acting as advocates), were applied to decision makers within our bureaucracy when the government wanted cases rejected. Now that there is an election coming up, and their refugee policies are a bit on the nose with the electorate, those comments are no longer being made, and the bureaucracy is again approving.

its so easy to control people's views, when you can control the media and the bureaucracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 07:30 AM

Where is the ghastly Pauline in all this election fever?
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 07:41 AM

She was jailed for electoral fraud, bonded with her fellow prisoners, and is now a critic of the judicial system, but no longer a politician. you can read about her here..

http://www.abc.net.au/goldcoast/stories/s1087067.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 07:50 AM

If human beings are so intelligent, why do so many build their homes in flood plains, places where hurricans hit, earthquake zones etc.? You will never see a woodchuck dig his hole anywhere near a floodplain. What does that tell us?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 08:09 AM

Dianavan:

Couldn't agree more regarding competition in public schools. I believe I stressed individual excellence. Not the same thing at all.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 08:36 AM

One of the many ways that we are stupid .. is
On what basis do we make our assumptions? How do we acquire our knowledge? How do we test our theories? And how do we use our knowledge in society? We have a situation where the people who are running our countries are businessmen, and put business interests first. Shouldn't we have a blend of people, representing a range of needs, eg doctors, scientists, environmentalists, businessmen and MUSICIANs etc. Our politicians come from too narrow a field. No wonder the world's stuffed up.

And those in different fields don't listen to each other. Here's an article about the different views or historians and archaeologists, as they try and understand the history of Africa.
http://www.h-net.msu.edu/~africa/africaforum/Vansina.html


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 08:40 AM

>Freda's Blue Clicky.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 08:52 AM

Our country is largely run by lawyers, as most of our MPs are or were lawyers.
The majority of our sports bodies are run by people who like football so other sports get very little coverage.

Whatever happened to "all men are created equal"

Stupidity like charity begins at home.

Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 08:57 AM

Those ideals, John, vanished long ago...swept away by a wave of commercialism and excess. The present motto of America is: "Give me convenience or give me death!" Thomas Jefferson warned that this might happen, and he would be horrified at what his country has become.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 09:40 AM

When any animal is offered an easy life, the animal will take it.

Humanity -- East and West -- for the most part -- has it easier than their parents or grandparents.

I sit at a computer and can communicate world-wide. I can do at least basic research on most topics without leaving my chair. I can order pizza and other foods and they'll be delivered, as will clothing, furniture, and many, many other things.

At universities there is a growing tendency to do research based upon the discoveries and theories of earlier researchers, without verifying the accuracy of the original observations. Why get your feet muddy, get mosquito bitten, and be uncomfortable when so-and-so did the observations ten years ago?

You can see where such "science" ends up.

The de-emphasis on critical thinking -- my college has dropped the logic requirement, even for those in computer science, for instance -- is just one indicator of intellectual sloth. The college also no longer requires a second language for graduation. I won't even speak about the high school except to say that Advanced Placement courses now teach what was standard fare for me.

These problems have nothing to do with individualism or cooperation or socialism. They DO have a lot to do with a culture that equates mental laziness with some (to me) undefined social good.

("When is the library going to on-line? I mean, all of it, so I don't have to come here for the book?"

"Are you willing to pay for that?"

"Well, no....")


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 09:45 AM

From the DT, and just as relevant now as when it was written:

SMALL CIRCLE OF FRIENDS
(Phil Ochs)

Oh look outside the window, there's a woman being grabbed
They drag her to the bushes and now she's being stabbed
Maybe we should call the cops and try to stop the pain
But Monopoly is so much fun, I'd hate to blow the game
And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Outside of a small circle of friends

Riding down the highway, yes, my back is getting stiff
Thirteen cars are piled up, they're hanging on a cliff
Maybe we should pull them back with our towing chain
But we gotta move and we might get sued and it looks like it's gonna rain
And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Outside of a small circle of friends

Sweating in the ghetto with the colored and the poor
The rats did join the babies who are sleeping on the floor
Now wouldn't it be a riot if they really blew their tops
But they got too much already and besides we've got the cops
And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Outside of a small circle of friends

Oh there's a dirty paper using sex to make her sales
The Supreme Court was so upset, they sent him off to jail
Maybe we should help the fiend and and take away his fine
But we're busy reading Playboy and the Sunday New York Times
And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Outside of a small circle of friends

Smoking Marihuana is more fun than drinking beer
But a friend of ours got busted and they gave him thirty years
Maybe we should raise our voices, ask somebody why
But demonstrations are a drag, besides we're much too high
And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Outside of a small circle of friends

Oh look outside the window, there's a woman being grabbed
They drag her to the bushes and now she's being stabbed
Maybe we should call the cops and try to stop the pain
But Monopoly is so much fun, I'd hate to blow the game
And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody
Outside of a small circle of friends

-------------------------------------------------------------
copyright Barricade Music
recorded by Phil Ochs on "Tape From California" (1968)
"This song, in its attack on hip passivity and indifference, displays
one of Ochs' finest qualities: the willingness to challenge hypocrisy
within his own audience" - Anthony DeCurtis


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 09:48 AM

I agree - analytical skills, critical thinking skills, debating, should all be taught in schools everywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 10:08 AM

Along with brotherhood and forgiveness.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: dianavan
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 11:36 AM

My daughter made a funny remark about the hippy generation and their so-called non-conformity. She asked me why, if hippies were such strong individualists, the only pants they ever wore were Levis? I guess nobody is immune to peer pressure.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 11:53 AM

cartoon from many years ago:

Two kids in brightly colored, tie-dyed clothes with beads and buttons and assorted symbols meet a friend who asks, "What's going on?" "We're fighting the Rising Tide of Conformity!" "Well, what's with the clothes, then?" "This is our uniform."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 11:59 AM

Hey! Levis were just the best quality jeans that were made back then. One of my high school teachers had a pair that lasted ten years in very good shape. If that wasn't a product that embodied the whole "live gently on the earth" philosophy that at least me and my hippy friends lived by, I don't know what does. To hell with fasion, give me a good, durable, and comfortable pair of jeans any day.

;-)

The main basic cause of Western Stupidity, in my opinion, is hubris.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:01 PM

We seemt o be gravitating to the idea that Sloth is a major vector in Western Stupidity, yes? A lot to be said for it. Logical reasoning, critical analysis, seeing the difference between reality and assertions, all take energy. Of course, there's nop inherent reason we should be anymore slothful than anyone else, except perhaps that we are more hypnotized than those in other nations. I think that tends to make people slothful.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:12 PM

Some causes of stupidity?

Pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony and sloth (the three-toed kind).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:29 PM

Yeah, those three-toed sloths -- they stare ya down and make ya feel all thick in the head...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:31 PM

Amos, it's like how fast they move, aye? Like, what's the hurry, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 12:36 PM

Yeah. No hurry. All die in the end anyway. Why bother? Take it easy. Anything on the tube?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 02:03 PM

Now yer, like, talkin' sense! Who's got smokes? Man, I could use a beer too, like right now, eh? What time is the wrestlin on?

Stupidity? It's, like, heredical, eh? You get it from your parents. That's my therorry and I';nm sticking to it.

- BDiBR


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 02:21 PM

Like, if I could watch sitcoms and reality TV, I could get better at thinkin', ya know? All we got here is forest and mountains (the Rockies), and like they really spoil the view.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:04 PM

Yeah, eh? Man, I feel sorry for you, Bruce, havin' ta look at them mountains all the time. I mean it's, like, okay for when your on a trip or somethin',..but every flippin' day!!! Day after day! I would get sick of it, eh? We don't have no mountains in Blind River and I think that is a good thing cos it would make the driving harder eh? All them ups and downs. It wold be hell on the transmition and the cars would all break down sooner.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:17 PM

I think we have demonstrated that we are all capable of acting out Western Stupidity without a moment's hesitation -- as though we are all tapped in to the main supply of it and know exactly what it would dictate at any moment. Interesting.

But that is not the question!

Regards,

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:31 PM

Let's not forget that the basic causes of Western stupidity are the same basic causes of Eastern stupidity. And I ain't talkin' about cowboy boots and wing-tips here.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:41 PM

In some ways, we have become quite complacent with how smart we are. The average 10 year old knows more science than most adults 200 years ago. Trips that used to take months can now be done in days or hours. We are IT. But, we don't have all that much longer to be IT. That is seriously scary. I mean a no-shit kinda scary. And we aren't doing much to change things.

Let's look at a very simple assumption that is out in our world. We can all get richer. Bullshit. If ya have a finite amount of money (however one defines that), then it stands to reason if one person gets richer, other people have to get poorer. But we still buy in to the dream. And the dream is a lie.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:12 PM

We don't recognize that ALL resources are finite.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about.

There are perhaps ten companies that sell library automation software. The libraries which can afford to automate have done so. The creation of new libraries is very uncommon, so the companies are feeding on each other's customers (it's called "migration" in the trade). Some offer a newly designed product -- not an upgrade, but a new product -- and when some of their customers move from the old to the new they call it "migration." No new customers are coming in, the companies aren't adapting the software for different uses (inventory control, for instance). With a finite number of libraries being courted by a finite number of vendors, you can figure the outcome without a lot of mental effort.

Same thing for everything else. Petroleum stocks will run out --and there are a LOT of things we make from petroleum, some of them far more necessary than gasoline and plastic bags. Water is already a valuable commodity, a "fightin' reason", in some parts of the world.

I see people here, in a drought-stricken high desert region, watering their lawns during the day! Yes! When most of the water will evaporate! And they use those sprinklers that throw the water into the air, instead of keeping it sensibly low. (I think that this will change this summer, because I think mandatory water rules are coming.)

Robert Heinlein wrote that Malthus was right, that starvation is always right around the corner. He was right -- and not just about food.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Frankham
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 06:53 PM

Fear. That's the most potent form of destructive behavior.

Beneath the bravado of the present day chest-beaters in Washington,
or Baghdad, or anywhere else, these guys are scared to death.

That's why the reactionary forces have dominated the discussion.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Amos
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 06:57 PM

Frank:

An honor to hear from you, sir! :>)

Curious how this fear gets underneath the skin, and spreads inside like some parasitic worm on the body politic.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 07:48 PM

Absolutely right, Frankham. Fear is the core problem from which all the other problems arise, and the Fear is based upon a deep misunderstanding of the nature and purposes of Life itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 08:03 PM

"I never watch Sesame Street; I know most of that stuff." (George Carlin)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 08:05 PM

Winner take all.
Judgemental projection from the wannabees, and the "also rans".
Indolence.
Lies.
Organized crime.
Poorly thought out "adjustments" to Democracy.
The Capitalization of the individual freedoms guarenteed us in the Constitution.

Stupidity causes stupidity everywhere!
ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: GUEST,Redhorse at work
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 08:41 AM

The belief that our narrow personal view based on our own limited experience is somehow a universal truth that others should be compelled - by force of arms if necessary - to accept.
We don't get much more stupid than that


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 08:51 AM

Being good haters, being unable to reconcile after bad feeling or misunderstandings.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:08 AM

Excellent observations!!

Does anyone have remedies to recommend?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:54 AM

Yes. Learn to meditate (from someone who already does so) and do so each morning and each evening. During your meditation, calm your mind and find your inner source of Love. It's there...but you can't hear it if you don't ever stop to listen.

Recognize that other people are as valuable...and no more valuable...than you.

If you already have an established prejudice about a religion, or another person, or something you perceive as different...investigate that something thoroughly. Find out more about it. Read books that both favour it and oppose it, so that you get some familiarity with different viewpoints. You will probably find your prejudice lessening in the light of greater knowledge about the subject.

Don't listen to the world news first thing in the morning. Meditate instead, and have a peaceful start to your day.

Spend time in the quiet of nature.

Learn patience. Read books. Watch less TV. Do less computer time. (Ha!)

Eat moderately and avoid addictions. Don't be dead serious all the time, but play sometimes.

Get your information from many sources, not one! (such as: the Bible, Fox News, NBC, the White House, etc...)

Question the conventional and investigate the unusual with an open mind.

Study many religions, not one. Study many philosophies, not one. Learn from many teachers. Be observant.

Do not waste your valuable energy in hatred, vengeance, and other such unproductive feelings.

Realize that it really doesn't matter who wins the hockey game. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 10:24 AM

And if you want to learn something useful about Cuba...go there and find out firsthand. :-) You will find to your amazement that it is not the vicious dictatorship that you imagined it to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 10:34 AM

Other things you can do: Go to bed by 10 pm, get up early in the morning, exercise every day, walk, get fresh air and sunshine. It helps.

The less television you watch, the more intelligent you will probably find yourself becoming day by day! I am not kidding.

And if you have a tendency to spend ALL your time "playing", be serious part of the time too. :-) Too much of any one thing becomes a problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 10:35 AM

Food, clothing, and shelter. In a wealthy and civilized country like ours, these should be inalienable rights. Period. The psychic and 'survival based' pressures placed on the poor are the harbingers of stupidity. So to, is the denial held close by the 'winners'... protected and maintained by this same fear of destitution... detrimental to intelligence.

Paradigm shift.

Peace! ttr


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Subject: RE: BS: The Basic Causes of Western Stupidity
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:09 PM

TtR: If I might add, food clothing and shelter should be inalienable rights all over this planet.

Peace.


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