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tar_heel 21 Feb 04 - 10:06 AM
Bohdran Killer 21 Feb 04 - 10:20 AM
GUEST,hakman 21 Feb 04 - 10:29 AM
GUEST,hakman 21 Feb 04 - 10:33 AM
GUEST,hakman 21 Feb 04 - 10:35 AM
GUEST 21 Feb 04 - 10:40 AM
GUEST,Ebbie 21 Feb 04 - 10:41 AM
Donuel 21 Feb 04 - 10:41 AM
Donuel 21 Feb 04 - 10:42 AM
Donuel 21 Feb 04 - 10:47 AM
Donuel 21 Feb 04 - 10:49 AM
CarolC 21 Feb 04 - 11:54 AM
Jerry Rasmussen 21 Feb 04 - 12:00 PM
GUEST 21 Feb 04 - 12:10 PM
jimmyt 21 Feb 04 - 12:28 PM
Frankham 21 Feb 04 - 12:53 PM
Peace 21 Feb 04 - 01:02 PM
Peace 21 Feb 04 - 01:06 PM
dianavan 21 Feb 04 - 01:25 PM
GUEST,liberalhater 21 Feb 04 - 03:16 PM
dianavan 21 Feb 04 - 03:27 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Feb 04 - 03:27 PM
artbrooks 21 Feb 04 - 03:31 PM
dianavan 21 Feb 04 - 04:09 PM
GUEST,liberalhater 21 Feb 04 - 04:20 PM
Donuel 21 Feb 04 - 04:32 PM
Big Mick 21 Feb 04 - 04:39 PM
dianavan 21 Feb 04 - 04:56 PM
Sam L 21 Feb 04 - 05:40 PM
dianavan 21 Feb 04 - 05:48 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Feb 04 - 05:53 PM
Walking Eagle 21 Feb 04 - 06:26 PM
kendall 21 Feb 04 - 06:42 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Feb 04 - 07:22 PM
Peace 21 Feb 04 - 07:40 PM
Sam L 21 Feb 04 - 10:06 PM
Rapparee 21 Feb 04 - 10:12 PM
Nerd 22 Feb 04 - 12:39 AM
Dave Hanson 22 Feb 04 - 01:03 AM
Nerd 22 Feb 04 - 01:05 AM
Peace 22 Feb 04 - 01:11 AM
Bohdran Killer 22 Feb 04 - 01:36 AM
dianavan 22 Feb 04 - 01:44 AM
Sam L 22 Feb 04 - 02:25 AM
Sam L 22 Feb 04 - 02:56 AM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Feb 04 - 09:17 AM
Rapparee 22 Feb 04 - 10:09 AM
Frankham 22 Feb 04 - 10:40 AM
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Subject: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: tar_heel
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:06 AM

bleeding heart liberals


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Bohdran Killer
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:20 AM

' Love me, I'm a liberal 'Phil Oakes


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: GUEST,hakman
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:29 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: GUEST,hakman
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:33 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: GUEST,hakman
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:35 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:40 AM

Question: Why would anyone take an unbalanced name caller like tarheel seriously?

Answer: They don't.

tarheel, it might be better for your mental health, for you to go crawling back to the flock of right wing fundies you obviously escaped from. I understand that fundies like yourself actually explode in rage all the time, when in the company by thoughtful, deliberating, questioning souls who refuse to be spoonfed a steady diet of 'what to think' pablum.

The scariest thing about people like tarheel, is they can't even tolerate being in the presence of people who think, believe, and act differently than they do. Like the French, for instance.

I'm sure tarheel won't be travelling to France anytime soon because they do speak French there, and eat different foods, and are largely non-religious.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: GUEST,Ebbie
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:41 AM

What's your problem, tar_heel? Surely you're not as full of bitterness and dislike as you come across?


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:41 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:42 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:47 AM

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushcall.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:49 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 11:54 AM

I think he's trying to tell us that he wants to become a bleeding heart liberal.

You go right ahead and become a bleeding heart liberal, tar_heel, but you better go into hiding if you do. I don't think your neo-Nazi friends are going to like it very much.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 12:00 PM

Dang!

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 12:10 PM

Donuel, I love iraqmon & stairsgears. They are dead on (and please excuse the grisly pun).

Was tarheel traumatized lately, or what? I mean, what the hell has set this guy off, exploding in hate all over the BS forum? Here is a conservative guy who has been posting normally from down there in North Carolina for a couple of years. Then suddenly he goes off the deep end here.

What is going on with you tarheel, to make you turn on the community you obviously felt part of for the past several years anyway? The fact that the fundies might lose the White House, or what?


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: jimmyt
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 12:28 PM

My question exactly, Tarheel, I have been arounf here for a couple of years and have chatted with you occasionaly and founf you to be a pretty great guy. I also happen to be a Conservative, but I can't quite figure out what you hope to accomplish with this name calling. Hang in there buddy, maybe get a beer. Relax


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Frankham
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 12:53 PM

The Bush smears have started already. That's what this is all
about. The use of the internet to promote more Bush lies.
It's election time!

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 01:02 PM

I'm one of them, a bleeding heart liberal. So, what's it to you, Jack?


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 01:06 PM

Hey, tar heel, that little voice getting to you? You are gonna give yourself ulcers if'n ya don't give yourself a coronary first. You have too much anger and maybe hatred to keep bottled up, so I guess this BHL figures he's glad you can spread it around. Here's a big hug from me to you.

brucie


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 01:25 PM

A high-school student's poster I saw yesterday:

Multiculturalism unites Canada
Racism and hate divides us
Working together makes us strong

Its too bad, tar heel, that people like you attempt to destroy the hopes and dreams of our children.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: GUEST,liberalhater
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 03:16 PM

Multiculturalism does not unite, it divides society up into seperate groups. Much better to absorb alien cultures into your own.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 03:27 PM

Thats what the Irish thought. Come to think of it, so did most Native people.

Whats your own culture? Hollywood?

I prefer to live in a country where people retain their language and learn another. Where there is a will to celebrate our rich diversity and our human sameness. Its far more interesting.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 03:27 PM

How has it come about that "bleeding heart" is somehow used as some kind of insult. Is the idea that there's something wrong about having a sense of compassion for people who are suffering?

And this from someone who apparently in some way would evidently regard himself as a Christian, no doubt sincerely? I mean, we can all fall down on when it comes to compassion, but to see it as some kind of a failing, that is seriously weird.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 03:31 PM

My heart hasn't bled at all lately.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 04:09 PM

Didn't Christ have a bleeding heart? I think Catholics consider it sacred.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: GUEST,liberalhater
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 04:20 PM

What's the point of people retaining their "own" language? It will only encourage them to think of themselves as belonging elsewhere and owning loyalty to a country they do not live in but which their ancestors did. They will remain detached from the country in which they were born and from the country which they cliam to be loyal too. Diversity is the biggest con imaginable and Canada is being destroyed by them.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 04:32 PM

while the liberalhater dreams of his final soultion...

THis just in!

Drudge: HELEN HUNT is KERRY's LOVE CHILD !!!
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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 04:39 PM

I have given this, and the other thread some thought, and I have decided I agree with liberalhater and tar heel. Hence, I am here by on record as opposing this PC bullshit, and these folks that try to impose diversity on us. Hence, I am now calling on all these wonderful neocons to embrace the established order and return this country and all other countries to their roots, to what they were established on. Would someone be so kind as to point me in the direction of the nearest First Nations/Native American language learning school? And the nearest shaman so that I may learn the religous practices? If I am going to live in this country, then by God, I should learn to fit in. And anyone that doesn't agree with this should go back to where they came from..........

See how silly you sound? And I love a European telling us how Canada is tearing itself apart. I spend some time in Canada and they are doing fine. In fact the US could learn from them. Now ..... they have political problems ... but that is something else and who doesn't? But the people are wonderful, the cultures rich. So just stick to telling us what is wrong with yourself, liberalhater, and don't worry about the speck in someone elses eye.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 04:56 PM

Liberalhater - Language does not tie you to one country or another. In fact, the more languages you speak, the better. Retaining the language of your mother insures that you will retain the cultural values and belief systems of your family. Its all about family unity and cultural diversity. Once you become an adult you have the opportunity to take what you like and leave the rest.

Its a pretty good plan as long as everyone knows the game rules of tolerance and respect. It creates a process of growing and learning. It also creates a country that is always in the process of evolving. Fertile ground for world peace and understanding.

Nationalism divides. It also creates a nation of people who are steeped in dogma and ignorance.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Sam L
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 05:40 PM

I'm a liberal, but I mis-trust sentiment, and believe in trying to do the right thing in cold blood, not for anyone's sake but your own.
I think pc diversity is a bit of a sham, sometimes. The differences of people in remote cultures are so much cuter than the differences in our stupid next-door neighbor. Unless you're pretty darn serious about it it's just touristy and sort of cheaply pornographic to get too flirty with culture you don't really live with. It's important to study your own culture, all the boring old junk, to have something to bring to the potluck.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 05:48 PM

Fred - In Canada (at least Vancouver) the people next door are probably from a different culture. When its time for a potluck, you bring something you know how to cook and enjoy what your neighborhood has offered as well.

When you are steeped in cultural diversity, you either hide away and hate everyone for being different or you get out and see what you may have to learn from them.

It is important to know your roots (even when they when are far reaching) for personal reasons but for social reasons, its better to share.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 05:53 PM

"remote cultures"? - there's nothing remote about the cultures of the people from various places who share the same streets, shops and schools.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 06:26 PM

Liberal Hater,

O si yo. To hi tsu. Ga-do de-tsa doa. Walking Eagle da qua do a.

Tsa yo si ha s? I da li sda yv hv. Hoe wah? Selu ga du hoe wah.

Ah lee, do na da go hv i ( ook sha n )

W.E.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: kendall
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 06:42 PM

how do these meaningless phrases get started? Tree hugger, another totally worthless name


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 07:22 PM

"Do gooder"


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 07:40 PM

Bush


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Sam L
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:06 PM

Well, what I'm saying is, there is often a condescending and commercial aspect to what passes for P.C. "cultural diversity." And I've met many people who feel somehow that the racism and civil rights abuses of other cultures are not to be judged from an outside point of view. I go ahead and judge them that way. I'm an American and hold these things to be self-evident. I don't care about anybody's culture and beliefs and blah blah blah. I gave away my tickets to dine with the Dalai Lama to the closest person who cared.
   
I never did understand how so many American liberals, especially writers, could sympathize with the Soviet Union, with it's free speech and artistic expression policies. It was a bunch of stupid thugs, no important difference between them, until Gorbachev, in my very intolerant opinion. Has nothing to do with communism per se, it was just a tragic bad deal.

A lesbian friend once explained to me that the spiritual shahman often is a homosexual. Yeah, that's not too different from the western world, but I guess it sounds cooler.

Remote cultures. Yes, the mountain culture nestled right here in the states is still pretty remote from general culture to the extent that it passes for funny to try to ridicule it on Saturday Night Live last month. Which would be okay if it were funny, but it wasn't. The remoteness of very near things generates exploitation of Otherness, and fear in tourist-y literature and other pop-culture garbage. It can be exploited for "interest" and it is. Look at the rap threads. People mostly hate rap for the parody of itself that it quickly turned into, when it became cool to like rap. That's P.C. diversity at work for you.

Sometimes when I'm walking in the black neighborhood where my kids go to school I get scared, because I think Yikes, what if this was a movie?!


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Feb 04 - 10:12 PM

I LIKE bleeding hearts. My grandmother used to grow them and I have also. They're perennial, too!


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Nerd
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 12:39 AM

jerking knee conservatives


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 01:03 AM

Surely you mean, arse licking money grabbing conservatives.
eric


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Nerd
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 01:05 AM

freezing heart conservatives


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Peace
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 01:11 AM

frozen tart preservatives


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Bohdran Killer
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 01:36 AM

Lord preserve us all


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 01:44 AM

O.K Fred - Now I'm really confused. In Canada, PC stands for the Progressive Conservative party. Is there another meaning? Tell me and I will re-read the post.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Sam L
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 02:25 AM

this is tar heel's best thread yet. The first that is so utterly stupid that I think I get it, in my own way. It's brilliantly dumb, like Cezanne trying to put form into impressionism. I think tar heel is a racist, but I prefer that to several liberals around here who absurdly think they totally aren't, and that everything is warm and fuzzy and okay. M.L. King wasn't afraid of the klan, he was afraid of apathetic idiots who don't really know themselves.

    Hillary Clinton's favorite movie was Six Degrees Of Separation, in which a stupid woman smugly finds herself more connected to a clever black con-artist than to the man she married. It's easier, cooler, and stupid. But I still respect her in many ways, like I respect my North Carolina grandfather, who was a plain racist. It's really not that easy not to be a racist, smarter people than you and me were, and the people who are too smug about it are the scariest.

What's easier for and more fun for me, to deal with my insane, cruel brother? Or to learn some African Djembe drummming? Guess.

   No, I take it back!! Liberals are never shallow, stupid, or merely fashionable! Liberalism doesn't generally appeal to young and unformed minds and stupid celebs! Conservatives are all dummies@!

   I can't vote for Bush, and have to vote against him, but I do wish the Dem frontrunner didn't have the exact opposite view of Iraq that I, a self-confessed liberal, have. I was against the war, until the war, but now the only sane thing to do is to go all the way. I don't care if he looks like Herman Munster, what the hell, Gore looked like Herman Munster in drag. But I wish Kerry'd make some sense, somehow.

   I was never emotionally moved by Billy Graham's crisis of faith after Watergate. Because it's so much cooler to be into Black Mountain college, which was a liberal hotbed fromwhch only the most marginal students like Robert Rauschenberg went on to accomplish anything at all. But it went under, and Graham bought it. And I don't admit to respecting Graham, the only Evangelist to make his finances completely public.

In art you always see this new shocking stuff that you get to know, only to find it's the most worn-out cliche'in the world in new clothes. A small step is bigger than a leap. A little bit of real is bigger than a whole lot of crap. A really liberal mind tries to understand the people it doesn't understand. Racist conservatives talk nasty, but in my experience act decently, while limosine liberals drive by and act too smug to be of any real use to anybody, because it's too small for them, too little too late, pointless, shallow, and beneath them to do the little job they can actually do.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Sam L
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 02:56 AM

dianavan, In the U.S. "P.C." stands for "political Correctness" which is a rather coercive kind of liberal orthodoxy. Be a free-thinker! Like all of us! It has a predictable, mechanical aspect, which is easy for conservatives to make fun of, because it's silly, and based on the current sense of what's okay on t.v. sit-coms more than anything else. Offline, once you get to know someone, you can make all sorts of funny rude remrks without giving offense. I love that, but I live in a cave with my kids, and don't get to do it as much as I'd like.
Take the Mel Gibson thing. We have a Jewish friend from Alabama who believes in the shroud of Turin. ( By co-incidence I've met the scientist who first studied the shroud and some Picassos I was interested in.) But she always seemed ambivalent about her faith so we didn't know what to say after she moved away. We settled on "happy Holidays, Christ Killer!" but that turned out wrong. She'd turned Episcopalian on us! We felt pretty awkward about it, then we didn't anymore.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 09:17 AM

Or Personal Computer. Or Police Constable.

A very flexible set of initials, PC.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 10:09 AM

How can someone blame others of a different skin color, religion, nationality, and so on when they can't know each of them? I can only intensely dislike those I know or know of individually. Then I can a) ignore them, b) work to defeat them, or c) if it comes to it, drop a brick them.

Backaways, some Jewish fella said that you'd receive in the same measure you gave. I understand that he came to a bad end, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: Frankham
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 10:40 AM

Any attempt to paint liberals or conservatives in absolute colors
is bound to fail. This thread is so empty of content that it
is like the inside of a balloon without a tie that expells air
and sails through the air with a blubbering sound.

It sounds like Bush talking about WMDS.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 01:19 PM

OK Fred - I think I get the point. Maybe its like a comment I made after being in Canada for about five years. I said that if I were Afro-American I would probably prefer living in Seattle than in Vancouver. My Liberal colleagues were shocked (they think everyone in the States is racist and violent). Because, I said, at least in the States, people are out-front about being racists. In Vancouver, the people are so "polite" that you would never know if they were or weren't. At least in the States you would know your enemy. Besides, in the States, I would have my own culture. An Afro American culture that is very established.

You're right about PC. All you have to do is look at the way Natives are treated to know the truth.

But yes, I do love my multi-cultural neighborhood and workplace. I find diversity interesting. So although there are racists here (not only white racists), there is the will to overcome. People are not so entrenched in their beliefs about one another and through education and national policy, each generation becomes a little more accepting.

d


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Subject: RE: BS: bleeding heart liberals
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 22 Feb 04 - 01:44 PM

Well, today I heard that it's no longer "politically correct" to order black coffee, or write on a blackboard. Instead, you have to drink "coffee without cream" and use a chalkboard. I'm not one to go round screaming racist remarks, but would any black person find a drinks order offensive?


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