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BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help

GUEST,Nicwit 02 Nov 03 - 05:37 PM
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Subject: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST,Nicwit
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 05:37 PM

The last one was at about 11:30 AM on Wed. 29 Oct. I'm still going through extreme feelings that I can't quite describe, except to say tortuous. I think I might rather have a kidney stone as the demarol stops the pain. Any help you can offer will be appreciated, even just good wishes. The tension is really tearing at me. I am a regular, but woud prefer to be anon for the time being. many thanks -- n


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 05:41 PM

Hang on, and drink lots of water. Get a package of Nicorette gum or, better, the Commit lozenges and take them as you need them. It WILL ease up, I promise. It is the toughest walk I ever walked. But it can be done, and if I could get tyhrough it, IO believe you can.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: greg stephens
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 05:44 PM

Well I stopped 11 days ago, and as my lifestyle revolved till then largely around the smoking of cigaretts, it has not been easy for me either. Keep it up, that's all I can say, I'm starting to feel better. More boring, with few high spots in the day, but better. We can do it!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: s&r
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 05:59 PM

Believe that you're a non smoker. Believe that you are a bit ill with hard to treat symptoms that will go away.

Nicotine will not cure the illness; time will

30 years and counting


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 06:50 PM

Thanks for the support. I do have another smoking mixture that I have been avoiding. I know the end results would help, but am loathe to smoke anything right now. Any insights?


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 07:00 PM

Most successful former-smokers I know cut down first, slowly, over several weeks time, to a few cigs a day, and THEN quit with or without Nicorette or other helps.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 07:09 PM

There are two vectors which together always look insuperable but are not. One of them is the pure addictiveness of nicotine. The other is all the behaviours, beliefs, triggers and stimuli that one associates with smoking. Some people can ignore the latter indefinitely but are driven mad by the withdrawal symptoms from nicotine. Other people are only inconvenienced by the withdrawal but are married to the habits of smoking activity and all it symbolizes.

In my experience, the latter is more often the big hurdle for women and the former for men, but that may just be one person's take on things.

I do believe that if you handle just one of these vectors, the other becomes a lot easier -- for me it was simple enough to use lozenges to provide nicotine until I was wholly comfortable not jumping to the triggers and not doing the behaviors-- and only then cutting down on the nicotine lozenges until I could walk away.

Nothing else would have worked for me.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 07:17 PM

Don't touch another cigarette, stick of nicotine gum or any other crutch. Just stop smoking. Period. You got the best advice you will ever get from "s&r". As soon as you *believe* you are a "non-smoker" you have won the battle. I smoked four packs a day at one time and quit five years ago. It only took two weeks before I disliked the smell of cigarette smoke and had absolutely no interest in going back. (BTW, lots of carrots and lots of diet soda in the fridge helped. Much of the "addiction" is to the physical movement of your hand up to your mouth).


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 07:18 PM

Susan, that did not work for me- mostly because cutting down made each cigarette that much better tasting. I eventually quit cold turkey- and I agree strongly with those above who assure nicwic and greg stephens that, yes, indeed, it does get better, and relatively quickly too.

One's motivations don't seem to matter too much when it comes down to it. For instance, I still wanted to smoke- but I no longer wanted to be a smoker. The day I realized that the fact it would be difficult to have stopped was not the important part- the fact that I no longer wanted to be a smoker was. That was an epiphany for me.

One's funny bone seems rather lacking during the early days but even at that there are some funny moments. Like the breakfast date where I found myself stomping the crust of my toast into the ashtray...


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 07:31 PM

The thing that causes the cravings is nicotine, so if you have only a few a day, you're sabotaging your efforts. Having a cigarette so you can resist having a cigarette is just silly. Expect your addict personality to try this tactic, and tell it to get stuffed.

You can try the lozenges, gum (you suck on it more than chew it) or patches. If it comes down to starting again or doing nicotine replacement, go for the replacement.

You can't stop doing something without replacing it with something else. Look for a habit that is beneficial. If you play music, play music. Learn something new. Whittle, read, or make origami hats for your pets. The main point is to find something you can spend time doing that will hold your attention for a time.

Don't forget to keep taking deep breaths even if you aren't inhaling anything but air. The breathing actually helps relax you.

You CAN do this!


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Dani
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 08:39 PM

I am a FIRM believer in the patch, but mostly in the fact that you won't really quit until the day you really want to.

I quit a thousand times: because I or other people THOUGHT I wanted to. When *I* really wanted to, I knew it was the right time. The patch helped tremendously with the nicotine withdrawal, which is very, VERY real.

There is no shame in quitting as many times as you need to until you're ready to. And GOOD FOR YOU for asking for help when you need it!

Nicotine had me through pregnancies, through babies. Unreal. One day my husband and I noticed a big blue cloud in the room, hovering just over the baby crawling on the floor. That's it! No more smoking... in the house, anyway. Fast forward to hilarious shots of us shivering and shaking in the freezing wind and rain, huddled on the porch sneaking smokes...

But one day I looked at my little children running around, and realized I wanted to run around WITH them - and couldn't. And I wanted to hang around with them for a long, long time. And that was the day I knew I could quit. 15 years of smoking several packs of Marlboros a day!

It was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But I wanted it! And a few years after that, I found out I could run. Hadn't EVER! Certainly not since elementary school. Soon ran a 5-K. Thought I would die, but I knew that I had finally kicked that cigarette's ASS. Now when I find myself running down (not up, mind you) a road on a beautiful morning, I still wonder at the fact that I can do it. And I feel strong, and lucky, and incredibly free.

Now, let me tell you about my mother, who is in her sixties, and dying a miserable slow, horrible death from lung disease. And still smoking. I could kill her...

But instead I'll go running in the morning, and pray for you.

Do it.

Dani


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Robin2
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 08:47 PM

lots of water, and walk, clean house, walk, exercise, walk. Keep moving!

I don't think I could have quit without the gum. The day it came out without a prescription I bought it, and quit that day. Thats how bad I wanted to quit, but the withdrawal for me was always severe. Sweats, numbness, uncontrollable depression, the whole nine yards. The worst really only lasts a week or so, and then it eases up. But give yourself several months to settle in being a non-smoker.

Take a good vitamin. And hang in there! You can do it!!! YEAH FOR YOU!!!!!!

Robin2


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 08:47 PM

Key: DO it. DO it. DO it.


Don't "not quite" do it.


DO it.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: NicoleC
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 08:54 PM

My experience was similar to Dani's. Efforts to cut back and such were useless and I finally quit cold turkey -- but it took me a few tries, and I finally successfully quit when *I* was ready to do it for me.

Good luck and hang in there. Water, water, water. Really, it helps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: richlmo
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 10:29 PM

I was smoking 3 packs a day, age 44.
My wife had quit when she was expecting our son. We had a three year old daughter. I would sit in my LazyBoy at night , my wife asleep on the couch, my daughter my now 3 year old son asleep on the floor, filling the room with smoke, thinking, " I'm not just killing me, I'm killing us all." I really hated being a smoker.
Then I had a heart attack. Mad rush to the ER, clot-buster drug, helicopter ride to the nearest big city hospital ,days in Intensive Care, a stent put in and on and on. ALL the doctors involved said THE reason was SMOKING. It Scared the living hell out out me. Haven't smoked since. That was 8 years ago.
Just keep remembering , you are doing the best thing you have ever done for yourself.
You can do it without the same kind of kick-in-the-pants that I got.
It is THE worst thing you can do to your body. Period.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: mg
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 11:16 PM

if you can afford it, perhaps try accupuncture, massage etc..Should help some. I would see a naturopathic doctor to see what he/she recommends. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Mickey191
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:59 AM

Never heard this before-todays paper said there is a link between M.S. and smoking. Just another reason to quit. I did 3 packs a day & quit cold turkey. I did give up coffee as well (For a short time) because they do go together. Had no really bad times. Drank alot of water. Twenty seven years for me. Think of ALL the money you will save. Good Luck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:26 AM

Yeh. Wonder what I did with all the money I saved.:|


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:41 AM

S&r and pdq and Boab here are the living proof that every person is different where tobacco addiction is concerned. I was a heavy baccy-user till one day about forty years back I just decided to stop [I couldn't afford the payments on a coveted car---!] To my own surprise, I had no problem whatsoever in giving it up. In tragic contrast, my dear sister had many agonised years attempting to kick the habit, and finally succumbed to lung disease. If you are as lucky as me [or s&r, or pdq..]then the only advice I can pass along is once you stop smoking, NEVER put another smoking device between your lips again---not a celebratory cigar, or a "xmas treat" or a "joint" or anything which exudes either nicotine or any other poisonous combustion product. If you do, you can never truly say "Ive stopped". If you have the misfortune to be as my sister was, then all that can be said is--fight it; you can win--and here's a fervent hope that you do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:13 AM

I quit for good (great phrase!) almost 26 years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: smallpiper
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 05:52 AM

Say the following mantra over and over to your self "I have not just given up smoking, I AM a non smoker" and stop telling people you've given up, tell them you don't smoke (Best tactic when smokers offer you a cigarette if they think you've given up they may well press you to see how strong your resolve is but if you say you don't smoke they don't press)


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 08:10 AM

One MAJOR problem is that it takes an endless succession of minutes/hours/days of not smoking to quit and ONE second in which you light and inhale to un-quit. It's important to steel yourself for the battles with those surges of cravings. Once you build a history of small successes, you're more likely to keep being successful because you want to make those other battles count for something, and you KNOW you can win.

The only place it's easier to do something than not do it is in the mind of an addict. We can, and will, rationalize damned near anything if we don't learn to recognize when we start to do it.

That keeping busy stuff is important. Another idea: during the day, spend time with people who don't smoke or go places where you can't smoke. Go somewhere you wouldn't have visited before because you'd be trapped and unable to get away for a butt. Think, while you're leisurely wandering through the halls of a museum or talking with people you only now can get to know (because they don't hang out in the smoking area), how it's you controlling what you do and when you do it - not the nicotine.

Look for the early signs that not smoking is making things better. Maybe your circulation's better and your hands and feet are warmer or you can just feel more with your fingertips because the nerves are getting more oxygen. Maybe you don't cough as much or your nose is less stuffy or your voice is simply starting to sound better. Maybe you can take deeper breaths. Maybe you can walk farther without getting winded. Maybe things taste better, smell stronger. Maybe your heartbeat's slower and muscles feel stronger. Finding these little rewards can help keep you going.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 08:44 AM

Actually JEri you can look at it the other way around: when you stop smoking all you have to do is refuse or avoid one cigarette.

But when you start smoking, you are buying in to a trainload of them!

I walked five miles the other day!! My feet hurt but my wind was just fine.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: greg stephens
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:04 AM

When some people in relationships split up, they not only end up hating the other person (hardly surprising), but they also con themselves into believing they never did like the other person. This may help soothe your anger,or guilt, but it's not very honest or grown up(face it, there were good times to start with).
      Similarly the average nicotine giver-upper wanders about saying cigarettes are horrible, wicked killing things, sold by evil profiteers-of-death, filthy vile,train yourself to remember the smell of an ashtray etc etc blah blah. Well, I think youre fooling yourselves, and it wont necessarily help you keep on the straight and narrow.
   Now, I gave up 12 days ago, but I know damn well that what I've given up is the valued companionship of an old friend of decades standing. An old friend who shared all my little triumphs, the convivivial moments, the old pubs, the reaching of mountain summits, the pleasurable intimacies (well, maybe a couple of minutes after those). And an old friend who helped me in times of difficulty and worry and misery. Why deny all this?? Tobacco'been a good buddy to me. But it can kill you, and I've said goodbye. But I'm not going to pretend it's without regrets. After all, if tobacco was so bloody awful it wouldnt be too hard to give up, would it? Let's face it,tobacco is great, so it's as well to remember that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:22 PM

greg stephens, for a long time aftre quitting I said that if I were diagnosed with a terminal illness, the first thing I would do would be to go back to smoking. I no longer feel that way, if for no other reason than that a smoker smells bad.

One of the perks of not smoking was the wildlife I saw after I quit. In the past on my hikes I had never seen deer close up, for instance, or was able to watch a flock of wild birds bathing in a mountain stream. I had never been able before to stand still for a long time outdoors- I always needed a cigarette.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST,Nicwit
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:43 PM

Many more thanks to all. I've been taking the time to re-re-re-read your thoughts and ideas, and am all the better for them.

Today finds me less agitated, but still craving, even though I am not sure what I'm really craving; perhaps less the cigarette than that 'lift' that comes with it. Example: Never smoked at the computer, therefore no associations. But did take "breaks" for a little nicotine. Just took a "break" no strong craving, but rather a desire for "something different."

I am quite sure at this point, that I've won the battle; I can't think of anything that would lead me to act in such a way as to go through this again.

Keep those thoughts and ideas coming -- N


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: nutty
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:08 PM

My greatest problem was that I had been using having a cigarette as a reward.

For instance ..... in my mind I would think "I'll just do this then I'll have a cigarette".
There is no substitute for the pleasure of lighting up under those circumstances so the craving continued longer than it should.

I only really beat it when I weakened and lit up again .... what a disappointment, it tasted horrible and I felt so guilty ..... it was not at all pleasurable and I knew that my memory had been playing tricks on me.

Now when I have the urge,(and I still get them even after 3 years) I know that it will soon go away and I'm happy to say that for 99% of the time I never think of cigarettes now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Dani
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 03:25 PM

You're right, Greg. Well to remember that smoking is WONDERFUL if it doesn't kill you or keep you from doing the things you love.

I still love the smell of a cigarette, and inhale deeply when there's one next to me. Sometimes the only thing that keeps me from bumming one is the thought of how embarrassing it would be to get sick, just like the first few I smoked.

I'm amazed sometimes at the young folks who work for me. Almost every one of 'em smokes: even cooks, for crying out loud!

I never realized how good food smelled and tasted until a few years ago. It took a few years for my sense of smell and taste to return, but they did.

Keep it up!

Dani


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 04:22 PM

Guest Nicwit,

Wow! A lot of wisdom and experience in the above posts. May you find strength in their words, to support you in beating this thing. Never having been a smoker, I have no first hand advice to offer, but even if I had been one, there is nothing I could add to what's been said so well, above. I watched my mother suffer for many years before her death 2 years ago from emphysema. I begged her for years to quit, and she finally did, but it was too late for her.

Congratulations, Nicwit. You are a now non-smoker. All the best to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 04:45 PM

AS with most things probably, one person's success strategy might not work as well for you. I never had very much sustained luck with quitting cold turkey. Cutting down gradually and then quitting altogether seemed to work best for me. Admittedly, I didn't apply any kind of controls as one would in a legitimate scientific experiment, so that I could say that cuting down gradually is definitely the best way for me. There may have been other extenuating factors which unduly influenced the gradual reduction method, but hell, who cares? As long as you stay quit. That is key. Don't expect to be "cured" after a week or a month. For me, I can say that I didn't really have the addiction under control (never beaten) until after about a year. That sounds pretty daunting, I know. The best advice I can give is just to hang in there. Actively think about strategies to keep you off smokes. I sucked hard candy for a long time, and chewed gum. Eventually I got tired of doing that as well. Other people have mentioned altruism and selflessness as a powerful motivating factor ("look what I'm doing to the kids," etc). There's a lot to be said for that. If I had only had myself to consider in quitting, I'd probably still be smoking today. In order for the phrase "physician, heal thyself" to be valid, I think it is important the physician "know thyself" as well. Good luck.

P.S. You mentioned "alternative" smoking mixtures as an aid. I quit once that way. Every time I wanted a smoke, I lit up a "smoke." Stayed so stoned I forgot about ciggies. It worked, but only for a while. The goal is sustained cessation of smoking. Every smoker quits as soon as s/he stubs out his/her last cigarette, and stays quit until they light up his/her next. To sustain the effort over time takes eternal vigilance, sorry to say, but that is just the nature of the beast. Trust us ex-smokers, it's worth it. It seems hard now, but you won't regret it. Quitting is also a great confidence builder. If you can kick the nicotine habit, you can do just about anything. I consider quitting smoking one of the hardest and most rewarding accomplishments I've ever achieved. 12 years now, and I don't smoke anything anymore. I agree with the advice that you have to give all of it up: pipes; cigars; weed; what-have-you.

P.S.S. Unlike Ebbie, if I'm ever diagnosed with a terminal disease and have only a few months to live, the first thing I'm going to do is buy a carton of Winston's. Maybe I'll buy a carton of Camel's and a carton of Pall Mall's for good measure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: NicoleC
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 05:54 PM

It's been 8 years and I still occasionally want one, but it's more a passing wistful thought than a craving. I still take "Non-Smoking" breaks, though. They got me through breaking some of the habitual problems associated with quiting. I took a break and went outside to "not smoke" in the fresh air 2 or 3 times during the workday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 06:07 PM

I do that too, Nicole -- it helps preserve my sanity to remember there is a real world out there!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 06:24 PM

Remembering there is a "real" world out there is enough some days to drive me over the edge! (and Columbus thought the world was round - hah!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: vectis
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 06:58 PM

I haven't smoked for 4 months now. On my umpteenth attempt I went to see a hypnotherapist. Once we had analysed to crazy "reasons" why I was still smoking when I really wanted to be a non smoker it made it a bit easier. The hypnosis beefed up my wavery willpower to help me to NOT scrounge, try or buy any ciggies off others.
I'm still a nicotine addict. I accept that. I just use an inhalator. It gives me a bit of nicotine, no buzz, and occupies my mouth. I smoked for 45 years and this is, so far, working for me.
Keep telling yourself
"I am a non-smoker"
it sounds great.
Keep going, it's worth it.
I hate it when others blow clouds of smoke in my direction when I'm trying to sing. It stinks and kills my breath control.
DON'T GIVE UP GIVING UP
"just one" is a trap, don't be conned by it.
mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: greg stephens
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 07:33 PM

Well I am still enjoying my "no-smoking" breaks. I go to just the same place and sit on the bank and look at the trees, and I sit in the same Lloyd Loom chair in the conservatory and read the Guardian and drink coffee. Let's face it, the breaks arent quite as much fun as they were, but that's OK. I have the warm glow of self-satisfaction instead of smoke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:13 PM

Maybe you can work on a new quiz for November, Greg. Hmmm?


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: DonMeixner
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 11:22 PM

When I quit smoking I did it with the help of grapes and oranges. Something about them made it possible to cut the pain of nicotine withdrawl.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Amos
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 12:02 AM

Vitamin C, i expect -- or were the grapes the sort that come in bottles?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST,Nicwit
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 01:36 PM

Its been a full week now and its getting ever so slightly easier, though i do still have a craving. One thing I did notice though is that when I treated myself to breakfast on the road, that it tasted far better than ever before.

Went to health food shop today and got some homeopathec stuff to help: lobelia inflata to be precise. Can't be sure if it really helps yet or not.

Later -- N


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: LilyFestre
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 01:59 PM

My grandmother and grandfather smoked for over 40 years. Then my grandmother got laryngitis. She was unable to speak for about 3 months. She carried around one of those Magic Slates (anybody remember those?) and that was the only way she could communicate. The doctor told her that if she wanted to be able to speak again, the smokes had to go. She quit cold turkey and my grandfather did it alongside with her.

I'm not a smoker....never have even tried the stuff...but I think that on some level, YOU have to be ready. The only thing I can compare it to is this. I am overweight..have been for most of my life. I finally came to a point where I just could NOT stand myself anymore. I knew tons of nutritional information, could write a book about how various foods interact, how important exercise is, how to change your habits, how bad being overweight is for you.....yadda, yadda, yadda.....didn't mean squat until *I* was tired of feeling the way I did...then I was able to start and continue with success.

My mother is currently trying to quit smoking..she has been smoke free for about 6 weeks now. It's not been easy for her and honestly, it's been kinda weird to me too. I am so used to meeting her to do something and having to wait while she takes a smoke break. I notice it the most when we go out to eat. The time where we would sit and visit (or stand outside and chat), is when she would smoke. We still talk, but the routine is changed...and frankly, it's weird for me too. It took us a while to get over the akwardness of that missing link in our normal activities. Or when we go shopping (a 60 mile drive away)...first thing that used to happen is I would stretch and she would smoke! I never really thought about how much her smoking affected her/me until now. I mean, I know that there is a HUGE social end to smoking...just go outside any day during the work week and hang out with the folks having a smoke on their break......yep...lots of social interactions to make adjustments to as well as the actual smoking.

I don't have any suggestions as to how to stop smoking as I am not a smoker.....I am cheering you on from the sidelines KNOWING that you WILL make that change when YOU are ready!!! :)

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Mickey191
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 02:25 PM

My wonderful, handsome hunk of a brother died of lung cancer at 47. They allowed him to smoke in the hospital, and at one point he asked me to light one for him. He then said," Oh Mick, I should not have asked you to do that, you'll start again." I looked at this mournful, bag of bones and said, "Nothing will ever make me smoke again." Gave him the lit cig. Two days later he died. What a waste. Never got to see his son marry or his grandchildren. All lost for the love of nicotine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 03:09 PM

Nicwit, you've gone six days so far. That's a good investment. Within my considerable experience with smoking—numerous attempts to quite—the third day is the hardest. If you can get past that, which you have already done, it should begin to ease off. I've heard that it takes about twenty-one days for nicotine (and heroin, and other addictive substances) to clear out of your body, so in fifteen days you should be physiologically free of it. Although there may be moments when you don't feel like it, you have actually passed the worst. So hang in there. It's a real bitch, but, believe me, it really is worth what you're going through right now to be free of it.

Sometime back, on a similar thread, I posted my experience with quitting. For what it's worth, if you'd like to read it, here it is: BLICKY.

As I describe, I tried a number of times to quit "cold turkey" and didn't make it and I wound up almost inadvertently tapering off. But just because I didn't make it "cold turkey" doesn't mean that you can't. Lots of people have.

In the months and years to come, you're going to be real happy you've made this choice. Rather proud of yourself, in fact. Congratulations!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: thehiker
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 03:32 PM

I smoked my last ciggy 10 years ago next March and though I would never say quitting was easy it was'nt the ordeal I imagined it would be.I decided to try nicotine substitute gum but after only one piece I realised that the only way for me to succeed was to go cold turkey.
However I carried 4 pieces of gum with me for the next 6 months my theory was that if the pressure got too much and I felt about to crack my lifeline was the gum.I would be able to satisfy the craving and I could still call myself a non-smoker.Just as a by the way I smoked 20 cigs a day, 20cigs x 7 days x 52 weeks x 9 years = 65520 cigarettes that I have not smoked since I quit and thats gotta help the old pump and bellows.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST,Nicwit
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 03:58 PM

Good thoughts, as always. Don, your experience was most interesting. I had been cutting back, way back at times, off and on, for a while now. My experience, however, mirrored what Jeri said,

"The thing that causes the cravings is nicotine, so if you have only a few a day, you're sabotaging your efforts. Having a cigarette so you can resist having a cigarette is just silly. Expect your addict personality to try this tactic, and tell it to get stuffed."

I'm sure this would be easierr if i werent also dealing wiht depression, but who isnt?

Thanks again to all - N


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 05:46 PM

The depression is a side effect of withdrawing from nicotine. It will pass in due course -- your brain has to get used to generating its own chemicals, so to speak. Recommend you start walking a lot.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: s&r
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 04:22 AM

Just a thought - after a long time smoking the cilia in your lungs haven't been moving out the mucus as they should. You may find cattarh develops for a while as you rid your lungs of debris. It happened with me, but is hepled with a mild expectorant linctus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: C-flat
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 04:50 AM

I've been mulling over the notion of quitting smoking myself for some time and this and other recent threads on the topic have given me the final push.
I confess to ONE cigarette yesterday(which I deeply regretted as soon as I smoked it), so starting from now, I QUIT!!!!





so far, so good..................









yeah! this is easy...................










help!


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: GUEST,oggie
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 05:19 AM

After trying umpteen times and failing miserably the first time I went into a pub or did some writing (when you stop to think you light up - at least I did), I followed the late Willie Rushton's advice and carried a pack of 20 and a lighter around with me. The logic was if you have no fags you've not given up, you're just out of fags. If you could smoke at any time then you are consciously deciding not to smoke and are not tempted when suddenly you're offered a fag. Worked for me 20 odd years ago but evidently I was hell to live with for a couple of weeks.

All the best

oggie


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 08:20 AM

Haven't had time to read the other threads so i don't know if this has been muted earlier.
My GP does accupuncture, he told me that of the people he treats one third walk out a light a fag, one third cut down substantially and one third stop altogether, I was one of the lucky ones. I walked into the surgery on a Tuesday afternon a fifty a day smoker and came out a non-smoker, that was nearly eight years ago. I felt the benfits within hours as I had previousl;y had a constantly runny nose, a condition which stopped within 24 hours and within a month when walking I could feel myself to be healthier.
Keep at it you will soon reap the benefits

Good Luck

Raggy


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Subject: RE: BS: Extreme Nicotine Withdrawal Help
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 09:25 AM

Nerves grow back, oh yes they do. The tiny ones in your respiratory tract. Your smeller and taster will work better, and my hearing actually got better (I have eustachian tubes the size of Michael Jackson's   nose, and irritation shuts 'em down and makes my hearing suck as bad as...something that sucks a lot.)

With the perky new nerves comes an increase in feeling that may not be all that welcome to start out with. Respiratory irritation: it's not that it wasn't there before. You just didn't feel it. You might go through a phase where your throat's sore or you have a tickly cough that will drive you nuts for a bit. It will pass. Take it as a sign that you're healing.

The loogie-launching mentioned by s&r above - same thing. Think about what the stuff does to you when it doesn't go anywhere. Drink a lot of water - it will help.

Now, expect, in a month or two, to have THAT dream. (has anyone who's quit not had it?) You'll be in your little dream world, and you'll be talking to the usual dreamland buddies. The guy with three heads offers to buy you a drink, so you whip out your wings and fly up to the bar, because you're bored with going up the slide. You sit there with the three-headed guy, Bugs Bunny and Jack Keruac, discussing favorite ice cream flavors, and then, the most frightening thing happens. It makes your stomach seize and your blood drain to your feet in the icy grip of terror. You lift your hand to your mouth and inhale the cigarette that's been there the whole time, and realize, "HOLY MOTHER OF PEARL, I AM SMOKING!!! HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? I DO NOT SMOKE...I STOPPED THAT SHIT!!! OH WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!???" Then you wake up in a cold sweat and realize it was just a dream.

Of course, it's not always the same dream. Sometimes it's Daffy Duck instead of Bugs.


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