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BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 11:31 AM

You are mistaken, Guest. I am in the mode of persisting toward truth in the presence of great and redundant and multiplexed falsehoods.

I appreciate the Freudian definitions, Siggy, but I assure you I am as capable or more than the average bear at discriminating between Now and Then.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST,Amos
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 02:16 PM

Mark Geibert raves about corruption in high places in an article entitled George W. Bush Is The Most Corrupt President In History .

He feels the country has gone a bit mad, and I certainly sympathize.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Once Famous
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 07:31 PM

It is time to hijack this thread, or at least send it to the FBI so they can see one man's obsessivness with a hate of a president.

Amos, you could frighten a lot of people, nore than half of the voters in this country with this obsessive ranting.

I am going to contribute something useful to this thread and that is whether the Cubs will or will not trade Sammy Sosa.

Sosa, the Cubs all-time home run leader is now very unpopular with the fans.

Do you think any team would be interested in him?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 07:51 PM

Martin:

The majority of the posts on this thread are pointers to articles in the public media, you half-witted sociopath.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST,Opie
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 08:00 PM

US President George W. Bush urged both President Omar el-Bashir of Sudan and that country's main rebel leader to reach a peace deal when negotiations resume in late November, the White House said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST,Werner
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 08:48 PM

US President George W. Bush has invited his Sudanese counterpart Omar al-Beshir to sign an expected peace accord with the country's southern rebels in Washington

WVB


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 10:16 PM

The Guardian offers a rather pessimistic view of Bush's record of broken promises contrasted with Blair's optimism regarding same and Middle East peace.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 10:48 PM

Robert Scheer writing for the Los Angeles Timers in an article called

The Peter Principle and the Neocon Coup
discusses " the wholesale political revenge campaign being waged by the hard-liners in the Bush administration against anybody and everybody inside the government who challenged the way the second Persian Gulf war in a decade was marketed and run".

Excerpt:

Out: Secretary of State Colin Powell, whose political epitaph should now read, "You break it, you own it" for his prescient but unwanted warning to the president on the danger of imperial overreach in Iraq.

Out: Top CIA officials who dared challenge, behind the scenes, the White House's unprecedented exploitation of raw intelligence data in order to sell a war to a Congress and a public hungry for revenge after 9/11.

Out: Veteran CIA counterterrorism expert and Osama bin Laden hunter Michael Scheuer, better known as the best-selling author "Anonymous," whose balanced and devastating critiques of the Iraq war, the CIA and the way President Bush is handling the war on terror have been a welcome counterpoint to the "it's true if we say it's true" idiocy of the White House PR machine.



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 11:57 PM

It would appear from this piece that Tony Blair is (a) distancing himself a bit from the US and (b)encouraging the US to adapt Kerry's platform.

Hmmmm. Why?

"London, England, Nov. 16 (UPI) -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair urged the United States to reach out to the rest of the world and adopt a more multilateral approach to international affairs."

(Washington Times/UPI)

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: RichM
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 04:46 PM

American taxpayers-even bushitters- are soon going to start getting uneasy about the cost of all these foreign expeditions!

Wave goodbye to your dollars


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 06:02 PM

The War in Iraq Cost the United States
$145,626,209,182 as of 14:58 PST today.

Robert Scheer discusses the moral profile of Dick Cheney in this article entitled The Man Behind the Oval Office Curtain. He says, inter alia:

"Lately, as the war has become an unmitigated disaster for the United States and Iraq, Cheney and the President have been on the defensive against charges by numerous terrorism experts--and presidential candidate John F. Kerry--that the invasion of Iraq was a dangerous distraction from the fight against Al Qaeda and its affiliates.


Undaunted, Cheney tells us the Jordanian-born terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi, who has been blamed for many anti-American attacks in Iraq, originally entered Iraq with Hussein's permission; thus Cheney tries to post facto justify the invasion as a legitimate pillar of the war on terror. But it's just another lie, with the CIA stating the opposite: The fundamentalist Zarqawi first sneaked into Hussein's secular and nationalist dictatorship using a false identity.


That Cheney clearly has a huge personal interest in the war makes all of this that much more sickening."

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 06:05 PM

In A Little Education Can Be a Dangerous Thing John Nichols reports that a respected Yale
professor    is embarassed by Dick Cheney. As well he should be!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 07:17 PM

In a special report Representative Waxman examines the extent of secrecy in the Bush White House.

"It finds that there has been a consistent pattern in the Administration's actions: laws that are designed to promote public access to information have been undermined, while laws that authorize the government to withhold information or to operate in secret have repeatedly been expanded. The cumulative result is an unprecedented assault on the principle of open government."



This website offers 100 Facts (possibly uncomfortable but irrefutable) leading to one unavoidable opinion, supporting the many views against the Bush administration between 2000 and 2004. It also offers a handy PDF download of the whole list of facts. Click here to download.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 08:16 PM

The BBC has posted a survey of world-wide responses to Bush's election. They are representative of both sides of the schism, but on the whole seem to weigh heavily n the side of being disappointed in the intellectual poverty being shown by American voters.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 17 Nov 04 - 09:11 PM

In an article called If at First You Don't Secede, Michelle Goldberg talks about the polarization that Bush's administration has built throughout the nation, and howe it could lead to a virtual secession, pinning the hopes of liberal-minded people on State's rights and local freedoms. She writes:

"These sentiments were so pronounced that they migrated into the
mainstream. Speaking on "The McLaughlin Group" the weekend after
George W. Bush's victory, panelist Lawrence O'Donnell, a former
Democratic Senate staffer, noted that blue states subsidize the
red ones with their tax dollars, and said, "The big problem the
country now has, which is going to produce a serious discussion
of secession over the next 20 years, is that the segment of the
country that pays for the federal government is now being
governed by the people who don't pay for the federal
government."

A shocked Tony Blankley asked him, "Are you calling for civil
war?" To which O'Donnell replied, "You can secede without firing
a shot.""

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 12:43 AM

The irascible and ineluctable Maureen Dowd speaks up on the issue of excessive emphasis on loyalty in this New York Times column. She says:

"Now, in the 21st-century reign of King George II, flattery is mandatory, dissent is forbidden, and erring without admitting error is the best way to get ahead. President Bush is purging the naysayers who tried to temper crusted-nut-bar Dick Cheney and the neocon crazies on Iraq.

First, faith trumped facts. Now, loyalty trumps competence. W., who was the loyalty enforcer for his father's administration, is now the loyalty enforcer for his own.

Those promoted to be in charge of our security, diplomacy and civil liberties were rewarded for being more loyal to Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney than to the truth."



She makes a telling case. Why should the leader of the free world depend on sycophants and butt-boys? Personal instability? Low self-esteem? Artificial intelligence?

You decide.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:03 PM

>http://slate.msn.com/id/2108995/

This article describes the dynamics of Iraq and why we are in for a long
haul that we cannot now afford to abandon. The complexities of the
interactions between Kurds, Sunni and Shiite and Hammabi Iraqis and the once
power-holding Sunni Baathists, are the woof and warp of what George W. Bush
never thought about when he went after the token entity he knew (after his
father) as "Sadamn". The facile goal of "regime change" has been sliced and
diced into an explosive and corrosive blend of hatreds on the ground of
Mesopotamia.

It is obvious from the aftermath that these factors were not understood,
just as it is obvious that the intricate planning of the war was not
extended to plan for the peace.

One bad decision of an important magnitude can have a tearing floodtide of bad
consequences; nothing demonstrates this more clearly than the situation in
Iraq. And it is clear this was a strategic, not a tactical error. The
Marines and Army units and their officers, who have largely beens uccessful
in tactical purusits, cannot afford to worry about where they would like to
be, but are obliged by life-or-death considerations to move forward from
what is. The irrationality of the current situation must be plainly placed
on the doorstep of George Bush, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and
Condi Rice. While it may be modern to say these people are not stupid, and
it may even be true, what is also certainly true is that they made some very
stupid decisions at the strategic level, with some very painful and
expensive consequences. It is hard to understand why this gang wa shired int
he first place, given their demonstrations of managerial callousness. It is
even harder to understand why they were considered for rehiring.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:12 PM

Can you believe that the Chicago Bulls are 0 and 6?

This once great dynasty is now the piece of crap of the NBA.

Perhaps John Kerry should become the head coach.

What do you think, Amos?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 09:21 PM

Is anyone following the hit new series "Desparate Housewives?"

Some cute ladies on the show.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:18 PM

I believe that the important questions of human life on earth will not be answered by the Chicago Bulls.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST,Werner
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:29 PM

Innocence Protection Act Signed Into Law
11/10/2004 3:05 PM

On November 1st, 2004 President Bush signed into law the Justice for All Act


WVB


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 11:56 PM

Amos, I just need to tell you again, that what you are posting here is of great value. I have sent many of the blue clicky websites and articles to appreciative friends who are all amazed at how much important information you've garnered in one place.

I know I don't have to tell you to ignore Martin Gibson. Why he comes here to taunt you says far more about him than you, as usual.

Just please KEEP IT UP! My respect for you grows by the day.


..xx..e


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 12:04 AM

Werner's somewhat mute post points to one of the few positive actions I have seen coming out of the Bush administration. Here is a description of the fancifully-titled act known as "Justice for All". Considering the number of corpses Mister Bush has prodyuced in his short lifetime, it is wonderful fine he should care so much.

Ellen, thank you very much for the kind remarks. Really, they do help!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:12 AM

Bush's Echo Chamber (NY Times Op Ed)
By BOB HERBERT

Published: November 19, 2004

Excerpt:

Colin Powell, who urged the president to think more deeply about the consequences of invading Iraq, is being shoved toward the exit. And Condoleezza Rice, who blithely told America, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud," is being ushered in to take his place.

Competence has never been highly regarded by the fantasists of the George W. Bush administration. In the Bush circle, no less than in your average youth gang, loyalty is everything. The big difference, of course, is that the administration is far more dangerous than any gang. History will show that the Bush crowd of incompetents brought tremendous amounts of suffering to enormous numbers of people. The amount of blood being shed is sickening, and there is no end to the grief in sight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 09:20 AM

Over in the House of Representatives, the Righties are doing the Ethical Sleight of Hand Polka:


Regressive Ethics in the House

Published: November 19, 2004

Having picked up a handful of seats in this month's election, House Republicans seem to think they have a mandate to eradicate Congressional ethics standards.

On Tuesday, House Republicans unanimously elected Tom DeLay to serve another term as House majority leader, despite his unsavory record when it comes to abiding by accepted Congressional standards of conduct. He received two separate bipartisan rebukes from the normally timid ethics committee this fall.

Just in case Mr. DeLay gets into more trouble, G.O.P. lawmakers have followed up by repealing their wise party rule that barred indicted members from holding leadership positions. Only a handful of Republicans had the moral compass to object.

The Republican conference's worry about Mr. DeLay's relationship with the forces of justice stems from the same events that nailed down his current popularity. He muscled an egregiously partisan redistricting plan into Texas, and that helped Republican candidates pick up five Congressional seats there.

(Excerpted from the New York Times Op Ed Section)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 07:07 PM

This is only indirectly germane but itis vitally important to our political and social well-being.

A reporter is facing imprisonment because he declined to reveal a confidential source to a state court. See link for full story.
 
If anyone in the Bush administration had the brains of a wet hen, they'd be pushing for a constitutional amendment to support a national shield policy, instead of caring about marital conventions.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 07:31 PM

Just a repeat from that Op Ed article two up, for the sake of emphasizing an important line:

History will show that the Bush crowd of incompetents brought tremendous amounts of suffering to enormous numbers of people. The amount of blood being shed is sickening, and there is no end to the grief in sight.




A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 07:41 PM

In Partisan Spooks the Los Angeles Times speaks sharply about the risks Mister Bush took in appointing Mister Goss to the head position over at Langley.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 11:38 PM

From the Arizona Republic:

Afraid you'll lose? Just change the rules

Nov. 20, 2004 12:00 AM

So Tom DeLay, the Republican House majority leader, has three ethics violations, may soon be indicted, and could face felony charges.

Not to worry! Just change the party rules so he can remain the House leader.

President Bush gets the majority of his judges approved but comes up short on a few. No problem. Change the filibuster rules. Some Republicans want to run Arnold Schwarzenegger for president but he is not a U.S.-born citizen. No problem. Amend the Constitution.

Do you see an erosive pattern here? So much for the "values" of the Republican Party. - Kevin Horan, Flagstaff


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST,Werner
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 11:45 PM

US President George W. Bush plans to seek support from China and other key allies at the Asia-Pacific summit to help resurrect talks with North Korea over its nuclear weapons program

WVB


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 11:53 PM

Gee....a flip flopper!!! Oooooh!


Glad to see he is taking Kerry's advise seriously at least on the face of things. We know where the proof of the pudding will be, now, don't we?

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST,Armed and Dangerous
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 04:51 PM

At least, to some. Every cult and circle of initiates has its little resistive corners, the ones who get in by mistake or who have genuine aspirations but some how fall short of experiencing the big E. The core truth of all these truths seems to be that belief can be manipulated, and that belief brings about experience. It is kind of funny to hear someone say, "I have to believe it. I experienced it." And testimonial experiential data is used as an appeal for persuasion. But the simplicity of it all is that belief brings about experience. In the manipulations of con men or gurus, the first target is always belief, not experience. When belief is manipulated whether by advertising, psychic bombardment, persuasion, love and hugs, or strong arm and terror tactics as often used by the Feds -- then we can experience the reality being pointed out. The simple truth is humans don't experience what they don't believe. This can be quibbled with, because a belief in a house will bring about an experience of rooms, but the specifics are peculiar to the individual's belief structures.

AJ


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 04:57 PM

The violence and chaos into which Bush's decisions have plummeted the USMC is frightening. It is well portrayed in detail in this NY Times article.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST,Siggy
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 05:24 PM

Nervous breakdown:
A period of mental illness, usually without a physical cause, which results in anxiety, difficulty in sleeping and thinking clearly, a lack of confidence and hope, and a feeling of great sadness.

Freud


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 08:02 AM

As reported in the Washington Post for November 19, more than 20,000 people marched in Chile to vent their anger at Pacific Rim leaders, particularly President Bush.

While some protesters said they oppose the APEC summit, which they likened to a rich man's club that does nothing for the poor, much of the rage was aimed at Bush and the U.S.-led war in Iraq.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 08:14 AM

The FCC Chairman Has No Clothes
Washington Post, Sunday, November 21, 2004; Page N01



Oops. They got rid of the wrong Powell. The father unfortunately is going, but the son, even more unfortunately, remains behind.... Staying in office, however, and capable of wreaking havoc in American broadcasting until 2007, is Colin's son Michael Powell, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission and definitely not a force for good in America.


His father is stepping down as secretary of state, but Michael Powell could remain in power until 2007.

Pompous and imperious, an ideologue who believes unfailingly in his own philosophy of how TV and radio should work (the FCC also has domain over telephone and emerging broadband technologies), Powell ignores or condemns anyone who opposes him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 08:19 AM

THe Washington Post examines the dubious competence of Mister Bush's selected Attorney General for the nation in a well-reasoned article.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 08:39 AM

Kathryn Graham, writing for the Sierra Times, discusses the cred8ibility of the Administration in an article entitled The Bush Administration and Freedom. She makes this reassuring observation:

"The rest of the world watched in horrified fascination as George W. Bush handily won reelection to the office of President of the United States a couple of weeks ago. Many who had deep moral issues with the Bush administration, but not with the American people, now believe that this election proves that the American people are as morally bankrupt as their leaders.

That is not necessarily true."


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 01:42 PM

The Philadelphia Enquirer's editorial on The Bush Cabinet casts a skeptical eye on the insulated and robotic crew surrounding the Bush.

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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 08:03 PM

This obsession is killing you, Amos.

I believe that you think that this is your life's work.

What a shame and a waste.

I am considering a request that this thread be closed, already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 11:00 PM

Thanks for the concern, Martin, Request away. I am more concerned with keeping the truth about the corruption you support so loyally in plain view.

Of course I am sure suppressing such things is old hat to you, but I don't know that I am causing anyone any discomfort except you and a few of your nameless borgs. And since you have a reputation as such an unmitigated anti-social troublemaker, I see no reason to expect that your request will weigh very much.

The nature of this thread is very consistent and obvious, such that no-one need visit it twice who does not intentionally choose to. You obviously find it of compelling interest.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 11:06 PM

Maureen Dowd rides again with a shap-edged piece call Absolute Power Erupts

She says: "The White House says it wants greater harmony, but it's acting like the thought police. Having run into resistance in their bid for global domination, the president and vice president are going for federal domination, pushing out anyone with independent judgment who puts democracy above ideology.

It's a paradoxical game plan: imposing democracy abroad while impeding it here."

(Of course the ground truth is that it is not truly being imposed there, either.)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 11:13 PM

Quoting Colin Powell in remembering Viet Nam, Mark Danner writing for the NY Times:

" ' Our senior officers knew the war was going badly. Yet they bowed to groupthink pressure and kept up pretenses. ...Many of my generation, the career captains, majors, and lieutenant colonels seasoned in that war, vowed that when our turn came to call the shots, we would not quietly acquiesce in halfhearted warfare for half-baked reasons that the American people could not understand.'

Those plain words about Vietnam stand out with refreshing immediacy today, in this age of the destruction of the fact, when incontrovertible but unwelcome information is dismissed as partisan argument. What might the Colin Powell who wrote those words, or the younger officer in Vietnam who envisaged his future as a man who could never "quietly acquiesce," have said about our present war?"

From Danner's current Op Ed, "A Doctrine Left Behind" which describes indirectly why we may be losing the war in Iraq: "If the old rule of thumb about counterinsurgency warfare holds true - that the guerrilla wins by not losing and the government loses by not winning - then America is losing the Iraq war. "


This is a question that needs to be honestly asked and honestly answered. The latter is improbable.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 11:18 PM

Thomas Friedman also poses the question and offers a way to answer it:

Excerpted from his worth-reading Postcards From Iraq:

" Readers regularly ask me when I will throw in the towel on Iraq. I will be guided by the U.S. Army and Marine grunts on the ground. They see Iraq close up. Most of those you talk to are so uncynical - so convinced that we are doing good and doing right, even though they too are unsure it will work. When a majority of those grunts tell us that they are no longer willing to risk their lives to go out and fix the sewers in Sadr City or teach democracy at a local school, then you can stick a fork in this one. But so far, we ain't there yet. The troops are still pretty positive.

So let's thank God for what's in our drinking water, hope that maybe some of it washes over Iraq, and pay attention to the grunts. They'll tell us if it's time to go or stay."


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 11:23 PM

In the Times Editorial called Groundhog Day the hawkish assertions of the administration concerning Iran and their nuclear capabilities, and the similarity to the war drums heard before the invasion of Iraq, are examined plainly.

Is it possible that once a warmonger, always a warmonger? Do you suppose that is why Hitler went and attacked the USSR and kept on going? The taste of human blood is said to make maneaters out of tigers. Perhaps it does something similar to leaders.

Interesting question.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: DougR
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 12:13 PM

Amos, no one can accuse you of not being tenatious. I do wonder, though, why you persist in continuing to promote this skewed view of what the popular views are of the Bush Administration. That issue was clearly settled on November 2, 2004 when Bush got both the Electoral and Popular vote majorities.

Perhaps it is therapy for you. If so, I guess it does have a purpose.

Maybe a change in title might be in order for this thread. Something like, "Amos's view of the Bush Administration" or "The Minority's View of the Bush Administration."
DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST,Werner
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 01:21 PM

Armed & Dangerous:

Did you write that weird shit? Man, you are a sicko.

WVB


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: GUEST,Johnjohn
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 03:56 PM

Hispanics for Jorge

JJ


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:05 PM

One of the side effects of invading Iraq that could have been anticipated, but was not, is the doubling of the starvation of children in the country.

Meanwhile, with the dance of War costing the nation billions, the state of affairs at home among those in the poverty bracket is not improving. The NY Times Editorial on the subject is telling, and is entitled, SHHH--Don't Say 'Poverty".


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views of the Bush Administration
From: Amos
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:21 PM

John Kenneth Galbraith, the world renowned Harvard economist, had a few succinct phrases to describe his disappointment in the voters on November 2d, and his view of some of the Administrations accomplishments.


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