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SueB 09 May 04 - 03:38 PM
GUEST,Grab 09 May 04 - 07:22 PM
GUEST,ttr 09 May 04 - 08:29 PM
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Peace 09 May 04 - 11:04 PM
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Thomas the Rhymer 10 May 04 - 12:29 AM
MAG 10 May 04 - 01:47 AM
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George Papavgeris 10 May 04 - 12:32 PM
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dianavan 11 May 04 - 12:21 AM
Thomas the Rhymer 11 May 04 - 02:23 AM
George Papavgeris 11 May 04 - 03:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: SueB
Date: 09 May 04 - 03:38 PM

This thread really cracks me up! Especially the part where I was reminded of my "responsibility" as a woman to act as a "Guidance System for Men"! Oh my God, I almost snorted my French roast coffee right out my nose!

If the question is (I can't even remember for sure) how to update Christine Lavin's song for the New Millenium, the answer is :

metrosexuals

which only has five syllables as opposed to six, but we ought to be able to work with that. As far as I am able to discern, the major concerns of a metrosexual are, hair products, designer clothing and shoes, interior decoration, and hair products. Where's Freda - we could use her talents here.


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: GUEST,Grab
Date: 09 May 04 - 07:22 PM

"can this song be saved?"

Probably not.

Like a lot of things, poking fun at your own group is considered a sign of a lively sense of humour, but poking fun at another group is often considered bad manners. Chris Rock can do a great stand-up routine about upwardly-mobile blacks, but I don't know that a white guy could get away with it. Maybe it's illogical, but hell, we're human, right? we're allowed to be illogical.

And I think the song wasn't really that funny in the first place - maybe if it had been a bit funnier, there'd be no objections. The "Inner Bitch" one I did like though - I know a few women who'd enjoy singing that one.

Graham.

PS. Happy to cry at weddings, and I don't feel the need to see lousy Tarantino films anyway. And my bumper stickers say "Go hang-gliding" on the left and "Give blood" on the right... ;-)


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: GUEST,ttr
Date: 09 May 04 - 08:29 PM

Sorry 'bout yor french toast, there SueB... Glad I could give you a chuckle... but you're much more powerful than you let on...

My point exactly, Grab... the recipient of such one sided and pseudo bigoted humor is 'expected' to chuckle along... simply because they are being coersed or some level... however slight...

...and yes, I do believe that making one's self the joke is much mre acceptable... But I've found that people often lose respect for someone who isn't out there tooting their own horn... 24/7. Oh well... if they are that easily disappointed...

the stakes are too low for such ridiculousness... imho.
ttr


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: SueB
Date: 09 May 04 - 10:53 PM

It was coffee, not french toast, but that's okay, Tom. You certainly are sensitive. I think you'd be more comfortable without that big ol' corncob, though. Is that the kind of guidance you were talking about? No, really, I'm just kidding around. But how about you guys try being responsible for your own selves, rather than laying it all on us girls. Are all the women in your life supposed to be in loco parentis?

I'm not your mommy, you know. I've got enough responsibilities without being responsible for some idiot guy. That's what I was laughing about, Tom. But thanks for reassuring me about my power.
Really.


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 04 - 11:04 PM

Hey, SueB, your loco parent is what?


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: SueB
Date: 09 May 04 - 11:52 PM

In loco parentis - Latin - means in the place of your parent, in case you weren't funning me, brucie...


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 10 May 04 - 12:29 AM

French roast? What a waste of perfectly good coffee. Now I'm really sad!

No, No. No parenting please. Totally off the chart for missing my drift there Sue... You ladies effect our actions and our goals... by what you will tollerate, and what you expect of us. If you stand your ground and communicate reasonably... the more 'open minded' of us (and there are more every day) will respond. You will get your 'better man'... and your better man will begin to know what it is to be 'less confused'... thanks to you.

BTW... I'm more than comfortable 'being a man'... so comfy, in fact, that I can fearlessly push the warp of what it actually means to BE one... without dwelling on images and posturing to prove anything.

...and while I'm at it... will you ladies PLEASE realisticly raise your standards of men... so we have something to work together on? Otherwise, we've just got to be unfeeling and wrong a lot... in that rather low loop of defensiveness... that some call 'manhood'.
ttr


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: MAG
Date: 10 May 04 - 01:47 AM

...and while I'm at it... will you ladies PLEASE realisticly raise your standards of men... so we have something to work together on? Otherwise, we've just got to be unfeeling and wrong a lot... in that rather low loop of defensiveness... that some call 'manhood'.
ttr

er, that's why so many of us second wavers are single, ttr --

(bg, ducking and running ...)


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: dianavan
Date: 10 May 04 - 12:05 PM

Ttr - You have to raise your own standards. Women have had to do that themselves. Women certainly have not changed according to what men have expected of them.

Men have to do it as well. The change will only happen when men start calling other men on their bullshit.


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 04 - 12:30 PM

SueB: I was funnin' ya. I work as a teacher. The term is part of The School Act. To act in place of the parent; to do what a responsible parent would do in like circumstances. But, thank you. BM


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 10 May 04 - 12:32 PM

Perhaps it's not as simple as that, dianavan. This is not a discrete process (recognise fault, correct) except perhaps for individuals. In the world at large, different men (and women) change at varying rates, and in response to varying stimuli (education, being teased, can't get a girlfriend etc). In this context, the opposite sex has its role to play, either positively (recognising and rewarding change) or, God forbid, negatively (talking about wanting sensitivity yet lusting after macho men).

I think that's what Ttr is on about - OK, we're trying to change, but don't hinder our progress by showing double standards as a sex. Neither does a "well, we did it ourselves, your turn now" encourage, as it can introduce a certain antagonism.

Thomas, I think we have to accept that while individual ladies may prefer one type of partner, there will also be those that prefer the other (I know this reads bad, but you know what I mean). We just have to plod on as best we can. And keep looking (I stopped 31 yrs ago, just lucky I guess).


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 May 04 - 02:10 PM

'Oversensitive New Age Guys' would be an update, but it's not a good word to fit in the metre.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: Peace
Date: 10 May 04 - 03:04 PM

I don't fit in this category at all. I am a sensitive old age guy. But, I no longer find any humour in bad jokes: "Did you hearr about the gal who fell off her watter skis and broke the world's record for the hundred yard douche?" That ain't funny. I am not laughing. That's how sensitive I am.


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: dianavan
Date: 11 May 04 - 12:21 AM

El Greko - Heres how I see it. As an invisible minority, I am often privy to racist jokes. I can sit there and play dumb so that I fit in or I can object and point out that its a racist remark.

Men can do the same. What I mean by educating each other, is just that simple. When you know that an attitude or a sexist remark is wrong, you have to speak up. Don't leave it to the ladies to always point it out. When men start telling men to 'smarten up' we will begin to see some real change. Sad to say, even when they know its wrong, most men will 'go along' because they do not want to appear 'new age' or....


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 11 May 04 - 02:23 AM

I agree with you dianavan... men can speak up to great avail... but women are stong in the trump suit, which are hearts in this case...

Excellent post El Greko... When she choses 'the other', she validates his 'ways'... and condones them with a nod that ripples out into society as Love then elevates them both...

Overly sensitive new age guys
Will share with you... meaning as well
But the man who will win every fighter denies
the humanity saved by the belle...
ttr


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 May 04 - 03:31 AM

Yes, dianavan is right on the education point. I guess to date I have been courageous enough to "block" such jokes some 25% to 50% of the time. Can do better... But I am proud to say that my son must be near the 100% mark. At age 17 he was correcting me already. At age 18 he married (an absolutely cracking lass from Canberra, an intelligent and pleasant corker of a girl), so he too went out of circulation early like his Dad.

I guess we, the good'uns, get snapped up early....;-)


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: dianavan
Date: 11 May 04 - 01:18 PM

El Greko - You are so right. All through high-school my son didn't date. When he mentioned that the girls seemed to prefer the guys with hot cars and big muscles, I told him not to worry. When you are a little older, the women will be looking for husbands and fathers and the game will change. Well, sure enough, it was the older gals who first noticed him. They wanted someone who was 'emotionally available' and someone they could trust.

You're right when you say the good ones get snapped up early.


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Subject: RE: Let's update 'Sensitive New Age Guys'
From: Cluin
Date: 11 May 04 - 01:30 PM

brucie, I'm laughing. Hadn't heard that one before...


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Subject: ADD: 'Sensitive New Age Guys' (2012)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Oct 14 - 12:14 AM

SENSITIVE NEW AGE GUYS
(Christine Lavin - as she sang it in 2012)

Who like to talk about their feelings?
Sensitive New-Age Guys
Who knows if you kiss a booboo it will start healing?...
Whose dream car is a hybrid stationwagon?...
Whose favorite song is "Puff the Magic Dragon"?...

Who like to cry at weddings?
Who think that football is so very upsetting?
Whose favorite place to hang out is a shopping mall?
And at the movie "Castaway" cried for Wilson the volleyball? (Ooh…)

Whose last names are hyphenated?...
Who walked out of Long Dong Silver, a movie they hated?...
Who prefers clothing styles understated?...
Who thinks a full head of hair is overrated?...
Who think that red meat is disgusting?
Who's into UFO's, channelling & dusting?
Who wears Tikka sandals w/ black socks?
Who says John Tesh really rocks?
[or Who believes us when we say we have pre-menstrual tension?
Who doesn't mind if we get all the attention?]

Who likes music that's repetitious?... (repeat)
Who used to be wild men but now are calm?...
Who now call their wives "Mom!"?...
Who carries the baby on his back?
Who thinks the Dalai Lama is on the inside track?
Who sings on singalongs even when they
Can't stand stupid singalong songs? (Ooh…)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=surORFacJKA


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