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BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost

Slag 04 Apr 08 - 06:54 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Slag
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 06:54 PM

Susan, I am reminded of the story of the ten lepers whom Jesus healed. They all ran off delighted to be free from what, I am sure, they considered the ultimate affliction which could only end in a horrible death. Only one return to acknowledge the healer.

The "foxhole" mentality of many who make prayer a last resort is surely an insult to the one who laid down His life for them that they might be saved. And to just pray to anyone who might be listening is further insult. Could it be the One whose name you (rhetorical "you" of course) use as a by-word dozens of times a day? "Jesus Christ" or Jesus "H" Christ" or "Jesus *&*%^%$*& Christ". Or maybe the Deity Himself, as in "GD" or "OMG" or other such epithets. Are you going to pray to Him when the time comes? Well, maybe for something as important as a hockey game, He will understand and make allowances.

Oh, that's right. You don't REALLY believe in Him. That makes it OK. You couldn't be held responsible for something you didn't believe in or that you weren't sure of, right? Do you understand what it means to take the name of God in vain? Exactly what I have enumerated in the foregoing. Well, that's your choice, then and God definitely gives us a choice. He also tells us that a day is coming when every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ IS Lord of all, whether you believe it or not.

If you are going to pray, know him to whom you are praying.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,thebecker
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 03:11 PM

the holy spirit is the one who goes to god with our prayrs, so to speak. and when you pray for the baptism of the holy spirit you pretty much asking for a free tickt as an easy way to talk to god.

not that you need the holy spirit to talk to god, you can do that on your own.

but what the holy spirit does is prays for you thru you(tongues) so that its not so jumbled with the clumsy speach of humans.

the holy spirit is just a faccet of god, one that christians can use to their advantage when they want to pray for other people, themselves or difficult situations we just cant pray about on our own.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Nov 07 - 11:21 AM

FWIW, and nothing to do with this thread, if a user changes his posting name, ALL his past posts will automatically reflect the new name.

That's true, if the member changes it him/herself by editing her/his member info, but it's also been done another way by request to Joe Offer-- where the old posts remain as originally credited (perhaps with the addition of ("inactive") in the posting name, and then the member starts a new membership with a new screen name.

I've done both. Originally-"Praise" posts all automatically became "WYSIWYG" posts, and an alternative ego "Sugar Dog" became inactive. I think someone else's posts became "New Name (Formerly Old Name)" posts. At another forum, "banned" members' posts and PMs can be disappeared entirely, or their membership name may remain visisble but their password has been changed by mods so they can never log in again or get to PMs. The approach depends on software, mod style, and policies.

Mudcat, as in so many other respects, is a little more creative-- it's The Folky Effect. The key is, if you want to change your membership here, you might want to TALK TO JOE. The Mudcat membership policies are in the FAQ. The potential application in individual circumstances can be explored.

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Back to the thread. I just saw an NHL news-blurb that captures, for me, the BEST way to refer to one's spirituality in mixed company:

Forward Tyler Kennedy said the two minutes he spent in the penalty box near the end of the third period against the Islanders on Thursday were "the longest of [his] life." The Penguins held a 3-2 lead when Kennedy was called for hooking with 3:12 remaining in regulation.

"You have no idea how nerve-racking it is," Kennedy said. "As a rookie, you do not want to be in the [penalty] box in that situation. I was praying to anybody that could help me out that [the Islanders] would not tie [the score]. Somebody must be looking over my shoulder. Maybe my grandma."



I think he was joking, but IMO it's actually a great model to emulate.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Slag
Date: 16 Nov 07 - 01:42 AM

Kinda like, uh, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 06:15 PM

FWIW, and nothing to do with this thread, if a user changes his posting name, ALL his past posts will automatically reflect the new name.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: PoppaGator
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 05:05 PM

The earliest post credited to "Once Famous" is dated April '04, and the most recent is dated May '06. That's in the entire Mudcat archive, as revealed by clicking on the name ~ not just in this thread,

Was Martin Gibson's tenure among us really only two years long? Seemed like damn near forever...

His contributions to this thread were clearly posted under the name Martin Gibson when they first appeared ~ that's obvious from other people's comments. So I conclude that most, if not all, of the archived messages currently attributed to Once Famous originally bore the name Martin Gibson.

I can't tell which, if any, of the most recent "Once Famous" posts may have originally appeared under the revised name of Once Famous. In other words, did MG change his handle and then continue posting (however briefly) under the revised name? Or did he change his name as a sort of good-bye gift, and immediately quit participating?

Or did someone else impose a "posthumous" name-change after he had gone for good ~ perhaps out of sympathy for those who were so grieviously insulted by MG that the mere sight of his name would be somehow traumatic?

Curiouser and curiouser...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Slag
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 04:15 PM

Maybe his next incarnation will be Gretsch Carvin???!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: PoppaGator
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 04:07 PM

The most interesting thing I learned reading through this thread is that "Martin Gibson" apparently didn't quit and go away a couple of years back ~ he just changed his name to "Once Famous."

Or did he truly quit, and then someone else put in the name-change just to purge the name "Martin Gibson" from all Mudcat archives, including old threasd like this one?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 03:47 PM

My point exactly, Slag. The universal function of the mind manifests itself in tribes completely untouched by Western etymology. The mind of a Western person is certainly likely to be cluttered up with all kinds of symbols and connections associated with Christianity's timelien, but that is not its basic nature; that is its content.

And to go one step further, the etymological legacies of which you speak are, in their nature, imposed laws of associative logic. That which DOES the associating, though, is as different from those rules and linkages as G.W. Bush is separate from some long-ago lifetime as a Buddhist ascetic in the 3rd century....WAY separate. :D


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Slag
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 03:20 PM

Agreed Amos. But! (and there it is, the little driver of all things, so it seems :E)) But, the letters, the words, patterns and biases bare a subtle influence or stronger upon those otherwise godless works. Consider the word "electricity". There is a connection to the Greek word for sheep but what really does sheep have to do with a scientific word? Well it's front-loaded with science but it's roots are still embedded in antiquity. Of course the choice was made because of the earliest observance of electric phenomena was picking up static charge from wool to an amber rod. With the dawning comes morning and mourning become Elektra. :D sorry about that. Did you know that the word check, in every nuance traces back to the game of chess? It's true.

So, while we may divorce ourselves form belief in the divine we cannot deny the influence that the concept (think of all the words that have "-cept" [to grasp] in them) of divinity, be it Grecco-Roman of Jewish. It may be a question of degrees in the individuals' mind but it is inescapably there. And history demonstrates a not-so-subtle influence: holy wars, Crusades, Aryanism, Jonestown and the Hale/Bopp cult to mention just a few.

Along the line of the original question (...what is 'spirit'?) I find it most amazing that virtually every band and tribe on earth, no matter how primitive had a concept of spirit. Virtually universal.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 10:37 AM

Slag:

I was making a distinction between the functions of the mind and its contents. While many libraries have many books about Christianity, for example, it is perfectly possible to have a very embracive, rich library with absolutely no books on Christianity in it, and it will still be a good library.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 03:36 AM

I think I've made my own beliefs clear elsewhere, and so I'm probably not qualified fior this thread, but I would recommend to you Queen Elizabeth I's response when asked her opinion on an equally thorny problem, the Real Presence:

Christ was the Word that spake it:
He took the bread and brake it:
And what His word doth make it,
That I believe and take it.

I bet God really regretted letting the Greeks get hold of Christianity.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 02:24 AM

The holy ghost might mean the same thing as inspiration.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Slag
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 12:44 AM

Thanks Bill D. Only that I were a little more computer-literate!

Amos! You are an intelligent person! That is like saying Siddartha or Lao Tze only had a passing association with the developement of the Oriental mind! Unbelieveable! Also,I must point out, the computer is not a self-aware entity and does not regard anything.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 09:57 PM

The development of Christian thought and that of the western mind are forever interlinked

That may be true on a casual inspection, but I sincerely doubt the roots of the western mind have more than a passing association with the history of Christianity, as a sort of temporary load in memory. As a metaphor, if you write a religious doctrine up on your word-processor, and it explains the whole universe and everything in it, you could easily assert that the roots of computer technology are intimately tied to the ramifications of your religious doctrine. But to the computer the whole universe of explanation and historical exegesis you have created is just a passing load in RAM, and some space somewhere in the hard disk landscape, nothing more.

But it is a very limited metaphor==the mind being much more creative and unbounded than RAM.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 05:08 PM

"my cookies keep getting erased"

That's 'usually' a matter of settings in your browser. Maybe it is set to delete cookies on exit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Slag
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 04:24 PM

Yes Joe, Yes Amos it IS the COOKIE Monster. I keep dropping my cookies. New machine (3rd one) and its a hummer but I've been having security-ware issues and my cookies keep getting erased. Thanks for not deleting post above. 'Twas Slag's indeed. I find this thread very interesting, honest and revealing.

That said, I just want to point out that there is much history involved in the question at hand and I do appreciate those who have done their homework and are not just shooting from the hip. The development of Christian thought and that of the western mind are forever interlinked and an examination of religious history sheds light on modern history and tomorrow's history. The great heresies and schisms are also reflected in the development of philosophy and scientific thought. Whether it is St. Thomas Aquinas or John Stuart Mills, Socrates or Jesus there is a dynamic that results from the tensions that propel us to take ever sharper focus and refinement in our understanding of all things spiritual, all things material and all things temporal. Good job (most) all, good thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 03:07 PM

From the catechism of the RCC:
The Father and the Son revealed by the Spirit

243 Before his Passover, Jesus announced the sending of "another Paraclete" (Advocate), the Holy Spirit. At work since creation, having previously "spoken through the prophets", the Spirit will now be with and in the disciples, to teach them and guide them "into all the truth".68 The Holy Spirit is thus revealed as another divine person with Jesus and the Father.

244 The eternal origin of the Holy Spirit is revealed in his mission in time. The Spirit is sent to the apostles and to the Church both by the Father in the name of the Son, and by the Son in person, once he had returned to the Father.69 The sending of the person of the Spirit after Jesus' glorification70 reveals in its fullness the mystery of the Holy Trinity.

245 The apostolic faith concerning the Spirit was confessed by the second ecumenical council at Constantinople (381): "We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father."71 By this confession, the Church recognizes the Father as "the source and origin of the whole divinity".72 But the eternal origin of the Spirit is not unconnected with the Son's origin: "The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, is God, one and equal with the Father and the Son, of the same substance and also of the same nature. . . Yet he is not called the Spirit of the Father alone,. . . but the Spirit of both the Father and the Son."73 The Creed of the Church from the Council of Constantinople confesses: "With the Father and the Son, he is worshipped and glorified."74

246 The Latin tradition of the Creed confesses that the Spirit "proceeds from the Father and the Son (filioque)". The Council of Florence in 1438 explains: "The Holy Spirit is eternally from Father and Son; He has his nature and subsistence at once (simul) from the Father and the Son. He proceeds eternally from both as from one principle and through one spiration. . . . And, since the Father has through generation given to the only-begotten Son everything that belongs to the Father, except being Father, the Son has also eternally from the Father, from whom he is eternally born, that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son."75

247 The affirmation of the filioque does not appear in the Creed confessed in 381 at Constantinople. But Pope St. Leo I, following an ancient Latin and Alexandrian tradition, had already confessed it dogmatically in 447,76 even before Rome, in 451 at the Council of Chalcedon, came to recognize and receive the Symbol of 381. The use of this formula in the Creed was gradually admitted into the Latin liturgy (between the eighth and eleventh centuries). The introduction of the filioque into the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed by the Latin liturgy constitutes moreover, even today, a point of disagreement with the Orthodox Churches.


248 At the outset the Eastern tradition expresses the Father's character as first origin of the Spirit. By confessing the Spirit as he "who proceeds from the Father", it affirms that he comes from the Father through the Son.77 The Western tradition expresses first the consubstantial communion between Father and Son, by saying that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son (filioque). It says this, "legitimately and with good reason",78 for the eternal order of the divine persons in their consubstantial communion implies that the Father, as "the principle without principle",79 is the first origin of the Spirit, but also that as Father of the only Son, he is, with the Son, the single principle from which the Holy Spirit proceeds.80 This legitimate complementarity, provided it does not become rigid, does not affect the identity of faith in the reality of the same mystery confessed.


Clear as mud to me.

I was taught that the father begot the son who had always existed and the love between the two shows itself as the holy spirit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 02:34 PM

There sure are a lot of "I believe that"s stuck into this discussion.

Very few have any indication of WHY you "believe". There is an unspoken suggestion in most of those posts that "you should believe the same". Otherwise, why bother explaining it?

I believe that most 'beliefs' of this nature are unfounded and contrived....but hey...as long as it keeps you busy and out of trouble.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: coldjam
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 02:10 PM

Couple of comments I would like to add,

Jesus taught in pictures a lot for a reason, it helps us understand.
The picture of the trinity (a word introduced by Christians and NOT in the scriptures) or the concept of God in three parts as it were, that has helped me to begin to understand, is that of water.

If you take a pool of water, extract some and freeze it, it becomes solid. Take a bit more and heat it and it becomes steam. Now it is still the same quantity of the same stuff only in 3 different forms.

I've also heard it expressed as the parts of an egg.(To the carnal mind of course this is all foolishness, so be prepared for that.)

The "three" (triune) thing is used over and over in creation. As are many patterns of the creator and creation. All to teach us stuff-if we want.

The feminine thing in the Bible is pretty cool too. It was not "left out" of the God equation. No absence of the feminine force (but remember, scripture tells us there is no male and female in the spirit world as we know it.) There is much made in the Word about the Church being the Bride. The body of Christ is the feminine(not Jesus). There is much teaching about the preciousness and value of her. The scripture speaks a lot about this concept. No feminist should miss checking it out.

For my Jewish friend "oncefamous", all I can say is "Oy". If you need mention of the Spirit of God in the Hebrew Scriptures read the accounts of Samuel or Elijah or Elisha. I am half Jewish, and even to me Reform is to Judism what Unity is to Christianity. No disrespect to my Reform or Unity friends, it just is what it is, and ain't what it ain't. Judism is deep, full of meaning (daily and prophetically) and dare I say "ponderous"? To keep the law is a full-time job. Anything less is, well, NOT keeping the law. To disregard it, or change it for convenience is some other made up religion or watered down Judism. Which you have every right to follow if you wish. I am not trying to condemn you, or hurt your feelings-just saying what I observe. If you can shed some light on it, I'd like to see/hear it.

Finally, to Wysiwyg-good explanation!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 10:03 AM

...or the Cookie Monster, for that matter.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 02:52 AM

I take it this is from Slag. Slag (or whoever), if you post without a name, you risk having your message deleted. By rights, I should have deleted this one.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

    Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
    From: GUEST
    Date: 14 Nov 07 - 01:53 AM

    Amos! I have to agree with you! In large part at any rate. The human vocabularies are all metaphorical and are part of the time and three dimensional universe which they aprehend, analyze and negotiate. Indeed the words of Man can only take one so far. They can lead you to the point where faith becomes the expdient. To experience God's Word, THE Word is an ineffable experience. When it came down to it even the Apostle Paul could not frame it in human tongue (II Cor 12:4).

    Nonetheless, I believe that God did inspire the word, His Holy Bible and has maintained its presence in our world to lead men unto Himself. And this is an individual choice I have made. His word says the His sheep her His voice and they follow Him. Those who do not hear His voice have no part in Him. Most of the weight of this thread is about what ideas these various folk bring to the subject and yet the original question arises because of what the Bible teaches about the existence of God and the Holy Ghost, that is, the Spirit. So it is to the Bible I have turned to try to give a definitive answer. If you want to believe something else that is certainly your priviledge, more so, your right but then you are speaking of something different than the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 05:46 PM

I think we would know God better if we were to spend more time finding our inner dimensions, not looking for outer ones; for verily, the Kingdom is within ye.

I also think that the infinite is not going to express itself in a vocabulary predicated on common agreed-upon and mutually held space-time forms. That is, a finite and material universe is highly likely to generate a vocabulary that does not in fact provide access (or even immediate reference) to the unbounded and the non-material.

As a result, I have very little to offer a thread such as this, which I think is a great pity.

:D


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,Slag
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 03:17 AM

What we know of God, the Judeo-Christian God we know from the Bible. The conclusion is that ours is a revealed knowledge, God Himself the reveal-er. Without getting into the separation between the Jews and the Christians and the ancient debate between the Old Testament (The Torah) and the New Testament I'll try and cover some of the basic concepts and when I have a little more time, come back to this topic.

Christians believe that all scripture is given by the inspiration of God, i.e. The Holy Spirit inspired human writers to write what they did. Many of us, for that reason, hold the Bible as our only source of authority. One of the great schisms between Protestants and Roman Catholics is that the Catholics hold that when the Pope speaks ex-cathedra (from the throne) his word has equality or ascendancy over scripture.

Genesis 1 speaks of the Spirit of God brooding over the face of the deep during creation. There are many instances of His Spirit in the OT as well as what are known as epiphanies where God has come to certain persons in bodily form. The story of Abraham on the Plains of Mamry is one of the most notable instances. When Jesus was baptised, John saw the Holy spirit descending as a dove or like a dove. At the same time a voice came from heaven saying "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." This presents a picture of what is termed the "Trinity" though THAT word never appears in scripture. Elsewhere Jesus teaches that God IS a Spirit and that God is Love. He goes on to describe the extent of that Love toward a lost and dying Humanity. When the disciples asked Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus replied "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father. This is the essence of the mystery of the Godhead, the Three in One. All are present in the Son, in the Father and the Holy Spirit. The Bible teaches that God is omnipresence and also that all things consist by Him. He, His Spirit holds the universe together and He is everywhere in the universe but He is NOT the universe: IT is his creation.

Jesus said that all manner of sin and blasphemy against the Father and the Son may be forgiven but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven. This is known as the unpardonable sin. When Peter made his great confession of faith and declared that Jesus was the Son of the Living God, Jesus said "Blessed are you Simon, son of Jonah (Peter was his nickname and actually translates "Rocky") for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you (that is the physical man, Jesus) but my Father which is in heaven." The reason that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unpardonable is that once Christ (which means "The Anointed One" i.e. anointed by the Holy Spirit) is revealed for who he really is to your soul, God has done all He will ever do to offer you salvation. If you reject Him after such a revelation there is nothing more He can do or perhaps that He will do. This doesn't mean that you can't opt later but your soul is at great risk at that point. Compare this thought with John chapter 9 and especially verse 37 to the end.

There are some very interesting etiologies of the word "spirit" (Greek "pneuma" and Hebrew "nephesh") and the development of the Occidental mind but those are really just asides. I hope I have shed a little light on the fundamental Christian perspective on the question.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,Bill in Oregon
Date: 13 Nov 07 - 02:42 AM

The Holy Spirit I believe is a group of three souls that watch over us on an individual basis of each one of us. I think we with them make up a group of four to a team of sorts. We are the fourth member of the team. This is why you may see a four grouping is used in many anceint symbols such as the Egieptian cross The regualar cross itself is a symbol with three points in the air, represents our Holy Spirits in heaven watching us and the fourth one in the ground represents us as the fourth member in the ground of Earth.

Bill in Oregon


very negative inspiration. AN OPEN LETTER TO HATE GROUPS
From Bill and his Holy Spirit Racing Team

This is a letter to help you realize why you think you need to hate others for a specific reasons that you think makes perfectly good sense. If you are very comfortable with doing this hate to others because you are presented this information in the form of inspirations from your Holy Spirits in Heaven.
I believe a force of three beings with souls that one could be a twin of our own and the other two a twin soul unto themselves that all watch over us on a individual basis and also give us many test of sorts to go through. This is probably one of your major test for this life. I believe their inspirations are both bad and good. Some of these inspirations we are meant to take on because these test have to be taken to bring about a change from within our own soul so that it may develop into a loving nature that helps others at our will. I believe we are meant to have many trials in our lives from our personal team of Holy Spirits and are probably are best friends of all time. They this same three have probably been with us from the beginning of all known time. Yours trails this life may be to hate others for one reason or another. If you concentrate and say I will not hate anyone no matter what your inspirational force will do or no matter how the offending person may try to bother you. You should not judge that offending person because he or she may also being pulled emotionally by their Holy Spirits to new hatred levels and so it really is not the person you see but their Holy Spirit force moving them in wild directions within them so try not to judge them and forgive them and try to settle them down in a calm cool voice!!! not be able to change your point of view ,but if you let them make you think it is all right in your mind then they can take you to new levels of hate at a increasing rate. I hope you consider this good information because your inspirational force may be blocking your thoughts of reason as you read this. So please consider keeping a copy of this and read it once in awhile and see if it might help you think of changing from a hater to a people lover. Try to remember that you do not to be a hater to win and that might help you


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:26 AM

I think I get it!

Father = God

Son = Jesus

Holy Ghost = The Resurrection (the Spirit of Christ)

Naw...Thats too complicated and it leaves Mary out of the picture.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 06:06 PM

you have to have a shamrock and then you look at the three leaves. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:35 PM

durn...here he says, "I AM BUT ONE"
It's so hard to keep track.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,mack
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:10 PM

how does the holy spirt work as father son and holy spirt.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 07:34 PM

Beautiful, freda, thanks for posting it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 05:45 AM

:-) !!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Alec
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 05:37 AM

Sounds like Blair's integrity.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 05:29 AM

Looked at but cannot be seen - it is beneath form;
Listened to but cannot be heard - it is beneath sound;
Held but cannot be touched - it is beneath feeling;
These depthless things evade definition,
And blend into a single mystery.

In its rising there is no light,
In its falling there is no darkness,
A continuous thread beyond description,
Lining what can not occur;
Its form formless,
Its image nothing,
Its name silence;
Follow it, it has no back,
Meet it, it has no face.

(Lao Tzu)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 04:40 AM

C, F, and G7

I was confirmed whilst I was still A minor.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: John O'L
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 04:05 AM

How pure and still the Tao is, as if it would ever so continue!
I do not know whose son it is. It might appear to have been before God.

- J. Legge's translation of the Tao Te Ching by Lao-tzu




I guess that clears things up then, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: GUEST,GS
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 03:47 AM

Yes I guess we all have the means to put things wrongly and be misleading....every one of us eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 02:56 AM

An understandable assumption. Wrapping the misleading inside the incomprehensible is a good way to perpetuate a boondoggle. Makes it hard to see through.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Alec
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 02:49 AM

Confusion caused by the concept of the holy ghost taking the form of a dove descending led the Carib Indians to conclude,when first encountering Christian missionaries,that Christians worshipped Pigeons.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Jim Lad
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 02:33 AM

By now you will have read many descriptions of what the Blessed Trinity is to each of us. To know what it is and to explain it to someone else, requires a little thought but it can be done. To truly understand it however, requires a leap of faith. A huge leap when you consider that someone, not unlike ourselves, had to claim authorship on the whole idea, long, long ago.
So now, what is is?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 01:57 AM

Among Catholic priests, it's generally agreed that the two toughest days of the year for preparing a sermon are the Feast of the Holy Trinity and the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Mary being born sinless - has nothing to do with virginity).

Most Christians accept the doctrine of the Trinity because it's in the New Testament, most specifically at the end of the Gospel of Matthew - but what can you say about God being Trinity that piques anybody's interest? Same with Mary's sinlessness.

Karen Armstrong says it's an Eastern Christian tradition to define God only in paradoxes - and thus to demonstrate the inherent undefinability of God. The Trinity certainly defies definition, though many have tried.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 12:17 AM

...they left out the Mother/Goddess! Without the Mother all is out of balance.

Oh, my sheroes have always been...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: 282RA
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 12:01 AM

Maybe this Holy Trinity describes the original act of creation. Father, son, holy spirit. When a neutron decays it becomes a proton, an electron and a neutrino. The proton is the father, the electron is the son, and the neutrino is a ghostly particle with no rest mass and is the Holy Spirit that binds father and son into an ineffable whole. When the neutron decayed, it formed the simplest hydrogen atom--an electron and proton. The earliest form of matter as we know it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 11:33 PM

Heros to the left of me,
Gyros to the right of me,
Volleyed and Thundered....


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 10:47 PM

I prefer my lamb BBQ'd and served with feta and fresh tomatos.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:43 PM

Although I am not a theologian, I would venture to say that the lamb is Mary's spirit and appears to her as a ghost.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Amos
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 09:30 PM

Mary had a little Lamb
Whose fleece was white as snow
And every where that Mary went
The lamb was sure to go.

Discuss: In what dimensional planes and in what form did the lamb do this?

A


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Subject: The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost/Spirit
From: GUEST,Who I AM
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 08:42 PM

.    For all who shall read this posting, you will be few if any, deserve, but perhaps may not be prepared to know this. The trinity is not important. Only I AM's name has power, and only when spoken. Truly, the human mind has neither the capacity nor the potential to understand I AM when leaning unto its own understanding, which its own understanding is perhaps the greatest illusion of all, the Adversary. For if humanity had the ability, would not an ultimate answer be created by humans that satisfies all who inquire? Our ways are not I AM's ways, and I AM's ways are not ours. Many have tried to explain I AM, but no one has succeeded in providing any one single explanation that will satisfy all who inquire.

    For your efforts, I offer my feeble attempt:

    I am a father, I am a son, and I am a husband. However, I am one man. I hold many titles, but those aforementioned are the ones I hold truest. Acting the part of each title, I perform different tasks, but I am the same person. None of those titles would get my individual attention, if someone were to call to me in a crowd of other men using only those titles. Try using my name. To me it is the most powerful word in the world. Call me by my name, and I will answer you.

    In the same way I AM is The Father, is The Son, and is The Holy Ghost/Spirit, titles to which when acting I AM performs individual tasks. However, I AM is one entity, and I AM has a name, and those who call it in faith, which is to believe certainly and absolutely in something that you have no proof, other than "The Word" that it exists, shall behold the power. Many cannot wield it, and perhaps that is why it is so illusive, and justly so.

    Consider yourself blessed if you read this and understand. Anyone, as proof from the many who posted to this thread, who ask humanity for answers can ultimately only get more confusion. The Word says earnestly seek wisdom, and you will find it. Wisdom is freely given by I AM, only ask for wisdom with a pure heart. Be warned, to increase knowledge is to increase sorrow. "Ignorance is bliss" and laughter is a fool's wage. Wisdom, in the form of knowledge of the gates location, combined with possession of the key, and the willingness to take and successfully make the journey to the gate are required before one can enter into the kingdom, and truly know who I AM.

    Those who read let them understand, and give to others as freely as it was given. Those who willfully do evil, confound, and do not let them give to others who willfully do evil.

In my house, peace shall reign.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:30 PM

Thanks for starting up a great thread, dianavan.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:27 PM

dianavan...You say His Spirit remained...but please read John chapter 15 verse 26 and you will see that the Holy Spirit...the Spirit of Truth which is here with us now..was sent later. Best wishes.
Be Blessed


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Subject: RE: BS: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:11 AM

Old translation, dianavan, that's all. King James reads pretty but is not as accurate as its later relatives which, as I understand it, were re-researched back to the original languages. Oversimplified explanation but that's the general idee. I'm just puttin' the household Bible scholar to bed now, so that's the best I can do for now.

~Susan


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