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Request respectful Veterans Day Thread

Fred (Beetle) Bailey 14 Nov 03 - 09:00 PM
mg 13 Nov 03 - 12:37 PM
katlaughing 13 Nov 03 - 10:03 AM
Fred (Beetle) Bailey 13 Nov 03 - 09:05 AM
kendall 12 Nov 03 - 07:14 PM
GUEST,Big Mick 12 Nov 03 - 07:08 PM
Raedwulf 12 Nov 03 - 06:16 PM
Murph10566 12 Nov 03 - 05:26 PM
Peace 12 Nov 03 - 02:08 PM
GUEST 12 Nov 03 - 11:58 AM
GUEST,Bill Kennedy 12 Nov 03 - 11:11 AM
Blackcatter 12 Nov 03 - 01:57 AM
Miken 12 Nov 03 - 12:59 AM
GUEST 12 Nov 03 - 12:00 AM
Peace 11 Nov 03 - 11:57 PM
Mickey191 11 Nov 03 - 11:31 PM
Peace 11 Nov 03 - 10:51 PM
GUEST,pdc 11 Nov 03 - 10:29 PM
mg 11 Nov 03 - 10:08 PM
Rapparee 11 Nov 03 - 09:29 PM
MarkS 11 Nov 03 - 08:20 PM
Peace 11 Nov 03 - 07:28 PM
Gareth 11 Nov 03 - 07:17 PM
katlaughing 11 Nov 03 - 07:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Fred (Beetle) Bailey
Date: 14 Nov 03 - 09:00 PM

Thanks to katlaughing and Mary Garvey --
I was in the Ashau more than once --
and then picked the last 'hook load of 101st off that damn hill above Khontum --
my hook was Ol' Stewball --
The song gets one or two airplays this time of year --

peace
    Thread closed temporarily because it's been a target for a heavy barrage of Spam. If you have something to add to the discussion, contact me and I'll reopen it.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: mg
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 12:37 PM

Great song Beetle, especially the line about the ramp.

I have a song that I probably have never sung...although maybe I posted it...it is for the crew that loaded up the helicopter for the last trip home...

Tune is Nevada Jane by Utah Phillips but he says it is really Gentle Annie although I don't hear the similarity..

It is for the 101st and anyone in the Ashau Valley...

I have walked in the places where the angels fear to tread
Carried out the wounded carried out the dead
And a little voice inside me says why not you instead
In the valley of the shadow of death

I have ______ in places with no name
Sent men back to freedom who will never be the same
And each of us and all of us and no one is to blame
In the valley of the shadow of death

There is not a single woman who will wait for me a year
In the land of hope and promise in the land of ice cold beer
Not a one to know my secrets not a one to know my fear
In the valley of the shadow of death

Wrap him in his poncho strap him with his lace
They got him in the bootie they got him in the face
What the hell it don't mean nothing someone else will take his place
In the valley of the shadow of death

mg


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 10:03 AM

Welcome home, Beetle, and thank you, very much, for sharing. It is really well done.

Mitakuye Oyasin,

katlaughing/kat


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Fred (Beetle) Bailey
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 09:05 AM

Song of an aging Chinook crew-chief:

You saw him walkin' down the street and you quickly looked away,
Cause you don't know where you stand with him and you don't know what to say.
Remembering no welcome, so you care that no one cared,
But you don't look in his eyes because you're scared of seeing scared.

And some remember sacrifice and glory in the war,
Some remember parties, with their buddies and the whores.
Some march in parades to say that "they did not die in vain",
Others turn their backs to try to hide their grief and shame.

And some you'll see 'a-walkin' point in the alleys way downtown
Pushin' grocery carts with dirty flags 'a-hangin' down.
Trundle-ing their fortunes up and down the city streets
Survivors of the war, forever wounded by the peace.

And sometimes I've awakened when the nights were hot and damp
With a couple 'a squads of infantry 'a-sloggin' down the ramp
To a long forgotten fire-fight in a screamin' stinkin' dawn
Where some teen-aged soldier fell and puked his life up and was gone

So many flags were folded for the mothers and the wives
50 nylon stars -- 50 thousand lives
But a Democratic order tells the young ones what to do
To the Viet Cong guerilla, like the Powder River Sioux

So the next time that you see him on the streets out in the rain
You don't owe him no money, and he ain't expectin' fame
Don't lay your standards on him, man, just leave him free to roam
But maybe you could shake his hand and tell him "Welcome Home"


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: kendall
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 07:14 PM

Mike, I'm confused, how could you be too old for Korea, but not for Viet Nam?

Kendall, Seaman 1st class.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: GUEST,Big Mick
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 07:08 PM

Just reading through this thread made mne think of another old thread. Thanks for this, Sister Mary.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=9359#60580


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 06:16 PM

The generations of my family skipped both Wars. AFAIK, only my maternal grandfather served. As I remember being told, he was at Arras in 1918, & he would also wake up screaming in the night for many years afterwards.

I am not of a mindset to have 'favourites' in any sphere, but WWI is a fascination for me, & (for what it is worth) I offer the following poem, which says more for/to me than even the Wilfrid Owen's & Siegfried Sassoon's:

In Memoriam
by Ewart Alan Mackintosh (killed in action 21 November 1917 aged 24)

(Private D Sutherland killed in action in the German trenches, 16 May 1916, and the others who died.)

So you were David's father,
And he was your only son,
And the new-cut peats are rotting
And the work is left undone,
Because of an old man weeping,
Just an old man in pain,
For David, his son David,
That will not come again.

Oh, the letters he wrote you,
And I can see them still,
Not a word of the fighting,
But just the sheep on the hill
And how you should get the crops in
Ere the year get stormier,
And the Bosches have got his body,
And I was his officer.

You were only David's father,
But I had fifty sons
When we went up in the evening
Under the arch of the guns,
And we came back at twilight -
O God! I heard them call
To me for help and pity
That could not help at all.

Oh, never will I forget you,
My men that trusted me,
More my sons than your fathers',
For they could only see
The little helpless babies
And the young men in their pride.
They could not see you dying,
And hold you while you died.

Happy and young and gallant,
They saw their first-born go,
But not the strong limbs broken
And the beautiful men brought low,
The piteous writhing bodies,
They screamed 'Don't leave me, sir',
For they were only your fathers
But I was your officer.

Inspiration
On the evening of 16 May, 1916 Lieutenant Ewart Alan Mackintosh and Second Lieutenant Mackay of the 5th Battalion Seaforth Highlanders led a raid on the German trenches in the sector of the front line north-west of Arras. By the end of the night there were sixteen British casualties, which included fourteen wounded and two killed. One of the two dead soldiers was Private David Sutherland.

Rædwulf


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Murph10566
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 05:26 PM

A Salute to all our Brother and Sister Veterans and their Families...

Thanks to you, Mary, and to all the contributors here who have shared so much of their hearts and memories in this thread...

I've just returned from Washington, DC, where my wife Patricia and I attended the Ceremonies held there at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial; it was an important and meaningful visit for us, as always... This year was the observance of the 10th Anniversary of the dedication of the Women's Vietnam Veterans' Memorial near The Wall.   Recognition so long in coming, has at last been afforded the amazing women who gave (and STILL give) so much...

As I always do, I visited my Friends whose names are etched on so many of the panels there.   They're a part of me still...

The chorus from my song 'The Wall':

And every Name's a Father or a Husband or a Son,
Or a Daughter or a Brother or a Cousin to Someone -
Or a Name might be a Classmate or a Friend you may recall:
There's nearly sixty thousand fallen Names still waiting at The Wall.



God bless the Vet...

Murph


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Peace
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 02:08 PM

Whatever, Bill.


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Subject: Lyr Add: OVER THE HILLS AND FAR AWAY
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 11:58 AM

Here's forty shillings on the drum, for those who'll volunteer to come
To list and fight the foe today, over the hills and far away

O'er the hills and far away
through Flanders,Portugal and Spain
King George Commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away

When duty calls me I must go to stand and face another foe,
But part of me shall always stay Over the hills and far away.

If I should fall to rise no more As many comrades did before
Then bid the fifes and drums to play Over the hills and far away

The fall in lads behind the drum with colours blazing like the sun
along the road to come what may over the hills and far away

Though I may wander far from Spain a part of me shall still remain
For you are with me night and day Over the hills and far away


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 11:11 AM

Brucie - Charles M. Province writes stupid useless drivel-

It is we the people who have freedom of the press.
It is we the people who have freedom of speech.
It is we the people who have the freedom to demonstrate.
It is we the people who have the right to a fair trial.
It is we the people who have the right to burn the flag.

none of our freedoms were 'given' to us by any soldier

some of our freedoms were defended for us by some soldiers

that's all that can be said truthfully

the 'poem' by Province is meaningless melodrama, designed to inflame and incite the right to mobilize against 'too much' freedom for the rest of us who don't agree with you.

my sympathies, respect and thanks to the vets who have sacrificed.

my disgust and scorn for the politicians who misled them and put them in harms way.

my utmost disgust and scorn for the Rush Limbaughs, Bill Kristols, Bill O'Reillys and thier ilk who use the dead bodies and broken limbs of veterans to further thier own personal careers and agendas.

finally, my sympathies, respect and thanks also to the Americans who refused to serve. By doing so they exercise the freedoms we all cherish. there is no freedom if it is not acted on, if it is just enshrined somewhere and we say 'those are our FREEDOMS. but don't think about living as if they mean something. our leaders know best, just shup up and stay in line.'

I expect this response may be unfairly relegated to the BS bin, but that's where this whole thread belongs. I am not trying to politicise this thread, but Armistice Day/Veterans Day is not meant to be a feel good remembrance, but a 'never again if we can help it' remembrance.
work for peace, there is no glory in war.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Blackcatter
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 01:57 AM

My father served in WWII on a seaplane-tender: the USS Lapwing.

One uncle served in WWII on a destroyer going through both the Coral Sea and Midway battles.

Another uncle served during Vietnam in Military intelligence in Germany.

My great uncle served in the trenches in WWI and was gassed - he was never healthy for the rest of his life.

A great grandfather from Vermont fought in several Civil War battles including Gettysburg and Chancelorville.

My closest male friend flew F-4 missions over Vietnam.

They all came home alive.


Last Sunday, my church had 4 speakers during the service. One flew bombing missions over Germany in WWII. One was a lady who lived in Berlin throughout the war and emmigrated to the U.S. in 1950. One was a man who grew up in Saigon, Vietnam and escaped to the US with most of his family before the fall of Saigon. One was a Huey helicopter pilot who flew missions in the Mekong Delta.

Powerful stuff.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Miken
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 12:59 AM

Remembering my mother's cousin Roger, who died in a strafing run while on the old carrier Saratoga, in WWII.
Remembering my Uncle Gordie.. who survived the Bataan death march, and two years of prison camp and carried the emotional and nutritional scars the rest of his life, but who became a highly respected expert on detention and confinement as a psychologist, when he came back. He didn't like to share those experiences much, but after a few of an evening would sometimes do so. Then he'd ask me to sing " The Good Reuben James".
I, too, was too old for Korea, but not for Viet Nam. Remembering My good friend Mike Thomas, Navy Seal and Chief Corpsman who survived two tours in Nam, but died three years ago to cancer. I took my usual lunchtime walk around the military portion of Evergreen Washelli cemetary near where I work, today. and there were lots of folks walking through the site and laying flowers. I thought of Mike's wife Mary who told me in an E-Mail yesterday that she couldn't be at home alone again this Christmas but would visit her sister in San Francisco this year. I asked her if she could come up north to Seattle since she would be on this coast ( lives in N.C), but she said she was afraid of all the old memories of when Mike was in Nam, and she was waiting here for hime to come back.
Thanks for the thread, Mary. I remember last year's unpleasant experience.
Mike


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 12:00 AM

Clinton,

Your "11:11" is a very moving set of lyrics.

Did you know that Garnet Rogers is going around claiming that he wrote it?


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 11:57 PM

Found this on another site and thought it had a place here.

The Soldier

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.

By Charles M. Province


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Mickey191
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 11:31 PM

Thank you Mary for this thread. Your song touched me deeply, thinking of all the fine young men & women and their families, whose lives have been changed forever. These heartfelt stories make me so angry that the lesson is never learned. The old men make the wars and the young men pay.

The War to end all wars, Peace in our time. It's man's inumanity to man, and there is no end in sight.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 10:51 PM

From reading this series of writings today, I know why I can't ever listen to Kenny Roger's song "Twenty Years Ago" without getting tears in my eyes. Thank you all very much for sharing thoughts, ideas and feelings that have touched your lives so intimately. And thank you, Mary, for starting this thread.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 10:29 PM

Some ramblings.

When I was a child, I confusedly called this date "Novembrance Day."

My father helped liberate Arnheim, in Holland. He survived, but lost four friends to that battle, and would never talk about it.

A few years ago, I (a middle-aged Canadian woman) held and consoled a tattooed, muscle-shirted American man who was probably a Hell's Angel, as he sobbed at the Vietnam Memorial in Washington DC. I provided Kleenex, a shoulder, and two ears. He told me later he'd never been able to talk about it before. I can't really talk about it now. My husband stood and watched, completely overwhelmed by this episode.

Who said "war is the ultimate failure"? Is there anyone in the world whose life has not been touched by war? Will we ever learn?


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: mg
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 10:08 PM

thanks..here is a song I wrote for the Korean veterans...horrible times they had...tune is the verse part of Dainty Davy

Those we left there in the cold
We remember we remember
Have no fears of growing old
Oh do we remember

Those who fell face down in mud (quote from Ollie North)
We remember we remember
Asian soil Yankee blood
Oh do we remember

Those who died in prison yards
We remember we remember
Savage weather savage guards
Oh do we remember

Heartbreak Ridge and Pork Chop Hill
We remember we remember
If we don't honor them who will
Oh do we remember

Those whose names we can't forget
We remember we remember
Comrade spirits with us yet
Oh do we remember

Those who died when far too young
We remember we remember
It is for them this song is sung
Oh do we remember

---

And we used to call it Armistice Day and I wish we still did. mg


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 09:29 PM

Sgt., Infantry, Korea, 1969.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: MarkS
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 08:20 PM

Thank you all
A veteran is a great thing to be, but maybe not such a great thing to become.
MarkS
Vietnam 68-69


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 07:28 PM

My grandfather fought at Mons and Ypres. He got some gas there, too. My dad fought with the Canadians in Italy, and he took part in the Normandy invasion. My step-dad fought in France, also. Today I remember two young men, friends of mine, who didn't come back from Vietnam. All five of these people are gone from my life, but please know you will never be gone from my memory. I hope the day will come when we truly turn our swords into ploughshares. Yes, it's time we did that.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Gareth
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 07:17 PM

I think it might be appropriate to draw this(Click 'Ere) to 'Catter's attention.


Gareth


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 07:16 PM

Lucy, well-penned, thank you so much for sharing your grandfather's poem.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Gareth
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 07:11 PM

" And the endless North Atlantic,
With the Convoys to and fro."


My late father, who went from Normandy to Kiel, at the sharp end of XXX Corp would still wake up on the odd night screaming, as the memories overtook him.

He survived, his father, my grandfather, a merchant seaman did not, Benjamin Williams, (DSM - Galipoli.)

In 1939 his ship was "fished" running into Norway - The survivors, he was mate, were picked up by a German merchant ship, fortunately running north to Norway.

I only have this second hand, but the German Skipper was only to pleased to discharge the survivors to the Norwegians - Post 1945 the German Captain and my Grandmother exchanged correspondance on many occasions up until the German Captains death in the early 50's.

No malice there, as it should be at sea.

Grandfather was repatiated. Further sinkings happened, including being picked out of the water by a US of A Coast Gaurd vessel.

In my wardrobe, about 3 feet away from this computer, hangs a US of A Coast Guard Jacket - given to him as survivors clothing.

He went master, then came PQ17.

No now is a time to reflect, and honour the dead and thier ways of passing, by land, sea, or air, and also reflect upon the wounded, physically, or mentally.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Hawker
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 05:38 PM

My Grandfather, John Blakey, served in the Northumberland Fusileers in WWI and was at Passcendale, he lied about his age to go to war, being 1 year too young. He was one of the few who came home, shellshocked and a different man to the boy who went to war. He lived the rest of his life with a stammer. He wrote fantastic poems, one of which is called 'The PBI' about the Poor Bloody Infantry.
I sing it to the star of the county down, as I feel, as a half Irish fiddle player he would have proably set it to something familiar. I also have his and his brother's fiddles, which also went to the front, one has been repaired with a piece of shell case!

PBI
We sing a song as we swing along
An' a bit of a rude one too
From spit and shine it's back to the line,
Back for another do
We know for some it's Kingdom come
'Cos some of us will die
But there ain't no fuss for the likes of us
For we are the PBI

We've played our pranks, we've spent our francs
We've boozed and gambled too
We've tried our wiles with airs and smiles
On demoiselles beaucoup
But for all our swank we've drawn a blank
We didn't get the eye
For Madamoiselle, she knows full well
The ways of the PBI

We've shared our jokes we've shared our smokes
Swapped snaps of wives and gals
Told tales of woe and borrowed dough
And always we were pals
For the blokes what fight on your left and right
When the gaff is raging high
They play the game dedspite the name
Of 'scruffy PBI'

We went on the binge at Popperhinge
We toasted Kaiser Bill
We raised a storm at Ouderdom
They talk about it still
In the estaminet at Aubignay
We left the cellar dry
Did the froggies care? 'Non! c'est la guerre!'
And C'est la PBI'

We've written home, we've made it known
That everything is bon
We've got olf fritz licked into fits
And the war is nearly won
We're full o' the joys, like all the boys
An' our leave is drawing nigh
We'll stand or fall, liars all!
The shameless PBI

So we're off again to the old refrain
Of the naughty Mademoiselle
We singf away although we may
Be marching straight to hell
For you can bet Old Jerry's set
To blow us all sky high
An' we bless the day that we went away
To join the PBI

We sing a song as we swing along
An' it may sound rude to you
But things ain't nice and men ain't mice
In the place we're going to
We're for the top, a special op
An' some of us will die
But there ain't no fuss for the likes of us
For we are the PBI.

I PENNED THIS REPLY TO HIS AND ALL THE OTHER MEN WHO HAVE GONE TO WAR

You sang your song as you swung along
An' though I wasn't there to hear
Two minutes silence make for remembrance sake
On the 11th day, 11th month each year
Wearing poppies red, for the mass bloodshed
Passchendale, where the Gaff raged high!
There's nearly none left at all to answer the call
Of Brave old PBI



If anybody does use it, our of respect to my Grandfather please state that he wrote it, whilst at the front.

God bless,
Lucy


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 01:35 PM

My friend, Bob, enlisted back in '65. Since he had been working as a hospital orderly the Army sent him to school to become a medic. In 1966 he was at Qua Non, South Vietnam. In 1967 he was home and we'd sometimes talk about things he'd seen and done over a beer or six. I can tell what he told me, but you wouldn't understand it. If you've been a combat medic you *know*.

By the time I'd gotten back from my own stint overseas I hardly saw Bob at all. He was back in school, studying horology (it's not what you think, you have dirty mind). Eventually he moved West, got married, came back to Illinois. I phoned him a couple of times over the years and we would always make plans to have a beer together and catch up.

We never did, and three years ago he died. Stomach cancer. Brought on by the cigarettes he couldn't stop smoking, the doctor said. Cigarettes he once told me he was sure would kill him. His lighter said, "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil, for I am the meanest bastard in the valley." Bob got the lighter in 'Nam. He left a widow and two sons.

Last year I visited his grave, poked a hole deep in the soil, and dropped two twenty-two caliber cartridges in. Bob would have understood, and I think that he appreciated the gesture.

Visit The Wall in Washington DC sometime. Remember that Vietnam, like every war, continues to kill even when the fighting is long over.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Metchosin
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 01:17 PM

Lest we forget...thank you Bob.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 01:11 PM

I met up with old friends still in my old Reserve unit last Sunday, which we call remembrance Sunday. They were mobilised and were with 3Para in Iraq. They were in the thick of it and OK but two others were badly wounded in the Chinook that was shot up. Call up of reserves is still going on and I might yet be called by my present unit.
Both my parents were in the RAF from 1940 right through.

We call today Armistice Day. A new memorial was unveiled in Hyde Park to honour Australian dead of both wars. Also this week a WW1 trench with several British dead was uncovered in Flanders. Dozens of remains get turned up by farming there every year.

Mary, I sing Gethsemane to the tune of Derwent Water Farewell. I will sing it tonight at our monthly sing at Benington, putting on an old gas cape and helmet for the occasion. Also Home Lads Home.

Rest for horse and man,
Keith.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: kendall
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 01:03 PM

I have had a medal for many years, and have never worn it until today. I never got shot at, and I never shot anyone. I wear it to honor the veterans who DID get shot at, and who had to shoot others.
War is the ultimate failure.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Mickey191
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 12:34 PM

I graduated from High School with Robert. He was a nice, quiet young man.

Daily Argus-Sep't. 30, 1970

A serviceman who returned unscathed from war service and who was killed in an auto accident last Friday in Sonoma,California, was buried with full military honors today at Pine Lawn National Cemetery.

CPO Robert Edward Hanks 33, a veteran of the Vietnam War was a chief petty officer of communications with the Navy on Skaggs Island, California.
During his two years of service in Vietnam he received a Presidential Unit Citation,a Navy Unit Commendation Medal with one Bronze Star, a Meritorious Unit Commendation Medal, Good Conduct Medal with Two Bronze Stars, the Vietnam Service Medal with Four Bronze Stars and the Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal. He also was the recipient of the National Defense Service Medal.

While in Vietnam he served on patrol ships and earned his Gold Wings on rescue helicopters. He returned to the states last February, after having been in Vietnam four times.

We never know where our heroes come from.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Mickey191
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 11:41 AM

In honor of Eddie Brown who was a POW in an unknown Stalag for 3 years. He came home, looking as death warmed over. He was the sweetest young man who gave me rides in a rumble seat car. He lived a year but succumbed to the TB he aquired whilst a prisoner. God Bless You Eddie.

In honor of Etzel Stone, who also was a POW in Germany. He too came home, but was so far gone, whiskey was his only solace. Despite his beautiful young wife, he could not forget. Was found frozen to death in a railroad shack.

In honor of John Stein, one lovely Sunday in December, sitting under a tree at Schofield Barracks.
He was wounded badly, and was in a coma for 2 months.He carried with him forever, a terrible stutter, as a result of his injuries.

In honor of William Hennings, 18 years old and burried in Belgium. Left a Mother & Sister to grieve forever for the unfulfilled promise of his life.

In honor of Henry McDermott, a POW in Korea. Imprisoned in an underground cage for 3 months. Nearly died from starvation & disease, he too aquired a stutter. Came back & raised a lovely family. Died too young.


There never was a good war, or a bad peace.
Ben Franklin


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 10:20 AM

Alba, our own Art Thieme does a beautiful rendition of that song; it's how I learned it.

Rapaire and jimmyt, I can barely see for the tears, but am so grateful for your sharing.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: PeteBoom
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 09:55 AM

Green Hills of Tyrol is a Retreat March dating from the later 1800's. The lyrics above were set to it by Andy Stewart. Green Hills of Tyree is another tune altogether.

Played the Remembrance Day ceremonies on Sunday in Windsor.

Regards -

Pete


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 09:36 AM

Isn't it "The Green Hills of Tyree", not Tyrol?

The respect is for the ones who faced death and the people who lost them. Never as a reason to justify the mistakes that led to the wars, or as a foundation for new wars.

We call it Remembrance Day.

Remembrance Day

I remember the day when first we marched away,
And so gaily they cheered us in the crowd,
And it all seemed so clear, we were here and they were there,
"Do and Dare, go on out and make us proud"
But it wasn't quite the same
When we came to where we came.
It was plain there was nothing we could do,
But were here for the show,
We'll be here until we go,
Don't we know it won't be long before we're through.

And we're down in the dark as our world is blown apart,
With our hearts in teh bottom of our boots.
And we're tired and we're sore,
And we just can't take much more,
And at times it seems we're treated worse than brutes.
But hear us joke, hear us sing,
Hear us say "God Save the King",
Why you'd think we were happy here in hell,
And we'll stand side by side,
And we'll mever say goodbye,
And we'll die, and thye'll say that we done well.

Well it's past and it's gone,
And it's over, right or wrong.
We were young and we answered to the call.
And it's all far away,
but it seems like yesterday,
Though they say it all meant nothing after all.

And each November once again we will gather in the rain,
We still remain, though we're ading fast away,
And God knows it's getting late,
As we drink to long lost mates,
And to the day we'll be together once again.
So hear us joke, hear us sing,
Hear us say "God Save the King",
Why you'd think we were happy here in hell,
And we'll stand side by side,
And we'll mever say goodbye,
And we'll die, and they'll say that we done well.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: jimmyt
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 09:30 AM

My father flew out of Norfolk 32 missions during WW2. He was 17 lied about his age. Oldest man on the B17 was 21.
My Uncle was shot down on Easter Sunday 1943 over Denmark. A young man rode his bike out to the wreck, pulled 2 wounded AMerican Flyers out of the burning wreckage, hid them in a haystack, and eventually got them in the Danish resistance, to have them rescued through NOrway. Unfortunately, my uncle was not one of the rescued.

I had a chance to meet this young boy, now in his 80s a couple years ago, and it is still fresh in his mind, the entire horrible incident. He told us every detail, took us to the very site the plane went down, then brought flowers and 2 flags, a Danish one and an American one, for us to place on the memorial there in that little village in the Danish countryside. It was a terrible memory for him and still a terrible thing, war. I will say a prayer today for all those men, on both sides of the lines, who gave their lives following orders


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 09:02 AM

1942. My father enlisted, taking the place of his brother, who was about to be drafted and whose work was still needed at home (and who, when the work was done, enlisted himself).

1950. My father is killed while building a house, leaving three sons and a daughter, and a wife who never remarried.

May 13, 1968. Two brothers, members of the National Guard, are sworn into "up to two years active Federal Service." By September, one would be at Chu Lai, South Vietnam. By January, 1969, the other would be be in Korea.

May 14, 1968. The two older brother obtain passes to see the youngest off to the US Air Force for Basic Training. Eventually the young airman would also serve in Vietnam -- and in Thailand, the Phillipines, Okinawa -- as an Airborne Voice Intercept Specialist.

The household went from five to two in 48 hours. No service stars went up in the window.

All came home. One hid his Purple Heart from his mother, all were changed. Even the daughter who stayed home.

My family, according to tradition, left Germany and arrived in the US just in time to serve in the Blackhawk War. We haven't missed one since; I have cousins in Iraq.

This morning, in just about two hours, I have to give a short speech. The American Legion has given the Library a flagpole and today is the dedication. Speeches are for politicians, the deeds are for those the the politicians send in harm's way.

Respect is due to those who do, and only rarely to those who only talk.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Micca
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 08:38 AM

"and now here on the West Front again its all so quiet
the dead and missing do not make a sound
drifting faintly from the German line a ghostly "Silent Night"
but the trenches have returned into the ground "


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 08:04 AM

To the scared young man who grew up dirt poor on a farm in Indiana, joined the Marines before the Army got a chance to draft him, and went to Viet Nam because he thought it was he was supposed to do - thank you.

To the same man who spent the next 30 years of his life working in the special kind of hell they call a steel mill, is now on disability because of an accident at that steel mill, and hated every minute of it but stayed there because he had a family to support - thank you.

From the luckiest daughter in the world, to the dad who has told her every day of her life that he loves her, even when she was acting like an ungrateful punk and had no idea of what real hardship was - thank you. I love you too.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: dwditty
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 08:03 AM

To all my sisters and brothers...Peace/


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE SCOTTISH SOLDIER
From: Alba
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 07:07 AM

For my Father and for the all the Men and Women who are willing to put their lives in danger in order to protect ours. THANK YOU
While we may disagree with the Goverments and the reasons that send them off to War. We cannot ignore the willingness of the few to protect the many or forget the Ones that don't come back.
This song is my Father's favorite and still makes him cry at 84 years old for his two Brothers who didn't get back.

THE SCOTTISH SOLDIER

There was a soldier,
A Scottish soldier
Who wandered far away
And soldiered far away
There was none bolder,
With good broad shoulder
He's fought in many a fray,
And fought and won.
He'd seen the glory
And told the story
Of battles glorious
And deeds neforious
But now he's sighing,
His heart is crying
To leave these green hills of Tyrol.

Chorus
Because these green hills
Are not highland hills
Or the island hills,
The're not my land's hills
And fair as these green foreign hills may be
They are not the hills of home
JD


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 06:56 AM

Wolfgang:

How unusual! Yes, I believe it is aChinese poem from the 8th Century, translated by Ezra Pound.

A


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Shields Folk
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 06:23 AM

Squire nagged and bullied till I went to fight,
(Under Lord Derby's scheme). I died in hell -

(They called it Passchendaele). My wound was slight,
And I was hobbling back; and then a shell
Burst slick upon the duckboards: so I fell
Into the bottomless mud, and lost the light

At sermon-time, while Squire is in his pew,
He gives my gilded name a thoughtful stare;
For, though low down upon the list, I'm there;
"In proud and glorious memory" ... that's my due.
Two bleeding years I fought in France, for Squire:
I suffered anguish that he's never guessed.
I came home on leave: and then went west...
What greater glory could a man desire?


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 06:00 AM

Byron worked for 30 years as a civilian in the Air Force. He had tremendous respect for the military, as much as he and I didn't like the political machine that made it. He taught me greater respect for the individuals who serve their country in this way. May all vets feel honored today.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 06:00 AM

I learned this year that of the 16 names on one WWI war memorial, I'm 'related' to a full quarter of them. 88 years ago this May, two brothers, a cousin and a father-in-law were lost in 24 hours. 3 years later a great great uncle was KIA in France. None of them have a known grave.

At the going down of the sun, and in the morning,

We WILL remember them.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: smallpiper
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 05:10 AM

Respect.


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Wolfgang
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 05:06 AM

Amos,

Lament of the frontier guard is a poem I guess, not a song? I have learned it as a German song when I was young (with a to my ears very strange tune):

Die Pferde lahmen längst
doch wir marschieren
das Gras ist gelb
der erste Raureif fiel...

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Chip2447
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 12:40 AM

My heartfelt thanks to all who wore the uniform; family and friends, those who served in war or in peace, those who served or are serving, those who came back and those who didn't.

May we never lose another son, daughter, father, mother, sister, brother, husband, wife, friend or lover.

Chip2447(from one vet to All the others}


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 03 - 12:19 AM

Sorry, Kat -- see other thread.

A


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Subject: RE: Request respectful Veterans Day Thread
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Nov 03 - 11:52 PM

Thanks, Amos, but my link worked fine for me.


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