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Lyr Req: Third Carol for Christmas Day

Joe Offer 18 Feb 04 - 02:16 AM
Matthew Edwards 18 Feb 04 - 06:19 AM
MartinRyan 18 Feb 04 - 06:56 AM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 19 Feb 04 - 05:05 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Feb 04 - 07:33 AM
MartinRyan 19 Feb 04 - 07:35 AM
GUEST,ClaireBear 19 Feb 04 - 10:39 AM
GUEST 19 Feb 04 - 10:40 AM
MartinRyan 20 Feb 04 - 06:37 PM
GUEST,ClaireBear 20 Feb 04 - 10:19 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 20 Feb 04 - 11:56 PM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 24 Feb 04 - 08:50 AM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 25 Feb 04 - 07:47 AM
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Subject: Third Carol
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 02:16 AM

We haven't found the "Third Carol for Christmas Day" on this request. It's out of season, but can anybody help?
-Joe Offer-

Thread #8182   Message #50193
Posted By: bengray@li.com
19-Dec-98 - 01:02 PM
Thread Name: One I Love
Subject: Help: One i love/Third Carol

Hello,
I am looking for the lyrics (or even music) to two songs; if anyone has them could you contact me?

1. "Third Carol for Christmas Day", recorded by Maighread Ni Dhomhnaill on Windham Hill's album "Celtic Christmas". I think it's traditional.

2. "One, I love" by Karan Casey on her album Songlines. I don't know if it's traditional or not but if you have it....


Thanks a lot, I appreciate this.

Maja Gray

bengray@li.com

One I Love (click)


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 06:19 AM

Joe, I suspect we've already got this under another name, and I hope that Philippa or Martin Ryan will be along shortly to identify it. The CD details here "A Celtic Christmas" Windham Hill don't give any help, but according to Fintan Vallely's book Blooming Meadows "On the first of [the Windham Hill Celtic Christmas recordings], Maighread premiered the Kilmore (Wexford) carol, Third Carol for Christmas Day, in a setting by Donal Lunny."

There are several different carols this could refer to, and without hearing the version on the CD I can't help further. I love her voice and I'd like to hear her sing this.

See alsoIrish Language Wexford Carol and Wexford Carol Lyrics


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 06:56 AM

Without hearing it, I can't be sure which one it might be, of course. I think I have O'Muirithe's book on the carols and will check on that when I get home this evening.

Anyone got a phrase?

Regards


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 05:05 AM

Found the book. The titles don't help much - can anyone have a listen to the track and give me aphrase?

Regards


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 07:33 AM

Of course the sound clips at Amazon of this cd don't cover The Third Carol (track 7).


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: MartinRyan
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 07:35 AM

I saw that! Too much to hope for.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 10:39 AM

I think I have the CD at home. Now if I can just remember to check it tonight when I get there...


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 10:40 AM

There's a breif 30 second clip at this site. Maybe that's enough for one of you to identify the version


http://www.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/0,,219443,00.html


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: MartinRyan
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 06:37 PM

Thanks GUEST - that got it alright!

It's in O'Muirithe as "A Carol for CHristmas Day". There are 28 4-line verses! I presume Maighréad didn't sing them all? I'll scan them in next week some time.

Regards


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Subject: Lyr Add: THIRD CAROL FOR CHRISTMAS DAY
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 10:19 PM

Yes! I did have it at home, and there's a lyrics book -- not 28 verses, but five anyway:

THIRD CAROL FOR CHRISTMAS DAY

Ye sons of men with me rejoice
And praise the heavens with heart and voice
For joyful tidings you we bring
Of this heavenly babe the new born king.

Who from his mighty throne above
Came down to manifest his love
To all such as would him embrace
And would be born again in grace

This mystery for to unfold
When the King of Kings he did behold
The poor unhapy state of man
He sent his own beloved son

An angel sent by heaven's command
To a spotless virgin in the land
One of the seed of David King
Those joyful tidings for to bring

He hailed this virgin full of grace
And told her that in nine months space
She should bring forth a son, and he
The Saviour of Mankind should be

Recorded by Maighread Ni Dhomhnaill and Donal Lunny

CD notes say: Trad., from the singing of Jack Devereux of Kilmore Quay, County Wexford, recorded by Tom Munnelly. Thanks to Rionach Ui Ogain of the Department of Irish Folklore, University College, Dublin.


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Feb 04 - 11:56 PM

The title also can be the first line, "Ye Sons of Men, With Me Rejoice," listed as Irish traditional in "The New Oxford Book of Carols." I haven't the book, so not 100% sure.

Martin Ryan, I would appreciate it if you could scan them in. The verses could be different in any case.


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Subject: Lyr Add: A CAROL FOR CHRISTMAS DAY
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 08:50 AM

Q

I haven't checked the Oxford, but here's O'Muirithe's version:

A CAROL FOR CHRISTMAS DAY

Ye sons of men with me rejoice,
And praise the Heavens with heart and voice,
For joyful tidings you we bring,
Of this Heavenly babe, the new born king.

Who from his mighty throne above,
Came down to magnify his love,
To all such as would him embrace,
And would be born again in grace,

Thy mystery for to unfold,
When the King of Kings he did behold,
The poor unhappy state of man,
He sent his dear beloved Son.

From the brink of hell he set us free,
A greater love could never be,
The son of God to be made man,
And man to be made Gods own Son.

An angel sent by heavens command,
To a spotless virgin in the land,
To one of the seed of Davids King,
These Joyful tidings for to bring.

He healed this virgin, full of grace,
And told Her that in nine months Space
She should bring forth a Son and he,
The Saviour of mankind should be.

When Mary , that most blessed babe,
Heard all the Angels to her said,
She to retirement straight did hye,
The lord to praise and magnify,

She piously with great content,
Each day in contemplation spent,
Until at length the time drew near,
To Bethlehem she did repair.

She friendless ranged up and down,
To find a lodging in the town,
But o! alas that heavenly guest
No pity found in grief oppressed.

She in pain was forced to hye,
Unto a stable that was nigh,
Where of a Son she delivered was
Between an ox and a silly ass.

The spotless mother wife and maid,
No mortal had to lend her aid,
Exposed to want and piercing cold,
The Lord of life you may' behold,

The night of his Nativity,
The people in the Heavens did see,
Strange wonders which did them surprise,
But none the reason could premise,

The learned men thought it to be,
A sign of Caesars' Prosperity,
But some that notion did controul,
And said that Isaac had foretold.

The coming of this heavenly boy,
Who would their oracles destroy,
Their magic cells and temples tear ,
Which afterwards performed were,

As earth with a new son is blessed,
So heaven with a new star is dressed,
The shepherds warned by an angel were
To Bethlehem straight to repair,

The shepherds gladly did obey,
To Bethlehem they take their way,
And as the angel did report,
They found the saviour in that sort,

Within a manger there he lay,
His dress was neither rich nor gay,
In Him you truly there might see,
A patern of humility.


Three eastern kings came forth to see,
This heavenly Babe come from on high,
Directed by a glorious star,
Which they espied from a far,

.Their gifts of gold and precious things
They laid before the king of kings ;
Their homage paid with humble heart,
And joyfully they did depart.

The rumour spread both far and near,
Of the Birth of Christ, Our Saviour dear .
That which king herod came to know,
He strove to work his Overthrow.

An Angel sent down from on high,
Then ordered Joseph for to fly,
To Egypt with mother and child,
And there remain for a while.

But Herod full of wrath and gall,
Commanded that both great and small,
All under two years old should be,
Throughout the land slain Instantly.

Deep lamentations you might hear
By every tender mother dear,
To hear their Infants' sighs and groans,
Their brains dashed out against the stones

This massacre was carried on,
Thinking to murder Gods own Son,
His persecution soon begun,
But his hour was not yet come.

He in the temple did dispute,
And many errors did confute,
He healed the lepres raised the dead,
At his command the devils fled.

For all those great and mighty things
Performed by the king of kings,
To bring us to the light of grace,
They threw dirt in our saviours face.

Let each good christian great and small
Repair unto the oxes stall,
From those three kings example take,
To this sweet Babe your offering make.

Give him your heart the first of all,
Free from all malice, wrath and gall,
And now he's on his throne on high,
He will crown you eternally.


I'll add his notes later.

The odd spelling and capitalisation, incidentally, are not down to my scanning - they're in O'Muirithe's transcription of the original.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Third Carol for Christmas Day
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 07:47 AM

Apart from the last verse, the words are taken from an early 19C. manuscript in the posession of Jack Devereaux.
O'Muirithe makes the following comment:

This carol is not now sung in Kilmore. The leader of the Kilmore carol singers, Mr. Jack Devereaux, tells me that it was formerly sung before the priest came on the altar on Christmas Day and that it was last sung in Kilmore in 1850 when his grandfather sang in the choir for the first time.


Regards


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