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Bobert 02 Mar 04 - 09:48 PM
CarolC 02 Mar 04 - 09:58 PM
Bill D 02 Mar 04 - 10:14 PM
Amos 02 Mar 04 - 10:16 PM
Bobert 02 Mar 04 - 10:21 PM
Bill D 02 Mar 04 - 10:33 PM
Alaska Mike 02 Mar 04 - 10:35 PM
Bobert 02 Mar 04 - 11:02 PM
Alaska Mike 02 Mar 04 - 11:13 PM
John MacKenzie 03 Mar 04 - 01:01 PM
SueB 03 Mar 04 - 01:01 PM
Mrrzy 03 Mar 04 - 01:21 PM
GUEST,Bran 03 Mar 04 - 01:29 PM
CarolC 03 Mar 04 - 01:37 PM
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katlaughing 03 Mar 04 - 03:11 PM
GUEST 03 Mar 04 - 03:15 PM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Mar 04 - 03:41 PM
beadie 03 Mar 04 - 03:50 PM
Big Mick 03 Mar 04 - 04:03 PM
CarolC 03 Mar 04 - 04:24 PM
freightdawg 03 Mar 04 - 06:58 PM
Bobert 03 Mar 04 - 07:20 PM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Mar 04 - 07:48 PM
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Stilly River Sage 03 Mar 04 - 11:38 PM
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John MacKenzie 04 Mar 04 - 03:25 AM
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Subject: BS: Kerry/_____________???.....
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:48 PM

Well danged. Looks like John Kerry has wrapped up the Democratic nomination for President and now must start thinking about the bottom of the ticket... You know, the other guy...

Any choices or opinions?

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Kerry/_____________???.....
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:58 PM

Kucinich for president!!!

;-)


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From: Bill D
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 10:14 PM

everyone has been speculating for several weeks that Edwards is an obvious choice, and no one has tried to deny it....it will come down to negetiations and best guesses as to practicality.


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From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 10:16 PM

Kerry should tap Colin Powell for VP. It would unsettle them Publicands something fierce. Whic they richly deserve.

A


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From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 10:21 PM

Now that is one righteously wicked idea, Amos...

You come up with that?

Yo, CarolC, fir a gal who a few months ago was gonna possibly vote fir Bush, I am totally impressed with yer backing Kucinich. I love Dennis... He's definately make the best president. But this is about the Veep.... Sorry.... I really am....

Bobert


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From: Bill D
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 10:33 PM

sorry, Bobert (and Carol)...but Kucinich couldn't even get Larry King to recognize him when he raised his hand! Having some good ideas is useless if you can't be a 'presence'- and always get seated at the far end of the table. He can still make waves if he goes about it right, but he will never be thought of as 'presidential' by any appreciable number.

(and that is NOT meant to belittle him...I know many men & women who can think ..and have fine ideas.. who should NOT be in charge of a country...me & thee, for example...*grin*)


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From: Alaska Mike
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 10:35 PM

I agree CaroleC, Kucinich for President. I will vote for Kerry if he is the final candidate, but there are lots of others who I'd rather have had a chance to vote for. It pisses me off that the decision is already made and I haven't even had a chance to vote in a primary or caucus or anything. Why don't the Parties have a general election for the candidate when all of them are still in the running.   I'm tired of being left out of the process. Of course, I also wish we were able to have a popular vote for President instead of this stupid Electoral College. Oh well, its probably not going to change in my lifetime.

Mike


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From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 11:02 PM

Gotta agree with both my friend, Bill D and my frined, Alaska Mike....

Bobert


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From: Alaska Mike
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 11:13 PM

Now I'm worried, what exactly is a "frined"? LOL


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From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 01:01 PM

I want to like Kerry but can't, he seems to stand for lots of things I agree wiith, although not all. G W Shrub will be a hard man to shift, and I'm not sure Kerry can hack it, I think it depends on his running mate, and no I don't think he should choose Howard.
I was on holiday in the US when the 9/11 tragedy struck, and I watched Shrub's congressional speech in the aftermath, and thought he came over so well, I couldn't believe it was the same guy. If his draft dodging, and his love of capital punishment don't shift him, then perhaps the Iraqui problem will sink his boat, but I think he might prove to be the unsinkable George Bush, unfortunately.
John


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From: SueB
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 01:01 PM

I'm going to bet that Kerry's not going to pick any of the people who've been running against him in the primaries. I think it's someone waiting quietly in the wings, staying out of the limelight,
keeping his/her mouth shut. Not Hilary, although that at least would give Kerry some insurance against being assassinated while in office.


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From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 01:21 PM

I like the idea of Powell, but I bet if nominated, he would run AWAY, he has that much sense... Hee hee SueB, so right! I still like the idea of Edwards or Clark; but the bottom line for me is, I just don't want to see Dubya elected for a first time.


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From: GUEST,Bran
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 01:29 PM

Unsure whether I like the idea of Powell. Anyone who pronounces his first name like a rude part of your anatomy is worrying. You'll end up with Bush again - his brother fixed it the first time - he'll fix it again. Which war will he start in his next term?


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From: CarolC
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 01:37 PM

Iran and Syria, Bran. Not necessarily in that order.


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From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:01 PM

How about Ralph?

DougR


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From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:11 PM

Here's what some news agencies are reporting, fwiw:

Jim Johnson, a prominent Washington Democrat, heads the list of potential candidates to lead Kerry's selection process. Johnson, vice president of a merchant banking firm, once worked for former Vice President Walter Mondale.


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From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:15 PM

Hmmm. I'm going to try again.

How about Ralph?

DougR


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:41 PM

If he was sneaky he'd have Bill Clinton. (There's nothing in your constitution to stop it, or to stop him succeeding as President if need be, for that matter.)


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From: beadie
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:50 PM

I'm intrigued by (and need more information on) New Mexico Gov. Bill Richards.

A former ambassador to the UN (good foreign policy experience), of Hispanic descent (good demographic), not a New England "liberal" (good political diversity), and not a Senator (last time a two-Senator ticket won was in 1960).

Tell me more, if anyone knows about Mr. Richards.


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From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:03 PM

And now you see the problem in the Democratic Party. I love Dennis Kucinich, but despite what folks that think like us folkies believe, it hasn't got much to do with who we like the best. It is about who the great middle likes the best. Folks that are perceived to be too far right (Buchanan) or too far left (Kucinich, Harkin) will never get the nod. They bring a small group with them, but drive far too many others to the other side. Folks can live with some defection from their core values, but not too much. That is why it is so very important to craft a platform, and a ticket, that appeals to the center. I hate it, but in our society, that is how it is. If I could choose a President today, it would be hard to beat Tom Harkin. But, for the reasons stated above, he would never get elected.

All the best,

Mick


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From: CarolC
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:24 PM

DougR, I don't see Ralph being willing to take second place, for one thing. And also, (I figured you'd be swooning over this one... ) he's already declared that he'll be running for president as a third party candidate.


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From: freightdawg
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:58 PM

Sen. Kerry has one huge problem in choosing a veep. Anyone whom he names will automatically have more personality and charisma than Kerry. This will be the first ticket in history where the vp is going to be more interesting and have more draw than the head man.

Sen. Edwards has steadfastly said he does not want to be veep. And for good reason - it is a dead end job. You get no glory. When it comes time for you to run as "your own person," people have so connected you to #1 that you are just his shadow (see exhibit, "Al Gore").

Beadie, I live in New Mexico and can tell you that Gov. Richardson is truly a mixed bag. He is pro business, and has cut NM taxes in a way that made Pres. Bush brag on him on one of his NM visits. He seems to be working hard to improve NM's standard of living, and boost its economy. However, Gov. Richardson is an absolute cutthroat politician. His heavy handed use of the governorship here has alarmed even the staunchest democrats, and they have moved in this past session to limit some of the authority Gov. Richardson discovered in the office to ram through some of his pet policies (he makes all of his appointees file a letter of resignation, so he can accept it on his whim, he spent a ton of money on the governor's power of "discretion", he crammed through a constitutional amendment that opened up a reserve fund that was earmarked solely for education, among other things such as using the state police helicopter to buzz around the state). He has violated no laws (at least, any that anyone can nail him on), but he truly is one of the most activist governors that we have seen in a long time (republican or democrat). Since he has not been in office long enough for the "chickens to come home to roost" the long term verdict is still out. As chairman of the democratic party, (or at least of the upcoming convention, I forget which) Gov. Richardson has repeatedly said he would not accept the nomination, which is only proper. Only time will tell if he decides to change his mind.

Getting back to the original question, only one name really makes sense: Dick Gephardt. It's a long shot (he has been rejected repeatedly in his runs for president), and he definitely would come across and the more aggressive and ambitious of the two, but who is Kerry going to pick that is more bland than he is?

Of course, then there is the long shot name I heard on tv - John McCain.

Freightdawg


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From: Bobert
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 07:20 PM

Well, freighdawg, back in the old days the VP was a deadend job and then, then... along came Cheney....

Awww, jus' mseein' wid ya......kinda?

Hey, I hadn't heard of McCain but........ Hmmmmmmmm?

Bobert


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 07:48 PM

Whatever, he'd look better with a beard, the same way Lincoln did.


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From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:34 PM

IMO, it would be a big mistake if he picks Gephardt. Too much of an insider like Kerry and would lose many who want some fresh, new energy such as Dean brought to the table. Of course, the main thing on peoples' minds is getting the shrub out, so it may not make that much difference who he picks as long as they are not too controversial and that is exactly what sucks about our political system these days!


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:38 PM

Let's see if this will work: David Horsey March 4 cartoon. It's connected to an active server page (asp) so might not keep working. The Seattle P.I. runs his cartoons here.

Look out, everyone!

SRS


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From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:55 PM

...emphasis will placed on the possibility of naming a southerner, a prerequisite for Democratic victories over the past 60 years. The last time Democrats won the White House without a southerner on the ticket was 1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman (of Missouri).


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From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:35 AM

Southerner or Sooner, Kerry has to convince the business world that he can take care of business. This does not require the callous asininity that characterizes the incumbent, but it does mean a strong sense of how to keep the wheels of business turning over (which means economic survival for all concerned). If his VP gets behind that, all the better.

A


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From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 03:25 AM

Martha Stewart?
John


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From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 08:31 AM

It wasn't that long ago since a vice president won the White House--George H.W. Bush in 1988. 1988 is the year everyone keeps comparing this race too, because that year there were record turnouts also for the Democratic primaries. Jesse Jackson is the candidate who was mobilizing the Democrats that year, when the party told the left wing of the party they will unelectable and picked guess who from Massachusetts?

I am, once again, extremely sceptical about the so-called "electability" of John Kerry. I am, however, certain that Kerry is the choice because he is the candidate the DLC feels most comfortable with, and therefore doesn't represent the grassroots of the Democratic party at all. And last time I checked, nobody was winning national elections by only winning the independent centrists.

The Democratic nominee needs the support of the Democratic grassroots in order to get elected. While the conventional pundits all keep walking around saying that there is great unity in the Democratic party, there isn't. The party has simply turned it's back on it's left wing and grassroots constituencies, just as it did in 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, and 2000. We'll see whether Kerry is progressive enough to keep the Democratic party together in what is bound to be a very contentious race.

And just to cheer up all you Democratic types, I predict that Kerry will choose a Southerner from one of the battleground states for his vice president. Bob Graham stands a very good chance, and would be a strategically good move for capturing Florida for the Dems.

Although there are other choices I'm sure Kerry is capable of making that will alienate the left and grassroots even more, possibly resulting in many Democrats either staying home as so many have been doing for years, or voting for Nader again.


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From: maire-aine
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 11:26 AM

I think I'd be real happy with a Bob Graham as the running mate. I was planning on supporting Graham until he decided not to run.

M


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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 11:43 AM

I'll second that. I've also heard very good things about Bob Graham.


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From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:41 PM

Evan Byah sould be our next Vice President. Alas, it will prolly be Edwards.


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From: Bobert
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:44 PM

You sound as if a Bush defeat is emminant, John. This ain't like you one danged bit...

Bobert


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From: Frankham
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 02:08 PM

I've seen Kerry in person. I didn't find him to be boring at all.
He spoke with passion, eloquence and stayed with the issues. He
eschewed the use of labels and name-calling although he did
land on the so-called job that Bush is doing with both feet.
On the issue of how this administration is doing it's job, Kerry
will not pull any punches.

Nader is about to be a spoiler again.

As to the Democratic Party, it didn't influence me one way or another. Seeing Kerry in person did. He was great with the public
and listened closely to what people had to say. He responded
to their concerns with respect and sincerity. There wasn't any
trace of a party machine present but he embraced those whom
he has admired such as Representative John Lewis of Georgia,
Shirley Franklyn, the mayor of Atlanta, and Max Cleland, a veteran and parapalegic patriot who was savaged by the ruthless ads
put out by the Republicans in Georgia who got a do-nothing
senator Saxby Chambliss to take his place. The ads BTW showed Max Cleland alongside of Osama bin Laden and intimated that he was a traitor. This man lost his limbs as a veteran which shows you how low the Republican National Committee will go to destroy someone.

I hope Democrats won't shoot themselves in the foot again by
tearing Kerry down.

Frank


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From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 02:53 PM

I think it more likely that the Democrats have committed political suicide again, because the nominee chosen isn't electable in the eyes of the party's rank and file--like the grassroots activists who do the grunt work getting the vote out year after year, and get kicked in the teeth by the party machine year after year.

Seems to me that way too many Democrats are just plain slow learners.

Hint: we got into this fine mess because the Democratic leadership abandoned it's political base within the party, just to get Clinton elected. Clinton represents the old southern conservative Democratic party--the party of Strom Thurmond, and the Democrats who voted for Reagan.


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From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 03:02 PM

I disagree, Nameless One. I think the rank and file is voting for him and that is why he is iwnning the noimination; and they are voting for him because they believe he IS electable. Compared to Bush he looks like John Kennedy.

A


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From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 03:07 PM

I agree with George Will on this one.   Wills thinks the VP will be Evan Bayh.   The only thing a VP gives you in a campaign is 5 points in his home state.   5 points won't help Kerry in North Carolina.   Kerry is going to lose that no matter what.

The key state is Ohio.   Remember when Tim Russert held up that sign that said Florida.   In 2004 I think it will be OHio.   A repuplican has ever won in the last 50 years without carrying Ohio.   In addition Ohio has been very hard hit by jobs loss making it in play for 2004.   Unfortunately, there is no democrat worth a damn in Ohio.   I love Jim Traficant, but unfortunately he is in jail. (but still plans to run for his seat next year- from jail)   The next closeset thing to Ohio is Evan Bayh in Indiana.    Kerry has a much better chance of getting Ohio and Indiana with Bayh, than he does getting the south with Edwards

I can't see Hillary playing 2nd banana to Theresa Hines.


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From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 03:20 PM

"I love Jim Traficant, but unfortunately he is in jail."

ummmm...why would ANYONE love a reprobate like Traficant? Even without his conviction, he would not have been a viable candidate for VP........wait...I take it back..Spiro Agnew got in.*grin*


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From: beadie
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 04:02 PM

Freightdawg:

Thanks for the first-person review. This kind of info on your Gov. helps clarify the picture.

Mucho Appreciado.


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From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 05:07 PM

"I predict that Kerry will choose a Southerner from one of the battleground states for his vice president." I'd add "Midwest" to that.

That is probably the geographical and political strategy. And the bigger the state, the bigger the bang. We're talking Florida, Ohio, or Pennsylvania.

I don't think Edwards will make the cut although he would be an asset to the campaign, just not a big enough one. Haven't heard anything against Graham and it would remind Democrats of the Florida voting fiasco in 2000. Don't know nothing about the governor of PA.

Any women worth mentioning in the "battleground" states?

Charley Noble


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From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 08:37 PM

it's funny about Graham...I hear LOTS of nice things about him, but the few news clips I've seen make me think of Boris Yeltsin after a couple shots of vodka.(he was singing in one) What am I missing?


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From: jaze
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 08:49 PM

I love McGrath's diabolical idea with Bill Clinton! Wouldn't that XXXX the military indusrial complex off no end!


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From: Alice
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 08:58 PM

I think Kerry will ask John Edwards to be his running mate. Edwards is fresh in people's minds (voters have short attention span) and he made a positive impression in his campaign.


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From: DougR
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 01:18 AM

For once I support Big Mick's point of view politically. No candidate that is too far right, or too far left, has a shot at being elected.

DougR


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From: kendall
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 06:56 AM

Kerry could never carry the redneck vote. He must have a southerner. Kucinich is the nicest one in the bunch, but, not electable. I think it will be Edwards, and, I have never seen the democrat party so united before. ANYBODY but Bush.


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From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 08:04 AM

Republicans have been electing far right candidates since Reagan.

Nader is now polling at 6% to Bush's 46% and Kerry's 45%.


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From: Frankham
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 04:58 PM

The evidence about Kerry's operative pattern is that he will
not move impulsively in the selection of a running mate.

It will probably not be solely on the basis of who can take
the South. He has a pattern of loyalty to those in his life.
Many are veterans who have seen the horror of war.

I wonder if it will be Max Cleland or General Clark? It will
probably be someone Kerry has known for a long time and has
a close working relationship with them.

Frank


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From: dianavan
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 05:47 PM

amos - Compared to Bush he looks like John Kennedy.

Isn't that exactly what the democratic, political machine is hoping for? Is it true? Of course not. If the dems want to oust Bush, they better start explaining who Kerry really is and stop trying to fool the public with a "Kennedy stand-in". Real change is needed and people are getting sick of media images. Its time for Kerry to tell the public who he really is and where he stands on domestic issues.

d


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 07:45 PM

"No candidate that is too far right, or too far left, has a shot at being elected.

But the Supreme Court was able to sort that one out last time...


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