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Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 31 Mar 04 - 12:39 PM
Crane Driver 31 Mar 04 - 01:57 PM
McGrath of Harlow 31 Mar 04 - 02:38 PM
Leadfingers 31 Mar 04 - 02:45 PM
GUEST,Tunesmith 31 Mar 04 - 02:46 PM
GUEST,Bob P 31 Mar 04 - 02:53 PM
GUEST,Peter from Essex 31 Mar 04 - 03:35 PM
GUEST,Tunesmith 31 Mar 04 - 03:50 PM
GUEST,Peter from Essex 31 Mar 04 - 07:11 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 31 Mar 04 - 10:13 PM
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Richard Bridge 01 Apr 04 - 03:15 AM
VIN 01 Apr 04 - 03:46 AM
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VIN 01 Apr 04 - 07:56 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 01 Apr 04 - 08:06 AM
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George Papavgeris 01 Apr 04 - 08:22 AM
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VIN 01 Apr 04 - 09:10 AM
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VIN 01 Apr 04 - 10:05 AM
Strollin' Johnny 01 Apr 04 - 10:14 AM
VIN 01 Apr 04 - 10:40 AM
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Subject: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 12:39 PM

I've just been loking at tonights tv schedule, later on ITv, there is "ITV at the festivals", they show music from various rock festivals, like glastonbury etc, why don't they ever show any folk festivals, there is loads of them, the BBC show 1 programme about Cambridge folk festival on their digital channel, and thats it.

And radio, =there is 2 National Classical Music Stations in the UK, [BBC Radio 3 and Classical FM], a jazz channel [Jazz FM], dozens of pop and rock stations, but folk gets 1 hour a week!

on the digital output of BBC there is 5 Live Extra, that hardly ever broadcasts, they could use its frequency for a folk station, when its not broadcasting anything else, or alternativley, why don't they use on of the existing stations, They must have hundreds of hours of archive stuff they could use for a folk channel.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Crane Driver
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 01:57 PM

Television is part of the "Entertainment Industry", j0H9. Rule 1: "ordinary" people can't make music, they have to pay to listen to professionals. Folk music refuses to accept this, so the "Industry" tries to pretend we're not here. If people believed they could enjoy themselves making their own music together with their friends, how would the "Industry" hangers-on make their millions? Even the 1 hour a week we get on British radio for folk music concentrates on the top professional performers. All in all, we're better off without - switch off the damn telly, meet some mates and play music together. Music is NOT an industry!

Andrew


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 02:38 PM

More attention would probably have more bad effects than good. A few months of folk music being this month's flavour could probably do enormous harm to the music, and to a lot of people. It's bound to happen some time, but I wouldn't look forward to it.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Leadfingers
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 02:45 PM

There ARE those who say that the 'popularity' of Folk in the sixties spawned that Awful Abberration Folk Rock ! Now do we really want folk to become 'popular' again ? Just think what might hatch out the next time !!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 02:46 PM

BBC Radio broadcasts over 120 hours of classical music a week, and one hour of folk music - which can embrace blues, cajun etc . This means that the BBC probably only allocates 30 mins to British/Celtic folk music. BBC has always been elitist. 30 years ago folk music was definately more popular than classical - Christy Moore ( in "One Voice" ) talks about there being over 100 folk clubs in the Manchester area alone - but that was not reflected by air-time. ALSO, following the massive impact of "Riverdance" , how did the BBC respond to the obvious demand for such music -well... they didn't. AND, before somebody mentions regional BBC programmes, what they play on national radio is their statement as to what they think is important. It's a disgrace.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Bob P
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 02:53 PM

Folk has one enormous handicap getting mainstream media exposure.

Folk is non-disposable.

The danger of another scare like 40 years ago wherein folks would adopt anthems and keep them forever cannot be allowed to share space with stuff that must recycle every 8 weeks.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Peter from Essex
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 03:35 PM

BBC does broadcast more than one hour per week. Radio 3 late evening broadcasting is a mixture which always seems to include some traditional material. Also some "Celtic" material gets mixed in with late afternoon broadcasts and the occasional bit of folk slips into the regular Early Music slot.

Personally I would rather folk music be regarded as "normal" and mixed in with general broadcasting in this way than have our own "ghetto" to encourage the rest of the world to switch off.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 03:50 PM

"Gets mixed in". Give over! So I should be prepared to sit through a pile of stuff I don't wish to hear just to catch the odd piece of folk music - try selling that concept to the classical music fans and see how far you get!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Peter from Essex
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 07:11 PM

I should be prepared to sit through a pile of stuff I don't wish to hear just to catch the odd piece of folk music

I thought that was the majority view of Harding's show.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 10:13 PM

Heloo, = I rarely start serious threads here, reason is, i know very littele about folk music, but= this id a serious thread, and 1 thing thast pisses me off [i'm serious now, =no joking], folk music gets almost no airplay at all, ok= 1 hour on bbc 4 [waht most people cant get anyway] about galstonburry, yeah, rihght, greaght, waht a big commitment to folk music then!

and anyway=i dont meean to argue with mgrath of harlow, as i talkked to him threw pm, and i reckon he,s ok.
and i been in the army, and so did bIlly Bragg.

but i dont know waht he means by saying " too mutch publicity is no good for fplk eyc, etc, [or wahgtever he sayid]"

anyway= in my opimion, more folk on telly and radio, = more people getb imntrested in irt.john

ps=radio etc is shit, anbd they just play stuiff wahtg is in the charts, and wehn did you ever heare kate rusby on radio 1?

that proves it, radio 1 is suppoosed to be for young people, but thryu play rhe same shit, day in , day out, .john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 10:22 PM

anyway=if i had the money, and i knew how to do it, i would start my own folk station.

i emaled mike harding, and suggested he play some new folky stuff, and new people stuff.
[he dident even anser me!

dear mike harding= if you reading this, [i know you read mudcat, and this is media thead eetc]

play some different stuff, ie not elixa carthy, kate rusby, and cara dillon every week]

ps-i'm sick of heatring you waffle on about cara dillon every week, do you fancy her or sometjhing?]

no disrespect mate, but your show is getting s bit boring,=
and next time, have the bloody decency to reply to my email.

all the best.john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Naemanson
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 10:47 PM

My goodness! When I saw the thread title I thought it was a USA sponsored thread. I didn't realize the UK has the same problem. However, I see we have the advantage with our National Public Radio system. They at least have several folk shows available in various states. Even here in Guam I can listen to Thistle & Shamrock, Prairie Home Companion, E-Town, and a locally produced folk show.

I would think that the country that fathered Bob Copper and his family, Martin Carthy and his family, and the many others I wish I could name would be able to broadcast that music to the people.

One interesting point. I enjoy shops that sell used CDs. I have noticed that rock & roll and country western music dominates the used CD bins. It is rare if ever you find a folk CD in there and that is coming from a state (Maine) where folk music is strong.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:09 PM

anyway= i said this before ["mike harding show is crap, and i told him"]

but least i speeak my mindnd, and tell people waht i think of them, [not like others= " heloo your great, blar, blar, blasr etc".

if i say something, then i say it, asnd i dont post as guset, [this= becuse i like to say waht i say etc"
[anfd gueset is too scared to say in his own name, but i'm not=
guest is a big puff.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:16 PM

Have you had a nice evening, j=hn?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:29 PM

piss off guest.john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:34 PM

anyway= guest- you piss me off, i explain why, - you think youre bloody great, and you don't put your name, [if you goy something to say, then say it, [in your name, or shut up], evertyting i said here, is in my name, [ i neber post as hgguest], my name is John Evans
35 Chantelands Ave,
Hull
tel 01482 348 458
, so, you got something to say, = say it then, .john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:36 PM

ps= and i bet you dont know nothing about flok nusic, so just get lost.john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:42 PM

Splendid!

You'll be saying 'Goodnight", then....


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:48 PM

just watch it gueset.joghn


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:49 PM

What time is it on at?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:51 PM

guest- if you are mike harding, then reply, if you are not him, then just get lost.jiohn


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:53 PM

No!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:57 PM

just get lost gusest, i told you alresady, you dont make any good input to this thread, and you are noot mike harding, and you dont run a folk radio or tv show, and you dont know nothinh about folk music , so just get lost, and dont werite to my thread no more.john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 12:03 AM

I just asked you if you had had a nice evening....
... and I have had my reply.

Thank you!

PS. What is the definition of Folk Music, by the way?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 12:06 AM

guest=i am not talikeing to you anymore.john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 12:08 AM

GUEST-Your mother sells whelks in Hull.

john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 12:17 AM

You are confusing her with someone elses' mum, I think.
I doubt you have ever heard of mine


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 12:20 AM

blar, b;ar, n;ar, =just get ost.koghn


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 12:25 AM

No!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 12:27 AM

guest- you look like a turnip.john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: pavane
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 01:46 AM

John, why do you fall for flamers, trolls etc and reply, instead of just ignoring the self-proclaimed idiots?

But I agree with your plea for more (and better) folk music.

Neither Eliza Carthy nor Bill/Belinda Jones can sing well, there are many better and less well known performers.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 03:15 AM

Oh I think that's a bit hard on EC and BJ. OK, they are not Jean Redpath, June Tabor, Maddy Prior, or Norma Waterson, (or even Marion Button) but they are pretty damn good, and if you compare their vocal abilities with most of the processed pap that seems to have replaced the once fiery rock music, they are streets ahead. Indeed (unsurprisingly) at times EC does sound a bit like NW, and that is no mean compliment.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: VIN
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 03:46 AM

Where i live near Rochdale/Manchester, there's a couple of local radio folk programmes that i listen to that are excellent - Lancashire drift(radio lancashire - thursdays at 8pm) which has been going for yonks and is brill. There's also Ali O'Brian's Sounds of Folk (Mondays on GMR at 8pm) still in its early days but is well worth a listen. So perhaps local radio is the answer to the British 'folk' media drought. I decided a long time ago, trying to get the national radio/tv to give our traditional music and performers sufficient airtime and recognition is like p'ing against the proverbial wind!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 03:59 AM

jOhn, you should know that you will never get a reply from Mike Harding if you criticise him or his show, he only replies to compliments.
I have been carrying on a campaign to get less country and western, rock, pop, blues etc and more good folk music on Mike's show for a few years, Mike has NEVER replied to any of my emails, he did however write a letter to that great magazine ' The Living Tradition ' and slag me off in public,[ issue 40 September 2000 ]
And he finally admitted that all that mattered was that he had increased the audience figures, not the music.
eric


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Crystal
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 05:42 AM

What we need are boy/girl bands all playing folk/celtic music. We could try to get the BBC or ITV to sponser Folk idol!
It might work you know.
I've been thinking of taking a stand and auditioning for the next Pop idol, singing traditional stuff natch, If enough media attention could be brought to bear then someone would have to do somthing.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Brindle
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 06:52 AM

The media is pushing commercial music, it wants to make a profit off of that that high-turnaround masss-appeal product - why expect it to cater to our tastes?
Seems to me that if we are looking for folk music then the best place to look is in the folk clubs, pub sessions, leisure centre concerts etc.
Folk music lends itself to the live environment far more than to the recorded or broadcast - and perhaps thats why its not more on TV or radio.
Instead of trying to get our beloved living passionate music into a deadening muffling electronic medium, why not put the effort into trying to spread the word and get more audience out to the live events?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: VIN
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 06:57 AM

Nicely put Brindle. There's nowt better than attending a live event, (assuming your able). Goin to any festivals this year?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Brindle
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:30 AM

Plenty festivals I hope! Its coming round to that time of year again...
Yourself?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: VIN
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:35 AM

Definately Saddleworth again so far. Maybe visit Poyton and go up to Whitby for the first time. Thinkin of Cropredy, shall have to suss out whats on and where


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:50 AM

Vin and Brindle - come to the Gainsborough Folk Festival in October. We need people. We need you. Bring your mates as well. We've got Jez Lowe & The Bad Pennies, John Connolly and Bill Meek (and hopefully Brian Dawson), Cockersdale, Julie Ellison, and others who I can't remember because of my aging grey-matter. It's held initially in a beautiful 15th-Century Moot Hall (The Old Hall) and later in a superb 200-seat theatre (Trinity Arts Centre). A small festival but very friendly. Hope you come.
Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: VIN
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:56 AM

Sounds nice Johnny, shall gi it serious consideration


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 08:06 AM

This idea that increasing an audience equals success doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Of course, if Mike Harding plays more mainstream " middle of the road" material he will increase his audience , but that shouldn't be the point. If, for example, he had a "Kylie Special", he'd have his biggest audience figures ever - but what would that prove! If the BBC are serious about British/Celtic folk music they should 1. Get rid of Harding because .. a. he plays too wide a range of music - leave blues to Paul Jones, Mike ( i.e. I love the blues, btw) b. he keeps repeating the same tracks ( Paul Jones virtually never plays the same track twice) 2. Have a programme that is devoted to British/Celtic music - and state that aim up front! 3. the BBC should have a separate programme devoted to American (USA ) folk music - including tradional and contemporary artists. 4, 5, 6 .... I'll let somebody else fill in those points!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 08:15 AM

Ah!! we wish.
eric


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 08:22 AM

The trouble is - it's hard to fit all those programmes in one hour. More airtime, is what's needed. Nothing to do with Mike, or Smooth Operations.

Give me 6 hours air time per week, and I can do wonders. One hour each to traditional English, Welsh, Scottish, Celtic (of whatever provenance). Why, I'd even give one hour to World Music. And one hour for singer/songwriters.

But that just reflects my taste.

Now - how to get the airtime...any ideas?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 08:34 AM

To repeat myself, if the BBC can devote 120 hours per week to classical music, surely they - as El Greko says - could set aside "only" an hour a week for each of the music areas he listed. BUT how do we make the BBC - or, maybe more to the point - the government, listen! Of course, now may be a good time to draw attention to the BBC's failings, as the government are still annoyed at them over the Iraq reporting controversy.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: VIN
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 09:10 AM

To get that amount of airtime, el greko, i reckon you'd have to set up a pirate station - now there's an idea! Fancy bein captain Harvey? Avast thar all ye scurvy 'band' lubbers.

Sure we'd get some recruits from the Shellbacks!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 09:38 AM

Pirate radio station, eh? Well, our generation did it once, we can do it again! In fact, radio on the web is dead easy to set up, I'm told.
How about setting up BMBC (British Mudcat Broadcasting Corporation)?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: VIN
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 10:05 AM

Brilliant name EG - start recruiting!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 10:14 AM

Isn't this the same thread as 'Dear Mr. Harding'?
I'm cOnf9us@ed!
Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: VIN
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 10:40 AM

It's definately related Johnny.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: VIN
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 10:53 AM

Hey Strollin Johnny,just bin into your Gainsborough Folk festival web-site. Looks pretty good - Derek Brimstone, well worth it just to see him. Pub looks ok aswell - does the 8 jolly brewers do B & B??


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Crystal
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 12:21 PM

Are Digital radio stations illigal without a licence?
If not what are we waiting for?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 11:41 PM

Vin, the pub doesn't do B&B but there are one or two places locally - The Hickman Hill Hotel (fairly inexpensive), The White Hart (town centre pub), The Becketts Arms, Corringham (three or four miles out on the Grimsby road), or we have indoor camping at the local Sea-Scouts hut. Gainsborough's a small town for which the Festival (along with the Old Timey Festival in February) is rather ground-breaking stuff, so there's not a huge amount of accommodation. Get in early!

Cheers,
Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Navigator lady
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 08:09 AM


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 08:40 AM

Let's not forget the printed media. The so-called quality papers have listings for classical, jazz, pop, rock and blues but not folk music. I once found a listing for Martin Simpson under pop. The listings aside, they seldom ever review folk CD's, performances, festivals or discuss performers and dance, and when they do, it is usually the same bunch that cream the awards at the BBC FA.

How can the general public take folk seriously when the media doesn't?

And another thing, the BBC1 link stuff showing dancers; ever seen Morris dancers, Highland dancers and soft/hard Irish as part of these links? (sorry Wales - I'm completely ignorant about your dance tradition). The Beeb could at least represent the indigenous dances of the British Isles on the saints days.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Macha
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:50 PM

We must revolt! Folk music must be heard by all!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Dan Abnormal
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 05:39 AM

'Digital stations' are illegal without a licence, and you need to be part of a multiplex anyway (i.e. like the BBC ones) so you need to be 'official' to do it.

Internet radio however is completely legal and free to everyone to listen too. There is some question about PRS licenses, but I don't believe MCPS/PRS have any hard and fast rules about internet broadcasting yet.

All you need is a broadband connection to broadcast (to be on the safe side) and you just load all the tracks you want to play into an mp3 program like iTunes or winamp. I've tried some test broadcasts from home, and I actually pre-recorded the whole show (including links) the hour before I put it on air, but you can drag and drop in real time to cue tracks. Incidently, having not told anyone I was doing it that evening other than my housemates, I got five extra spontanious listeners according to the statistics window of the software - and one was in Alaska.

The software I used was shoutcast.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 02:48 AM

OK, Mike Harding has a "request" show next Wednesday 28th April. He asked for listeners to email him their requests at Mike Harding. So why not do as he asks, and email your requests to him. Let's see how many request country/bluegrass...


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 02:57 AM

Actually, Harding was not that bad last night. Only one outright country (indeed, almost Country and Western) song, and I know Whapweasel are rated at the moment but they don't really sound "English" to me. But it was his "St George" show so he said.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 03:21 AM

"Not that bad" isn't necessarily "good", Richard. No Morris tune, no Copper family. No Webber/Fentiman or any of the other wonderful exponents of English traditional music/song. And isn't Dick Gaughan Scottish/Irish? And an American singer songwriter instead of an English one...The only nod to St George's Day were the White Cockade and Richard Thomson's closing song. What a contrast to his St Paddy's Day programme, only 4 weeks ago!

But... this is just my perspective, we've thrashed this time and again, I don't want to keep moaning. The point is, we have a rare opportunity to register our view, with next Wednesday's request programme. So let people send in their requests to mike.harding@bbc.co.uk


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 03:22 AM


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 04:52 AM

Actually the funny thing by Whapweasel was supposed to be English dance.

Now what shall we request?

Young Tradition Lykewake Dirge? Or a different track? Maybe the Bold Fisherman, or Ramble Away?

Or Watersons Boston Harbour?

Or something from the Elliott Family? Maybe Cupid's Garden?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 05:43 AM

Whapweasel 'supposed to be' English dance? They're one of the hottest bands on the e-ceilidh scene at the moment. Very English and based in Northumberland. 'The Final Last Banana' is really *very* effective in getting absolutely everyone dancing.

What you're really saying is that last night's MH playlist didn't conform to a timewarped perception of what constituted 'folk' c1960. It's not that often you'll find me speaking up for the MH Show but that programme was a fair representation of what's going on NOW.

OK, there was no morris and I think a case could have been made for the inclusion of a track from the forthcoming 'Great Grandson of Morris On'. In this vein, I think the choice of Jah Wobble's version of MacColl's 'Cannily Cannily' was inspired.   'White Cockade' as one of only two nods to St George's Day? I'd personally have preferred the Witches of Elswick's 'Blue Cockade' rather than Kate Rusby doing it the way it's been done for ever, but there you go. And what was the other? 'New St George'? A fine Richard Thompson song with absolutely nothing to do with 'merrie England patriotism' but an eco-warrier call for action as relevant today as it was revolutionary when written over 30 years ago.

I think we could have done without the Waifs, Steeleye Span and Slaid Cleaves but it cannot be denied that they are popular in some quarters at present. And it wouldn't have been hard to find 'Sally Free and Easy' done by an English rather than an Irish singer but we did get June Tabor and John Tams by way of balance.

For the request show I'm going for 'Beam' , a new recording by Laurel Swift and Friends who include the rest of the Gloworms, John Dipper, Saul Rose, Jackie Oates, Miranda Rutter and her mum Sue Swift which is as fresh and sparkling a representation of the English tradition as it lives today as you can ever hope to find.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 07:03 AM

Well this "should" be the running order for my Resonance 104.4 FM (London UK) show at 2.00 BST today, on the internet for those who can't receive it off air.

It may change slightly since we go out live and I may waffle more than I should.

Hope it's English enough. I had planned a show based around Ulster and Cornwall, then I noticed the date.

Scan Tester        A Country Schottische
George Fradley        Last New Years Eve
Bob Blake        John Barleycorn
Bampton               Constant Billy
George Withers        The Old Man and His Wife
Jeff Wesley        Bonny Labouring Boy
Mary Ann Hayes        Lily White Hand
George Fradley        Mary Ann
Staithes Fishermen Men Of Steers
Gordon Hall        In Horsham Town
Geoff Ling        Change The Old Love for the New
Bampton               Old Tom Of Oxford
Bob Lewis        The Sussex Pig
Bob Cann & Mark Bazeley        Family Jig
Charlie Bridger        Three Maids a milking did go
Hubert Freeman        Down In The field where the buttercups all grow


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 08:15 AM

Why not get THE MEDIA interested more in Folk Music by EVERYONE who posts on here to send e-mail or even a letter or two to the Local Television Station informing the festivals that are on soon . The Mass of interest shown by YOU might get them to mention it as part of the local whats on section in the local news. We drive the media .If we act together and push we will get some notice paid to Folk Music . It is Called People power.
Lets use it or Lose it.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 03:41 AM

Damn, Kevin, I didn't know about your show.

Countess, you really seem to have an attitude problem. I was pointing out that Whapweasel WERE categorised as English Dance, when they had previously been omitted from another poster's list of "English" music on the programme. Now personally I don't think they sound very English, and of course the fact that something is popular in England right now does not necessarily make it "English Folk Music", which was what was being discussed at that point. But I think they are playing Sweeps this year and I may try to see them, and then I will have a better idea of whether I think they represent English Folk - or something else.

I quite liked the version of Sally Free and Easy - but that is intentionally to damn with faint praise. I do a sort of rock version myself.

But it would have been very very nice to hear some unaccompanied English harmony singing, which can be innovative if you demand innovation (Coope Boyes and Simpson) - or can be traditional if you like traditional (some stuff by Salt of the Earth) - or could be one of the recorded greats, as I mentioned above.

Necrophiliac, moi?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 04:16 AM

Damn, Kevin, I didn't know about your show.

I'm glad you put the comma after the damn, Richard, some wouldn't ;-)

I've posted about it before but I'll repeat it again here. It's "The Traditional Music Hour" on Resonance 104.4FM
from 2.00 to 3.00pm UK time. It's only broadcast "off air" in the London area (and reception can vary) but is live on the web. No facility to listen later I'm afraid, and only one old show (of Reg Hall's) is archived. However the show is usually repeated on the friday, one week later, between 7.00 and 8.00 am.

The radio station is run by The London Musicians Co-operative and has some interesting stuff on it at other times.

It's great fun doing it live in the studio with all the potential mistakes (no CD in the box, that sort of thing) but that's good for the adrenaline.

The programme started about two years ago, basically by Reg Hall with a few guest presenters such as Peta Webb, Ken Hall, the late (and greatly missed) Keith Summers etc. Now it's usually a 4 week cycle of presenters with the pattern - Reg Hall, David Campbell, Reg Hall then myself, but this may change to suit specific circumstances.

There's no imposed playlist, I can do what I like as long as it fits the title of the show.

I must admit that I'd set out a plan for what I wanted to do from month to month without noticing the dates and I had yesterdays show all mapped out when, reading this thread at 10.00am yesterday, reminded me that it was St George's day so I scrapped the planned show (which was mostly Ulster Music - Sarah Makem and Packkie Byrne) and quickly put together an english music show at the last minute. The play list was finally as above but we had some spare time so I slotted in Sam Sherry singing "I Want to be a Sausage" before the last number.

At least I've now got yesterday's originally planned show ready prepared for next month, luxury.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 05:10 AM

Countess, you really seem to have an attitude problem

Damn Richard I think you have a comprehension problem.

I took your list of 'requests' to be ironic though possibly you have the same perception of that term as Baldrick (bit like silvery or goldy).

Kevin,

I thought yesterday's playlist sounded very blokey but since you admitted this in air just after I'd tuned in, you are forgiven. Nice show!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 12:26 PM

Well, countess, then it seems you have a comprehension problem as well as an attitudinal one; and your omission of any commas in your homage to Kevin's post seems to indicate you have a grammatical one too.

You tilt quixotically (here and elsewhere) at a perceived gerontocracy, but if you look more closely you should surely find it a windmill.

I agree that folk-style music can change and progress: the arrangements of folk music and song likewise. Music and song that once was not folk music or song can be so transmitted and altered as to become folk music or song. But the mere fact that music or song is new or different does not make it better than music or song that is old, or vice versa. I have not perused your history, but the impression you give me from your comments spotted in passing is that you would choose to discard all old folk music and song and all old interpretations of folk music and song. Be open both to those and to accretions and re-arrangements of them. Do not close your mind in reflection of the closed minds you seem to think you see in others.

And no, I did not set out to parody Desiderata. It just turned out that way.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 12:39 PM

Damn Richard

No comma by intention.


Gerontocracy:

a form of oligarchical rule in which an entity is ruled by a small clique of leaders in which the oldest hold the most power.

Eh?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 12:46 PM

Richard-what does quixotically mean?
cheers.john


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 12:57 PM

I think he's trying to talk about Don Quixote tilting at windwills, jOhn. God knows why though.

I was talking about Blackadder...


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha.
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 01:07 PM

If you want the cream of trad Irish, Google over to RTE and listen to the Late Session and also Ceili House, great stuff , stream on and be entertained.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Compton
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 01:24 PM

Bring Back, Jim Lloyd or Tony Capstick....well someone like them anyway!!
However much we love him...Mike Harding isn't the business!!


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 04:06 AM

You know those links on BBC1 between programmes, you know the dancers dresssed in red which is trying to symbolise the melding of cultures in the UK? Did anyone see any morris dancers on these links yesterday (St George's Day)?


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 04:24 AM

Don't be silly, Peter. That would be the height of unkewlness.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Fiolar
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 07:56 AM

If any body is interested and has got satellite television try station 916 (Radio na Gaeltactha) at 7pm each evening. Also each morning from about 8am.


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Subject: RE: media coverage of Folk Music
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 11:54 AM

Precisely, O aptly named one.


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