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A Message for Gargoyle

Walking Eagle 18 Feb 04 - 04:23 PM
Chief Chaos 18 Feb 04 - 02:42 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 18 Feb 04 - 12:14 AM
M.Ted 10 Jan 04 - 11:49 AM
Peg 09 Jan 04 - 06:03 PM
Steve in Idaho 09 Jan 04 - 03:27 PM
Lonesome EJ 09 Jan 04 - 02:36 PM
Cluin 09 Jan 04 - 01:50 PM
M.Ted 09 Jan 04 - 01:45 PM
Lonesome EJ 09 Jan 04 - 01:44 PM
Amos 09 Jan 04 - 09:12 AM
mooman 09 Jan 04 - 04:49 AM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 11:33 PM
Metchosin 08 Jan 04 - 11:23 PM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 11:04 PM
Bill D 08 Jan 04 - 10:11 PM
Metchosin 08 Jan 04 - 09:34 PM
Ebbie 08 Jan 04 - 09:17 PM
InOBU 08 Jan 04 - 07:20 PM
Justa Picker 08 Jan 04 - 06:04 PM
TheBigPinkLad 08 Jan 04 - 05:48 PM
GUEST 08 Jan 04 - 04:00 PM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 02:19 PM
Peg 08 Jan 04 - 01:50 PM
harpgirl 08 Jan 04 - 01:49 PM
Bardford 08 Jan 04 - 01:27 PM
Bill D 08 Jan 04 - 01:08 PM
GUEST,furret 08 Jan 04 - 12:47 PM
GUEST,ClaireBear 08 Jan 04 - 12:25 PM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 12:12 PM
Peg 08 Jan 04 - 12:03 PM
Jeri 08 Jan 04 - 11:26 AM
Metchosin 08 Jan 04 - 11:19 AM
Peg 08 Jan 04 - 10:30 AM
Amos 08 Jan 04 - 08:51 AM
Lonesome EJ 08 Jan 04 - 01:04 AM
Wolfgang 07 Jan 04 - 02:41 PM
rangeroger 01 Jan 04 - 02:51 PM
Ebbie 01 Jan 04 - 01:29 PM
GUEST,Mudcat Old Maid 01 Jan 04 - 12:55 PM
GUEST,Wolfgang 01 Jan 04 - 10:03 AM
Kim C 31 Dec 03 - 05:13 PM
GUEST 31 Dec 03 - 04:38 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 31 Dec 03 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,Frank 31 Dec 03 - 04:16 PM
Rustic Rebel 30 Dec 03 - 07:10 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 30 Dec 03 - 11:11 AM
Bill D 30 Dec 03 - 11:09 AM
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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 04:23 PM

I 'spose I'd rather someone let fly here than to take an AK47 and blow away a few innocents. We know how to take it. {{{{{{{Garg}}}}} and smooches too!

But thankee very much, I'm not in need of any help.

The eagle that walks


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 02:42 PM

Although I tend to get heated about someone flaming me, I mean that Whongo the Whimp stuff was really childish, i just remember that there is no-one in the world that make me feel anything with something they have said. It is your own reaction to the words regardless of the actual words. Take a deep breath and keep on scrolling. You've all been very kind to me. I try to make up for the kindness by taking a few minutes to look over my posts and make sure I don't insult anyone offhandedly (is that a word?). I put a lot of work into the product (misspellings don't count LOL) to make it as pleasant as possible to read.

To the victims of virulent attacks, it ain't you, don't feel bad.
He's only pushing himself away from a really nice bunch of folks.
In some ways I pity him. Boy won't that piss him off!


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 12:14 AM

johnfromhull@kitv.co.uk


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: M.Ted
Date: 10 Jan 04 - 11:49 AM

Check the site--it is very interesting--written with humor, from the "So you think you can hack it as cabbie" perspective--it changes considerably when seen in context--and of course, the picture of the author helps you to understand his perspective even better--


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Peg
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 06:03 PM

if it was actually written by a cab driver, that Is the irony. but it was presented on this forum as being written by someone who wasinsulting cab drivers; there is a difference...


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 03:27 PM

"and only a real nuisance when he downspouts on our heads"

And then only if we let him -

Steve


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 02:36 PM

Interesting that Gargoyle channelled that cab driver piece from what is a fairly obscure site buried in the Net. It's as if he is a creature spawned out of this electronic artifice, perched somewhere on a parapet of this construction and spewing out it's contents for us. A small and rather grotesque devil who both repels and fascinates. Maybe in some sense he follows in the stony footsteps of his medieval predecessors, a figure less of fear than of curiosity, designed to keep the real Demons at bay, and only a real nuisance when he downspouts on our heads.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Cluin
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 01:50 PM

Aw, I like gargoyle. He's like a St. Bernard puppy: he's cute and goofy and sometimes he pees on the carpet.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 01:45 PM

One hopes that the fact that Ken Wainio *is* a cab driver, and that the piece quoted above came from a forum run by and for cab drivers has not been overlooked--Some of you people need to have Kevin explain the meaning of the word "irony"--

Why have you singled out Gargoyle as an example of Bad Behaviour? If you want to discuss posters who express rudeness, stupidity, shortsightedness, bigotry, malice, and other sorts of ill-will, there are others more worthy of the honor than Gargoyle--


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 01:44 PM

woops. Reckon I WAS took in on that one.

The Defense rests.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 09:12 AM

Mooman:

Amazing!! Wodda find!! I love that page!!


A


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: mooman
Date: 09 Jan 04 - 04:49 AM

Picture of

Ken Wainio (no. 28) here for anyone interested!

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:33 PM

Right! I just assumed his assumption about the authorship, and I am grateful the deceit has been uncovered by Bardford's diligence.

A


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Metchosin
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:23 PM

In case my post wasn't clear Amos, I wasn't disappointed by LEJ, that LEJ recognizes good prose has always been a given.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:04 PM

LEJ has always been a poster of integrity so I figgered he was a reliable reference when he posted the thing saying GG posted it, and not pausing to think he was likewaise took in.

A


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 10:11 PM

I can't see how anyone really thought that gg wrote that, after reading 20-30 of his posts.

None of the words were teeny little things in yellow.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Metchosin
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 09:34 PM

I'm disappointed too Amos.....well the least I can say is, he had the ability to recognize good prose.*BG*


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 09:17 PM

I suspect gg's response to our discovering he didn't write the piece he posted would/will be similar to Jayson Blair's after the New York Times belatedly discovered he had faked or plagiarized a great many of his stories: "I fooled some of the most brilliant people in journalism".


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: InOBU
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 07:20 PM

Ya gotta love that Garg hasn't bothered to say a word about all this... Cheers Larry


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Justa Picker
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 06:04 PM

"We all will stand before Our Lord God Almighty"

...provided that we never make contact and establish relations with extra-terrestials. THAT, would kind of throw the theory of creation and God (both in the biblical sense) on their asses' end, now wouldn't it?


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 05:48 PM

If God is truly omnipotent he could easily be one and the same with Gargoyle. Quite a few people in deep shit then, hey?


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 04:00 PM

I don't think I'd let him help my Mother cross the street..

My prayer is that he does not even know my Mother.

We all will stand before Our Lord God Almighty and answer for our earthly deeds. I've enough of my own to account for - I pray He is a just and forgiving God.

I forgive you Gargoyle -

Norton1


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 02:19 PM

Aw, hell -- how disappointing!! I'm pretty sure Ken Wanio and Garg are NOT the same people. What a waste of perfectrly good naivete!! :>) I'm disappointed in ya, Garg!

A


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Peg
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 01:50 PM

I don't have a problem with any   artist expressing misanthropy, per se. But just knowing Gargoyle's propensity for lobbing insults, often stereotypical ones, it's disturbing to read this.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: harpgirl
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 01:49 PM

but who is Ken Wanio, really?


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Bardford
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 01:27 PM

The thing is, Gargoyle didn't write that cab piece. Unless his real world name is Ken Wanio. I ran a search "Cab drivers are scumbags" :
Google search


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 01:08 PM

our own Gingham dog and Calico cat.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: GUEST,furret
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 12:47 PM

Doesn't sound unlike John from Hull to me.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 12:25 PM

As Shakespeare saw fit to put a misanthrope in each of his comedies, mightn't it befit us to make a place for one in ours? We may not understand its function, indeed we may dislike its function, but perhaps the overall piece would be lessened by its absence.

Claire


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 12:12 PM

Peg:

PErhaps it was an exaltation, at street level; as for whether anyone else has an experience of (x) or not, it is not a primary concern of some artists, compared tot he importance of capturing the magic of one's awareness in some form.   It sounds vivid enough to imply that Garg has been drivent odriving at some point, or else lived wiht someone who has. Who knows? Ya gotta take the piece on its own merits, I would think, which are considerable, warts of misanthropy and all.

A


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Peg
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 12:03 PM

an exceptional piece of prose? perhaps, but the misanthropy it communicates is offensive. I mean, most of us have probably had ample experience of cabdrivers. Who is Gargoyle to stereotype someone in this line of work?


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:26 AM

I rather liked the bit LEJ found and posted. If you're gonna be nasty, doing it creatively is much more fun for the rest of us than one-liners.

I sorta think he's obnoxious most of the time. Sometimes, it seems like he puts too much effort into proving it. He often goes over the line, but I wonder if it's intentional or he's incapable of figuring out where that line IS. I laugh at his funny stuff, I thank him for sharing useful information, and the rest is just turdage, lingering a moment before the whirlpool current sucks them under and they wave a 2-ply 'bye-bye' before disappearing from the bowl of my conciousness.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Metchosin
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 11:19 AM

I hope he wasn't Peg, that is, IMO, an exceptional piece of prose.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Peg
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 10:30 AM

EJ; are you being ironic with your last statement? I certainly hope so.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 08:51 AM

Wow, LEJ -- thanks for uncovering that one!!

I like the old fart, myself, except when his meds are off.

A


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 08 Jan 04 - 01:04 AM

Back in 99, gargoyle wrote the following

"Anyway.


Cab drivers are scum bags. They lust only for whores and gambling. They like to fight. They like to kick jerks out of their cab. They are jerks. They're not nice to women and children, even if they are women and children. Arty types don't make the grade. They're sheep in cab driver clothing. A real cab driver is a full time son of a bitch. He may or may not know how to speak English, but you can bet he's a talking asshole in any language. The son of a bitches will never grow up. They don't want real jobs. They're eternal boys, which is to say your average American fellah, except they do it for a living.


Cabbies take the worse shit a man can take and get paid for it. Mercenary killers are higher on the ladder. So are whores when it comes to selling your ass. A cabby is a legal criminal. Something like a lawyer, same branch of pedestrianism. Know what they call a cabby without a hangover? A nonsequitur. No such animal. You'd fit in there pretty well. Drugs too. You gotta take lots of drugs to be a cabby. But know how to handle them. Combine them like an alchemist. The best cabbies can shoot a goofball in their neck going sixty in heavy traffic and the passengers won't even notice. You'd do alright there too.


Where was I?

Oh, yeah. The most important part - and I don't know if you fill the bill here. We'll see - a cabby's gotta know how to push a hack. If you can't pass a hack through the eye of a needle, you ain't no cabby. The cab's gotta be an integral part of you. It has to fit like a glove, hang like a genital, bounce like a tit, shit like an eagle, fly like a demon, burrow through the city like a rat in a garbage heap and come out shining. You gotta be able to sneak up on a fare like a pickpocket. You gotta squeeze through double parked cars like toothpaste. There can't be more than the distance between the hem of a whore's skirt and her snatch between you and sleepwalking pedestrians. You gotta have nerves of steel and the patience of a toad. Otherwise you'll crack up. You'll get fired or end up in a fireball on the freeway. Cab driving is magic and you gotta master the automatic pilot. If you're the type of pedestrian who bumps into other people on the street, probably you won't make a cabby."

When he's a being his nasty bastard racist personna, he's detestable. Then, suddenly, like a rose sprouting from a heap of horse dung, he'll sprout a post like the one above. Go figure.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 02:41 PM

Sorry, rangerover, for not checking back here in this thread. I see your question just now.

It is a citation from Goethe's 'Faust', Mephistopheles speaking

'now and then I (even) like to see the old fellow'

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: rangeroger
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 02:51 PM

Wolfgang,

"Occasionally seh I the old person gladly" ??

rr


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 01:29 PM

Welcome back, gg. (I think.)


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: GUEST,Mudcat Old Maid
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 12:55 PM

"Niceness is not a virtue worthy of sainthood, and it most certainly has an extemely negative dark side..."



WRONG AGAIN, LOOPIE ROCKS...

Old Maid from Mudcat


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 10:03 AM

Von Zeit zu Zeit seh ich den Alten gern

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 05:13 PM

Spaw, you are just a softie in an asshole outfit. ;-) You can't fool me.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 04:38 PM

Yelling fire in the theatre can actually kill someone. Slagging off someone on the internet won't exactly have the same effect.

Nor does exchanging the routine sorts of nasties with family, friends, neighbors, strangers, and work colleagues who don't fit the above categories.

Conflict is inevitable. Those who are in denial about that fact make life a living hell for the rest of us mere mortals.

I have never understood those who insist on imposing their "niceness" values on others, and demonizing everyone who doesn't share those values. Niceness is not a virtue worthy of sainthood, and it most certainly has an extemely negative dark side.


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 04:29 PM

Hey, Frank:

We seem to be crossing paths these days. I generally approve of everyone expressing their opinion in here, but I have a problem with people who are intentionally cruel in their comments, who hurt people.
Kinda like yelling "Fire" in a movie theater... some kinds of free speech come at too high a price for me to welcome.

And, the odd thing about people who say cruel things that hurt others: when the other person is hurt, they end up being blamed for being "too sensitive" or not having a sense of humor.

Sometimes, you can't win for losing..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 04:16 PM

I think that it's OK for people to speak reprehensibly on this forum.
The worse they speak of others, the less weight one can attach to the
force of their argument. Fact and logic speak for themselves.

Frank


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:10 PM

Gargoyle,
I think you have a dry sense of humor. I like your humor. You have never gotten on my ass about anything that I recall, and if you ever do, I can handle it without a problem because I would not take it too serious. That's my take on you Garg. You are a funny man.
Now how are you handling all of this attention?
Rustic


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 11:11 AM

Wanda Gag is not only a successful children's book author, it's also a question..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 11:09 AM

"...it does take all types......"

nope...'all types' is what we get, 'it', as in a meaningful forum, does not require some of the types we get...


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: GUEST,KB
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:25 AM

I've always liked Gargoyle. He is a great antidote to some of the more prissy and gushy types. And it does take all types......


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Subject: RE: A Message for Gargoyle
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:36 AM

Shambles, that thread is NOT closed and people are still posting in it.

~S~

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