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Subject: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Strupag
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 06:23 PM

My Mudcat surfing and rambling, in the last 2 months or so, has been constantly interrupted by annoying pop up messages asking everything from reducing my debt to "stop annoying popups"
If there is a programme that does stop this I'm damned if I.m going to buy it from an offender.
Anyone got any advice?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 06:27 PM

Never had a pop-up on mudcat. Your service provider??


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Blackcatter
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 06:29 PM

Mudcat doesn't have pop-ups or ads of any kind outside of Mudcat stuff. Don't know what's going on, but I doubt if its Mudcat's issue.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: nutty
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 06:32 PM

I've never had a pop-up on Mudcat


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: mack/misophist
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 06:36 PM

Me too. No popups here. And I keep my popup supressor turned off most of the time. Check your machine for spy-ware. There's a free program called adaware you might want to look at. As for popups in general, do a google for freesare+popups. There used to be a bunch of them.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Amergin
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 06:37 PM

it sounds like that a program was downloaded that embedded itself into your browser...causing these popups...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: curmudgeon
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 07:12 PM

Some of the links, usually on the BS threads, do provide swell pop-ups; fortunately these are few and far between, for the nonce -- Tom


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: GUEST,Thespian
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 09:10 PM

I use "Kill-Popup" which I got from here. It works very well.
As said befroe, there is probably something sneaked into your computer which opens the door to pop-ups.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 09:18 PM

there are a couple of tricks used by advertisers these days...one is Pop-under ads

and here is a very technical discussion

the other is something like cookies, I think. (Can't find proper reference) they get on your machine and allow access thru some arcane loophole recently discovered.

They do NOT come from Mudcat, whatever they are.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bert
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 10:28 PM

They are not from Mudcat. Most likely they are from your ISP. I had the same problem when I was with AT&T. When I finally got a program installed to inhibit them, AT&T wouldn't work at all.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: mack/misophist
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 10:49 PM

Have you downloaded and installed anything like a search button for your browser? There is a man in Florida, operating out of a Hungarian URL who has been distributing ad-ware disguised that way.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: maire-aine
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 11:23 PM

As unpopular as AOL is with some folks, I've stayed with them. Their 8.0 version has a feature that blocks pop-ups very nicely. I notice the difference between my home computer and my office computer which uses Internet Explorer, but which isn't fitted with the blocking feature. And since I access it through our network, I can't customize it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 12:03 AM

With Netscape 7.0 you can set the Preferences to kill popups -- it's built in. I also use Norton Personal Firewall, which has a popup and ad killer.

YES! I kill popups and I'm proud of it! You hear me? Proud!! And I'm not sorry and I'll kill them again!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Mark Clark
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 02:28 AM

It sounds as though you may have downloaded some software that includes SpyWare like Gator or Kazaa. Spyware tracks your surfing and pops up adds tailored to your surfing behavior. This can be fixed. Visit the PC Pitstop Web site, register—it's safe—and perform their test suite being careful to follow all instructions. They will guide you through several performance and security improvements and should find any SpyWare on your system.

You should also consider programs such as Ad-aware and WinPatrol. These will keep you out of trouble in the future.

If you have a broadband connection, you should also be running a personal firewall such as Kerio.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Strupag
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 08:32 AM

Thanks for all your help folks - I'm stuffed for time now but when I get back I'm sure I'll sort it out.
While I'm on I 've found a program which I think was responsible. It's called "MY WAY".
I never consciously loaded it but now when I tried to delete it it says access denied. Any clues?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 08:45 AM

Spybot is excellent, free, and has been severely ripped off.

Here's a review. (You can download it from there too,)

Here's the Spybot website.

There IS a warning (as in this thread) that programs that require the stupid adware/spyware may not work if you ban it from your machine. If it's your ISP, you're probably stuck with it.


--- Spybot website link fixed. ---
---Jeff (PA)---


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: JennyO
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 11:13 AM

I've had popups on other websites, but never on Mudcat.

A few months ago I downloaded a thing called Hotbar, which allows you to customize emails. I was told later that it is spyware. However I'm not getting any more popups now than before I got it. All it does is display a toolbar of subjects that are relevant to the website I am visiting. F'rinstance, right now, the toolbar says Magazines, Blues, Jazz, Big Band, Hip hop, MP3. I just don't click on them, and I don't find it intrusive at all. Obviously it is tracking the websites I am visiting, but I can't see a lot of harm in it really, and I can send some really great-looking emails.

However, my son suggested Ad-aware if I wanted to get rid of it.

Jenny


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 12:11 PM

Jenny, Adware does the pop-ups. Spyware collects information from your computer: web pages visited, software you use and possibly personal information.

Try http://privacy.net/. You can analyze your system to see just what information any website can get from your computer. There's also a link to see how banner ads track where you go on the net and obtain information.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: NicoleC
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 12:21 PM

My Way is one of those "browsers helper objects" -- i.e. toolbar for Internet Explorer. While the company insist it's not spyware, we've all heard that tune before from software like Comet Cursor and Brodcast. Their web site says you can uninstall it from the Add/Remove Programs control panel, but you probably need to close IE first.

Does it really say "access denied" -- or some other message?

JennyO - the problem with tracking all the websites you visit is that spyware essentially opens a portal for collecting data from your computer and then broadcasting it to another server, without you having any control over the information collected or how it is used, even possibly including including web passwords and your online banking information. HotBar is particularly nasty. Plain English details on what is does here.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 01:42 PM

I have never had a pop-up on Mudcat--until about two months ago. But even though I have a pop-up blocker, I started getting pop-ups on everything. It turned out that some website I had visited had managed to deposit a program on my hard-disk (without my knowledge or permission) that was responsible for these pop-ups. Each time one appeared (several times a day) it had the same small logo at the upper left corner: "Save," and it was always telling me about how I could save money by going to this or that website, and it would provide a link. It was apparently keyed by some word on the website I was visiting at the time. I went to "Start/Find/Files or Folders" and located a "Save" folder that I didn't recall being there before. It had a text file and several other files, including an ".exe" file. The text file verified that this was the culprit. It said that this had been provided to me free of charge as a "service" and hoped I was enjoying my savings. Bingo! I deleted the whole "Save" folder. Haven't had any problems since.

It wasn't what you could call a "virus," but usually an incoming ".exe" file will trigger a big, red warning banner from my Norton AntiVirus program, but somehow this one got by.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: rangeroger
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 09:51 PM

An interesting thing happened to me while reading this thread. I access the Mudcat (and the rest of the internet) via webtv. The msn servers contain firewalls, anti-spam programs,and anti-virus programs, so I have very little to worry about with the crap that is out there.

I don't have a regular cursor on my screen. When I hit a blue-clicky, my browser forms a yellow box around the link. When I hit return the box lines turn green and I go to the linked page. When I come back, the blue-clicky is now purple to show that I have accessed that link.

On Jeri's above link to Spybot the box was red.I have never seen this before. When I cicked on it I got a message that the http:// was missing from the url and therefore msntv was unable to access the website.

Could this be part of the new Mudcat programming, to let me know the link is unusable? Or maybe it is something new to msntv.

Will have to experiment with other websites.

rr


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: NicoleC
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 10:47 PM

Hmm -- the link DOES have a http in front of it, but it's in Germany and doesn't start with "www." Here's the text of the link:

http://security.kolla.de/


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: JennyO
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 11:22 PM

I just tried that link and it worked fine. Go figure.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Pene Azul
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 11:28 PM

I fixed an error in that link. Nice program, by the way. Thanks, Jeri.

rangeroger, maybe your WebTV makes broken links red. See if it's still red, now.

Needless to say, The Mudcat does not have popup ads.

Jeff


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Deckman
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 11:30 PM

When all of my blockers, Norton, and everything else fails, I just enter WWW I Love You, in Finnish, and they leave me alone for the next six months! Bob


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 12:24 AM

MAX - is desperate for money!!

- he will grab any penny he can, through any means he can....to keep this forum alive.

Dontate some money - under your MudCat NAME - and the pop-ups will disappear.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 10:49 AM

idiot!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 12:11 PM

This thread set me off looking at other websites covering aspects of computer security. I installed and ran Spybot-search and destroy and found traces of all sorts of devoius little things which have been put onto my hard drive without my permission.
One useful site I thought I should add to the Blickies in this thread is FIND http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/ HERE . This site contains a list of parasite programmes which may get installed on your computer. Some of them claim to be doing a useful job, but all are either sending data about your computer to somebody who does NOT have your best wishes at heart, or can allow an external source to control your computer via an internet connection.
It is worth looking at.
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: GUEST,David Neale
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 04:44 PM

If you use MacOS X, then start using Apple's Safari browser -- you can set it to "Block Pop-up Windows" with a single click.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Max
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 04:49 PM

No pop-ups, no banner ads. Though we could make a little money doing that, I just don't believe in it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: billy bob
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 05:02 PM

hey deckman
do you meen you enter:-
I just enter WWW I Love You, in Finnish
or do enter WWW I Love You
infinish
love and fluffy stuff


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 07:15 PM

You could check if it's your browser by trying a different browser - such as Opera, which is a lot better than Internet Explorer anyway in various ways.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 10:55 PM

Opera is a wonderful browser... It has features I have barely begun to use.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: mack/misophist
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 09:31 PM

Opera is a good browser. On my machine, Firebird and Galeon are faster. I think Firebird's available for windows. I only use IE because I'm not using windows and it amuses me to cheat.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: GUEST,David Neale
Date: 26 Jul 03 - 04:32 AM

Geoff The Duck's suggestion seems only to apply to IE under Windows -- a deadly combination in anyone's language!

;-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 12:50 PM

Now I'm getting them too. Always at least one pop up with Google, and sometimes more. Sometimes pop ups at Mudcat. What is going on? I run Panicware so most of them don't actually pop but good grief. I also downloaded Outpost Firewall, but it didn't seem to do much of anything for me so I uninstalled it. HELP!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 01:26 PM

Sorcha...do you by any chance use the Google Toolbar? It has stuff in it that will do tricks..

But...with Mudcat...hmm..I need to remember what that new loophole is that unscrupulous (are there any other kind?) advertisers are using. I am NOT getting them, but you know what I run to keep things quiet.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 01:29 PM

Sorcha, read above and download Spybot or AdAware. Strupag PM'd me and said Spybot worked for him.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 01:30 PM

and are you using XP? if so, look at this page ..especially the reply by CJ... it seems to be a trick where they exploit Messenger.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 01:32 PM

adding the address

this page


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 01:36 PM

what


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 01:45 PM

?? last post got cut off...

"what I did was to do a search on popups "new kind" I got hits like this

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Security/Win_Security/Q_20411637.html

http://www.opentechsupport.net/forums/archive/topic/show/14801

it does 'seem' to be that Messenger security breach on one port that is being used..."


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 01:55 PM

I started off this thread paranoid and nervous with all these popups I was getting but thanks to the great mudcat support show I now have got rid of these disgusting things.
Yes Jeri, Spybhot did the trick but it threw up a few interesting things. Every time I go on internet explorer it leaves a bit of spyware called "market score"
I took MacGraw's advice and loaded Opera. Not only is it a good browser but there is no spyware.

Thanks again folks.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 02:00 PM

Using AdAware, thought I said that. WinME, not XP. What do you mean, 'Google toolbar'? I just go to the Google page..........


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 03:16 PM

ok...(Google Toolbar is an add-on thing that some use)

...I'm really not sure if WinME is open to this stuff or not...but it sure sounds like the problems those folks are getting on XP..see if any of the suggestions on those help pages do any good.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 03:23 PM

OK, I did download Opera; will mess around with it later.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 03:40 PM

Opera takes a litte messing with, as its bookmarks work a bit differently...(it offers you a start page of the Opera 'help' file...it is good to keep that handy as you play with it...LOTS of options)

feel free to ask/PM if you don't see exactly how Opera does things..*smile*

I think one of its best tricks is that the Q,A,Z & X keys, right under your left hand, will move you thru links and pages...X & Z are forward-back, and on pages like Mudcat, Q & A will zip you up and down to each hyperlink....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 04:27 PM

If I decide to use it, is there an ez way to capture all my existing bookmarks in IE?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 05:18 PM

yep..under 'file' 'import', you can choose to import all your IE bookmarks


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Subject: RE: Tech: Hounded by popups on mudcat
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 05:35 PM

http://www.sitepointforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=32094&mode=linear&perpage=25&highlight

Web-Masters- Hijacking sites is a fairly old complaint. Read the aove thread for lots of information.

Google's corporate share price has skyrocketed - they also changed their programs and methods of "data collection" an individual's browsing. When you use google to go to a site - you will NOW find the site with Google in the URL window and the linking information.

Right Click PC Mouse to reveal properties of page, copy-paste into URL box.

The nice friendly Google of the past is the nosey-marketing-snoop of Today.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

If using windows-xp, there is an easy way to block ads and pop-ups. Just use Tweak-xp (http://www.tweak-xp.de/) and check the required options.


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