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Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?

Johnny in OKC 14 Mar 04 - 05:56 PM
Shanghaiceltic 14 Mar 04 - 06:07 PM
Peace 14 Mar 04 - 06:08 PM
Felipa 14 Mar 04 - 06:09 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 14 Mar 04 - 06:13 PM
open mike 14 Mar 04 - 07:21 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Mar 04 - 07:26 PM
dwditty 14 Mar 04 - 07:29 PM
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Peace 14 Mar 04 - 09:41 PM
Johnny in OKC 14 Mar 04 - 10:34 PM
Padre 14 Mar 04 - 10:37 PM
Stilly River Sage 14 Mar 04 - 10:38 PM
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ddw 15 Mar 04 - 01:27 AM
Hrothgar 15 Mar 04 - 02:23 AM
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Peace 15 Mar 04 - 11:56 AM
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Subject: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Johnny in OKC
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 05:56 PM

Hot dogs, frankfurters, franks, wieners ...
Tube-steaks ...

What are some other names for hot dogs?
What do they call them where you live?

Are "bangers" hot dogs, or some other
kind of sausage?

Love, Johnny


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 06:07 PM

In China 'Re gou' litteraly means hot dog.

But a sausage is a 'xiang chang' which translates as fragrant intestines. So guess whats in them :-)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 06:08 PM

Steamies--but that's a preparation of the hot dog. Bun is steamed as is the wiener. Sauerkraut and mustard. Voila, cordon bleu cooking at its finest. They are available along St Lawrence Boulevard--often called the Main--in Montreal. Best hot dog in the known universe.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Felipa
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 06:09 PM

bangers are sausages, not the same type and not in a bun
usually served with "mash" (mashed potatotes)

how about a "sausage in a bun" (or a "in a roll") or "dachshund"?
the menu at my workplace says "brocaire té", Irish Gaelic for a "hot terrier"

I've noticed there are a lot of names in America for big, long sandwiches - hero, submarine, etc


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 06:13 PM

In Webster's, a hot dog is defined as a kind of Frankfurter, which in turn is defined as a cured cooked sausage that may be skinless or stuffed in a casing. Looks like the sausage is sort of the generic term.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: open mike
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 07:21 PM

i call them tofu pups or soy dogs...cuz those are the ones i eat!
there is also a brand of veggie "links" called nhot dogs.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 07:26 PM

A sausage sarnie (or butty) is a very different animal. Tastier too. Mtself, I think frankfurters are a very boring variety of sausage.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: dwditty
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 07:29 PM

Bun Snake


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 07:30 PM

Corn Dog [dipped in batter] &

Pig in a Blanket [wrapped in dough & baked]


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 09:41 PM

I lived in NYC when a law was passed in the State of New York. The law required that ALL sausage being imported into NY State had to contain at least 20% meat or meat by-products. Just thought I'd mention. (That was in about 1968-9.)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Johnny in OKC
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 10:34 PM

Thanks everybody for the invaluable contributions!

McGrath, I have to agree with you, but you
can spice them up with salsa - a-hoo-ah!

Love, Johnny


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Padre
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 10:37 PM

'Conies' (from Coney Island)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 10:38 PM

Felipa,

Another name here in the states for a big sandwich is a "Dagwood" after Dagwood Bumstead, in the newspaper cartoon Blondie. He used to construct crammed-full unwieldy sandwiches. But the length or size of any of these (submarines, etc) has nothing to do with the bland sausage called a hot dog.

brucie, I would think that some of the Nathan's or other Kosher hotdogs must be mostly meat. They taste so good, you can feel your arteries harden as you swallow. :)

SRS


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 10:38 PM

Nedick's (sp?). I've had more than a few there, and they used to be really good. Still good, any of you New Yorkers?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 10:39 PM

Yeah, kocher's good. LOL on the arteries.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: ddw
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 01:27 AM

As far as I can figure out, hot dog, Vienna sausages and Bologna are all the exactly same thing, just packaged and served differently. I think it's pushing the definition to call any of them sausages.... They're more like the dumping ground for any meat byproduct you can't sell any other way....

cheers,

david


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 02:23 AM

Saveloys? Frankfurters?

We have a short (about 2 to 3 inch) hot dog called a "Cheerio." I have a feeling this might be restricted to Queensland, and south-east Queensland at that, but others might differ.

Usually when we talk about a "hot dog" we mean the sausage actually in the roll. The sausage without the roll would be a saveloy, or (sometimes) a frankfurter.

A "Dagwood Dog" here is a saveloy covered in batter. It is not, repeat not, a health food.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 02:25 AM

Oops - Cheerios are usually eaten without the bun, as finger food, usually dipped in tomato sauce (ketchup), so they are really saveloys, not hot dogs (see above).

I might go and lie down for a while. This is making me feel queasy.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 03:38 AM

This is just a private joke among my circle of friends, but we often refer to them as "lip dogs", or "lippers" for short. The joke is that they look like lips and that they're probably made, in part, from hog lips and beef lips. (No, the chicken varieties are not made from chicken lips.)

The term can be traced back to a couple of very stoned friends watching a bunch of hot dogs cook on a grill. You know, something like, "Wow, man! Didja ever notice how these things curl up and start to smile at ya when they're cookin'? Look just like a buncha lips, don't they?" Over the past twenty years it's been spread around and adopted by hundreds of otherwise normal people. We figure that with geometric progression and all, "lip dog" will be the preferred term by about the year 2100.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:56 AM

There was a movie that said the main ingredients of hot dogs were "lips and assholes". Good though!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:57 AM

Anyone who likes law or sausage should never watch either one being made. (I can't remember who said that. Famous lawyer or SC judge in the USA.)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Lighter
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:59 AM

As in Australia, USA "hot dogs" usually include the bun, but you can refer off-handedly to the frankfurters alone in the same way. The same is less true of "(ham)burgers."


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Big Mick
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 12:25 PM

Felipa, in the States, bangers are often served on a bun with saute' of green peppers and onions with a good mustard. But they are still made in a traditional way. The bangers are either purchased from an import shop or made fresh from an Irish recipe. Usually put into a huge pot and just covered with water. The fire is turned up high, and about the time the bubbles just start to rise, they are turned off and given a water bath under very cold water. This cooks and sets the skin. They are then cooked either on a griddle or on a grill and served in a kaiser roll or something similar with the aforemntioned saute' and mustard. Gran would have had a fit as she served them with mash, but I gotta tell you they are tremendous. Damn, think I am going to have to stuff some this weekend.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 02:09 PM

I can only add "red-hots", and point out that Kosher franks, at least, are 100% beef.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: GUEST,M'Grath of Altcar
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 03:11 PM

Mystery bags
( no-one knows whats in them)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: open mike
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 05:02 PM

If you want to know why not to eat most processed meat type lproducts.. lunch meat, sausage, "cold cuts" etc. read sinclair lewis' the jungle where rodents, maybe even humas fall in the vats...like soilent green.

submarine sandwiches a.k.a.

there is a franchised place called subway who make them so they are sometimes called subways. there is another chain called Blimpies that makes them too. I hear they are called grinders on the east coast, esp. in new york, and also hogies or hoagies. Another name is "Hero" (as opposed to greek falafel type pita deals called Giro where the "g" is pornounced like an "H") pizza places make a folded over type of pizza like a big dumpling or turn-over which is called a calzone
and then there are all sorts of other bread dough and filling type thingies...Pasties, piroshkis, pirogies, sort of like raviolis ....with wheat dough wrapped around veggies and stuff..


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: IvanB
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 09:46 PM

'The Jungle' by Sinclair Lewis was published in 1906 and was the book that finally led to a federal meat inspection program in the U.S. At the time, there had been stabs at inspection programs and some regions or localities had programs but these programs all had varying effectiveness and standards.

As a former meat inspector and someone who was in charge of labels and standards for a state inspection program (which operated under federal guidelines and oversight), I can assure you that lips, snouts, eyeballs, or offal af any other type is not allowed in sausage without being listed as such in the ingredient label. The terms "beef," "pork," "turkey," etc., on a label, all refer to muscle and not to the aforementioned offal products.

During the years Michigan had its inspection program, it was a constant fight with the feds over sausage standards. Michigan law required a minimum of 12% protein in sausage whereas federal law required a maximum of 30% fat and 10% "added" water. Although the two standards were similar, many federally inspected products met the federal fat standard but fell somewhere between >11% and <12% protein and were not allowed to be sold in Michigan. In the end, a federally inspected packer took Michigan to court over our different standards and won. Didn't matter a whole lot though, because the state legislature killed the inspection program anyway so they could fund shortfalls at the Pontiac Silverdome (a Michigan sports arena).

But, in spite of what you may think of the U.S. federal meat inspection program (and "mad cow" has certainly cast it in a negative light), what goes into sausage must be accurately stated on the label and the flavor of the product is largely a result of the quality of raw ingredients and the sausagemaker's spice abilities. And remember that 'The Jungle' portrays a world of almos 100 years ago.

correction made and subsequent post deleted - jc


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 10:20 PM

Recipe for a quick, camp meal:

Can of Campbell's basil tomato soup
Add water (but soup should be thick)
Add smoked sausages or dogs sliced in thin rounds
When hot and bubbly, poach eggs in the soup.
Serve!
Bone Appey teet!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:00 PM

Bruce--perhaps Justice Frankfurter said that?

. . .ow! You missed me. . .


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:07 PM

Oh, geez, Ivan, I was ready to quit eating sausage forever from this point on and throw away the stuff I just brought home in today's groceries. Yuck! Yes, please DO proofread in the future!

I read The Jungle when I was working as a historic interpreter at Ellis Island. What an eyeful!

SRS


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: GUEST,Blackcatter
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:53 PM

"The less people know about how sausages and laws are made, the better they'll sleep at night."

Otto von Bismarck


Found numerous variations on this quote (partially because he probably make the remark auf Deutsch - all attributed to Bismarck.


Chicago style dogs - the best kind ever. I have two tests early in any relationship - the lady must appreciate Guinness and must appreciate a Chicago style dog.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 12:12 AM

What does she get in return for passing these tests, eh?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: GUEST,Otto Von Bismarck
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 12:15 AM

Zee Chicago hot-dog vould violate our Bavarian purity laws and vould be no more entitled to call itself a sausage zan vould Heileman's "Doggy-style" fermented piss be allowed to call itself ein beer.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: curmudgeon
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 05:50 AM

AKA tube steaks -- Tom


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 10:45 AM

During WW I they were called Victory Franks in the US. Everything German was renames for the duration.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 01:14 PM

Erotic Toys !

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: InOBU
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 01:54 PM

Sorcha Dorcha Doggies... SORCHA DORCHA will be at the HALF KING restaurant and pub, this Wends. Saint Patrick's Day on 23rd street between 10th and 11th Ave. from 7 pm to 10 ... As expected Lorcan Otway on vocals uilleann pipes flute whistle bodhran and the great Jane Kelton on flute whistle and key board, Seanin An Fear on Mandolin, Joe Charupakorn on guitar... the joint is already rumbling, so stay from Give us a drink of water to An Phis Fluich, all yer ol' favs...
Cheers, Is mise, le meas, Lorcan Otway


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 01:58 PM

'Würstchen im Schlafrock' (Sausages in the nightgown)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 04:59 PM

Not Hamburgers?? Right Wolfgang?

Art ;-)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Beer
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 09:46 PM

Chien Chaud literairly transulated it means "Dog Hot' in French.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 12:38 AM

Gee, and I thought Bismark was dead (and/or sunk).


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: rich-joy
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 04:17 AM

Then there's that OTHER kind, as detailed in that wonderful old blues number from Butterbeans and Susie, late 1920s :

"I wanna Hot Dog for my roll
I want it hot I don't want it cold
Give me a big one, that's what I want
I want it so it can fit my bread ..."


Stewie has all the words!

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 07:19 AM

So now we have to have all the words & a tune...


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Other names for Hot Dogs?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 08:54 AM

"Bobbits"?
"The bit Mrs Pig had no use for"?


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