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Donuel 31 Oct 03 - 10:09 PM
GUEST,Claymore 31 Oct 03 - 11:13 PM
GUEST,pdq 31 Oct 03 - 11:26 PM
LadyJean 31 Oct 03 - 11:56 PM
Amos 01 Nov 03 - 12:04 AM
Amergin 01 Nov 03 - 03:32 AM
kendall 01 Nov 03 - 08:17 AM
GUEST,pdq 01 Nov 03 - 10:54 AM
Ebbie 01 Nov 03 - 12:50 PM
McGrath of Harlow 01 Nov 03 - 01:04 PM
Mickey191 01 Nov 03 - 01:31 PM
GUEST,pdq 01 Nov 03 - 01:50 PM
Amergin 01 Nov 03 - 01:56 PM
GUEST,guest from NW 01 Nov 03 - 03:04 PM
Ebbie 01 Nov 03 - 03:11 PM
kendall 01 Nov 03 - 03:28 PM
GUEST,pdq 01 Nov 03 - 04:05 PM
Peter Woodruff 01 Nov 03 - 05:29 PM
Don Firth 01 Nov 03 - 05:54 PM
McGrath of Harlow 01 Nov 03 - 06:05 PM
Alaska Mike 01 Nov 03 - 08:54 PM
NH Dave 01 Nov 03 - 09:20 PM
kendall 01 Nov 03 - 09:25 PM
Donuel 01 Nov 03 - 09:33 PM
Bobert 01 Nov 03 - 09:45 PM
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Subject: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 10:09 PM

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushtransition1.gif


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 11:13 PM

Answer: Any Democrat....


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 11:26 PM

Yep, ANY Democrat!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: LadyJean
Date: 31 Oct 03 - 11:56 PM

What's worse than Bush in 2004?
Bush in 2008
Bush in 2012
Bush in 2016!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Amos
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 12:04 AM

Wrong. Dean would be a big improvement.

Heard a quote of his regarding Bush: "There's a guy who was born on third base and thought he'd hit a triple...."


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Amergin
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:32 AM

ladyjean...you forgot something....bush in 2000.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 08:17 AM

Hey, pdq and claymore, you know why we detest this lying, phoney, incompetent, drunken asshole. He pulled a "Pearl harbor" on a country that had nothing to do with 911, now he is seeing to it that only his contributors get the "sweetheart" deals to rebuild Iraq. He started with a trillion dollar surplus, spent it and billions more, spent all the goodwill we got from the rest of the world with his arrogance, signed a bill that allows the FBI to arrest and detain without council anyone they want to call a terrorist, etc etc etc.
Now, what should we admire about this loser who never succeeded at anything in his life? And, dont bring up Clinton or any other past loser, this is not about them, they did not declare war on 1/3 of the worlds population without cause. You have the floor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 10:54 AM

Kendall, your hatred for Republicans goes back forty years. It has little to do with President George W. Bush. Everytime a new Republican comes along you will hate him /her also. There is nothing a person can do to change your mind, so why waste the time and effort. The fact that you see Clinton as a "loser" is nice to know. The Dems had a huge majority in the federal house and senate, also a significant majority of governors. Clinton's daily lying and games playing has turned off most Americans. He is still in firm control of your party and spent two weeks directing the California assault on Arnold Schwarznegger. Another ugly, mean and divisive campaign to destroy an honest man. The real answer to the posted question is "Clinton is back".


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 12:50 PM

Remember back when Reagan campaigned: Are you better off today than you were four years ago? How would you answer that today? If you feel that we are on the right track I'd like to hear your reasoning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 01:04 PM

Lord how you Americans love each other...

Doesn't that in itself suggest that something is pretty badly wrong?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004Gu
From: Mickey191
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 01:31 PM

Guest PDQ, You did not answer Kendall's questions. Can you Please? Thanking you in advance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 01:50 PM

Thanks, but Kendall is a fine man and a fine folk singer. I have had his record with "Lorena" and "Old Shep" for years and really enjoy it. I do not intend anything I said to be taken as a personal attack on anyone. I was trying to be polite and answer a direct question. Also, all of the points brought up have been discussd elsewhere ad nauseum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Amergin
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 01:56 PM

Schwarzenegger an honest man? since when?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:04 PM

the only "direct question" in the post directed to pdq was this...

Now, what should we admire about this loser (GW Bush) who never succeeded at anything in his life?

i fail to see how you responded to that question as you maintain. you did what most bush apologists do around here which is talk about bill clinton, who has not been president for some time now, or act as if all republicans have been attacked and feign outrage that anyone would do such a nasty thing (as if repubs didn't commit the worst "bashing" in recent memory during their phony impeachment charade). so will any of the bushites answer the direct question about the admirable qualities of GWB and his policies without comparisons to past officeholders? pdq? dougr? claymore? anybody?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:11 PM

Well, once I thought I liked a tie he was wearing- but upon closer examination I saw I was wrong- Like just about everything about the bushie upon closer examination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:28 PM

pdq, the fact that you like my music says a lot about you!
Now, let me set the record straight. I do not, and never have hated all republicans. I disagree with their party policies that's all.
As for my own history, I was a Barry Goldwater republican in the 60's. I almost became a John Bircher. I voted for Nixon...TWICE! I cast my very first vote for Eisenhower. I voted for George Bush the first when he ran against Reagan in the primary.
Slowly, I began to wake up and resent tax cuts for the rich, cuts in social programs, butchering veterans benefits to pay for those tax cuts. Bush has to pay back his contributors, and he is doing it on the backs of the poor, a tack the republicans are very good at.
I don't hate George Bush, I don't hate anyone, but I do detest his politics, and I resent the fact that with the help of Jeb, Katherine Harris and the supreme court, he was able to get appointed president. He now has gotten us into one hell of a mess, and he is too damned arrogant to get us out of it.
Have you noticed the lack of news coverage on the coffins and body bags coming home? He has forbidden the media to show this, because, he learned one thing from Viet Nam, that kind of coverage was what turned Americans off the war. I see him as an incompetent nincompoop, but, Cheney is dangerous, and Ashcroft is a power hungry meglomaniac.
Colin Powell, I like.
end of rant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 04:05 PM

Thanks Kendall, but I went the other way. I spent 32 years as a registered Democrat and changed to Republican in May 2000 in order to vote for McCain. The Democrat Party lost its soul during the Clinton years. Sorry, just a fact, and they have no one to blame but themselves. I see no justification for the daily Bush hating and feel as many do, including jimmyt, that enough is enough. Again, my statements are not aimed at any one person.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Peter Woodruff
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 05:29 PM

Not getting a skunk out from under the porch.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 05:54 PM

It strikes me as the height of hypocrisy when those of the right wing persuasion accuse people who are critical of George W. Bush and his policies of some kind of spontaneous, irrational hatred when a few years back they set up a vicious campaign of character assassination against the Clintons even before they set foot in Washington, D. C. (years before Bill had the bad judgment to leave his fly unzipped). This is a prime example of spontaneous and irrational loathing groping around to find a rationale for its existence. And even though Clinton is out now, it still goes on (could it be because even though Bill is politically dead, Hilary is still very much alive?). It makes a very convenient diversion to be able to point to Clinton and try to move the argument over there when faced with criticism of Bush, his string of lies, his gutting of the economy for the benefit of his friends, and his initiating a war that is illegal, ill-advised, and (as is beginning to become evident), in the long run, unwinnable.

It is possible to intensely dislike and disagree with someone's policies and behavior without hating, or even disliking, him personally. I understand the Bush is really quite an affable fellow. He was a real party animal at Yale and he's supposed to be lots of fun at a barbeque. I am very much in favor of sending him back to Crawford, Texas, tying an apron on him, handing him a spatula, and putting him in charge of the steaks. Right after he steps down in January of 2005.

What could be worse than a second Bush term? Maybe another dinosaur-killer asteroid.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 06:05 PM

"What's worse than Bush in 2004" - I take it that's a riddle which Donuel posted. So what's the answer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 08:54 PM

The United States has been transmorgrified from a democracy into a corporate fun club. We have the best government money can buy and it seems to be getting worse and worse. There is not even a semblance of Republican politicians trying to do what is best for the people they are supposed to serve. The GOP only has to convince the big money corporations that they will do their bidding in order to obtain enough money to beat whoever might be running against him. It is disgusting and I see no solution in the near future.

What's worse than Bush in 2004? Not a thing.

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: NH Dave
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:20 PM

From the old song, "A porcupine stuck to your face!"

Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:25 PM

One of the things I can't stand about the right wing types, they firmly believe that Clintons sex life is more important than Bush's illegal, unnecessary war. Well, tell it to the dead over there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:33 PM

ditto kendall rant and this edited version...

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushtransition1.gif


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 09:45 PM

Well, I certainly ain't no Clintonite. He was a oderate to right Repubocrat and had some bad habits involvin' the womenz. He pushed thru a very anit-human welfare reform package. He backed down from the NRA. Like I said a good moderate to right Republican...

And then along came Bush. Whew! You folks that support this guy need to read "Old Nazis, the New Right and the Republican Party" by Russ Ballant! This is getting way beyond just partisan politics and the rival fraternity mindset between the Dems and Repubs. This is some serious business as social programs that we all have lives with all of our lives are targeted to be scrapped and where if yer not part of the Christain Right (which would know Christ from a hubcap) then you are suspect...

Yeah, you Bushites can think yer supporting some ideology but what you are really supporting is the end of democracy. It satrted quite nicely in Florida where Jeb said, "Don't worry, I'll get the job done" and continues today with redistricting in Texas... These folks are out to steal America and, as a Green Party person myself, must admit, they're doing exactly what they have had planned for over 50 years...

Read the book and tell me I'm wrong....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 10:13 PM

hmmm...still no bush believers jumping up to answer the question posed earlier about his admirable qualities. where are you guys? here's the question again...

Now, what should we admire about this loser (GW Bush) who never succeeded at anything in his life?


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Nov 03 - 11:21 PM

(Bless your pea pickin' little head, Alaska Mike. Well put.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:11 AM

Does anyone besides me read the Hightower Lowdown?
In the latest edition he accuses the corporations that build and maintain voting machines of election fraud. According to him, they have been caught manipulating the talley in a number of areas.
You are right Bobert, our democracy is in grave danger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 09:53 AM

Beverly has written 2 books on it and can be found at blackboxvoting.com
Even the president of Diebold says that it is personal duty to see W re elected.

Although the goal is to make the vote uncheckable it is not the perfect crime. The voting machine scandles will probably let America live a lie for decades.
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/buck-pass2.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Beccy
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:55 AM

Hillary. Anytime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:30 PM

I thought the obvious answer was Clinton Hammond's dead skunk!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:31 PM

Backing buck-naked into a Teddybear Cholla!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:33 PM

Being locked in a room and having to listen to Barbara Streisand records all day!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 12:35 PM

Having a porcupine stuck to your face! Er, guess that one's been done....


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:44 PM

I would gladly sit on a Cholla cactus (again) if it would guarantee that Dubya fails to be re-elected (or re-appointed by the Supreme Court).


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 01:50 PM

What's this? pdq doesn't like Barbara Streisand's catterwalling? How can someone who has such good taste in music also have such poor taste in politicians? hehehe


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:31 PM

I also like broccoli and corn dogs. Maybe it's genetic, which means I cant't do anything about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,Me
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 02:59 PM

McGrath of Harlow. An opinion on everything an insight to nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 03:38 PM

I agree with Bobert. What is at stake is not only democracy in the US but also choice of government around the world. The game plan as I see it is a New World Order. I perceive it to be theft of the whole damned planet--its resources and all the people on it. Multi-nationals and governments are beginning to sleep together (as they often did before), but now there is almost no attempt to hide it. Iraq don't mean squat in the grand scheme of things (I realize it means lots to the Iraqi people), but its geographical location certainly provides a strategic locale for any parties interested in settlin' down the Middle East and being where the resources of the Middle East are. In short, it ain't just about the USA; rather, it's really about all of us. We are being enslaved, and we ain't doin' all that much about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 04:04 PM

Bruce (if Bruce it is)-

A quote attributed to you many years ago seems appropriate here:

"The government may be full of shit, but the people put it there."

Hope I got that right...

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 04:38 PM

Bruce, you're bang on. Go to the PNAC website.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Gareth
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 07:36 PM

Howard in 2005 !!

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:18 PM

Howard Hughes??


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 09:21 PM

Dean may have just shot himself in the foot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 03 Nov 03 - 10:30 PM

A Canadian perspective.......
Clinton only screwed his staff; Bush is screwing the whole damned world!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: kendall
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 06:35 AM

Right on, Obie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: Peace
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 07:45 PM

GUEST,pdc:

Thanks for the direction. There is a 'thing' you might care to look into. Have you ever encountered an organization known as MJ 12 (Majestic 12)? You can google them. Interesting and very scary stuff--to paranoids like me. But, Kissinger was right: even paranoids have enemies. (Curious, is pdc your usual name here? If you choose not to say, that's OK.) The people who used to espouse conspiracy theories were closer to the truth than most of us care to admit. Scares me, anyway. Someone on this site said Bush is the figurehead. True. The man is too clumsy to be the real leader. And then, isn't that a diabolical turn of events. The American Executive isn't really in charge. But, he is surrounded by some brilliant people who guide his thoughts. The one that worries me most is Wolfowitz. He is a no-shit genius, and he is, in my opinion, a major player in the NWO plan. And, last, in my opinion the plan IS world domination and enslavement. (I see I'm back to my cheery ol' self, what?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 10:14 PM

Being a Christian Scientist with apendicitis!


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 04 Nov 03 - 11:27 PM

Brucie, the man behind Bush that you ought to fear most is named Karl Rove, the Grey Eminence of this administration. I won't tell you any more -- just google him and read various articles on him.

In the meantime, I will go google your suggestions, with thanks. And yes, pdc is my moniker here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Whats worse than Bush in 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 06:10 AM

Gets a bit confusing with pdq. Though reading the post normally sorts that one out.


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