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OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November

GUEST,ClaireBear 09 Jul 04 - 11:10 AM
GUEST,lesdelice@msn.com 09 Jul 04 - 09:06 AM
Charley Noble 28 May 04 - 09:06 AM
Bob Bolton 28 May 04 - 12:00 AM
Charley Noble 27 May 04 - 09:55 AM
Naemanson 27 May 04 - 12:05 AM
GUEST,A student Amanda 26 May 04 - 12:25 PM
Naemanson 04 Jan 04 - 09:53 PM
Sandra in Sydney 04 Jan 04 - 07:34 AM
Naemanson 04 Jan 04 - 07:19 AM
Charley Noble 03 Jan 04 - 09:23 AM
freda underhill 03 Jan 04 - 07:14 AM
Sandra in Sydney 03 Jan 04 - 06:49 AM
JennieG 02 Jan 04 - 08:22 PM
Charley Noble 02 Jan 04 - 08:39 AM
JudyB 02 Jan 04 - 06:56 AM
Sandra in Sydney 02 Jan 04 - 06:40 AM
Ebbie 01 Jan 04 - 01:26 PM
GUEST,JudyB 01 Jan 04 - 12:47 PM
Charley Noble 31 Dec 03 - 08:48 AM
Roger the Skiffler 31 Dec 03 - 03:52 AM
Naemanson 30 Dec 03 - 10:38 PM
Sandra in Sydney 30 Dec 03 - 09:17 AM
Charley Noble 30 Dec 03 - 08:54 AM
GUEST,JudyB 30 Dec 03 - 08:37 AM
freda underhill 30 Dec 03 - 08:08 AM
The Fooles Troupe 30 Dec 03 - 08:05 AM
GUEST,JudyB 30 Dec 03 - 07:06 AM
GUEST,JudyB 30 Dec 03 - 07:00 AM
Sandra in Sydney 30 Dec 03 - 06:52 AM
Roger the Skiffler 30 Dec 03 - 03:39 AM
freda underhill 30 Dec 03 - 02:42 AM
Hrothgar 30 Dec 03 - 01:44 AM
Naemanson 30 Dec 03 - 12:24 AM
GUEST,JudyB 29 Dec 03 - 10:13 PM
Charley Noble 29 Dec 03 - 05:34 PM
GUEST,JudyB 29 Dec 03 - 05:06 PM
Naemanson 29 Dec 03 - 04:47 PM
GUEST,JudyB 29 Dec 03 - 04:33 PM
freda underhill 29 Dec 03 - 03:03 PM
Charley Noble 29 Dec 03 - 10:10 AM
curmudgeon 29 Dec 03 - 09:48 AM
Charley Noble 29 Dec 03 - 09:41 AM
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Charley Noble 28 Dec 03 - 07:24 PM
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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 11:10 AM

In case A student Amanda still wants to know, I've just retrieved the information that the story "A Shipment of Mute Fate," written by Martin Storm and made in 1949 into a radioplay for the "Escape" series, concerned a bushmaster (a South American pit viper) loose on an ocean liner.

Can't speak to the 10 deadliest snakes question, but surely that can't be hard to find out, given the Internet? Or just ask at a reptile store...


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Subject: Snakes
From: GUEST,lesdelice@msn.com
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 09:06 AM

Seeking names of the 10 deadliest snakes in the world.


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 May 04 - 09:06 AM

And "Good D'y" to you, Bob!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 28 May 04 - 12:00 AM

G'day Charley,

I'm afraid "... the snake,Mute Fate ..." sounds a bit metaphorical (if not metaphysical!) compared the real-world ones I mentioned back in August last year.

Many of our venomous snakes have quite a few vernacular names ... but those tend to be a little more direct that our GUEST's quest (especially when you decided to rest on a long hike, as my father once did, and you sit down on a nice comfortable-looking pile of dried leaves by the track ... to discover you have actually sat on top of the camouflage of loose leaves heaped up over a Death Adder [Acanthorpis antarcticus] waiting to prey on passing small animals. Dad reckoned it would be a toss-up who made the best time in opposite direction - him or the Death Adder!)

Regard(les)s,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 May 04 - 09:55 AM

Bob Bolton needs to deal with this request. Could someone alert him?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Naemanson
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:05 AM

I never heard of Mute Fate. Can you elaborate?


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: GUEST,A student Amanda
Date: 26 May 04 - 12:25 PM

I want to find out how about the snake,Mute Fate,one the deadliest snakes that kills you silently.Do you have pictures on it or infomation?


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Naemanson
Date: 04 Jan 04 - 09:53 PM

Ah yes, it's nice to hear when the obnoxious ones get taken down a peg or two.


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Jan 04 - 07:34 AM

Brett, I used to know a bloke who worked at (Oz) Customs who told the story of sitting next to a loud obnoxious drunk coming back from the Middle East some years before. The drunk was from a culture that does not take alcohol & he didn't speak English either. (ps. it was years before the current climate of suspecting nationals of different cultures & appearances)

When they were close to landfall, the attandants handed out Customs cards & the drunk threw his at my friend. No please, or any comment, so my friend politely filled it in & handed it back. Knowing that this bloke had a very short fuse, we did wonder how he had put up with the invasive behaviour for hours.

While he was in the queue he saw a few of his mates, so quietly told tehm that he had filled in the card for the still noisy drunk & had ticked off everything - yes he had drugs, yes he had been on farm, yes he had foodstuffs. etc. They all smiled.

So did we when he told us.

sandra


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Naemanson
Date: 04 Jan 04 - 07:19 AM

"They" always get away with it.

I learned recently another lesson in how he rich get richer. It's not just that they don't "waste" their money but that they have figured out how not to pay their bills. I have two friends here who were hired to go to the bahamas for a specila construction job an some rich bastard's second or third or fourth home. Now he owes them for the rest of the job and he's refusing to pay. One of the guys has a friend in the FBI and is talking to him about ensuring that this guy gets an invasive body cavity search every time he flies into the USA.


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 09:23 AM

Freda-

I remember reading about "Juanita Neilson." There is certainly nothing romantic about an investigative reporter getting murdered. Too bad "they" got away with it.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: freda underhill
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 07:14 AM

Hi Charlie

I was in Woolloomooloo on New Years Eve. There was a street party down close to the harbour, and a lot of people were about. The area is beautiful and is a mix of gentry & urban poor.

In the late 80s i used to do cartoons for the BLF (builder's Labourer's Federation) which was the union which had implemented all the green bans. It was an interesting time, when politics was acted out on the streets. Unions, developers, police.. the police in sydney were very corrupt in the 70s and it was a tough time.There was a journalist called Juanita Neilson who ran a local community newspaper in the area. she documented all the goings on and was murdered (her body was never found).

freda


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 06:49 AM

Charley - you're right about the low & medium density & cost housing in the Loo - Victoria St is in Potts Point, I was forgetting about the wider area & whole plan.

The Loo has a lot of Housing Commission homes, as well as Aboriginal Housing authority houses & the Talbot, and lots of rich folk, too who
own or are buying their own homes. Low cost acccomodation leads to poor people & people with various problems, and the presence of the Matthew Talbot, a large establishment run by the Catholic Church for homeless men, leads to even more transient people.

There are many folks who object to the behavior of some of their neighbours, whether in low-cost accommodation, or spending time in the parks & lanes of the area.

Some folks just write to newspapers, some try to help but one night recently a pack of rich hoons attacked a group of homeless men, doing some nasty injuries. They dressed in black Matrix coats (very theatrical!!), wore dark glasses & used clubs to show they were serious about this threat to their neighbourhood. They also contacted the press later saying they were professionals (of what I wondered) & defended their actions, blah blah - saying all the kinds of things low lives say to defend the indefensible. I wonder if they won converts to their way of thinking.

sandra


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: JennieG
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 08:22 PM

It worked for me - awesome! Sandra sent me the link, I have been away at the Gulgong festival. Warmish - nearly hot *grin*, lots of good music and fun.
I thought I should avert my eyes from those nekkid fish though.
Thank you, Charley and Judy!
Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 08:39 AM

Good notes, Sandra, on Victoria St. and Woolloomooloo. I've actually been researching these neighborhoods since the mid 1970's after seeing a documentary film entitled WOOLLOOMOOLOO in an urban studies class. According to my notes::

"In the early 1970's the inner city neighborhood of Woolloomooloo in Sidney, Australia, was threatened by massive urban renewal. The resistance by the residents; the cooperation gained from the building and trades union; the roles of the politicians, real estate speculators, and city planners; the battles with goon squads and with the police; is all effectively presented in the documentary film Woolloomooloo. Sydney poet Denis Kevans and Builders Laborers organizer Seamus Gill were in the thick of the fight and livened things up with such great songs as this one, patterned after the old sailors drinking song 'All for Me Grog.'" One of the protest songs featured in this film was this one:

Words by Denis Kevans and Seamus Gill © 1973
Tune: traditional "All for Me Grog"

Across the Western Suburbs

Oh, me name it is Fred,
In Sydney born and bred,
And the inner-city used to be my home, boys,
But it's caused me heart to grieve
For I've had to take me leave,
Now across the Western Suburbs I must roam, boys.

Chorus:

Under concrete and glass,
Sydney's disappearing fast;
It's all gone for profit and for plunder;
Though we really want to stay,
They keep driving us away,
Now across the Western suburbs we must wander.

Now where is me house,
Me little terrace house?
It's all gone for profit and for plunder,
For the wreckers of the town
Just came up and knocked it down;
Now across the Western Suburbs we must wander...

Thanks to Bob Bolton, I had the pleasure of meeting Denis in Blackheath back in 2001, sang some songs with him and raised a glass or two.

It's undoubtedly true that Victoria St. is highly gentrified now but I was under the impression that much of the low lying neighborhood behind the Finger Wharf is still low and moderate income residential, something which was not in the original "urban renewal" plan. What seems to have happened is a more gradual "displacement," with a few dramatic highrise condos sticking up like the sore thumbs they are, as you've pointed out.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: JudyB
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 06:56 AM

Thanks, Sandra!

I know we'd talked a little about the saving of Victoria Street while we were strolling along it, but I wasn't taking notes and couldn't remember enough details to add anything to the words on the plaque.

I've changed the caption for the Finger Wharf - not sure where I got the idea it was called the Pier.

JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 06:40 AM

Judy, I had to laugh when I re-read the bit about Victoria St being the home of low-aid people again. I think only rich folk can afford to live there now!!

But without the Builders Labourers Federation & their Green Bans we would have lost all the old buildings in Victoria St & the whole street would have been covered by buildings like the monstrosity behind the remaining 19th century free-standing mansions & terraces. I think I have a pic of the edifice, if so I'll send it to you when I can. It is lengthy & also high - lots of rich folks are crammed into that building.

For those not in the know, the BLF invented Green Bans. It's a bit hard for developers to destroy buildings or trees if the union that does the work refuses!

They were a militant left wing union, and made strange bed-fellows with the middle-class women who saved Duffy's Forest. It was one thing for left wingers & tree huggers to lay down in front of bulldozers, but imagine the fuss when nice ladies did the same AND got help from the BLF.

The current right wing government has done a lot to destroy union power in Oz. (ps. the previous so-called Labour govt did their bit, too.)

sandra

another ps. The FINGER WHARF at the Loo might be a Pier but is has never been called that. The Finger Wharf is the Finger Wharf - even tho rich folks live there in apartments & other rich folks dine or stay in the boutique hotel that shares the wharf with the apartments. In it's working days it was the embarkation point for Australian troops leaving for WWI & WWII.


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 01:26 PM

Great pictures. Thanks for taking us along on your Ozzie trek. It's been a great trip!


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: GUEST,JudyB
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 12:47 PM

In the rush to get the site up before the New Year, and the hassle of debugging it, I'd forgotten that I'd planned to explain a couple of things like "Wollemi Pine" and Mick Fowler - I've added details on them now (they're both on the "Around Sydney" page), and can fill in a little more information on some of the other pictures if there are any that aren't that clear. Don't know the names of all the fish - I was more interested in floating around looking at them all than listening to the talk on the ecology of the reef - but we know a little more than we wrote about most of the other photos.

I think at this point everyone can access the site through Charley's web site, and maybe someday we'll figure out why a whole continent can't reach mine.

Happy New Year!
JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 08:48 AM

Thanks, Roger!

I thought you were from the UK, which I probably could have determined by accessing your personal membership file...

So we still have a mystery why our new "DSL" Verizon website isn't accessible Downunder. The Verizon tech person whom Judy finally connected with had no suggestions, did not consider it a conflict with Verizon.AU which was our best thought. We've probably run up against some kind of global firewall, either imposed by Australian authorities or little green men in flying saucers.

Maybe, I'll PM a few more Mudcatters around the world and see if we can more closely define the bounderies of this "protective bubble." We are pleased to learn that our old "dial-up" website is accessible Downunder.

Be nice to get some feedback from other Sydney folks when they wind their way back from the glorious folk music festival.

It's still 2003 around here. Happy 2004 to you!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 03:52 AM

Charley, I'm in Ascot, UK, on AOL and Windows XP.

RtS


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Naemanson
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 10:38 PM

Actually Charley I worked it out once. It's about 8,000 miles.

As for my pictures I have very few of people and I distinctly remember Charley and Judy threatening my life if I showed the first ones I took of them.

However, I too need a scanner and I am not sure if my poor computer could handle it. One of my co-workers has a business wherein he builds custom computers. I'm thinking of going to him for my next desktop.


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 09:17 AM

I've been so busy looking at the pics & sending links to others who were there I forgot to say THANKYOU to JudyB for all her work.

I intended to buy a scanner soon, but my clothes drier has just died & I gotta dry my clothes! Tho as I've been spending so much money recently (lots of To me From me clothing pressies!!) I might as well buy 'em both.

sandra


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 08:54 AM

And Brett in Guam can apparently view the original website because he's still in the USA, although in a territory some distance west of Maine and New Hampshire.

I'm not sure where Roger the Skiffler is located.

Wonder what the website looks like from Iceland?

Anyway, it's time that someone else who had a camera working posted some images. Maybe they better send them directly to Mudcat for posting, unless they enjoy solving website puzzles as much as Judy does.

Hey, we did have fun and sometimes there were no pictures taken. Maybe we should start working the Journal up into verse!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, with too much time on his hands


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: GUEST,JudyB
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 08:37 AM

Hooray! Thanks, Freda!!

And thanks for the additional info, Foolestroupe. I'm wondering if the trouble with my Verizon site is that Verizon as a company and possibly web provider is also in Australia, and I need to add a "us" or something somewhere so it knows which one to look for - I think Charley heard from someone in Britain who could see our Verizon site, so it isn't just folks in the US who could use it. Oh well - immediate problem solved. I'll work on the other one some other day.

Thanks again to everyone who helped debug this!

JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 08:08 AM

Hi Judy and Charlie

I have just looked through them and saved some - what great photos. Thanks for going to all that trouble - I presume that if it's worked for me, everyone else will get in as well.

It's late here & I'm off to sleep

happily

freda


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 08:05 AM

using MSIEv6

http://mysite.verizon.net/ipbar/photos_end.htm
--->
The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

Trace mysite.verizon.net ---> nothing

#    IP address       Host name                               Round trip time
1    203.61.3.15      tnt9.bne1.da.uu.net                         112 ms
2    203.61.1.1       Unavailable                                  120 ms
3    210.80.32.57    351.AT-3-0-0.XR1.BNE1.ALTER.NET             111 ms
4    210.80.2.105    0.SO-6-1-0.XR1.SYD4.ALTER.NET                126 ms
[snip]
13   157.130.135.2    vzlink-gw.customer.ALTER.NET                313 ms
14   206.46.128.85    gigchannel9-1--12-1.core1.dfw-tx.vzlink         312 ms
15                   No response                        
16                   No response                        
17                   No response                        
18                   No response                        


~~~~~~~~~~
http://home.gwi.net/~ipbar/home.htm
looks OK
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://home.gwi.net/~ipbar/oz/oz_index.htm
looks ok


Robin


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: GUEST,JudyB
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:06 AM

Oops - forgot to insert a clicky to the new location - I'm really not a morning person, and it's still quite early here....

Australia photos on Charley Noble's site

Maybe Verizon only lets you look if they think they can sell you phone service - who knows. Time for coffee!

And please let me know if this works.

Thanks,
JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: GUEST,JudyB
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 07:00 AM

OK - I've now moved the whole "photos of Oz" web site from my ISP's server to Charley's ISP's server (thank goodness I have DSL at last). Seems odd that my ISP would be blocking folks from Australia, but I can't figure why else all the pages are coming up "can't be displayed" when I used the same general format with no problems for the China Seas photos on Charley's site. Please let us know if those of you who could not see the photos before can open the pages now. (Thanks for the additional confirmation of the problem, Hrothgar!)

I have posted a very basic page on my web site at http://mysite.verizon.net/ipbar/webtest.htm and will see if anyone's available to help me figure out what's going on once folks get back from the festivals.

Thanks for your patience, and here's hoping....

And, Brett, the boat was with Charley's camera, the next two are with my disposable and most of the pieces in the collage are mine, and the rest of the fish are Charley's pictures (I think). The big picture of the James Craig is also Charlie's, though the people singing and the Craig at night are mine.

    JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 06:52 AM

Judy & Charley - in answer to your email & the threads above - nuffin'

I use Netscape 4.7 & even tho I have "Charley Noble" in my bookmarks every attempt last night & tonight was with the links on your emails & on this thread.

Some responses -
..................
29 Dec 03 - 09:41 AM

And Judy's last thought is that maybe the "alias" we use for the website that the Oz images are stored on is screwing things up
for some users. Try this link:Direct Link to Downunder

MESSAGE RECEIVED -
Gateway Timeout

The following error occurred:

Server unreachable


Please contact the administrator.
..........................

using link on thread of 29/12 4.33

What happens if you go directly to this page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/ipbar/photos_end.htm

MESSAGE -
Gateway Timeout

The following error occurred:

[code=GATEWAY_TIMEOUT] A gateway timeout occurred. The server is unreachable. Retry the request.


Please contact the administrator.
....................................

Next I went to Netscape Search & I put the following into Google http://mysite.verizon.net/ipbar/photos_end.htm
& got 4 rubbishy links telling me that verizon costs a few dollar a month & that is a phone service, too!!

I got the same 4 messages when I put in www.mysite.verizon.net/ipbar/photos

.................

I give up!

Maybe you can email a pic or 2 so I can see what they look like.

I'll be back at work Friday so I'll send the various inks to work & see what happens.

sandra


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 03:39 AM

Great Pix!

RtS


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: freda underhill
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 02:42 AM

hi Charlie and Judy

many folkies in sydney have gone to either the Woodford folk festival of the gulgong ones, and will be there right now. I've been distracted by the need for peace and quiet. so you might get a few more responses in another few days when Bob,JennyO and others return.

freda


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Hrothgar
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 01:44 AM

I get "This page cannot be displayed" oin all of them - although, oddly enough, I went as far as Charley's web site earlier and clicked on the link in the website before getting the "This page ..." message.

Now, why is Brett special? Or has he not really seen the pictures and he's having a lend of you?


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Naemanson
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 12:24 AM

I have been thinking of carrying a baggy of water around and telling people it was a snowball some friends sent me. Go ahead and send me a jar of snow. It would be a hoot to open it at the office.

I've been wondering. Were any of the underwater pictures taken with Charley's new camera? Or were they all taken by the professional level photographer in the family?

Huh, it's raining again. Yesterday I was driving around under a blue sky with some big clouds floating in it. Suddenly it started to pour rain on me and I couldn't see any cloud big enough to cause that kind of down pour. Mostly I saw blue sky. Curiouser and curiouser...


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: GUEST,JudyB
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 10:13 PM

I'm curious - if anyone in Australia can actually open the web site and view at least one of the images, please let me know. Maybe I should have put them in meters or centigrade or liters or something.... I know there's probably some simple thing that's causing the problems, but I can't for the life of me think what it might be. Brett can see them in Guam, I can see them on every computer I've got my hands on (including this one, which has home firewall features, and my computer at work, which has industrial-strength barriers, and Charlie's computer, which has somewhat older software and a slower connection), a friend in New Hampshire can see them - and Charlie's web site (which I also designed using the same tools) works fine (though it doesn't have enough room to just move the photos there, unless I do 5 a day and rotate them or something).

Suggestions?

Thanks,
JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 05:34 PM

Also if you get to a page of "thumbnails" with captions, if you click on one it should fill your whole screen. Totally awesome if you try that with an image with Brett in it.

We need more detailed feedback on what people are seeing. There are lots of images posted with NAKED fish swimming around, for those with a purient interest.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: GUEST,JudyB
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 05:06 PM

Landlady's Daughter is sort of a generic we use for housing songs (how could someone named Charley Noble be an expert on downtrodden landlords?) - and, in fact, I think Charlie's used it a lot more than I have. I rarely feel a need to do more than lurk and read about places where it's always rainy (it may have only been 50 degrees (F) here today - but it was sunny!) - but when I do chime in, it's usually as the one and only JudyB (well, the only one I know).

My office computer is new and running Windows XP (which we agree stands for eXtra Pain) - so having an ancient computer isn't a requirement for seeing the site. But I think I will change the page names to 8.3 style and see if that helps - though I won't be home for another hour or two.

We'll be happy to send you some snow....

JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Naemanson
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 04:47 PM

Hey! Who was that masked woman? Was that the mysterious Landlady's Daughter?

Maybe I can get it because my computers are antiquated and imperfect.

By the way, Charley and Judy, can you send me more pictures like the last one in your photo essay? Every time I see the snow piled up I get this urge to laugh...


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: GUEST,JudyB
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 04:33 PM

What happens if you go directly to this page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/ipbar/photos_end.htm

There are only two little photos on that page, so it should load faster, in case that's the problem.

Do you get:
"The page cannot be found"?
Something like "HTTP 404" and a bunch of strange info?
A page with nothing on it?
A page with a headline and two boxes with captions but no pictures?
Something else all together?

Are you using Internet Explorer or Netscape or some other browser?
PC or Mac?
Any idea what version of the browser?

The more info you can provide, the more chance I have of figuring what's going on here - I know it works for some people and not for others, and I have no idea what the difference is.

Usually most things that work correctly on both my fast PC with Internet Explorer at work and Charlie's dial-up Mac with Netscape at home will work anywhere - but clearly that's not the case this time.

Two other links to try, if you've got a couple of minutes to help with debugging:

This one uses the "hidden" name behind the warm-and-fuzzy ipbar:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7va5p/photos_end.htm

And this one goes to the highly boring main page of my site - and might work when the other pages don't because the page name is less than 8 characters - most computers these days don't care how many characters there are in the title of a document, but some older ones might:
http://mysite.verizon.net/ipbar/index.htm

Oh - and this one has 8 characters and the underlying page name:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7va5p/index.htm

If the 8-character thing is the problem, you won't be able to see the rest of the site - just the index - but that will tell me what to fix when I get home.

Thanks for your help!

A perplexed JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 03:03 PM

still hoping,despite your best cyber-gymnastics!


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 10:10 AM

Thanks, Tom. I was beginning to think that only Brett could access the site.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: curmudgeon
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 09:48 AM

All the links work fine for us; thanks Charley -- Tom


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 09:41 AM

And Judy's last thought is that maybe the "alias" we use for the website that the Oz images are stored on is screwing things up for some users. Try this link:Direct Link to Downunder

This is getting tedious. Is anyone getting through?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Dec 03 - 08:42 AM

We're got a favorable report from Brett about the Oz images on our website but several other people are experiencing problems accessing it. That could be because their browsers have security concerns about flitting between our secondary websites where the Oz images are actually stored and our main Charley Noble website. Try this direct link:Oz Foray Images

And then please post here if you manage to get access! We're really not trying to make this virtual trip more difficult than the original.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble and JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Dec 03 - 07:24 PM

The selected digital images and the edited journal of this thread are NOW up on my personal website:Charley Noble Website

So go there and have a good time too!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble and JudyB


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: JennieG
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 08:04 PM

Hi Charley,

I'll keep an eye out for the images - I'd like to see them too! And I envy you your Christmas weather; the forecast here is for very hot.

Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 01:36 PM

Ah! That's who "freda" is. Please PM me your e-mail address.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 01:30 PM

thanks for this charley - i look forward to seeing them! I hope you and judy have a lovely christmas & new year!

best wishes - freda (amalina)


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 12:51 PM

A sampling of our digital images, and some by other folks, will be on my personal website between Xmas and New Year's:Charley Noble Website

There is also an edited version of this Thread Journal in Word.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: OZ Foray from Maine & Guam-Late November
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Dec 03 - 08:54 AM

Ours are still in the editing process but at least we've got a laptop "slide show" loaded for the holiday relatives. We should be able to select a dozen or so images for Mudcat and place a few more on our personal website. Never fear, you'll get your JPEG's by-and-by!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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