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BS: Is anyone in fire danger?

Deckman 03 Aug 03 - 10:31 PM
Amos 03 Aug 03 - 11:27 PM
Billy the Bus 03 Aug 03 - 11:49 PM
Ebbie 04 Aug 03 - 12:03 AM
Deckman 04 Aug 03 - 12:21 AM
Billy the Bus 04 Aug 03 - 12:48 AM
rangeroger 04 Aug 03 - 01:03 AM
Mudlark 04 Aug 03 - 01:05 AM
Metchosin 04 Aug 03 - 02:43 AM
Dave Swan 04 Aug 03 - 03:47 AM
GUEST 04 Aug 03 - 06:01 AM
Billy the Bus 04 Aug 03 - 06:38 AM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 04 Aug 03 - 06:40 AM
Deckman 04 Aug 03 - 07:25 AM
Rapparee 04 Aug 03 - 08:12 AM
Billy the Bus 04 Aug 03 - 08:15 AM
artbrooks 04 Aug 03 - 08:38 AM
Deckman 04 Aug 03 - 09:02 AM
Willie-O 04 Aug 03 - 10:14 PM
Deckman 04 Aug 03 - 10:22 PM
GUEST 05 Aug 03 - 12:04 AM
Rapparee 05 Aug 03 - 08:56 AM
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Subject: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Deckman
Date: 03 Aug 03 - 10:31 PM

Bride Judy and I live in downtown Everett, Washington, U.S.A. We're about 30 miles North of Seattle. We spent the afternoon on the roofs of our house and sheds and wooodshop wetting everything down with hoses. Middle of the afternoon, I spotted a tall smoke column in woods about a quarter mile away. We live close to a large green belt that is very dry. This is being the dryest Summer in years. Within ten minutes, the smoke turned into a crown fire, going from tree top to tree top. We alerted the neighbors and everyone started soaking their roofs.

The fire was under controll in an hour and everything is O.K. Tonight is a time of good neighborhhod visiting and goodwill.

But, I'm wondering how many of you are living in serious fire danger?

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 03 - 11:27 PM

Got my fingers crossed for you, Bob, and anyone else along the Western fire belt.

Glad you dodged that bullet, anyway!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 03 Aug 03 - 11:49 PM

My thoughts are with you too! The fire was a major wireless news item here a few hours back, and I wondered if any Catters were close by. Pleased to hear you're OK Bob - have a great night of goodwill.

For those who aren't current with the news, here's the most recent I could find about the Canadian Bushfire

Sam - in NZ


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 12:03 AM

Thank God that Juneau, Alaska is in a rain forest (temperate), because if we ever had a drought the fire danger would be extreme. The ocean is in front of us and heavily forested mountains are right in back of us. Juneau is a linear town 46 miles long and mostly not more than a mile wide anywhere in its length. If a forest fire started, we'd have no place to go. There's a bridge about a quarter mile long that goes to a largish island - can you picture 30,000 people trotting across it?

The official all time record for dry in Juneau is 28 days. I've never seen it keep from raining that long, but in the spring we often have two week periods when it doesn't rain. I can tell you that the very air tastes different then, kind of dusty and heavy. I love our normal sweet, moist, breathable-to-the-toes air...

Like most of us, I expect, I've been around a few grass fires, and they're scary enough. Can't even picture how I would feel watching a forest on fire. Stay safe, everybody.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 12:21 AM

Those poor folks up in Kamloops, B.C. Canada, area. I can't begin to imagine what they are going through. Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 12:48 AM

Ye Gods Bob! Is Kamloops part of your fire, or are several going? I can't quite work it out from the radio. I've just checked Everett, Juneau and Kamloops out on Expedia. Looks like I'll learn some Western Seaboard geography from this disaster - Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: rangeroger
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 01:03 AM

Hallelujah,we've had rain last night and today.After suffering through almost a month of temps in the high 90's to 100's we have been dry,dry dry,in the Panhandle of North Idaho.

There are several fires going east of me in Montana (Glacier Park) but the rain should have stopped the ones near me in Idaho.

rr


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Mudlark
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 01:05 AM

Bob...My thoughts are with you. All of us who live in fire areas know the sort of 6th sense that develops in long very hot dry spells. Very glad you came thru this close call...will keep my fingers X'd for all who live in fire danger. Last bad one thru this area was not long ago, and with dry conditions and high temps now, even cutting the barley here, that puts us all at risk, can cause a fire, from catalytic converter or sparks from a rock. All tractor work is banned here past 10AM for that reason. Scary as grass fires are, however, I don't think there is anything more frightening than a tall tree fire that "goes to crownin'" as one old-timer put it. Stay safe.    nancy


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Metchosin
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 02:43 AM

As of August 2, a provincial state of emergency has been declared in BC. There are now 353 active fires in BC over 38,000 hectares with 25 new fires started within the past 24 hours. The major ones are the Chilko Lake fire, the Cedar Hills Fire notheast of Vernon and the Maclure Fire north of Kamloops, which has burned through a number of small towns including Barriere. There are currently 1,800 firefighters engaged. The fire hazard is deemed extreme in most of the southern half of the province, including the southern half of Vancouver Island where I live.

We've had a couple of small fires in the local area in past few days (thankfully both contained, with no residential damage or loss of life). One was about three miles from here. It was reported to have been started by a goose hitting a hydro line. Got to see the Mars water bombers in action on Friday at my Mom's. The things are massive and spectacular to watch, if you can separate yourself from the fear that residents near the fire are feeling. One of my good friend's father was killed when a Mars he was flying crashed when I was younger, near the fire they were fighting on Friday. Brought back a lot of memories.

Although a few of the fires are believed to have been the result of arson or human carelessness, most of the fires have been started by lightning in what is reputed to be the dryest year since the Forest Service has been keeping records.

We're always paranoid during the summer months on the southern part of the Island, as we rarely get any rain between June and October. My heart starts thumping hard every time I hear a helicopter or small plane overhead and we're always sniffing the wind. I'm headed off to the Mt. Assiniboine area of Alberta on hoseback for a week and there is a large fire in the Crowsnest Pass area between Alberta and BC, and one in the Assiniboine Park area that I hope won't have any impact on the ride, as I haven't had a holiday in a couple of years. Guess having a spoiled holiday is a small price to pay compared to what others are going through.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Dave Swan
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 03:47 AM

Just a reminder from one of the firefighters here on the 'cat. Take a look at you home and surroundings and create defensible space to give your home a better chance of being by-passed by wildfire. Defensible space and non-combustible roofing material have been well demonstrated to be major factors in the survival of homes located in a fire's path.

Firefighters can be faced with the heart breaking task of identifying those structures which stand a chance of being defended and those which are clearly not defensible. Make defending your house an easy choice for responding fire crews. Create defensible space.

D


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 06:01 AM

Words of wisdom, great advice Dave. Metal roofs and clear cuts around the house go a long way to prevent damage to buildings. A small price to pay for peace of mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 06:38 AM

Metchosin...

Many thanks for your post. I've been a flying boat fan since I was a kid in the 50s and watched the Short Solents landing in Wellington, after the trip from Sydney. We had an interview with a crew member of the trial flight of the first flying boat from the UK to NZ in 1940, on the wireless, a couple of weeks back. It was fantastic. I have an excellent NZ website bookmarked that let me follow his description of the interior of the plane as he talked, and could follow their track on Expedia.

I'd heard of the Mars, and thanks to you did a search which found Flying Tankers Inc straight off. The videos they have are short, but incredible. Just two of the biggest WWII flying boats left, and both near you. They would have to be the most efficient bushfire-fighting tools going, and they are 50 years old! How far have we advanced with technology?

Give your friend ??? Richman(?) a cuddle from me - I've lost a few fine friends in bush-flying prangs, and understand.

Dave

As an ex-fire-fighter I apprectiated your "defensible space" link. I've fought a few scrub fires, and lost me whiskers and eyebrows once, when a couple of 44gal drums of Av-Gas "went off" within a few feet of me. Nothing like what your fire-crews are having to contend with.

All I ask is it doesn't get so bad that you have to import NZ fire-crews to help! They went to California a few years back, and to Aussie earlier this year.

All the best in your current battles.

Sam - in NZ


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 06:40 AM

Bob, I wish I could send some of our rain in New England to you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 07:25 AM

Our fire was just a neighborhood woods fire that scared the heck out of everyone. We went by the fire station tonight and thanked everyone. Bride Judy and I have cancelled our planned camping trip to the mountains this yesr. It's just too dry and dangerous. In my years and years of long solo backpacking trips in the Olympic Mountains, I've been close to two wildfires. I've seen the Borate bombers come overhead and drop their red powder. That has to be some of the most demading flying possible. CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 08:12 AM

Over 6,600 acres (2,700+ hectares) have burned in and around Pocatello, Idaho so far this summer. Fortunately, we've had rain this weekend, the first in about 10 weeks that amounted to anything. The fire danger has gone down but has hardly disappeared, as there is no chance at all of more rain after tomorrow and the temperatures are going back to the 90s and 100s.

The last fire was about 30 miles way and destroyed three barns and a house. Luckily, the no one and no animals were injured in the 4,500 acre blaze. It was started by a "transient," who was arrested.

The other big one was 2,100 acres and was started by young men playing with fireworks. No arrests yet. That was about 10 miles away.

Around here these are grass and brush fires -- we don't have the forests that rr does up north. They spread very quickly among the dry grasses and sagebrush and the flames can reach 40 and 50 feets high. They can move far faster than you can, and the usual method of control is fire fighers and retardant bombers: control the edges and let them burn out the middle.

Since it's rained I'm afraid that some folks will think the drought is over and the fire danger nonexistent. Foolishness will folloow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 08:15 AM

Doncha learn on Mudcat? I'd never heard of "Borate bombers" so did a quick Google search on the term when I saw Bob's post. Now all is explained. I never got zotted with Agent Orange in 'Nam, but was exposed to it's components, 2-4-D and 2453-T, while weed-spraying in the 60s. That explains why I am now totally cranky... Anyway...

Hit the Deck Man - I'd rather have a Martin Mars doing the fire-bombing (fill-time in seconds) than a B-17 full of powder. Water gets you wet, but doesn't have long term effects like the powder.

Keep your peckers up - those in the fire-zone

Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: artbrooks
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 08:38 AM

We had a fire in the Rio Grande bosque just before the 4th of July...the bosque is a long, thin sprip of forest that runs along the river and goes through the center of Albuquerque...started by three teens that wanted to see what happened when you toss firecrackers into a pile of cottonwood seeds. What they got was an instant crown fire. Nobody was hurt, and it was out within two days, but about 25 homeless folks who lived in the woods were permanently displaced. Total loss was under 1000 acres, but that's a good bit when you're talking about a forest that's less than a quarter-mile across. It was 6-7 miles from where I live, but only 1/4 mile from where I was volunteering the day it began-and a crowning fire is very impressive at that distance.

There have been some positive results. The city and state have both promised to put some effort and money into bosque restoration. That translates to removing the giant metal jacks left over from the "wild river" days, so fire-fighting equipment can get through, and cleaning out a lot of the undergrowth, which the various tree-hugger groups (and I belong to a couple) have been pushing for years. A lot of that is fire-prone and thirsty "alien" plants, like the Russian olive and salt cedar/tamarisk. We may even end up with a river that's a little less tame...the cottonwoods can't reproduce without occasional flooding.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 09:02 AM

When the fire was at it's peak yesterday, one of the more frightening aspects was the SOUND! First we started to hear the snapping and crackling sounds, then it started roaring as it took off through the tree crowns. At that point, it started to create it's own windstorm. Something like that will sure make on humble. Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Willie-O
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 10:14 PM

Canadian fire news today is that they're calling in the armed forces to B.C., giving them a two-day crash course in fire-fighting and putting them on the lines.

I live on a lot that's 7 acres of mostly cedar. I'm mystified as to why we approximately never get forest fires around here. We sure have the fuel load, thanks to all the tinder-dry debris from the ice storm of 5 years ago.   Consequently, I'm completely in sync with Dave Swan's comments. I'm a big fan of steel roofing, and one of my hobbies is keeping my bush road clear enough to
  1. provide a firebreak and
  2. be accessible to fire vehicles.

    W-O


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 10:22 PM

Where do you live Willie-O and what color is your white hair? Our neighborhood filled up with strong smoke again tonight. All the firetrucks and cops are out cruising around looking for the fire, but no ones spotted it yet. It's enough to make one give up smoking (which I did 35 years ago). CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 12:04 AM

Nope!



Clean-up your lot and surrounding brush. Why should you expect the rest of the tax-payers to pay for your "Sangralai"?



More 30 miles and south and stop squawking. Most of us don't give a hoot, until you siphon-off dollars, OUR DOLLORS! for air-tankers and hellicopters.



May you burn in peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 08:56 AM

Guest -- either your spell-checker is broken or you've lost your dictionary. Thought you'd like to know before your misspellings make your postings completely unreadable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 03:11 PM

we know those spelling errors and "quotation marks" and LARGE TYPE...and especially that attitude ...they remind us one one guest in particular


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Deckman
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 03:35 PM

Perhaps I should change the thread title from: "Is Anyone In Fire Danger" to something like "Is Anyone In Danger Of Being Fired!" Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 03:42 PM

...or, "Is Anyone In Danger Of Being Fried"


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Deckman
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 03:45 PM

Too funny! Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 05:24 AM

I saw a fire in the woods in NZ in 1986 - not a sight I would wish on anyone. We could see the smoke plume for 20 miles, and could tell the moment it got sploshed with the water carrier. The UK has had it's share of fires, but nothing like the scale of those in the States. My suggested punishment for those who start them wouldn't be a prison term or a fine, I'd make them do community service with the fire department or paramedics and let them see first hand the misery, pain and damage they've caused.

Thinking of you, and praying for a good long soaking spell of rain - the odd shower isn't going to do a thing but just run off the baked surface and take away the leaf litter - it won't stop the crown fires.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 08:22 AM

The day before yesterday the roof at Idaho State University's under-construction performing arts center burned. No huge fire, no one was injuried, but the finish date will be pushed waaaaaaaaaay back and the cause is under investigation.

The center is needed; it's getting harder to stage something like "Hamlet" while the semifinals of the Dodge National Rodeo is on at the same time. 8-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: open mike
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 11:14 AM

good advice about the defensible space, Dave.
and i believe Borade is a liquid.
the helipcopters that do aerial support
have bambi buckets which can dip 300+
gallons from a water source (river, lake)
and the Martin Mrs holds tons of water.
it scoops it up by flying low with its
hold door open and then can deliver
over 50,000 gallons as i recall.
i saw it in operation once when the
CA fleet was grounded due to t mechanical
problem. i was in the look out tower and
it was conductin training or demonstation
in clear view on tha lake below!
impressive!
another impressive sight i saw was on
july fourth--i saw tow bald eagles
in the sky near the look out tower!
( i think htey may have bben doing a mating
dance--i fetl like i should not have been
looking--but couldn't help it!!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Deckman
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 03:59 PM

Hey Open Mike, There's an story circulating around about the strange body they found after a forest fire. It was dressed in Scuba gear, complete with tanks and flippers. They therorized it was a Scuba diver that had been sucked into the belly tanks of a plane that was loading for a big water drop. I have no idea as to whether this is a fact or a legend! Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 06:33 PM

It ain't true about the scuba diver.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Deckman
Date: 06 Aug 03 - 08:10 PM

Thankyou guest! I am much relieved. I can go diving tonight after all! Bob(deckman)Nelson!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Aug 03 - 03:31 PM

Borate is a slurry, a fertilizer mixed with water and dropped on fires to smother them. It stings if you get hit with it.

Bob, when the fire was put out they probably didn't get all of the hot spots, it takes a lot of mop up to get them. That's the worst part of the firefighters job, most forest fire fighters will tell you--me included! I worked for the Forest Service back in the 1970's in timber and firefighting jobs, along with many "duties as assigned," including "weather watcher" on fires (taking readings hourly) and as backup lookout in North Mountain, near Darrington. It's dangerous work, very hard work, very dull work, but also very exciting work.

It reached 109 in Fort Worth, Texas yesterday, and is expected to do the same again today. The grass and trees are tinder dry and the humidity is very low. I step outside and sniff the air regularly since there are a couple of hundred acres across the road from us where kids play. Only thing about it being this hot--the kids probably aren't out there playing!

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Aug 03 - 10:37 PM

Another hundred acres or so burned about 10 miles away yesterday, according to the newspaper. This one was apparently started by a car.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 11:57 AM

Not exaxctly in danger, but Mr. just left with the Search and Rescue team to go to the Rawhide Butte fire. At least 150 acres of pasture, terrain too rough for dozers and trucks. About 75 people fighting it, nearest structure is 1 mile from the fire and fire is about 40 miles from Torrington.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: mg
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 12:17 PM

why don't we voluntarily or by law build houses and buildings out of concrete, stone, whatever, at least in high fire risk places. Likewise sensible roofing material. I heard in France they only build with masonry of some sort because they don't care to put out fires there..It would help save the forests, although not the workers in the industry, and would transfer money spent on wood either to local stone sources our places where they have nothing but rocks to sell, bringing income there....I know you have to weigh fire danger against earthquake danger, and stick houses do well in earthquakes..also why do they build houses out of sticks in hurricane alley? mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 12:40 PM

There are guidelines for building within a fire zone (and really, most places can burn if the conditions are right). For instance, keeping a watered lawn for 30 yards around a building, not building a deck out over a gulch/gulley/ravine/arroyo/waddy/whateveryoucallit, building a house back from such a feature, not putting in high plantings around a house, keeping the area around the house clear of burnable materials -- all good sense.

Metal or tile roofs help some, too. So many of the places have shake roofs or asphalt!

The material the place is constructed of isn't of great consequence, for if the internal temperature gets high enough the contents will burn and the structure can be damaged by that beyond use. Might as well have it burn down, because you'll have to start fresh no matter what.

And those fires can get vicious, to the point that they create
firestorms (such as might result from bombings) and even their own weather.

Best thing to do is to pray for cooler weather and good rains.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 12:58 PM

This fire last week was 1/2 mile from my house. Thank goodness it didn't spread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 01:24 PM

The smoke from the Rawhide fire is causing a haze here in town. I think it must be spreading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 04:16 PM

This comes along with an Urban Legend about when and who took the photo, but it is still an darned interesting photo. Lots of sites will tell you it's a photo by an employee of some federal agency (take your pick) who can't sell a photo taken on the job (in various Northwestern states). Here is another interesting one. Nomex special. Lots of good forest fire photos on google.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 06:46 PM

I don't have it, but my wife's cousin took a picture of the fire he was smoke-jumping. Of course, he landed away from it, but to see the flames directly under you....

He also had another one he took of a lightning strike on a nearby mountain, again taken in the air as he was jumping on a fire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: GUEST,Sorch, on the IP site
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 07:38 PM

All three of those look like the big Yellowstone fire a few years ago, Maggie. Can't imagine fire jumping.....Mr. still not home and it's almost dark. He HAS to work at the Cop Shop in the morning.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 08:02 PM

Well, he just called. Is on his way home but it will be a couple hours at least.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 08:09 PM

I think the big one with the elk is credited as in Alaska, though it might possibly be Montana. Those Yellowstone fires were big, but I've been on fires in Washington State (and hiked trails after fires passed) that look just like that, when viewed on the local scale. Actually, the area after a fire can be spectacularly beautiful. The standing boles will silver once the bark peels and the sun hits the exposed wood. The flowers are positively luxuriant after a fire. There are patterns they follow, first the fire weed, later the nitrogen fixers. . .the animals and birds that arrive are following the path of the fire, for years to come.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 08:52 PM

Yes, wild fire does have a purpose. It's just that humans tend to get in the way.........


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 09:31 PM

First, I want people, wildlife and homes to stay safe. Second, that's an interesting point from mary garvey. Those points made.... I was struck by comments in today's UK papers following the warmest day ever recorded in the UK (38.1C).

Prof Gwyn Prins, who advises the UK Ministry of Defence and NATO on the security implications of global warming said: "Two years ago the CIA, through the National Intelligence Council, published its view of global trends over the next 15-20 years. This gives very high priority to global environmental change as a driver of instability and hence insecurity."

Another UK government adviser, Jonathan Porritt, said that despite these predictions, leading polluters would respond only when forced to do so. "In particular the US won't do anything until it affects the US heartland."

Porritt said that what would make a difference was a rapid worsening of US weather extremes - "tornados, cyclones and all the rest of it... I'm sorry to say that this is the only thing likely to move them on this agenda."

So roll on those hurricanes, storms and fires - they might do the whole world a big favour. But roll on only enough to wake the administration. I repeat that I don't want to see people, wildlife and homes coming to harm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 09:51 PM

Montana,
in the Bitterroots.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Metchosin
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 11:18 AM

Just got word that the Okanagan Mountain Park fire has spread south during the night towards Naramata. Talked to a dear friend yesterday who was on evacuation alert. Her house is on the park boundary north and east of Naramata so I guess its gone up in smoke as of this morning.

She said if I heard the worst on the news in the next few days not to worry, she would be out and the animals would be safe and that was all that really mattered to her right now.

All she bothered to gathered up was some pictures and a few business papers, as her husband had just died two months ago at a very young age of a massive heart attack.

She figured it would also be fitting that she loose her home to wildfire too, as a fitting end to the cycle. So damned sad. A nice rousing chorus of Stan Roger's Rise Again by Mudcatters in honour of my friend Helga would seem appropriate. Although I don't know if it will help when you have lost all three - "a home, a love and a friend".....will be seeing her later this month and the words will be difficult.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Metchosin
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 11:40 AM

Just spoke to Helga and half of Okanagan Mountain Park is gone already. The fire is burning in a big hoseshoe and the open ends were closing. She couldn't get back in yesterday afternoon to pick up a few afterthoughts, beyond what she has been carrying around in her truck for the past few days. She now staying with friends in Peachland and can't see across the lake to see if her house is still standing. All animals were evacuated and safe so far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is anyone in fire danger?
From: Alice
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 11:59 AM

The smoke has been filling our valley from all the fires upwind from us. I've been experiencing a scratchy throat from it an canceled a hike yesterday because it just isn't healthy to be out in the smoky air.

Alice in Montana


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