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Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret

Little Hawk 05 Jul 05 - 10:48 AM
GUEST,desolation row 14 May 04 - 05:54 AM
GUEST,love sick 06 May 04 - 05:09 AM
GUEST,The Wicked Messenger 05 May 04 - 07:02 PM
GUEST,Pedro 05 May 04 - 05:40 PM
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Little Hawk 05 May 04 - 02:09 PM
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GUEST 05 May 04 - 01:30 PM
Little Hawk 05 May 04 - 01:09 PM
GUEST,love sick 05 May 04 - 06:11 AM
Little Hawk 03 May 04 - 05:21 PM
GUEST,Pedro 03 May 04 - 04:56 PM
GUEST,love sick 03 May 04 - 03:17 PM
GUEST,Pedro 30 Apr 04 - 01:42 PM
Strick 29 Apr 04 - 09:35 AM
GUEST,Pedro 29 Apr 04 - 09:28 AM
Little Hawk 27 Apr 04 - 12:05 AM
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GUEST,Excuse my poor english (im an european fan) 26 Apr 04 - 08:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 10:48 AM

Forget about that link. It's useless. Instead, invest in penguins. Do it now! Penguins can only go up. Trust me on this.

"Oooo, Baby! Oooo-eeee! It's that Million Dollar Bash!"


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,desolation row
Date: 14 May 04 - 05:54 AM

Now you would not think to look at him
But he was famous long ago
For playing the electric violin
On Desolation Row


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,love sick
Date: 06 May 04 - 05:09 AM

Some things are too terrible to be true
I won't come here no more if it bothers you
The Southern Pacific leaving at nine forty-five
I'm having a hard time believin some people were ever alive


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,The Wicked Messenger
Date: 05 May 04 - 07:02 PM

"she said, your debutante just knows what you need, but I know what you want..."


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Pedro
Date: 05 May 04 - 05:40 PM

-continued
be Dylan.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Pedro
Date: 05 May 04 - 05:36 PM

OK, I can't resist. It's a Dylan quote fest!!!

He's "filled you with self-confidence, after poisoning you with words"

Ain't this nice (nice and stupid)?????

*But I like you and I have a lot of respect for you too (my own line) - I know its not as good as Dylan could say it. But we can't All

P


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 May 04 - 02:09 PM

"Ah, well...some babies never learn."


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 May 04 - 02:04 PM

"If anyone out there has an original thought I could use it right now"


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:30 PM

I didn't say I was looking for something inspiring Little Hawk. I was acknowledging the line and then talking about something that happened when the album was released years ago... although, now I wish I hadn't. And any idiot that listens understands what the song's about. He's not feeling good at the time - it's not something different everytime either. That's for HWY61 period stuff. Maybe you should read the artical a little closer. This is no snap-shot (unless you always think in terms of eons). These are period songs. They brew for a long time. He hasn't wipping out songs left and right then as now. Look at the duration between releases.

The reason I asked you if you wanted the honors, that was a joke - because of your last submitters thread. I was kidding.

The article is interesting but I can't see how you'd find it inspiring. It is straight forward - Dylan's world according to Dylan. He's a bit callous in one place, pompous in another, but overall it shows the man has a lot of modesty too. The meditation bit I found almost hilarious he's still a good jester - I think he put one over the interviewer. It is a good piece. That's all...

P

Love Sick everyone has something to prove it is a competitive existence. We can't help it. It's in our genes. We are all fools in that respect.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 May 04 - 01:09 PM

"even the butler, he's got something to pro-ove,
and you ask why I don't live here?
Honey, how come you don't move?"


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,love sick
Date: 05 May 04 - 06:11 AM

only a fool in here would think he's got anything to prove


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 May 04 - 05:21 PM

Yeah, I'm here. I'm always one or two steps to the left when Bob is around...

He has said himself that he never listens to his recordings, and that they are just like a snapshot. They're a collection of musical moments that happened on one day or one several days. Every time you play the song it's different.

"Time Out of Mind" was a pretty heavy album, but it was just a momentary snapshot, not an all-time admission of despair.

You want some inspiration, read the amazing interview with Bob in the L.A. Times recently, on this thread...

Dylan in the LA Times


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Pedro
Date: 03 May 04 - 04:56 PM

Love sick.... Unfortunately, I think it is so. God how that line blew me away. I'd gone out and bought the album(CD)in a depressed haze - desperately hoping for some kind of inspiration - but when I heard that, well he just summed-up, in one fowl swoop, how I'd been feeling for a good while but couldn't come close to verbalizing. Before hearing it I'd thought it was just me...unspeakable and uncommunicatable. It takes a fearless person to lay it all out like he does. After listening to the album though, I felt even worse and thereafter I'd only play it when I was dead drunk and therefore brave enough. Now I don't drink and I don't listen to it. It's too negative. But what a line.

Pedro.

I hope someone else posts - I'm not trying to be the last. I don't want to be - Little Hawk. Are you there. Want the honors?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,love sick
Date: 03 May 04 - 03:17 PM

i'll close my eye's and i wonder
if everything is as hollow as it seems


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Pedro
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 01:42 PM

Good idea Strick - Hey, the possibilities now seem endless. Though I think KNOCKIN' may do better for Century21 (but with the disclaimer "don't go mistaking paradise for that home across the road")...

Here's mine; for a Vegas Vacation ad...with a twist (pun intended).

WITH YOUR hotel SHEETS LIKE METAL,
AND YOUR BELTs (free drinks & much, much more!!!) LIKE LACE...
AND YOUR DECK OF CARDS,
MISSING THE JACK AND THE ACE...

*Vegas spokesperson cuts in "just kidding, just kidding!!!"

AND YOUR bargain BASEMENT CLOTHES,
AND YOUR HOLLOW FACE...

*pan to Dylan's sly smile - a 'you really are going to lose ya know' creepy leer...

WHO AMONG THEM, COULD THINK..........

*finally, pan to a group of friendly pit bosses and blackjack dealers smiling and waving to everyone.

THEY COULD OUTGUESS YOU???...

I believe Dylan could have a big future ahead of him. He could rise to the realm of the Rat Pack... But I hope not.


P


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Strick
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 09:35 AM

What's next then, Viagra ads to "I will be released"? "Knocking on Heaven's Door"?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Pedro
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 09:28 AM

As does Dylan.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 12:05 AM

This thread has amazing endurance.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Strick
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 11:13 PM

Only 2500 more posts or so to go to equal that "Mother" thread.

Sorry, euro fan Guest, republican guy from Texas thought the commercial was no big deal, too.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Excuse my poor english (im an european fan)
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 08:44 PM

Ive seen it (the commercial) from the Pyrenees, (Basque Country, Europe).. and must say that theres nothing about "pedophile pervs"... that sounds absolutely priest-wannabe.
When I was 19 i was.... normal. Didnt live in Winnie The Pooh's world.
Well, maybe its because im not a republican guy from Texas, or maybe its because i do prefer good real music on tv commercials (with good sense of humour) than watching telepreachers :-D

Well Done, Bob! its much more insane to sell guns! pants and thongs must be pretty things for God, Allah, Budda and Elvis!!


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 10:12 PM

*ALL* kinds of wrong.

That is all.

D.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 10:11 PM


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Clay
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 02:09 AM

Next thing you know, they'll bring back legit cigarette commercials.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 03:01 PM

I think it's a proud testament to Bob's staying power that this thread has reached 300 posts... :-)


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Strick
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 02:38 PM

Who'd have thought this would live to 300?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Strick
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 02:37 PM

On the contrary, "no big deal" is full of critical thinking. Just a response to more rational priorities.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 08:28 AM

"What is it in this world that makes women want to attract and then get upset when they attract indiscriminately?"

What is it that makes some men and women think that Victoria's Secrets products are something most women want? It isn't.

What is it that makes some men and women think that most women, whatever their age, want sexual attention beyond the mating years of high school and the early 20s?

What is it that makes some men and women think that most women don't feel demeaned by this sort of attention, in spite of the pornographic fashion industry and the male pop stars that promote themselves through it?

"It's Victoria's Secrets that is perpetuating the crime."

And in this case, Bob Dylan is their accomplice. If it were Ben Affleck instead, it would be Ben Affleck who would be the accomplice.

Not all of us come from "it's just a commercial, no big deal" school of non-critical thought.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,gobi
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 06:56 AM

well, well. I haven't seen the ad but I believe Bob was leering at the young lady in lingerie and spikes, flashing through Venice, as he sang "I'm sick of love" because, yes, a girl in lingerie is attractive, no matter what age you are. Most of us older guys don't leer, but we appreciate in silence. Bob might be recognizing this and gives the sneer while singing the song, to undermine the whole Victoria's Secret thing..dressing young, middle and older aged women in underwear designed to attract and to inspire lustful response. I suppose that's ok, if the response is between lover and loved, but when you watch the ads for Victoria's on tv and you're an older guy, and you know that the times have changed and you're never going to be with a woman that beautiful ever again, then you get sick of love, sick of the way it is presented, sick of the way our culture accents the female form to sell products. I'm sick of that kind of love, too. What is it in this world that makes women want to attract and then get upset when they attract indiscriminately? I mean, would everyone be ok with the ad if it were the model and Ben Affleck? Old men aren't dead but they do know how to behave and they do get sick of having near naked women thrust before them when they are reclining in a rocker for another quiet night at home. It's Victoria's Secrets that is perpetuating the crime.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,brit
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 02:38 PM

i was shocked at first to see dylan in victoria's secret ad.. but he's 62 now.. hes got money, and hes had a huge career. The guy's a legend. one ad.. who gives a shit. Though, yes, i think his staring is a bit creepy..


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: JenEllen
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 10:20 PM

Yeah, when it comes down to it, we're all a little 'angelic'...Me, I'm always up in the air and harping about something....


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 09:41 PM

That's cool with me, Strick. Sounds like we're walking down the same path, you and me...even if we are sometimes on opposite sides of the pavement.

I tend to diverge into pomposity and contempt on occasion too... :-)

- LH


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 09:18 PM

I think I've got it! One of two things: either Bob is working on a revision of one of his old songs, or Victoria's Secret is coming out with a new line of bras. Maybe both!

Boobs of Spanish Leather!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Strick
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 05:37 PM

"Whether it's useless or not is paradoxical too, Strick. It gave you a useful opportunity to demonstrate your innate superiority to people who engage in this sort of discussion."

I'm often pompus, even contemptuous, but I've never considered myself superior.

I did have a horse in this race anyway. It was only an ad on TV no matter who was in it.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 04:43 PM

No question about that.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 04:31 PM

LH - I am impressed by your stalwort defence of Dylan, as he came under the ill-informed attacks of nameless Guests.

Frankly, Dylan can do anything he wants, without affecting his popularity (and probably raising VS's), because he is himself. And his popularity is from people of all ages.

And the songs he wrote in the 60s, 70s and 80s remain just as meaningful today.

I haven't seen the advert yet, but I figure my time'll be better spent if I go listen to "Blood on the Tracks"...


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 12:52 PM

Whether it's useless or not is paradoxical too, Strick. It gave you a useful opportunity to demonstrate your innate superiority to people who engage in this sort of discussion. :-)


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 12:46 PM

But, that does not matter. HA!


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Strick
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 12:43 PM

But it can become energy. In this case useless energy, but energy none the less.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 12:11 PM

Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. HA!


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 10:12 AM

No, Guest, he was alluding to it. If he was eluding it he would have avoided the subject entirely. :-)

The thing is, life is full of paradox. You can say "nothing matters", and from a certain perspective that's true. Or...you can say "everything matters", and that is just as true from another perspective. Either way works just fine. That's why we are free beings in a free universe. You've got free will...if you're willing to use it.

Know'm'sayin'?

- LH


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 01:20 AM

Art - the next time you stub your toe or poke yourself in the eye, which I'm sure you do on a regular basis, tell yourself "it just doesn't matter". And if you find it matters, then this matters too. If NOTHING matters, then contrary to your last line, everything is (equally) of ZERO importance, so this thread can be of no less consequence than any other. I do believe Somerset was eluding to something that is well beyond your intellect. Keep trying though, it NEVER hurts to try.

Does your mommy know you're staying up this late?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 10:17 PM

...and after all is said and done, as Somerset Maugham intimated in his fine book "The Razor's Edge", it just doesn't matter--. That's especially true of this thread.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 11:19 AM

DV:

Guess you've come through a number of strange things yourself, and survived.

Also a good thing! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 01:44 AM

Hey, Pedro - Glad you came through it as well as you have. I know about the radio men in Vietnam - first target, right? I'm also aware of what you guys had to face when you came home. My brother, a boyfriend and my ex-husband had to deal with it. I went through it with them. It was a lonely road to walk. Glad Dylan was there for you.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Amos
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 12:57 AM

Hey Pedro --

That was one beautiful letter,, Pedro. Thanks for writing it.

A


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 12:17 AM

Whew! Well, that certainly says it all for me...

I'm glad you made it back, Pedro. Vaya con Dios.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Pedro
Date: 09 Apr 04 - 12:08 AM

Ok Dianavan I'll answer that question because it's addressed to me (but than I really do have to go - I have a long trip starting next a.m.)

No, I do not like it when stupid pricks - men or women leer at me. I walked point in Vietnam in 1969-1970 and I've been leered at by guys with AK-47's, RPG's, you name it. The average life expectancy of a pointman was approximately 3 weeks and I did for 7 months, then I 'retired' to carrying a radio for the rest of my tour. When I got back I remember a blonde airline attendant at SFO leering at me with a kind of hate that was breath taking to behold. Then in the insuring years, I kind of dropped out of society and I experienced every kind of hateful dumb fucker look you can imagine...

I got to the point of near suicide and the only thing that made any sense to me was Dylan's Idiot Wind. He saved my life with that one piece.

And that's why I don't like it when people see this as some kind of glorious opportunity to judge Dylan... and thereby bolster their own pulverized egos...

P


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 11:35 PM

I honestly think it's a joke of some kind, Dianavan. He has a perverse sense of humour. Either that, or he just did it on a whim...and that could be again because of his perverse sense of humour.

He does really odd things from time to time. When he showed up in England in '65 to meet the press he was carrying an enormous lightbulb and wearing a top hat. The light bulb was as big as a pumpkin. God knows where he got it. They asked him if he had a particular message for people, and he said, "Always keep a good head and carry a lightbulb."

Why did he do it? Probably because he was just sick and tired of being asked to define the meaning of other people's lives for them... :-)

His interviews with the press were bizarre in '65 and '66. If he was in a good mood, they were hysterically funny. If he wasn't, they were sarcastic and very brief. He was completely disillusioned with the press, with the same questions he'd already heard 1,000 times before, and the whole thing, and he put them on ruthlessly. Sometimes they just wrote it all down faithfully, and duly reported it. He must've wondered just how far he could go before they would snap out of their professional daze and do something DIFFERENT


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: dianavan
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 11:23 PM

Pedro - I don't care if a man is young or old, when he leers he is creepy. Would you like it if a man leered at you?

To the rest of you - I like Dylan's music too. Its part of my life and will always be part of my collection. I've never idolized the guy but thought he would have better things to do than appear in a t.v. ad. Makes me wonder why he thinks, after all these years, he has to advertise at all. He has a pretty loyal following and you'd think that he, of all people, would want his music to stand on his own. Why the cheap tricks?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 08 Apr 04 - 10:45 PM

Very well put Guest!


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