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Subject: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,Joe Moran
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 01:22 PM

I've always been amazed how highly Shirley Collins is rated as a singer. I heard a track of her's on Mike Harding this week and , before I knew who it was, I was thinking what an appalling voice she had. Am I alone in thinking this way?
p.s. I saw Shirley many year's ago and thought that she just oozed sex appeal ( I just thought I'd throw that in)
p.p.s. On second thoughts, maybe that's one of the reasons she is/was rated so highly.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Emma B
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 01:50 PM

Is the Pope a Catholic
Sexually, she doesn't do a lot for me but I love to hear her sing. If I could be half as good.................


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 02:42 PM

I've never been impressed with Shirley Collins. Is it another case of the "Emperor's New Clothes" ?


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,Rain Dog
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 03:23 PM

She sings, she sings , she sings.

Do I like it ? Do I like it Do I like it ?

Maybe. Maybe not.

Next.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 03:29 PM

If one is one who likes breathy voices, one probably likes Shirley Collins more than one who doesn't. It's not my cup of tea, but I'd never say she couldn't sing on that basis.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 03:38 PM

I know what you mean about the standard of her singing, I think she's a singer you need to experience live, especially when it was her and sister Dolly. She/they have an air of authenticity which overcomes most of the vocal flaws. Some people just don't come over well on record, Noel Murphy is another, great live, didn't come across on vinyl.
John


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,Phil Cooper
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 03:42 PM

I'm using someone else's computer and it's not accepting my cookie. I like Shirley Collins' singing, but can understand why some people don't. What I liked about her recordings was that she sang the songs straight, without messing with them, even with experimental arrangements. Just bought her 4 cd boxed set and really liked hearing some of those songs again.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: bazza
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 04:03 PM

I think Shirley has a great folk voice,o.k not as polished as some but she can put a song across in a very special way on the traditional sussex songs that no other singer can .


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 04:11 PM

Some people like processed cheese better than real cheese.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 04:12 PM

I strongly agree with Phil Cooper - she sings songs straight and simply, without any over-clever fiddling around. I think she has an exquisite and beautiful voice, and of all English female folk singers comes closest to what I consider the 'real thing', by which I mean that you could really imagine some country girl in the 1790s sounding like that. Not that I would claim that this is the only relevant kind of folk music of course!


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Morticia
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 04:29 PM

just goes to show how subjective this is ( liking a particular voice, I mean).....I don't care for her voice at all and for years wondered if I was the only one....I'm kind of glad it isn't just me.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Lanfranc
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 07:10 PM

Yes, judgements like this are subjective. Subjectively I have always liked Shirley's voice, and respected her integrity as a folk singer. She wouldn't make it in opera, or even in musicals, her voice is far too slight and "breathy", but she can inject more feeling and sincerity into a song than many singers I could name.

Wish I could hear her live again!

Alan


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 07:32 PM

It's not a concert hall or pop stage voice. It's essentially a voice for an ordinary room, where the songs she used to sing really belong. The flattened vowels, the breathy voice, they can cast a spell.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,Rain Dog
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 07:37 PM

This a a subject close to my heart. I do not know the work of Shirley Collins at all but I like this subject of ' feeling and sincerity' that people bring to a song.

Nearly everyone we hear singing is a performer of some kind. Singers sing the same song a number of times. They step up to the mic ( or not as the case may be ) and put on a performance, an act so to speak. We hear the song and are moved by it ( or not ). We probably all have favourite singers who we think have more feeling and sincerity. But is it ?


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: breezy
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 08:16 PM

an acquired ear! like Martin Carthy.
Well not that good.
She sings like she talks, it sounds the same, but the tune is there.
It is her 'sound'
Quintesentially English





is that the way it's spelt

Takes some getting used to.
took her to the pictures in Stoke I did.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Nemesis
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 04:45 AM

Interesting question; a few years ago, when I was beginning formal (classical?) singing training - and being thrown in the deep end with an accapella trio performing Choral arrangements of folk music, my voice was referred as "like Shirley Collins'," with the hasty added rider, "... at her best, of course!"

This, from another student of Tona de Brett's who trained Annie Lennox - who, of course, can "sing" perfectly.

Strictly speaking, I think Shirley, theoretically, can't sing in the classically trained sense of the word ... but, in practice, she has a unique "voice".


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 05:17 AM

If you listen to a lot of Shiley's recordings, you too will hear the depth and beauty in her renditions of REAL folk music, and the beauty and simplicity of Dolly's arrangements.
Still a beautiful woman and singer.
eric


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 07:53 AM

Is this a trick question?


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: harvey andrews
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 09:45 AM

I think the problem isn't with Shirley, but with some of the young female singers who have followed in her wake. The flat, unemotional, little girl voice of these English female singers I find as unappetizing as the over the top, ersatz emotion of the pop divas. There's a middle ground where the voice not only sings the notes but sings the story, adding colour, emphasis and emotion where needed, without exaggeration.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 10:24 AM

Authenticity is where it's at, Harvey has it sussed. As they say.
John


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 10:48 AM

Shirley Collins gave up performing around 20 years ago before the CD era started. Near enough everything that was issued on vinyl has now been put out on CD. Near enough everything she recorded that was not issued at the time has now been put out on CD. Firms don't keep putting out CD's of singers if nobody buys them. Her old vinyl recordings fetch mega prices.
Those who don't like her voice probably have no idea what a real traditional singer should sound like and should be listening to other types of music.
If you like traditional music the answer is "Yes, she can sing"


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 10:50 AM

"The flat, unemotional, little girl voice of these English female singers I find as unappetizing as the over the top, ersatz emotion of the pop divas...", says Harvey

I have a pretty good idea of just who I would lump into both these categories, but surely you don't mean to rubbish *all* who have followed Shirley Collins?

Come on, name names. You surely cannot be including Chris Coe, Maggies Boyle and Holland, Norma and Lal Waterson, June Tabor, Nancy and Sandra Kerr, Frankie Armstong, Peta Webb, Sandy Denny, Eliza Carthy or Fay Hield ?


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: treewind
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 11:01 AM

Don't panic CR, he did say "some of the young female singers who have followed in her wake." (my emphasis)

I can think of some examples. They aren't on your list....

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,Auldtimer
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 11:03 AM

A singer is someone who can "put over" a song in a way that will make you listen. Good, great, fabulous, voices of high musical quality, range, purity and integrity are everywhere but the majority of these voices are cold, featureless and unmemorable. It is easier to get a grip of something with a rough surface that one with a smooth surface so the imperfections and flaws, the twists and turns, the limitations of the singer's breathing and hearing is what your brain gets to grip on. What you like and don't like is something else. As for modern day singers, they all rely far too much on microphones and amplyfiers. They might have great stage pressance and good microphone technique but most of them cannie sing.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 11:10 AM

Anahata: I'm not going to be so cruel as to mention who Harvey might have been getting at.

But I am reminded <sound of wrists being soundly slapped> that I omitted Mary Humphreys from my list (meaning of those who shouldn't be on Harvey's).
    Angle brackets made visible by HTML wizardry.
    -Joe Offer, resident wizard-


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 11:21 AM

Countess Richard: a very tactful list! No, I'm sure those are not the names Harvey was thinking of. I think we can all use our imaginations and guess who he was referring to.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 11:33 AM

A subject best veered away from perhaps, Greg. I added a comment to my last post referring to the sound of wrists being soundly slapped at my unforgivable omission of Mary Humphreys. I now know that Mudcat's html problems extend to an arbitrary absence of taste.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Compton
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 11:35 AM

I'm in the "Shirley Collins CAN sing" camp but like AL Lloyd, Vin Garbutt, Kate Rusby , I am not sure I want to hear two hours of it!!
The again, they might not want to hear two hours of me!!


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: harvey andrews
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 11:50 AM

I chose my words carefully and stick by them.
"some of the young"
No names, no packdrill on this thread.However the Countess's list does seem to be of the over 40's and contains many of my favourites.
Does anyone remember The Watersons single "rubber band"? Lal's song on the B side made my hair stand on end. A masterwork of writing and presentation coming from both the heart and the head.
Maybe there's too much emphasis on the head these days on the degree courses etc and the heart is maybe frowned on by the younger generation as a form of revolt against the diva excesses.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Marje
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 01:08 PM

I'm with those who don't really take to Shirley Collins' singing, and it's quite a relief to me to find I'm not alone. I know she's a lovely person and has done so much for folk music, but on recordings, there's a sort of girly coyness and self-consciousness about her singing that(for me) gets in the way of the song and its meaning. It doesn't come across as particularly "authentic" to me, just a bit dull and expressionless. If it helps others to enjoy the songs, that's fine, but I'm afraid it doesn't do it for me at all. I prefer to listen to a gutsier voice such as Norma Waterson or Maddy Prior.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 01:39 PM

Well to draw a bow at a venture as they say. I never liked Joan Baez's voice, too stagey to unemotional. However it's now nearly 40 years since I first heard her sing on a folk festival at Newport vinyl album, and she's now an elder statesperson of folk, and I'm still listening to albums with no chance of making one. What does that say about me?? [Be gentle!]
John


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 07 Feb 04 - 03:13 PM

Singers starting out are influenced by who they hear. When I first heard Shirley sing, it reminded me of children singing at primary school. I was already singing in my secondary school choir, and was probably most influenced by Sandy Denny. I also admired June Tabor and Chris Coe, and was thinking however hard I tried I'd never sound like either of them, so probably shouldn't try.

The best compliment I ever got paid about my singing was that it calmed an autistic child. But if you do a Google search on Kitty Vernon you'll find the Living Tradition review that says I'm not a folksinger.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Teresa
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 01:36 AM

Well, as to whether she can sing, that's subjective, and I respect that. However ...

What Guest Auldtimer so beautifully said above.

Teresa


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: mooman
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 07:14 AM

Having seen her perform many times, I'd say this is a another of those very subjective questions that have an unfortunate habit of cropping up here.

She can sing very well, did the best version of "Reynardine" I ever heard and is a jolly nice person to boot (even remembered chatting to me from a gig some five years earlier).

All IMHO of course.

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: breezy
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:34 AM

Kitty Vernon is a fine singer and performer of Folk and other songs

She is a highlight of a visit to the Herga Folk club

If she is not there I always feel cheated.

I will book her to sing at my club[s]

I did but she's off to a middle bar thingy so I'll have to sort out another date.

She is the biz for me.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 12:55 PM

Shirley is more authentically a folk singer than anyone else mentioned in this thread so far.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 01:23 PM

She is wonderful in a small folk club with no amplification.

I am not her greatest fan but I do like her a lot. And she really is a lovely person.

Dave
www.collectorsfolk.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Jeanie
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 01:58 PM

The ability to "live" a song and become the character telling the story is, to me, what makes a singer of whatever style of music. I reckon the people mentioned above have that quality in abundance.

After that, I think it must be all down to personal taste. I have always preferred the more 'gutsy', powerful, alto voices as opposed to the 'girlie' soprano ones, which to my ears can often sound a bit on the thin, nasal side.

Nobody has mentioned Toni Arthur yet - she always sounded superb to me.

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Nerd
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 02:09 PM

Uh, GUEST of 07 Feb 04 - 10:48 AM:

I can think of two flaws to your statement that

"Firms don't keep putting out CD's of singers if nobody buys them" answers the question of "can she sing?" First of all, many people buy CDs of people who I think can't sing.   Secondly, even I buy CDs of people who's singing I don't like that much, and Shirley is an example. I find her singing pretty bland, but she has collected and presented some stellar songs, and the arrangements are often interesting. So I've bought most of her CDs, despite not liking her singing much.

I would also dispute your statement that "those who don't like her voice probably have no idea what a real traditional singer should sound like and should be listening to other types of music." In general I would rather listen to many field recordings of real traditional singers than to Shirley Collins. There are many people who know precisely what real traditional singing "should" (or more accurately, does) sound like, who still would not like Shirley's singing.

Shirley is not really a traditional singer, as the many photos of her with a Pete Seeger banjo, or with Davy Graham or the Albion Band, will confirm. She has connections to the tradition, as do other revivalists, but in the end she's no more a traditional singer than the others.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Noreen
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 02:18 PM

countess richard: I now know that Mudcat's html problems extend to an arbitrary absence of taste.
You didn't actually use any HTML, but surrounded your comment in triangular brackets, which will be ignored as HTML is expected.

And to answer the question- SC can sing, but I don't particularly like her style.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 02:51 PM

Ah, Noreen, are you one of those clones? Maybe when you have time you could pm me with instructions on how to make text editing work properly in these boxes? Sometimes it does for me but often it doesn't .


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 02:54 PM

"rather listen to many field recordings of real traditional singers"

But surely, all you are hearing in field recordings is a snapshot of one or two people singing at a given time, as authentic a snapshot as any recording from today really. What qualifies that recording of that particular person to be labelled "real"? We have no idea how songs were sung before recording and I'm sure some singers acted them, some projected them, some droned them and some sang them reflectively. The notes are not written down as in opera, the singers are not trained to sing in a particular way.As a lad I heard all sorts of songs performed in all sorts of styles at the family do's I went to. It seems to me we cannot say anyone is more a "traditional" singer than any other. It's just what is fashionable at the time. Otherwise the songs are museum pieces and the folk process is over, and the singers are just the same as people who belong to history re-enactment groups.
There is no right way, and we come back again to what each person or historical period or generation, likes.
We cannot claim there is a folk process and then also claim that evrything is set in stone. It's a contradiction. Surely?


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: GUEST,Joe Moran(UK)
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 02:58 PM

One of the problems with Shirley - for me, is that would never play a recording of hers to a non-folkie in fear that they would break up laughing, AND, if that happened, I wouldn't be prepared to jump to her defence. Now if I played Tommy Jarrell, and they laughed, I'd order them out of the house!!!


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 03:02 PM

"Otherwise the songs are museum pieces and the folk process is over, and the singers are just the same as people who belong to history re-enactment groups".

If only those who advocate this ludicrous appraoch would just go away and join the Sealed Knot...


Noreen: like I wanted the above quote put into italics but it won't bloody well work...help!


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Nerd
Date: 08 Feb 04 - 03:39 PM

GUEST of 2:54 PM,

GUEST of 10:48 AM yesterday introduced the concept of "real" traditional singers, and I was using it in the sense that I thought s/he meant it in.

To answer your question, I think "old-style traditional singing" is becoming rarer and rarer, and what we usually call "the revival" has essentially eaten what we usually call "the tradition." What I mean is that the aesthetic of folks like Walter Pardon is rare today, and people who like similar songs are much much more likely to sing in a revival context with revival aesthetics. I don't object to labelling the revival context a continuation of the tradition, but we should realize that some different aesthetic principles are involved. In other words, you can say that the revival IS today's tradition, but that doesn't mean it is the same aesthetically as Walter Pardon's tradition. You're quite right that WP's aesthetic may be quite different to what was fashionable 100 yrs before that, although the surviving documents like the Copper Family's book suggest that aesthetic change went slower in the 19th century.

GUEST of 10:48 AM yesterday (maybe you're the same GUEST?) said that if we did not like Shirley Collins we did not know what a "real" traditional singer should sound like. I assumed when s/he introduced the concept of "real" s/he was referring to some of the old-style traditional singers, whom as I said I often prefer to Shirley. Thus my answer above.

If s/he was instead referring to the folk revival, I would argue that Shirley is not by and large representative of that crowd either; she is neither typical of the older tradition nor of the newer tradition. Given this, what a singer "should" sound like is irrelevant. If you like Sandy Denny and Anne Briggs and Norma Waterson but don't like Shirley Collins, you know as well as the Shirley Collins fan what a folk revival (or "new-style traditional") singer "should" sound like. It's really just down to taste, and there's no "should" about it. Nor is it kind to tell people they ought to listen to some other style of music just because they don't like yesterday's GUEST's favorite singer.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 03:53 AM

What a big question!!

IMO opinion, Shirley can sing and her voice is delightful. I would say though, that it took me quite a long time before I appreciated voice. Essentially her voice is natural and certainly untrained. Her voice is often described as "willowy" which seems apt and I think perfectly suited for much of the material she chose to sing.
At the end of the day liking or disliking a voice is a very subjective matter.
I'm sure there are many people who still say Bob Dylan cannot sing and you could probably add Robin Williamson, Sam Larner, Tom Waits, Walter Pardon, Norma Waterson, Leon Rosselson and many others to such a list. However for me, all these add to the rich tapestry of music that we all love and all have a place in my collection. Personally I do not like operatic voices finding them too studied and formal, but I would never argue that Caruso cannot sing. It's just that I dont like his style.
To return to the original message in the thread, Seeing as Shirley was in there at the beginning of the folk revival and has been cited as an influence on other singers from then till now, its a little too late to be saying "Emporers new clothes"

LL


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 05:59 AM

Norma Waterson can't sing????????????

Err...where are you coming from?


Increase the medication is my advice!! :-)


Dave
www.collectorsfolk.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 06:18 AM

And another pill for Walter Pardon, and Robin Williamson.

I'd agree Dylan, Tom Waits and Leon Rosselson are not great technical singers - but they sure more than compensate for that in composition, content and presentation.


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 07:25 AM

Sorry for any possible misunderstanding.
The comments about Dylan, Norma, et al are NOT my personal opinion, but they are opinions I have heard voiced by others (who should know better)

LL


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Subject: RE: Shirley Collins - can she sing?
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Feb 04 - 07:35 AM

Countess Richard, if you go to the FAQ, I think there is basic html there but italics are made by using the triangle bracket, an i, then close it with the other triangle ( what are those little suckers called?) and then to end the italics, the same with /i.....if you want bold, substitute b, colour, subsitute the colour number from a html chart and so on.

Re: Shirley Collins, it is interesting the way so many have so got defensive over what is purely, IMO, personal taste.I can't stand Celine Dion or Brocolli Spears but apparently millions would disagree with me, that doesn't make them right or me wrong.....it's purely subjective.


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