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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 May 04 - 09:07 AM

Joe O

My Word compilation shows 2,073 song title entries so far. Not bad for a few hours.

The thing I find surprising is how few "multiples" there are. There are a few exceptions that each appear in 5 or 6 of the books, but not all that many. There are quite a few that are in two or three books, but even that amount of repetition is much lower than I would have expected, given the "family relationship" between the books.

With comments removed, book id once each, and one line per song title, I've got a 47 page TOC in Word. Of course that's at 12 pt type, so I can read it. I may have to cut back to 4 pt to save some disk space.

John


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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 May 04 - 02:53 AM

The Follett and Silver Burdett books are really quite wonderful. Oftentimes, a song won't have more than one verse, but the books have broad collections of traditional songs. The illustrations are good, too. I have a mixed collection of other books, particularly the Birchard "Singing School" series. The Brichard index setup is a bit more difficult to scan, so they'll have to wait until next week.
Thanks to all who have contributed to this project. Keep 'em coming.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 09:38 PM

My daughter, retired teacher, has told me of the fate of these books in this city (Some Scott-Burdetts were used,dates uncertain. The older school where she first taught had a basement filled with these and other old texts. In a general cleanup they were trucked to landfill (Before recycling here). I would guess that the same fate overtook these books elsewhere. Teaching with these books ended here about 1980.


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Subject: Index: English Folk Songs for Schools
From: masato sakurai
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 09:11 PM

English Folk Songs for Schools
Collected and arranged by Sabine Baring-Gould and Cecil J. Sharp
Publisher & date: J. Curwen & Sons Ltd., n.d. [1906]

Blow away the morning dew
Carrion Crow, The
Coasts of Barbary, The
Cock-a-doodle-doo
Cold blows the wind
Country farmer's son, The
Creeping Jane
Cuckoo, The
Dabbling in the dew
The Dark-eyed Sailor
Evening Prayer, The (Matthew, Mark, and Luke and John)
Flowers in the Valley, The
Foolish Boy, The
Fox, The
Frog and the mouse, The
Frog he would a-wooing go, A
Golden Glove, The
Golden Vanity, The
Hares on the mountains
Henry V and the King of France
Henry Martin (first version)
Henry Martin (second version)
High Germany
Jolly Waggoner, The
Just as the tide was a-flowing
Let Bucks a-hunting go
Lord Bateman
Lord Randal
Lord Thomas and Fair Elleanor
Loyal Lover, The
Merry Haymakers, The
Mowing the Barley
Near London Town
Old Man and his Wife, The
Old Woman and the Pedlar, The
One Michaelmas Morn
Outlandish Knight, The
Outward and Homeward Bound
Poor old Horse
Robin-a-Thrush
Saucy Sailor, The
Seeds of Love, The
Shepherd's Daughter, The
Simple Ploughboy, The
Sir John Barleycorn
Sly Reynard
Strawberry Fair
Sweet England
Sweet Nightingale
Tailor and the Mouse, The
This old Man
Three Huntsmen, The
Two Magicians, The
Wraggle Taggle Gipsies, O!, The


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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 08:06 PM

Scott Burdett series "Making Music," now published by Scott
Foresman, has nine volumes. These are Grades K, 1-8.
I can't find descriptions, but here is the price listing for Grade 8:
Student ed. $55.15
Teachers Ed. $89.35
Keyboard Accompaniments $47.85
Resource Book $102.00
Teacher Resource Package $270.45
ETC.!
For Kindergarten, no student book, but Teacher "Big Book" $395.00 and Keyboard acc. $47.85.

Sheesch! No wonder general music instruction no longer exists in the grade schools.

Prices from www.scottforesmancatalog.com


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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 04:26 PM

Joe O -

Carl Sandburg's American Songbag has a tune for "Two White Horses." Could you tell if the play song maybe uses the same tune?

I haven't pulled the book, but my index indicates he has a "score" (my index key for "more than a single line melody") for this one.

John


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Subject: Index: The National Song Book; Boosey & Co
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 09:52 AM

Following Joe's example. Here's one of the main songbooks in use when I was in school in Wales. The book was in use throughout Britain.

"The National Song Book" volume 1
A complete collection of the Folk-songs, Carols and Rounds, suggested by the Board of Education (1905)
Edited and arranged by: Charles Villiers Stanford
Copyright 1906 by Boosey & Co.

Adieu to dear Cambria
Adieu, sweet Amyrillus
Afton Water
A-hunting we will go
All through the night
A man's a man for a' that
Amid the new-mown hay
And ye shall walk in silk attire
Annie Laurie
Ash Grove (The)
As slow our ship
As vanquished Erin
At the mid-hour of the night
Auld Hoose (The)
Auld Lang Syne
Avenging and bright
Away to the wars

Bailiff's daughter (The)
Barbara Allen
Barley Mow (The)
Bay of Biscay (The)
Begone, dull care
Bells of Aberdovey (The)
Blackbird (The)
Black monk (The)
Black Sir Harry
Blow, blow thou Winter Wind
Blue-Bells of Scotland (The)
Boat, a boat (A)
Boatie rows (The)
Bonnie brier bush (The)
British Grenadiers

Caller Herrin'
Campbells are coming (The)
Ca' the ewes
Chairs to mend
Charlie is my darling
Cherry ripe
Clare's Dragoons
Come, follow me
Come, lasses and lads
County of Mayo (The)
Cuckoo madrigal (The)

Darby Kelly
David of the White Rock
Dove (The)
Drink to me only
Dulce Domum

Early one morning
Exile of Cambria (The)

Fairest isle
Farewell, but whenever
Farewell, Manchester
Fie, nay, prithee, John
First Nowell (The)
Flight of the Earlt (The)
Flowers of the Forest (The)
   Mrs Cockburn's poem
   Miss Jane Elliot's poem

Forget not the field
Forth to the battle

Gaping catch (The)
Gentle maid in secret sighed (A)
Girl I left behind me (The)
God rest ye, merry gentlemen
God save the King
Golden slumbers
Golden Vanity (The)
Good Christian men, rejoice
Good King Wenceslas
Good morrow, mistress bright
   (Good morrow, pretty maid)
Go to Joan Glover
Go to where Glory waits thee
Great Tom is cast
Gwendoleen's repose

Happy clown (The)
   (The Happy Farmer)
Hark! The bonny Christchurch bells
Heart of oak
Here awa', there awa'
Here's a health unto His Majesty
Heroes of the sea (The)
Hey ho! the morning dew
Hope, the hermit
Hundred pipers (The)
Hunting the hare
Hunt is up (The)

I'd mourn the hopes
I'd bid my heart be still
In the Vale of Llangollen
It is not the tear
It was a lover and his lass
I've found my bonny babe a nest

Joan to the Maypole
Jock o' Hazeldene
John Peel

Keel row (The)
Kelvin Grove

Lady GwennyLady Owen's delight
Lament of Flora Macdonald
Land of my fathers (The)
Lass of Richmond Hill (The)
Lay his sword by his side
Leafy Cool-Kellure
Leezie Lindsay
Let Erin remember
Let now the harp
Let's have a peal
Little red lark (The)
Look, neighbours, look
Loudly proclaim

Marching to Candahar
Marsh of Rhuddlan (The)
Maypole (The)
Meeting of the waters (The)
Melody of the harp (The)
Men of Dovey's delight
Men of Harlech (The)
Mermaid (The)
Miller's daughter (The)
Minstrel boy (The)
Missing boat (The)
Mistletoe (The)
More of Cloyne
My dame hath a lame, tame crane
My gentle harp
My love's an arbutus

New Year's eve
Now is the month of Maying
Now, Robin, lent to me thy bow
Now strike the harp

O Absolom
O Bay of Dublin
O'Donnell's march
O for the swords of former time
Oh, breathe not his name
Oh, the oak and the ash
Oh why left I my hame
Oh my love
On this day
O sleep, my baby
Over the stone

Piper of Dundee (The)
Polly Oliver

Queen's dream (The)
Quern tune (The)

Raise us a riddle
Remember thee
Remember the glories of Brien the brave
Remember the poor
Rising of the lark (The)
Roast Beef of Old England (The)
Robin Adair
Rowan tree (The)
Rule, Britannia

Scots wha hae
She is far from the land
She must be mine
She weepeth sore
Sigh no more, ladies
Silent, oh Moyle
Since first I saw your face
Sing, sweet harp
Sing we merrily
Slaves of the world
Song of the Western men
Songs Erin sings (The)
Spring is coming (The)
Stars in Heaven are bright (The)
Sweet Innisfallen

There's nae luck
There was a jolly miller
This garden now
Thou bonnie wood of Craigielea
Three Kings of orient
'Tis gone for ever
'Tis humdrum (Gaping catch)
Tom Bowling
To Portsmouth
To the Maypole haste away
Turn again, Whittington
'Twas one of those dreams
'Twas pretty in Ballinderry

Under the greenwood-tree
Under this stone
Under yonder oaken tree
Useful plough (The)

Vale of Clwyd (The)
Venture, Gwen
Vicar of Bray

Wae's me for Prince Charlie
Wassail song (The)
We be three poor mariners
Weep not, I pray
We three Kings of orient are
Wha wadna fecht for Charlie
When she answered me
When thro' life unblest we rove
Where the bee sucks
White sand and grey sand
White Snowdon
Why lingers my gaze?
Will ye no come back again?
Wilt thou lend me thy mare?
Wind, gentle evergreen
With Jockey to the fair
   (Amid the new-mown hay)
Woe to the day
Would you know my Celia's charms?

Ye banks and braes
Ye mariners of England
Ye shall walk in silk attire
You gentlemen of England

Welsh Titles of the Welsh Songs
Ar hyd y nos
Breuddwyd y Frnhines
Clychau Aberdyfi
Cnot y coed
Codiad yr hedydd
Dafydd y Gareg Wen
Difyrrwch gwyr Dyfi
Difyrrwch y brenin
Eryri Wen
Hela'r 'sgyfarnog
Hen wlan fy nhadau
Hun Gwenllian
I Blas Gogerddan
I wisgo aur-goron
Llandyfri
Llwyn on
Mae croesawaid gwraig y ty
Mentra, Gwen
Merch y Melinydd
Morfa Rhuddlan
Nos Galan
Pant Corlan yr Wyn
Pe cawn i hon
Rhyfelgyrch Capten Morgan
Rhyfelgyrch gwyr Harlech
Serch hudol
Syr Harri Ddu
Tros y gareg
Wrth edrych yn ol
Y Deryn pur
Y Fwyalchen
Ymadawiad y brenin
Y Mynach Du
Yn Nyffryn Clwyd
Yn Nyffryn Llangollen
Yr Alltud o Gymru

Note: The National Song Book (1906) is available at
Google Books and archive.org. -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 05:28 AM

Well Joe - I thought I'd grab a couple of my old school song books and do a quicky, but - they have no Table of Contents and no usable index. Only a "by subjects" list, with multiple repeats. Also lots of "discussion" headings that look like songs in the list but aren't.

I do have one called New Music Horizons, Book 6 that is the 6th grade Kansas "official" music book, 1946 edition, from a recent garage sale outing. It seems to have some songs that aren't listed above, but it's going to take some serious sorting to figure out a list. It is another Silver-Burdett ©, but is printed by the Kansas State Printer.

A couple of others seem mostly to repeat parts of your lists.

John


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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 08:04 PM

Joe, I sure wish I had this much time on my hands! I have several of the books you've listed, as well as other grade levels of some of the above editions, but it's going to be some time before I can post the indices (of course, now that I have your snail address...)

(I never did find the MacMillan book with Four White Horses, but I have since found it in 3 other books at school! I'll look for them tomorrow)

Allison


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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 06:33 PM

Joe, please give author and full title. Silver Burdett has been publishing and revising these books since the 1890s, different authors.

the Book 4 that you haven't listed-
Author- McConathy et al.
Title- The Music Hour, 4th Book (1937, etc.)

First Book etc.- Title and author depends on edition-
Author- Marsell et al.
Title- I Like the City, 1st Book (1956, etc.)
or
Author- Eleanor Smith
Title- A First book in Vocal Music (1901, etc.
and etc.
I thought of that, Q, but each book has a laundry-list of authors, and most stay the same even when the authors' names change. I'll think about it, and may try to get around to adding names later.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 04:29 PM

Do you mean, post the text of the table of contents or index, so we get a list of song titles? That is, if one has a scanner that grabs text.

Do you also want publisher info from the front of the book and the year of publication?

~S~


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Subject: RE: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 04:16 PM

There's another thread on a play-party song called "Four White Horses," and Animaterra says she found it in a achool songbook. I wanted to post the tune, so I looked through lots of songbooks, but couldn't find the song. I have lots of school songbooks, but it's a hassle to look through them each time I want to find a song. If I post the index of each songbook here, the song should turn up in Mudcat search.
If you have songbook you'd like to index, be sure to put the title of the book and authors, series name, publication date and publisher, and grade level. Let's reserve this thread for school and children's songbooks only.
Thanks.

-Joe Offer-
One thing I forgot to mention - I'm assuming that the people who post these indexes have the books in their possession, and that they are able to post the songs they've index if requested. If you do NOT have ready access to the songbook you're indexing, be sure to note that. Thanks. -Joe Offer-


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Subject: School Songbook Index PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 04:12 PM

This is an edited PermaThread, and all messages posted here are subject to editing and deletion.
This thread is intended to serve as a forum for indexing school songbooks.

Search for other PermaThreads


How to use Songbook Indexes

Use [CTRL-F] to find the song you want, and then post a request for the song at the bottom of the thread. We'll contact the songbook owner and obtain the lyrics, and we'll post an answer or a link in your request message.

    Silver Burdett School Songbooks

  • Silver Burdett Making Music Your Own Series (1960's)
    • Making Music Your Own, Book 5 (Silver Burdett, 1971, Grade 5)
    • Making Music Your Own, Book 6 (Silver Burdett, 1965, Grade 6)
  • Silver Burdett Music For Living Series (1950's)
    • Music Through The Day (Silver Burdett, 1956, Grade 1)
    • Music in Our Town (Silver Burdett, 1956, Grade 2)
    • Music Now and Long Ago (Silver Burdett, 1956, Grade 3)
    • Music Near and Far (Silver Burdett, 1956, Grade 4)
    • Music In Our Country (Silver Burdett, 1956, Grade 5)
    • Music Around the World (Silver Burdett, 1956, Grade 6)
  • Silver Burdett New Music Horizons Series (1940's)
    • New Music Horizons Fifth Book Silver Burdett, 1946 & 53, Grade 5)
  • The Music Hour Series (1930's)
    • The Music Hour (Silver Burdett, 1929, Grade 4)
    • The Music Hour, One-Book Course (Silver Burdett, 1932)
    • Music Highways and Byways (Silver Burdett, 1936, Ungraded)
  • Silver Burdett Music (Silver Burdett, 1975, Junior High)
  • Silver Burdett Music, Centennial Edition (Silver Burdett, 1985, Grade 4)
  • Silver Burdett Music, Centennial Edition (Silver Burdett, 1985, Ungraded)

    Follett School Songbooks

  • Follett Together We Sing Series
    • Together We Sing (All Grades Edition) (Follett, 1950)
    • Music Through the Year (Follett, 1956)
    • Voices of the World (Follett, 1956)
    • Music Across Our Country (Follett, 1956)
    • Voices of America (Follett, 1960)
    • Music Sounds Afar (Follett, 1958)
    • Music Round the Clock (Follett, Grades 1-2)
    • Proudly We Sing (Follett, upper grades) - missing

  • Mason Brothers Song-Garden Series
  • "The National Song Book" volume 1 (1906, Boosey & Co)
  • English Folk Songs for Schools Collected and arranged by Sabine Baring-Gould and Cecil J. Sharp (J. Curwen & Sons Ltd., n.d. [1906])
  • BBC Time & Tune Series
  • Singing Together (BBC, 1990)
  • BBC Singing Together (unrelated)
  • Online School Songbooks
  • The World of Music (Ginn, 1936, grade not cited)
  • Third Music Reader (Ginn & Heath, 1880)
  • The School Songbook (Birchard, 1911)
  • A Book of Songs (Schirmer, 1924)
  • The Lake High School Song Book (Scott, Forsman, 1915)
  • Marching Songs for Young Crusaders (National Woman's Christian Temperance Union, 1904)

School songbooks often have abbreviated or sanitized versions of songs - but they also often have tunes that we may be missing, which is one reason why I started this thread.
To find a song, use [CTRL-F] on your keyboard, and put in a pertinent word from the song title.
from Q:
    In late 1956, Silver Burdett books for grades 1-2 became:
    1.1 and 1.2: I Like the Country.

    Among the Follett books, Music Round the Clock is for lower grades, the rest seem to be unspecified.

Online Songbooks

(from Masato Sakurai)
Two 19th-century school songbooks are available online:

School melodies : containing a choice collection of popular airs with original and appropriate words composed expressly for the use of schools / by J.W. Greene.
Greene, J. W. (James Whitman)
72 p. of music ; 11 x 17 cm.
Boston : Morris Cotton, c1852.

Dainty songs for little lads and lasses : for use in the kindergarten, school and home / by James R. Murray.
Murray, James R. (James Ramsey), 1841-1905.
1 score (160 p.) ; 16 cm.
Cincinnati : John Church Co., c1887.
Other 19th-century school songbooks online (at American Memory):

School Songs: Grammar School, no. 1, by H. W. Fairbank (Chicago: Winchell & Co., S. R., 1883)

The American School Music Reader: A Systematically Graded Course of Instruction in Music for Public Schools, Second Book, by L.O. Emerson and W.S. Tilden (Boston: Ditson & Co., Oliver, 1874)

American School Music Reader (Boston: Ditson & Co., 1874) [cover & title page lacking]

Bailey's School Songs, by E. H. Bailey (Boston: White, Smith & Co., 1880)

Bailey's School Songs And Music Reader, by Eben H. Bailey (Boston: White, Smith & Co., 1880)

Supplementary Music to the High School Music Reader, by Julius Eichberg (Boston: Ginn Heath & Co., 1884)
Old schoolbook on line: The New England Primer, 1777.
Primer

It has some interesting rhymed couplets tied to the alphabet, "Dr. Watts's Cradle Hymn," verses for children (threatening 'dreadful fiery Hell,' etc.


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