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Peace 07 Nov 03 - 01:50 PM
Mr Red 07 Nov 03 - 01:40 PM
Amos 07 Nov 03 - 01:37 PM
GUEST,Frankham 07 Nov 03 - 12:58 PM
GUEST,noddy 06 Nov 03 - 12:33 PM
Peace 05 Nov 03 - 01:38 PM
SueB 05 Nov 03 - 01:30 PM
GUEST,pdc 05 Nov 03 - 12:49 PM
GUEST,pdq 05 Nov 03 - 12:46 PM
Peace 05 Nov 03 - 10:48 AM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Nov 03 - 06:10 AM
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GUEST,pdq 04 Nov 03 - 10:14 PM
Peace 04 Nov 03 - 07:45 PM
kendall 04 Nov 03 - 06:35 AM
GUEST,Obie 03 Nov 03 - 10:30 PM
kendall 03 Nov 03 - 09:21 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Peace
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 01:50 PM

Well said, Frank,


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 01:40 PM

Whats worse than Bush in 2004?

2004 in your Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Amos
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 01:37 PM

Get it said, Frank, get it said. I haven't listened to Boortz so I fouond it surprising to find a Libertarian characterized as anti-humanistic. For my part, I'll take your word on it barring evidence to the contrary. Appreciate your speaking up.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,Frankham
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 12:58 PM

It doesn't make much sense for me to try to add anything here.
But I feel I must speak out. I don't think it's about the]
person who I don't really know or care to much. It's about the policies as Kendall has said.

As to the cabinet of the Bush Administration, Al Franken has
called them "Chickenhawks". That is, it's easier to make a war policy than to participate in it. It's the old cliche of "Let's fight, I'll hold your coat." War is a terrible, horrible and
awful thing and it doesn't offer any solutions to how people can live together in peace and justice. There are those who will get rich from war because that's justified in their minds. I'm thinking
of the infamous "Golden Triangle" of the Pentagon and the private corporate sector. This would include the Bush Administration's current cabinet. These men are dangerous for the country because
they are immoral. They are making money from the deaths of
innocent Iraqi women and children. They are making sure that
the working people of this country will not see the benefits
of their labor. They can count themselves amoung the wealthy
in the "class war". This "war" was created by the Bush Administration and Reagan and Bush Senior. There are people who
are working at manual labor jobs who are trapped in them because there are no places to retrain since money hasn't been allocated for them to do so. The destruction of the welfare system has meant that
poor hardworking Americans don't have decent paying jobs and can't
raise their kids on the money they make and the time they can
spend with their families is limited since they work long, hard hours for little money....a disgraceful devaluing on the minimum
wage in the "richest country in the world."


The public school system is being gutted by Bush and
his cronies. Only the wealthy will be able to receive a decent
education. This is anti-American. Anti-democratic. If this happens, then bin Laden and Saddam have beaten us.

We need a president who is responsive to the needs of Americans
and not a spokesperson for Haliburton, Harken, Enron, and the
gutting of the Texas and American educational system.

A word about Libertarians. We need a strong, moral federal government to protect us against the selfish, self-serving
Libertarian movement who would cut off the necessary funding
for deserving African-Americans, Hispanic and poor isolated
others in the citified ghettos of the US. Their representative
on talk radio spews his vitriol daily. Neil Boortz. A bully who
allows no contradictions to his madness. If people don't want to
pay taxes for educating those who don't have a chance in this
country, or helping them find decent employment, then bin Laden
and Saddam and Bush have won.

End of rant but I'm a folkie who has strong feelings about this
kind of thing and probably should keep my mouth shut but it's just
too painful not to.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 12:33 PM

Just remeber that no matter who you vote for its always the Government that gets in!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 01:38 PM

Thanks, pdc: You're right on both counts. However, whether it was Alice or Bill, it definitely is getting c and c. Later.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: SueB
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 01:30 PM

Bush campaign re-election slogans:

BU__SH__!

Bush Reloaded

Bush/Cheney '04: "You're either with us or against us!"

Bush/Cheney '04: Apocalypse Now!

Bush/Cheney '04: Assimilate. Resistance is Futile.

Bush/Cheney '04: Because the truth just isn't good enough.

Bush/Cheney '04: Compassionate Colonialism

Bush/Cheney '04: Deja-voodoo all over again!

Bush/Cheney '04: Four More Wars!

Bush/Cheney '04: Get used to it!

Bush/Cheney '04: In your heart, you know they're technically correct.

Bush/Cheney '04: Leave no billionaire behind

Bush/Cheney '04: Lies and videotape but no sex!

Bush/Cheney '04: Making the world a better place, one country at a
time.

Bush/Cheney '04: Or else.

Bush/Cheney '04: Thanks for not paying attention.

Bush/Cheney '04: The economy's stupid!

Bush/Cheney '04: The last vote you'll ever have to cast.

Bush/Cheney '04: This time, elect us!

Bush/Cheney: Asses of Evil

Don't think. Vote Bush!

George W. Bush: The buck stops Over There

God Save the King!

Let them eat yellowcake! Vote Bush!

Peace & Prosperity Suck -- Big-Time

Reselect Bush/Cheney in '04

Vote Bush in '04: "Because I'm the President, that's why!"

Vote Bush in '04: Because dictatorship is easier

Vote Bush/Cheney in '04: The check's in the mail!

Who would Jesus Bomb?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 12:49 PM

WC Fields said it best: curiouser and curiouser.

Sorry -- Lewis Carroll said that. However, WC Fields did say "Heavenly days!" which seems equally appropriate. ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 12:46 PM

brucie- note that various people tend to post music, humor or politics. Some of us like all three.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 10:48 AM

GUEST, pdc

I se what you mean. Will research more. WC Fields said it best: curiouser and curiouser. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 06:10 AM

Gets a bit confusing with pdq. Though reading the post normally sorts that one out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 11:27 PM

Brucie, the man behind Bush that you ought to fear most is named Karl Rove, the Grey Eminence of this administration. I won't tell you any more -- just google him and read various articles on him.

In the meantime, I will go google your suggestions, with thanks. And yes, pdc is my moniker here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 10:14 PM

Being a Christian Scientist with apendicitis!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Peace
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 07:45 PM

GUEST,pdc:

Thanks for the direction. There is a 'thing' you might care to look into. Have you ever encountered an organization known as MJ 12 (Majestic 12)? You can google them. Interesting and very scary stuff--to paranoids like me. But, Kissinger was right: even paranoids have enemies. (Curious, is pdc your usual name here? If you choose not to say, that's OK.) The people who used to espouse conspiracy theories were closer to the truth than most of us care to admit. Scares me, anyway. Someone on this site said Bush is the figurehead. True. The man is too clumsy to be the real leader. And then, isn't that a diabolical turn of events. The American Executive isn't really in charge. But, he is surrounded by some brilliant people who guide his thoughts. The one that worries me most is Wolfowitz. He is a no-shit genius, and he is, in my opinion, a major player in the NWO plan. And, last, in my opinion the plan IS world domination and enslavement. (I see I'm back to my cheery ol' self, what?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 06:35 AM

Right on, Obie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 10:30 PM

A Canadian perspective.......
Clinton only screwed his staff; Bush is screwing the whole damned world!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:21 PM

Dean may have just shot himself in the foot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:18 PM

Howard Hughes??


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Gareth
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 07:36 PM

Howard in 2005 !!

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 04:38 PM

Bruce, you're bang on. Go to the PNAC website.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 04:04 PM

Bruce (if Bruce it is)-

A quote attributed to you many years ago seems appropriate here:

"The government may be full of shit, but the people put it there."

Hope I got that right...

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 03:38 PM

I agree with Bobert. What is at stake is not only democracy in the US but also choice of government around the world. The game plan as I see it is a New World Order. I perceive it to be theft of the whole damned planet--its resources and all the people on it. Multi-nationals and governments are beginning to sleep together (as they often did before), but now there is almost no attempt to hide it. Iraq don't mean squat in the grand scheme of things (I realize it means lots to the Iraqi people), but its geographical location certainly provides a strategic locale for any parties interested in settlin' down the Middle East and being where the resources of the Middle East are. In short, it ain't just about the USA; rather, it's really about all of us. We are being enslaved, and we ain't doin' all that much about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,Me
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:59 PM

McGrath of Harlow. An opinion on everything an insight to nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:31 PM

I also like broccoli and corn dogs. Maybe it's genetic, which means I cant't do anything about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:50 PM

What's this? pdq doesn't like Barbara Streisand's catterwalling? How can someone who has such good taste in music also have such poor taste in politicians? hehehe


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:44 PM

I would gladly sit on a Cholla cactus (again) if it would guarantee that Dubya fails to be re-elected (or re-appointed by the Supreme Court).


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:35 PM

Having a porcupine stuck to your face! Er, guess that one's been done....


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:33 PM

Being locked in a room and having to listen to Barbara Streisand records all day!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:31 PM

Backing buck-naked into a Teddybear Cholla!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:30 PM

I thought the obvious answer was Clinton Hammond's dead skunk!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Beccy
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:55 AM

Hillary. Anytime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:53 AM

Beverly has written 2 books on it and can be found at blackboxvoting.com
Even the president of Diebold says that it is personal duty to see W re elected.

Although the goal is to make the vote uncheckable it is not the perfect crime. The voting machine scandles will probably let America live a lie for decades.
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/buck-pass2.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:11 AM

Does anyone besides me read the Hightower Lowdown?
In the latest edition he accuses the corporations that build and maintain voting machines of election fraud. According to him, they have been caught manipulating the talley in a number of areas.
You are right Bobert, our democracy is in grave danger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 11:21 PM

(Bless your pea pickin' little head, Alaska Mike. Well put.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 10:13 PM

hmmm...still no bush believers jumping up to answer the question posed earlier about his admirable qualities. where are you guys? here's the question again...

Now, what should we admire about this loser (GW Bush) who never succeeded at anything in his life?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:45 PM

Well, I certainly ain't no Clintonite. He was a oderate to right Repubocrat and had some bad habits involvin' the womenz. He pushed thru a very anit-human welfare reform package. He backed down from the NRA. Like I said a good moderate to right Republican...

And then along came Bush. Whew! You folks that support this guy need to read "Old Nazis, the New Right and the Republican Party" by Russ Ballant! This is getting way beyond just partisan politics and the rival fraternity mindset between the Dems and Repubs. This is some serious business as social programs that we all have lives with all of our lives are targeted to be scrapped and where if yer not part of the Christain Right (which would know Christ from a hubcap) then you are suspect...

Yeah, you Bushites can think yer supporting some ideology but what you are really supporting is the end of democracy. It satrted quite nicely in Florida where Jeb said, "Don't worry, I'll get the job done" and continues today with redistricting in Texas... These folks are out to steal America and, as a Green Party person myself, must admit, they're doing exactly what they have had planned for over 50 years...

Read the book and tell me I'm wrong....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:33 PM

ditto kendall rant and this edited version...

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushtransition1.gif


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:25 PM

One of the things I can't stand about the right wing types, they firmly believe that Clintons sex life is more important than Bush's illegal, unnecessary war. Well, tell it to the dead over there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: NH Dave
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:20 PM

From the old song, "A porcupine stuck to your face!"

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 08:54 PM

The United States has been transmorgrified from a democracy into a corporate fun club. We have the best government money can buy and it seems to be getting worse and worse. There is not even a semblance of Republican politicians trying to do what is best for the people they are supposed to serve. The GOP only has to convince the big money corporations that they will do their bidding in order to obtain enough money to beat whoever might be running against him. It is disgusting and I see no solution in the near future.

What's worse than Bush in 2004? Not a thing.

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 06:05 PM

"What's worse than Bush in 2004" - I take it that's a riddle which Donuel posted. So what's the answer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 05:54 PM

It strikes me as the height of hypocrisy when those of the right wing persuasion accuse people who are critical of George W. Bush and his policies of some kind of spontaneous, irrational hatred when a few years back they set up a vicious campaign of character assassination against the Clintons even before they set foot in Washington, D. C. (years before Bill had the bad judgment to leave his fly unzipped). This is a prime example of spontaneous and irrational loathing groping around to find a rationale for its existence. And even though Clinton is out now, it still goes on (could it be because even though Bill is politically dead, Hilary is still very much alive?). It makes a very convenient diversion to be able to point to Clinton and try to move the argument over there when faced with criticism of Bush, his string of lies, his gutting of the economy for the benefit of his friends, and his initiating a war that is illegal, ill-advised, and (as is beginning to become evident), in the long run, unwinnable.

It is possible to intensely dislike and disagree with someone's policies and behavior without hating, or even disliking, him personally. I understand the Bush is really quite an affable fellow. He was a real party animal at Yale and he's supposed to be lots of fun at a barbeque. I am very much in favor of sending him back to Crawford, Texas, tying an apron on him, handing him a spatula, and putting him in charge of the steaks. Right after he steps down in January of 2005.

What could be worse than a second Bush term? Maybe another dinosaur-killer asteroid.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Peter Woodruff
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 05:29 PM

Not getting a skunk out from under the porch.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 04:05 PM

Thanks Kendall, but I went the other way. I spent 32 years as a registered Democrat and changed to Republican in May 2000 in order to vote for McCain. The Democrat Party lost its soul during the Clinton years. Sorry, just a fact, and they have no one to blame but themselves. I see no justification for the daily Bush hating and feel as many do, including jimmyt, that enough is enough. Again, my statements are not aimed at any one person.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:28 PM

pdq, the fact that you like my music says a lot about you!
Now, let me set the record straight. I do not, and never have hated all republicans. I disagree with their party policies that's all.
As for my own history, I was a Barry Goldwater republican in the 60's. I almost became a John Bircher. I voted for Nixon...TWICE! I cast my very first vote for Eisenhower. I voted for George Bush the first when he ran against Reagan in the primary.
Slowly, I began to wake up and resent tax cuts for the rich, cuts in social programs, butchering veterans benefits to pay for those tax cuts. Bush has to pay back his contributors, and he is doing it on the backs of the poor, a tack the republicans are very good at.
I don't hate George Bush, I don't hate anyone, but I do detest his politics, and I resent the fact that with the help of Jeb, Katherine Harris and the supreme court, he was able to get appointed president. He now has gotten us into one hell of a mess, and he is too damned arrogant to get us out of it.
Have you noticed the lack of news coverage on the coffins and body bags coming home? He has forbidden the media to show this, because, he learned one thing from Viet Nam, that kind of coverage was what turned Americans off the war. I see him as an incompetent nincompoop, but, Cheney is dangerous, and Ashcroft is a power hungry meglomaniac.
Colin Powell, I like.
end of rant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:11 PM

Well, once I thought I liked a tie he was wearing- but upon closer examination I saw I was wrong- Like just about everything about the bushie upon closer examination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:04 PM

the only "direct question" in the post directed to pdq was this...

Now, what should we admire about this loser (GW Bush) who never succeeded at anything in his life?

i fail to see how you responded to that question as you maintain. you did what most bush apologists do around here which is talk about bill clinton, who has not been president for some time now, or act as if all republicans have been attacked and feign outrage that anyone would do such a nasty thing (as if repubs didn't commit the worst "bashing" in recent memory during their phony impeachment charade). so will any of the bushites answer the direct question about the admirable qualities of GWB and his policies without comparisons to past officeholders? pdq? dougr? claymore? anybody?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Amergin
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 01:56 PM

Schwarzenegger an honest man? since when?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 01:50 PM

Thanks, but Kendall is a fine man and a fine folk singer. I have had his record with "Lorena" and "Old Shep" for years and really enjoy it. I do not intend anything I said to be taken as a personal attack on anyone. I was trying to be polite and answer a direct question. Also, all of the points brought up have been discussd elsewhere ad nauseum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004Gu
From: Mickey191
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 01:31 PM

Guest PDQ, You did not answer Kendall's questions. Can you Please? Thanking you in advance.


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