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Bobert 24 Nov 03 - 03:15 PM
Amos 24 Nov 03 - 03:18 PM
GUEST,pdc 24 Nov 03 - 03:20 PM
Bobert 24 Nov 03 - 03:22 PM
Bobert 24 Nov 03 - 03:24 PM
Jim Dixon 24 Nov 03 - 04:18 PM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Nov 03 - 04:39 PM
Burke 24 Nov 03 - 08:32 PM
GUEST,pdc 24 Nov 03 - 08:35 PM
Bobert 24 Nov 03 - 08:58 PM
GUEST,pdc 24 Nov 03 - 09:03 PM
SINSULL 24 Nov 03 - 09:19 PM
Bobert 24 Nov 03 - 09:57 PM
TIA 24 Nov 03 - 10:21 PM
Amos 24 Nov 03 - 10:50 PM
The Fooles Troupe 25 Nov 03 - 05:20 PM
GUEST 25 Nov 03 - 06:58 PM
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Subject: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 03:15 PM

Well, danged, here I read in todays Washington Post an article entitled "Student Group Lists Professors It Considers Too Politicized" about a campus organization at University of Texas that goes by the name of "Young Conservatives of Texas". Well, seems their beef is with professors that don't parrot the Bush administrations PR sound bites. Yeah, they've started a blacklist and have a web site www.yct.org of professors who dare, ahhh, to share alterentive opinions.

One of the professors, Penne Restad, has been merked for supposedly teaching about slavery.... Hmmmmm?

Okay, so I've got an idea!... What if we could just write a history book for Bubba, since he apparently feels uncomfy with the current totally revised and sanitized version that is taugt. Yeah, this could be fun and maybe Bubba would be less angry...

Okay I'll start it....

Unless some one gets back here before me...


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Amos
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 03:18 PM

Once upon a time, long long ago, a caveman named Bush Wun discovered fire, and the wheel...


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 03:20 PM

Bobert, do you have a link for the first post?


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 03:22 PM

1619, a red letter year

1619 was imporatnt fro two reasons. First, it was the year that the first women were brought to the colonies full on anticipation of one day acheiving second class citizenship and having the govenrment make medical decisons for them. But, knowing the God had first created man they u8nderstood this was thew best they could ever hope for.

But just as impotant, 1619 was the year that the colored people in Africa voted in favor of having their families ripped apart so that they would have the opportunity to live and work in New World. They were so excited that they packed ship after ship and headed off to a new and exciting life working for the benevolent plantation owners in the southern region of the New World...




----------------------Test on Tuesday-----------------------------


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 03:24 PM

GUEST, pdc

Nope, but it is one page A-3 of todays Washington Post and someone with yer pudder smarts can snag it in a heartbeat... It's a purdy danged scarey article...

Ahhh, I'm expecting you to throw in a chapter ot two...

This can be fun, if noone takes it too seriously...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 04:18 PM

Here's the article at the Washington Post:
Student Group Lists Professors It Considers Too Politicized


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 04:39 PM

I note that what freaked them out was a professor who pointed out that, taking account of the classical definition of "terrorism" as "the threat of force against civilians to achieve political goals", there were US activities in such places as Vietnam and Nicaragua which fell within this definition

And surely noone could disagree with that. I mean, some might argue that, in the historical circumstances, there was justification for the terrorism, but that is another matter entirely - and one which does not enter into the definition of terrorism. (For, after all, that is a claim which is commonly made by organisations carrying out terrorist actions.)


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Burke
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 08:32 PM

University of Texas Professor Watch List


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 08:35 PM

Thanks, Jim Dixon. I always have problems getting the Washington Post online.


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 08:58 PM

Yo, PDC, if you don't write Bubba's version of the Civil War, I will. But I think yer up to the task... I mean, danged... We've ceetainly heard enough revisionist stories about folks on the left, it's time to just frame their issues in such simplistic ways.... I'm commin' back here later and gonna tell the Civil War story... You know about how them carpet baggin' intellectual Yankees been messin' wid us ever since... I say, "Don't Mess with Texas"!

Ahhhh, come on PDC... Yer up to it.... Let 'er rip...

Bobert

Amos,

You gonna have to get jus' a tad beyond the Flintstones if yer gonna get Bubba up to speed here....

Awwww, nevermind.....

You all don't know how to have no fun...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 09:03 PM

This may be the first mixed-media post on Mudcat. I'm writing text, but that noise you can hear in the background is my husband, bouncing off the walls, saying things like, "McCarthyism never really went away, did it?" and so forth.
The link from Burke, above, gives the "Professor Watch List" from the University of Texas Young Conservatives.
It is, without a doubt, the most bleak, arrogant, condescending document ever written by students, and that's saying something, as the young often think they have all the answers to everything.

("Nazis!! Whatever happened to academic freedom?" Hush, dear, I'm trying to post.)

The one aspect of this piece of garbage that makes me smile is that they quote "fair and balanced" in their text. I wonder where they get their ideas?

If a professor cannot teach his/her course on the basis of absolute academic freedom, that university is no longer a place of learning. No one forces a student to take a professor's course; no one forces a student to blindly follow what a professor teaches. But the minute you start tying ideology to teaching -- at any level -- you have lost a very, very important freedom, i.e. the freedom to think. What follows that?

And Bobert, I have a great sense of humour, dagnab it. I just don't think this is funny. Try me in about 20 years...


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 09:19 PM

SAMPLE:

Apparently, the author never reads a newspaper or visits Mudcat.

Black Lists are scary. This one, however, is not likely to change any thinking student's mind about taking a course.


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 09:57 PM

Okay, PDC, yer off the hook! Had to pull the "spose is havin' a caniption" excuse but yer off the hook...

Yeah, it is scarey when a bench of kids who don't know jack about jack can scare their teachers.... Yeah, it is McCartheyism and its based on fear and toal ignorance. And makin' fun of just how unenlightened people are is, ahhh, wrong. And me thinkin' that we could have some fun here with unenlightened people is, ahhhh, wrong.

So I'm not going to do my Bubba's "Civil War" thing here in this thread but it will emerge in another thread at a more appropriate time....

Yeah, these is some purdy scarey times with such a radical right winged minority has the majority coraled and wonderin' if America can survive these evil, twisted, anti-human facist pigs...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: TIA
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 10:21 PM

So, these little snot-nose jackasses disapproveof those "who push an ideological viewpoint...through oftentimes subtle but sometimes abrasive methods of indoctrination". But they promote those who provide an "intellectually honest classroom or teach a subject we feel is important to higher education but is oftentimes downplayed, shunned or forgotten about by largely liberal campuses".

Their intellectual honesty wouldn't fill a thimble. Their gullibility to Limbaughian propaganda outweighs the known universe.

Shitheads.

There's my fair and balanced analysis.


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Amos
Date: 24 Nov 03 - 10:50 PM

The great tragedy is that they do not even know with any breadth or depth the issues and conclusions they are using to defend themselves against open enquiry. Little prophylactic heads....


A


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 05:20 PM

Ya know Amos, you can buy in joke shops "full body condoms" that are about 18" to 2 ft wide - they go on over the head and down to the knees... while wearing one of those, one is protected from all external influences, including fresh air - wearing one too for long tends towards brain failure... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 06:58 PM

Their intellectual honesty wouldn't fill a thimble. Their gullibility to Limbaughian propaganda outweighs the known universe.

Shitheads.

There's my fair and balanced analysis.


If only this was a description of a few juvenile assholes instead of most NeoCons & their Limbaughian Coulterian talking heads at large..


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 07:05 PM

Again, "Guest" is me. Cookie reset now.


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 10:19 PM

Being a bit long in the tooth I can recall similar lists from the liberal side at Berkeley, Harvard, et al. only they weren't as polite as the Texas group. I suspect most colleges have some form of Instructor rating site, and further suspect that Texas may even have a liberal watch list. (Not that anyone here would be interested in finding one - it would defeat the emotion of the moment).

It is of some interest that the professors they rate high, they do so because the teachers apparently hide their biases, and not because they espouse any concervative viewpoints.

Certainly not the case here...


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 10:51 PM

Claymore, those students are preaching the party line, with their minds closed to any ideas that are not disseminated by the conservative American right. Consider that we are discussing Texas. Consider that students shouldn't have their minds closed, but opened in a university.


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 11:03 PM

Yeah, Claymore, my friend... I think if you checked out these folks you'd go, "Okay, maybe they are a tad over the top".

They want people *shut up* and/or booted out. This is beyond a student rating system. This is a form of censorship. Yeah, one can argue that these folks don't toe the company line but I'd argue that the American college kids is subjected to 99% company line and if someone dares to present information with a different twist, then thats what higher education is all about.

Heck, if all these kids had to do was memorize a few bumber stickers then college would be a piece of cake. Wasn't that way in my time and it shouldn't be in theirs...

The mind is like a parachute... Ain't worth a danged if it ain't open...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Dickey
Date: 20 May 07 - 02:59 AM

I saw something interesting today on Democracy Now. It was a documantary based on a book called Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman.

It claims that big newspapers like the NYT and Washington Post shapes public opinion they way they want as per the corporations that advertize and support the paper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_Noam_Chomsky_and_the_Media

I am under the impression that Amos (who will stoop to the blog level to dig up left wing trash to support his feverish expose of Bush), Bobert (who is particularly spelbound by the Washington Post) and others here belive that government is run by corporations and newspapers like the NYT and Wapo are the only thing exposing what the government is doing and keeping it in check.

So which way is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 20 May 07 - 08:43 AM

GUEST,pdc told us, in relevant part:

No one forces a student to take a professor's course;

Au contraire, mon frere! Many's the course that's mandatory and can't be avoided. (Except, perhaps, by abandoning a major. And quite often not even then.)

The second part of your semicoloned sentence is right, though, that no-one forces a student to blindly follow what a professor teaches.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 May 07 - 09:00 AM

"believe that government is run by corporations"

well, you see it doesn't really matter what anybody "believes", or whether in fact that is what is happening at all anyway, but if the Govt ACTS as if that is happening, that is what far off history may remember...


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 May 07 - 06:50 PM

Like, maybe, William Randolph Hearst didn't have anything at all to do with the Spanish-American War?


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Murray on Saltspring
Date: 20 May 07 - 09:41 PM

Where can one find that list??


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 21 May 07 - 02:47 AM

Murray

Check the post dates. That list is about 4 years old now.

There are much more recent idiocies worth discussing now.


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 May 07 - 05:27 AM

I dispute that John - they're mostly the same ones in different dresses...


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Amos
Date: 21 May 07 - 10:07 AM

Dickey:

I don't "stoop" anywhere. I report views about the Bush administration. I hope you like fish. Perch, and rotate.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 May 07 - 03:11 PM

Gee, people didn't take things so seriously when I went to the University of Texas.
I was getting a Master's but some one checked my past records and found that I never had taken a course in American history and government, a high school course necessary to get any degree at Texas.
When we were assigned an instructor, we checked his record, and found that he was an ultra-leftie. Regardless of political stripe, we biased our essays in that direction. No action committees, no pickets, no letter-writing- for a course that meant nothing to our field of study, we bent with the wind and pressed on.

(I had gone to school in New Mexico, where at the time a course in New Mexico history was sufficient.)


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Scoville
Date: 21 May 07 - 04:03 PM

Damn--too bad I'm not enrolled at UT. I'd take classes from all of them.

Of course, any responsible professor ought to be able to separate his own biases from a student's ability to think. My right-winger government teacher in high school--yes, I'm from Texas--made me read a Rush Limbaugh book and do a report. I disagreed with everything in it and said so in the report. I'm sure he thought I was a complete freak, but he gave me an A and said, "Thank you for thinking."


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: GUEST,Chicken Charlie
Date: 21 May 07 - 04:44 PM

I have been informed that President Abraham Lincoln was a bad, bad man. He deprived the slaveowners of their rights. I think that rates a place in the Bubba history book.

I have also been informed that it was OK for the US to declare war on Mexico in 1846, because prior to that time, the Mexicans actually had the gall to insist that US citizens who came into Mexican territory should obey Mexican law. The nerve of some people!!

C.C.


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 05:01 PM

"Terrorism" is a crock. It's a device used to rile people up to vote Republican.

Bubba was someone's brother. Hence the expression, "Am I my Bubba's keeper?"

F


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 07 - 09:38 PM

Well, well, well....

I thought this was an intersting name fir a thread until I opened it and found I'd started it 4 years ago...

Okay, I still like the name of it but, ahhhhh, wasn't 4 years ago a long time....

Nuthin' much to add other than...

... the beat goes on...

...unfortunately...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: History accordin' to Bubba....
From: Dickey
Date: 22 May 07 - 04:01 AM

Amos:

al Qaeda dosen't like Bush either. Have you quoted them yet in your expose?

And is Chomsky right when he says the media manufactures consent?

How do you know that you are not just repeating whatever the media wants to focus on to manufacture consent?


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