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Alio 15 Jul 03 - 08:09 AM
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Subject: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 08:09 AM

Thought the 1st one was getting a bit unwieldy so I've started a 2nd.

The GOOD news is that my programme is continuing, so thanks for all the brill messages sent to me and GMR - they've obviously worked.

I'm not allowed as yet to say when the new programme will be - it can't be Tuesdays 7.00 - 8.00 as the football is returning quite soon. As soon as they've informed the presenter who's losing part of their show I can pass the inforamtion on.

Thanks again for your support,
Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Val
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 08:41 AM

That's excellent news - should anyone want to send you press releases etc, could you just give out the name of the programme and the station address (postal) please. Do you have an email address for the station too? Could you post that too please?

Many thanks


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Vince
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 08:45 AM

Great news, congrats Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 09:31 AM

Thanks Val and Vince - the address is BBC GMR, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SD. My email is ali.obrien@bbc.co.uk. There's probably a general email, but I don't know it. The boss is Steve Hartley, so his address would be steve.hartley@bbc.co.uk I guess.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 10:01 AM

Nice one, Ali...I finally manage to beat Mark to refreshing the old thread and you start a new one!!! *grin*

Excellent news about the show and we're looking forward to tonights interview with Eric Bogle.

Love........Harry and Sara.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 10:10 AM

Congrats Ali,
I'll be listening to your show on the wireless again tonight.

I hope they give you a good time slot, BUT, I do hope they won't take off any of Noddy Holder's show, It's good, but then again not as good as yours.
If you happen to mention Joan Blackburn's Wigan Folk Club on Tuesdays and Thursday nights for singarounds, the website is wiganfolkclub.co.uk Me being the humble webmaster. It has a copy and archives of Joan's Folkal Point and many pictures of the Regulars at the Club.
Best Wishes, Leighton.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 10:25 AM

That's fantastic news Ali. Hopefully it's in a convenient slot that doesn't clash with any other folk programme on the airwaves because we all listen to the other programmes don't we! Looking at the schedules I haven't got a clue where it's likely to be put.

General email address for GMR is gmr@bbc.co.uk
Website schedule page is here :
GMR Website
Switchboard phone number is 0161 200 2000

Harry - I was going to refresh the thread this morning but seen you'd got up before me. As long as someone keeps the nation informed.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 12:47 PM

Songs2play - how did you manage to put that lovely red heart on? I could tell you when it's going to be, but at the moment I'm not allowed to. Not knowing what your tastes are, I can't say if you'll be devastated or delighted!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 02:50 AM

Ali, I stole the heart from Noreen, and have given it to you (but don't tell Noreen) :0)
I listened to your show last night, again I did really enjoy it. Thanks very much for mentioning the web site and our "Guiding Light" Joan Blackburn - it was much appreciated.
My tastes in music are to say the least varied, but I think the common denominator would be the acoustic guitar. Ranging form country blues from the likes of Blind Blake and Mississippi John Hurt, back in the 1920's/30's, through the 60's/70's when I picked up my first guitar and played along to my heros like Bob Dylan, Tom Paxton, Ralph McTell, and The Hennesseys. Nowadays there is so much good acoustic music around it's difficult not to say that I enjoy it all.

My one failing is probably not being a great lover of the "finger in the ear fol-de-rol" type of music. I hope that was diplomatically put.

Your show is the ideal listening post for different artists to be "sampled" by the likes of myself, and I normally have a pen ready to make a note of new ones that strike a chord.
Sorry if I've gone on a bit - But keep up the good work and again Congratulations on the news that the show is being continued.
Leighton (aka songs2play)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 07:57 AM

I can now reveal that the show will be on Mondays from 8.00 - 9.00p.m., so I'm quite happy with that, particularly as it follows GMR The Parlour which is Irish music. Hopefully followers of that programme will stay tuned to Sounds of Folk! The change over starts week beginning August 11th.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 01:10 PM

That's not a bad spot at all - could have been worse. I can set the tape going before I go out to the folk club at Parbold and listen to it when I get back. Pity Gerald Jackson's show had to be cut in half - he plays some good stuff if you like music from the 1930's onwards - but I believe his programme was a fill in between something else (football probably) and the response was so good they kept it going.

Now send your emails to the station manager thanking him for a good decision.

steve.taylor@bbc.co.uk

Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 02:07 PM

Couldn't be a better time slot Ali..should get even more listeners!

:0)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 03:05 PM

Never yet seen anyone stick a finger in their ear....


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 02:33 AM

Probably the long hair hiding it Harry.......


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Barb'ry
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 05:58 AM

Congratualtions Ali! You're doing a fantastic job - even if I can only get reception by sitting in my car! See you at the weekend
Lots of love
Barbara


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 03:27 AM

Your weekly reminder to tune it to BBC GMR on 95.1 and 104.6FM tomorrow night at 7-00pm and listen to "Sounds of Folk" with a (hopefully) vocally recovered Ali O'Brien and the guest who I think is Anthony John Clarke (I'm sure Ali will correct me on this if it's somebody else)
Ali - who have you got on over the next few weeks?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 03:59 AM

Just looked at the Railway & Linnet (Open Door folk club) thread and it looks like Harry and Bernard are doing their bit on the show tonight. - Have fun chaps, we'll be listening.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 05:35 AM

We'll be there! Pin back yer lug 'oles!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 07:48 AM

Yes, it's Harry and Bernard tonight (and my Geoff on standby if my voice gives up completely!) I was told over the weekend that I could make a fortune,as it sounds like a 0898 number (have i got that right?)

Anthony John is on the show next week, and the following week I thought I'd play back to back music again as I did a few weeks ago.

Wish me luck tonight!
Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 08:08 AM

Good Luck Ali, I'll give you my lucky heart.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: John Routledge
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 09:06 AM

Ali - I trust you have a Bernard proof sound-man.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 04:30 PM

Well done, Ali - the throat was gaining in strength towards the end!

Sorry about the hiccup in my song - what they call a 'senior moment', I believe!! ;^)) I resisted the temptation to have the words in front of me... ho hum!

The Geoff and Ali 'musical chairs' double act was something to behold! A pity it wasn't television!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 02:46 AM

Another cracking show Ali, I must admit the voice was very sensual.

"Hiccup" Bernard ? Never, I thought it was one of them Instrumental Interludes. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Thanks.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Vince
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 03:40 AM

Nice show alison; good interview with Bernard and Harry. Glad to hear you're a Roy Harper fan Harry (and the string band). Hope to get to he 'Railway and Linnet' as its a bit nearer to my home than the Bull's Head.

Looking forward to the new slot for Sounds of Folk - good time and start date, my birthday!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 03:45 AM

Glad you enjoyed it, Songs...it was pretty chaotic last night...Ali and Geoff had to do a certain amount of chair-swopping so he could take over for the diary dates to give poor Ali's voice a rest. I meant to mention the great contribution to the folk scene that ALL club organisers make...the clubs still fulfil a very important purpose...but I got sidetracked.

It was fun...a wee bit nerve-wracking but quite an experience.

Cheers, Ali for inviting us onto the programme.

All the best............Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 04:03 AM

Hi, Vince....yes, Harper, Al Stewart, Robin Williamson - - wonderful stuff and great storytellers all!

And I think Geoff rose manfully to the task with the Diary Dates so well done to him!

Cheers..........Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 06:44 AM

My daughter texted me to ask if it was now the "Ali and Geoff Show"!! He did pretty well, didn't he?

I've got Anthony John Clarke coming in tomorrow - I'm looking forward to seeing him again. During September I've confirmed Strawhead and Lancahire Voices (Chris from Strawhead and Derek Gifford)so those should be interesting interviews. Before Hull weekend I thought I'd do a maritime week for a change.

Looking forward to the change to Monday - Happy Birthday for the 11th Vince!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 07:26 AM

Thank Ali, good luck wi t'morrows show with A J Clarke & Strawhead (fresh from their success at S/worth). P'raps when your voice is back in full fettle you could give a song!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:04 PM

Hi agin Ali. I've just had a thought for a possible future guest on your programme....Hughie Jones! Reckon it would be fascinating to here him talk of the owd days (and present 'scene' etc). I was always a great fan of the Spinners who, though successful, got some pretty unjustifiable stick from some quarters of the 'orthodox' folk fraternity during their career. The first time i saw em was at the Free Trade Hall, probably in the late sixties and i think they more than anyone turned me on to folk music (they were the only group, i reckon, that could turn the FTH into a folk club!). They brought our 'traditional', and some contempory, music to a lot of people who otherwise would probably never have known it existed. A task that is still difficult to day which is why your programme is so important.

Sorry did i go off on one then.........best regards

Vince


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 12:35 PM

Harry - Ali's beaten both of us to it this week!

I can only echo what Vin has said above about the Spinners. If it wasn't for certain groups and individuals then we probably wouldn't have a folkscene as we know it today. How many folk groups had a regular television series on the box year after year bringing the music into people's homes and hopefully making them go out and look for places to listen to the music. Hughie Jones was a guest recently at our club at Rainford and it was one of the best nights of singing we've had for a long time coupled with the tales that Hughie was telling us.
Other people in the same mould would be the Ian Campbell folk group, Ewan MacColl, The Fivepenny Piece, The Houghton Weavers, The Yetties and maybe others from around the country - maybe not the type of groups that died in the wool folkies would admit to liking but certainly people who brought the music we like to the masses. What would we give to have not only a radio show but a TV show as well dedicated to local folk music. Those days are gone I'm afraid because TV executives aren't interested in it anymore - it doesn't bring the ratings in. I'd love to see a programme like "Ballad of the North West" made again

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 03:12 PM

And I'll second that, Mark.....


Cheers.......Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 03:34 PM

Hear, hear!!

It would be particularly good to see/hear my old mates, the Yetties, though it may be logistically difficult! It may be necessary to record the interview as they are passing through to one of their regular Scottish gigs...

BTW, good to see you at the Open Door last night, Mark!

Okay, okay, good to see you, too, Harry, before you have a sulk!!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 28 Jul 03 - 05:57 PM

Of course it was nice to see me, Bernard...but you see me every week...What on earth are you going on about?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 06:00 AM

Good idea about Hughie Jones Vince - I'll get in touch with him.

Re my singing - I don't want to frighten all my llisteners!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 06:09 AM

Re your singing Ali - aw go on, go on, go on! Be great if you can get Hughie on the programme (hey and maybe at next years Saddleworth fest.......with Mick Groves.....Tony Davis.....kind of a one off re-union....??? Cliff's in Oz i belive). Think i'm bein a bit too ambitious there eh?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 06:22 AM

Ali

As we're in suggestion mode, is there any chance of persuading Peter Bond to come into the studio for a chat about his songs sometime? I know he doesn't do gigs any more but his songs still get sung (by me at least!)

Cheers

Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 07:32 AM

Don't actually know him.

By the way, one of my listeners called in after the show to request a song from Mike Canavan. I haven't got anything with him on - does anyone know where I could get a CD featuring him? Last time I saw him was June when he did a fundraiser for Saddleworth Festival with John Howarth and a multitude of others - it was good to hear him again.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 08:27 AM

Ali, do you remember John Howarth mention the 'Legplaiters' on your programme t'other week. They, and chums, have a crackin double cd out that they recorded in Ireland and Mike Canavan is on that. Here's some info on the cd from the Oldham Tinkers web site which is www.oldhamtinkers.com

The Legplaiters Ceilidh Band
The Legplaiters are a group of musicians who play each Monday night at the Joiners Arms, a pub in Middleton near Manchester. This is an open session of traditional Irish, Scottish and Lancashire folk music and song. Five of these musicians, namely, Martin Lynott (Fiddle), Pete Fitzpatrick (Piano accordion), Mike Canavan (Guitar, Whistle and vocals), Billy Hindle (Guitar and vocals), and Ian Sidebotham (Banjo, Guitar and vocals), play for ceilidhs' under the name of the Legplaiters Ceilidh Band.
The album was recorded by another Oldham Tinker, Dave Howard at his studio in Thomastown, Co Kilkenny.
We have dedicated the CD to Dave Weatherall who played the concertina and sang with the band until ill health forced him to take a back seat. We took great pleasure and enjoyment in creating these tracks and hope that this enjoyment is felt by the listener.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 03:32 PM

Hi, Ali.....

      I've got a copy of Mike's album 'Some Songs' on vinyl if that;s any use?

      As regards Hughie I quite agree with Vin as regards the Spinners influence and hughie's a very talented guy..'Ellan Vannin' is still a great song but he does get quite a bit of attention from Radio Merseyside and also Lancashire Drift from time to time (he's a good friend of Jan Lardner).


Cheers.Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 29 Jul 03 - 06:14 PM

By the way, Ali.....Peter Bond, besided being an excellent performer/songwriter in his own right did some pretty good stuff with Bill Caddick and Tim Laycock...Mark's suggestion is well worth looking at.

Cheers.........Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 04:45 AM

Thanks you two - I have got the Legplatters CD at home, so I'll have to take a better look at it, and play a track next week. That will please John Howarth anyway!

And I know I've got a contact number for Hughie Jones somewhere, so I'll look that up also.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 05:21 AM

Ali
I can put you in touch with Peter Bond if you wish. I saw him last year at the Four Fools festival after about 17 years absence from the folk scene. He teaches guitar at a school which is one of the reasons he doesn't go out anymore but he was persuaded to do a couple of numbers when he came into the "meet" Tim Laycock and Mark Dowding (who?) session. Clive Pownceby can be very persuasive! It was good to see him after so many years.
He may not want to do it of course, but we can but ask him.

I enjoyed last night's show with AJC - I must try and get to one of his gigs sometime.

Cheers

Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 02:42 PM

Mike Canavan's 'Knocker Upper Man' certainly features on the aforementioned Legplaiters CD.

Come to think of it it'd be nice to hear something from Jolly Jack as well....

Cheers.......Harry,


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 02:53 PM

Talking of Mike Canavan - he's the guest at the White Lion, Swinton this coming Monday!

See you there?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 07:20 PM


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Peter Hood
Date: 30 Jul 03 - 07:41 PM

It's good to hear the old stuff but I like to hear the new as well.
Joe Topping, Roam , Ola,   Queensbury Rules. These people are young and bursting with a new energy. Most of them were not even born when songs like Ellin Vannin were written, they need the exposure more than the trusted old songs we all love. I've really enjoyed the programs so far, it would be the icing on the cake to hear the exciting new, young performers cropping up on the folk scene.
Peter


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 02:27 PM

Couldn't agree more, Peter although it's also nice to hear some artists who've not had an airing on local radio for far too long.

Speaking of newer talent some Spiers and Boden would be nice!

Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 02:44 PM

Getting the balance right is the art of a good show. Now that Ali has got plenty of time she can play tracks from the new CDs that are being sent in to her and also find time to include the old favourites. I'm going to put her a CD together of tracks from vinyl records that I've got that she can pick from. Anybody got any suggestions (assuming I've got the records in question!)?
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 04:16 PM

If you don't have the albums Mark, I might be able to help....


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 04:54 PM

Hi Mark, errr, how about Alex Campbell sings folk (live) with his great vesion of Tramps & Hawkers, The Beggermen at MSG & the Crown & Anchor, Taverner's (Seldom Sober), Noel Murphy (A touch of the Blarney), Fotheringay, Magna Carta's first, Vashti Bunyan (just another diamond day), No Roses (Shirley Collins), Tim Hart & Maddy Prior (Summer Solstice), errrr....Seasons (magna carta), Young Tradition (Galleries re-visited), Johnstons (Bitter Green), Songs of a Changing World (Tony Rose, Nick Jones & Jon Raven), Byker Hill (Carthy & Swarb)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 31 Jul 03 - 07:56 PM

How old do you think I am Vin?
Harry - I think I'll be calling on you for some help here and I think we might be getting Bob Wood in on the act as well!!
Seriously though Vin - do you have any of these tracks on record and do you have the facilities to transfer them to CD or at least to a cassette of good quality that you can send me. The studio does have a turntable that Ali could use (I think) so things don't have to be on CD (I bet Ali's turning white reading this!!!)
Ali - is it OK for you to use vinyl to broadcast from or does it have to be CD?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 03:36 AM

Ow do young Mark! I don't have a facility to get tracks onto large cd but i could get quite at lot onto minidisc if that's any use and maybe cassette (but i think minidisc would be easier for me at the mo). If that's of use, let me know where to send the disc and i'll do me best.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 04:48 AM

Hi Vin

I've PM'd you with my address to send a minidisc to. Can't guarantee that Ali will play all or any of them but it gives her more scope for the future especially as you're going to ask her if she would play the odd track as a request.

Cheers

"Young - ish" Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 05:10 AM

Mark i'm having probs opening the PM, never had one before so p'raps i'm doin something wrong. i've clicked on your name in my message notification page but it throws up a reply thread page. P'raps i should ask max or jeff on help or have you any clues.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 01 Aug 03 - 05:14 AM

S'ok, S'ok...i've sorted it mark, gettin the 'ang of it, wot my like! I'll send you the disc as soon as i can. Hope Ali can use it at some point.
Cheers


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 04 Aug 03 - 06:08 AM

I'd like to see Mike tonight, but unfortunately I'm off down to London for a 1 hour meeting, so won't be back in Manchester till after 10.00p.m..!!!

You're right Peter - I need to get myself some more CD's of new, young artists. I do buy a lot of CD's but generally they tend to be those of artists I particularly enjoy. I have played quite a bit of new stuff though over the weeks eg Mat Walklate, Dulaman, One Hand Clapping, Barflies etc.. I do want folk to send in their material to me, and I've made a committment to play some tracks, regardless of my own personal views.

Mark, my hair's going lighter as we speak!! And as to your question, I've no idea, but I can easily find out. Thanks for all your help you two!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 04:47 AM

All music tonight on the show - 7-00 till 8-00pm - no guests to talk to. Ali's catching up on all the CDs she's been sent in so far!

Don't forget that next week the show moves to its new regular day and time of Monday, 8-00 to 9-00pm

BBC GMR 95.1 and 104.6 FM; email ali.obrien@bbc.co.uk ; phone 0161 228 2255 after the show.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 04:53 AM

Ive got to see if I can beat Les Bond's record - apparently the week before last he managed to get 14 tracks in to the hour - God knows how!! He must have chosen the shortest ones he could find!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 06:09 AM

I don't know if that's a record to beat Ali, I thoroughly enjoy the chats between the music.
I'll be listening tonight, as usual.
Leighton


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 06:50 AM

Thanks songs2play - I think the chat bit is important too; its also fairer to the artists, who are trying to sell some of their CD's. But I also think it's important not to have too much of me! I know I can "rabbit" on for England!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:20 AM

Lookin forward to t'nights all music show. I also reckon chatting with guest performers, club organisers & others on the folk/contempory scene is important aswell. I think the current balance of music, chat & diary dates (also important) seems ok to me, so onwards ali (if u get tired of rabbiting ali - you could always gi us a song!).

P.s. to Mark D.....still compiling that mini-disc for you.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:59 AM

Ex teachers NEVER get tired of rabbiting Viv!

Off to GMR early today - they only told me last week about the logging I have to do! It took me all weekend! Good job I've been keeping a record each week.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 02:04 PM

The all music shows are great once in a while but as Vin says, the chat is important..

Les and Jan are doing a great job with the Drift these days...last week was fun tryin to get the OD venue change details right...mind you the club did get three mentions because of it...in the end Ken taped me giving the info. and played it on air - - without my knowledge, I might add - - - !!!

All the best.......Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 05 Aug 03 - 07:00 PM

Hey Harry - you thought you had problems - Ken and Angie Bladen were rushing round West Lancashire villages last night trying to find a new venue for their folk club to host the Poms from Oz tonight (Wednesday) seeing as the current venue had "thrown them out" (the landlady's words!). I gave them a number to ring Ali on before she went on air (about fifteen minutes before by all accounts) to tell her and thankfully Ali was able to give the new venue out on the diary dates. Just to clarify - the Eagle and Child no longer want the club for whatever reason and it will now be held at the Mawdesleys Eating House which is a mile down the road from the Eagle in the village of Mawdesley near Parbold in Lancashire. Ring Ken or Angie on 01257 263678 for further details (Sorry if this is thread jumping but I need to get this information around quickly - hope you don't mind Ali)

Enjoyed all the music tonight - didn't count all the tracks that were played but I don't think it made the dozen so Les Bond's record is safe for another week!

Vin - I'll look forward to getting it whenever.

Cheers

Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 07 Aug 03 - 11:53 AM

No, I think I managed to get either 9 or 10 in, but I've just pre-recorded the show for Whitby week, and I got 11 in! Either I'm talking faster or saying less!!
I've managed to get Highie Jones to come on the show at the end of
September!
Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 07 Aug 03 - 08:08 PM

Would that be Hughie's spliff-smoking brother......?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 03:44 AM

Don't forget that Sounds of Folk is on TONIGHT (Monday) between 8-00 and 9-00 in its new regular spot. Ali - hope you've not forgotten - don't go in tomorrow or you'll be at blows with Jimmy Wagg doing the midweek football programme!
Please keep writing in and emailing the powers that be with your favourable comments about the show. We don't want them to pull the show because they think nobody listens.

Sounds of Folk - 8-00 to 9-00pm - BBC GMR - 95.1 and 104.6 FM
Tel 0161 228 2255 after the show
Email ali.obrien@bbc.co.uk

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 06:39 AM

God knows how I'm going to get through the show tonight! I took my daughter in to hospital at 2.00a.m. and she had the baby just before 8o'clock!! It's a little boy - Connor! And I'm now looking after his older brother, who's 4, all day! I've had no sleep since Saturday night, so please pretend not to notice any errors!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 06:44 AM

Congratulations to you and your daughter Ali! Am sure any loud yawns t'night will be forgiven.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 06:55 AM

Congratulations Ali, And best wishes to ALL the Family.
I'll be listening tonight.
Leighton (www.wiganfolkclub.co.uk)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 10:33 AM

Ali,
Will you ever be doing any outside broadcasts from Festivals or Folk Clubs ?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 11:38 AM

Unfortunately, i'll miss the programme to-night (and my recording facilities are abysmal at the mo) so good luck with the new day & time slot ali & all


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:23 PM

Congratulations all round, Ali and good luck with the new time slot....

Harry and Sara.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,PaulG
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:18 AM

Glad you mentioned this site because I tried to telephone and could not get through to you.Probably more friends and family. I thought this programme could not possibly get any worse but you manage to prove me wrong.

When are you going to give other clubs and music sessions more airtime? I suspect never! Every week its Cross Keys! Saddleworth! Geoff! Friends of mine! Saddleworth! Cross Keys! Then I come on here and find other people you've interviewed are part of your fan club.
I'm glad there's and address for your station because I WILL write in and COMPLAIN! If its not you interviewing ypur husband its your husband interviewing you. Get the pet hamster on next I'm sure it'll be riveting!

I've never come across a programme so self-indulgent and smacking of nepotism!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:39 AM

I think alison (who i don't know personally) does ask people every week to send in their details about events, sessions etc so its up to them. Personally i think your criticism is way over the top. Its a new local programme and Ali is still, i guess, feeling her way, as it were. Give it, and her, time. Enjoy and be thankful we've actually got such a programme!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 09:59 AM

I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinions, and it would be a sad day when you couldn't speak your mind without fear of reprisals. So you will not mind me saying that the GMR Folk Programme hosted By Ali, I find, thoroughly enjoyable.
I am not one of Alison's relatives, nor have I met her personally. I have never been to Saddleworth, nor have I ever been to the Cross Keys.
Several, if not more, locations of local Folk singarounds are mentioned during the program, and I personally find the program very informative and entertaining.

You will excuse me if I suggest that you make up your own minds, with regards to the Program. Listen to it - see for yourselves.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 10:28 AM

Guest PaulG - Surely we're all friends on the folk scene? I know for a fact that Ali has a limited amount of time to answer the phone after the show before she has to pack up and vacate the studio and the box of tricks that takes the calls has about a dozen lines on it. Ali doesn't know who's ringing so it's pot luck if she answers before you ring off.
I didn't know Ali until I went on the show to talk about the Four Fools festival and other things but I'd like to think I've been supportive of the show with various emails to the BBC and suggestions to Ali.
Looking back at the guest list over the past 13 weeks, I'd hardly call the choice nepotistic:
Antique Roadshow, Clive Gregson, Joan Blackburn, Jim Schofield, Myself, John Howarth, Rising Sun Band, Eric Bogle, Harry Basnett and Bernard Cromarty, Anthony John Clarke, Geoff O'Brien and two shows with no guest but plenty of music.
Instead of writing in complaining, why don't you write in with suggestions of what to include? Do you run a club or a festival yourself? I'm sure Ali would love to have you on the show to talk about it.
Instead of a show that had a limited life of twelve weeks, thanks to the "fan club" writing in to the BBC with letters of encouragement we now have a show running for an indefinite period - indeed Monday night on GMR is great for people who like "fringe" music, Irish, Folk and Country from 7-00 till 10-00pm. Where else do you get that? It was good to hear the interviews by Alan Keegan in "The Parlour" programme with both Ali and David Spencer who runs the country programme. Hopefully all three programmes will pick up listeners over the coming months.
I hope you'll keep listening to the show and maybe we'll get chance to hear you on it one day.
Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 03:07 PM

I've never been in a fan club in my life!!!

The first thing I want to make clear to PaulG and any other interested parties is that, like Mark, I'd never met Ali before I went on the programme. Thanks to the show I was able to give a decent plug to the club at which I'm a regular- the Open Door- which had just changed location and I was grateful for the chance to publicise the fact. I intended whilst on the show to mention the stirling work done by all folk club abd session organisers but things were a bit hectic that night and the opportunity slipped me by.

Secondly, having just read Mark's list I can, perhaps, see where you might be getting your idea of favouritism from, PaulG - - I think nepotism only refers to relations and I'm pretty sure the only one of those has been Geoff - - John Howarth is a regular at the Keys and Jim runs the club; Eric Bogle was the main guest at Saddleworth. I feel, with all due respect, that you must bear in mind that (as has already been mentioned) Ali is new to this game and to ease herself in has probably felt more comfortable with familiar faces and you can't blame her for plugging Saddleworth Festival for goodness' sake...

Thirdly...many moons ago I put a thread on this nifty little forum expressing my concerns that we had no folk programme on GMR. I contacted Mike Shaft and put his e-mail address on the thread and Ali said she'd get onto him....the result...a folk music programme on GMR. So perhaps you'll see, PaulG, that I'm not on here as a 'Fan Club' member but as someone with an interest in making this programme work.

Give ali and the programme a little more time before undermining the food work already done. Please.

Harry Basnett.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 03:13 PM

Oops....that should have read 'Good work'...


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:58 PM

There's always got to be someone with a misguided strong opinion - the folk world is riddled with 'em! ;^))

Ali is doing a great job of raising the level of awareness in the local folk scene. Sure, she has had people on the show who are her close friends - but that's really because she is the kind of person who has lots of close friends. I suppose PaulG's remark is really a backhanded compliment about Ali's popularity!!

Surely you must have realised that, until this week, Ali's programme was experimental and with an indefinite future, and those of us here on Mudcat were doing our utmost to protect what we consider to be a serious attempt to redress the balance back towards mainstream folk music, which is a 'Cinderella' subject on local and national radio in this country - in much the way as Morris is openly ridiculed instead of supported. National pride? Naah... let's knock it instead...

Harry and I were invited on the show not as Ali's friends, but to publicise our club (the Open Door) which was needing a boost to keep it afloat, particularly as we'd decided to change venue. If such criticism had any foundation, surely Ali wouldn't dream of associating herself publicly with a club that was almost on the point of closing? There are many other 'fashionable' clubs to associate with!!

The only reason why the Ali's guest lists keep mentioning a few clubs is simple...

IT'S SUMMER, AND NO BUGGER ELSE IS BOOKING GUESTS!!     SILLY TWIT!!

Some people only hear what they want to hear...

As for 'Then I come on here and find other people you've interviewed are part of your fan club.' - well, you obviously have missed the point in a very big way.

Many of the people posting to this thread do not know Ali personally - she is simply acting as a mouthpiece for the needs of the folk community in the Manchester area, for which we are all grateful.

Everybody is entitled to their opinions, and nobody is forcing anybody to listen to Ali's programme. If you must criticise, at least offer a sensible alternative!! Most of us are delighted with what Ali has achieved in such a short time!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 10:47 AM

No bugger else is booking guests, Bernard?
What, not even Northwich Folk Club?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:16 AM

Aaahh... but Ali mentioned that one on Monday, so in the context of the complaint...!! Erm... I wonder who the guest is...?! Hee hee!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:32 AM

I'm sorry we can't pick up GMR in our neck of the woods, so that was a lucky guess from me!
I heard about it on Genevieve's programme on Sunday night.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 13 Aug 03 - 11:57 AM

Songs2play - not sure really. I'd really love to do outside broadcasts, and now I'm more established they may give me the go ahead. They'll have to do something anyway - in September I've got Damhse coming in, and there are 10 of them!!

Paul, sorry you don't like the programme - I try to make it friendly for listeners, but you obviously don't like that. So far I've only had positive feedback, but Mike Shaft did warn me that there would be plenty who were negative as well, so that's something I would have to learn to live with.
As other people have said, I do ask each week for information re clubs / festivals / organisers / performers etc., and I ALWAYS give out information which is sent to me. Do ask club organisers if you don't believe me!
Future guests include Bernard Wrigley, Shona Kipling and Damian O'Keefe, Damhsa, Strawhead, Nick Caffrey and Lancashire Voices - is that diverse enogh?
As for Geoff, lots of other shows have several presenters - The Parlour has 5!!! Why can't I have someone there as support? On Monday I needed help as I really felt so knackered - Geoff and Kat were great! If you really have any practical advice, instead of getting really personal, perhaops you couald give me a call? I do get several positive calls after the show, so you may have to wait a little, but I will be there. (Although not on Monday of course as it's Whitby folk week - as I go to around 14 festivals per year and lead one, I do feel fairly knowledgeable about what poeple will like, but I can't always get it right!)

Thanks everyone else for your support. It did upset me reading it, but I'm a big girl (back to Weight watchers in September) and I have to take the bad with the good.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,PaulG
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 07:22 AM

SONGS2PLAY.
VIN.
MARK.
HARRY.

At least you seemed to understand something of what I was saying whether you agrred with me or not! I respect your opinions and think SONGS2PLAY makes a good point about going to folk clubs but this should also include music sessions. Perhaps I have been too hasty in judging this programme and I will see how it develops.

BERNARD.

You obviously paid no attentiom to anything I wrote and calling me a SILLY TWIT is hardly likely to get me on your side. I never complained about Diary Dates and nobody I know has complained about Diary Dates. I DID complain about too many references to Saddleworth "Gods Own Country" as it keeps getting called and to the Cross Keys being talked about all the time. Its not just me whose noticed this. Insulting me will get you nowhere you obviously have no ability to put your point of viw forwards in an intelligent manner.

ALI. I am sorry if I upset you and perhaps I went over the top but as I said I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO FEELS LIKE THIS. I will carry on listening to your show and see what happens. I think you should take BERNARD and teach him to read.

Its no good asking for opinions and not listening.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 08:00 AM

Hi Paul G,

Glad you're goin to carry on listening, i'm sure you'll eventually get more good vibes from the programme than bad. As for 'gods own country', i think this is always said with the proverbial tongue-in-cheek (certainly by Lancy folk!). Somtimes it's bin referred to as 'Saddlewet' for good reason.

There's lots of debate goes on about folk music presentation and definition i.e. clubs v sessions, trad v contempory, cliquishnes etc but sometimes its healthy to take a step back and just enjoy the music/song and dance!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 10:15 AM

There is always a debate about Saddleworth, its' position, weather etc., and we do have to take a lot of stick from people. I'm personally proud of where it is! I take your point about mentioning it each week, but the information is given to me about the clubs there. I pass on info to my listeners about any club I receive details on - some do get a mention each week, but it's just that those club organisers are proactive in sending me the info, often via email. I've been told off for not mentioning a club in the Tameside area, but as yet no-one has told me where / when it is! Bernard's right though - there are far less clubs operating at the moment.

If you'd like to listen to the show a week on Monday you'll hear loads of artists who are not well known - I'll be playing just CD's which have been sent in to me. No nepotism there, hopefully!!

Please keep listening and let me know what you think,
Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 11:30 AM

It would be great to hear some live recordings (if that's not a contradiction of terms) from clubs and music sessions. You can't beat a room full of people singing a rousing chorus or a few sets of 90 mile-an-hour tunes which is something that you wouldn't get live in the studio. I've got loads of tapes of club nights from the eighties that are good to listen to - you couldn't broadcast the whole night obviously but edited highlights would trim it down to something more listenable to. (If you want to listen to a whole night then go to a folk club or session). Who remembers the offshoot of Folk on Friday where Jim Lloyd et al would descend on a folk club, record the night and play an edited hour on a Sunday. (I've got a copy of the first one of those - it was a concert rather than a club night with The Taverners, Pendle Folk and Harry Boardman - great to listen to). I think the Folk on 2 crew also used to have artists do concerts at the BBC in front of an audience and record those for future broadcasting. I've got one with Gary and Vera Aspey on tape somewhere. Don't know what sort of recording equipment you'd need these days to do club recordings with, but I think Les Bond takes a professional mini-disc recorder and microphone with him for interviews and snatches of songs. Food for thought there Ali? (I think she's fainted).

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 11:45 AM

PaulG - be fair! It isn't clear from your original post exactly what you are complaining about! If you read it carefully (I did, honest!), you will notice that you neither mention nor exclude diary dates, so is it any wonder that people (not just me) misunderstood what you wrote?!

When you word a complaint in an insulting manner, you must be prepared to accept that insults will be reciprocated... albeit tongue-in-cheek!! ;^))

Still, it's good to know you are more open minded than you first gave us to believe; I'm glad you will continue to listen and give Ali the fair hearing she deserves.

As Mark so rightly said: 'Surely we're all friends on the folk scene?'


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 01:53 PM

Sounds terrific, Mark! I love hearing some of the new stuff but it'd be great to hear some of the older artists and their matwrial again. the really good thing about the programme going out regularly and (hopefully) with its future secured is the scope now available to try out different ideas.

Glad you've decided to give us more time, Paul...

All the Best..........Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 14 Aug 03 - 03:06 PM

Hi Harry
Wasn't really thinking of using my old recordings - not broadcast quality to be honest (I'll do you copy of one) - but if Ali gets the go ahead to go into clubs and make decent quality recordings then it will bring out the atmosphere of a club environment over the airwaves.
Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 06:46 AM

I'm trying to get hold of Mike Shaft now to ask about the possibilities of any live recordings - watch this space!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,PaulG
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 07:15 AM

BERNARD. If your basis for insults works around what people "neither mention nor exclude" then you must be busy insulting people on a regular basis. I may be new to using the internet but I am not new to folk clubs and am well aware that clubs do not book as many guests or any guests at all in the summer. Please do not patronise me or use me to show off with HTML as a friend of mine has pointed out.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 09:11 AM

I don't see the need for anybody to abuse anybody here, nor do I see the need for negative criticism.

Ali is doing a sterling job and it's always so much easier to criticise what somebody's doing than try to do better yourself.

If anyone has ideas for making the programme better or more inclusive in any way, I know Ali will be delighted to hear those ideas, either here publicly or privately by phone, e-mail or PM, all of which contact details she has ready given out.

Ali is an extremely approachable, open person who does not deserve this unpleasantness. If anyone wants to carry on abusing anyone, I suggest you take it elsewhere and leave this thread for talking about Ali's programme.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:02 AM

Nice one Noreen, nuff said i think?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: songs2play
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:32 AM

I can feeeeeeeeeel the love in this thread.:-)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:46 AM

Yup!!

Ain't it sad when someone can dish out insults, but can't seem to take playful digs...!!?

Ho hum!!

Showing off with HTML? Duh... where?! Have I missed something?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:07 AM

Bernard, come on... you wantonly used b, i and small tags.
Hang your head in shame!
If you're not careful it'll be colours next, then where would we be?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 11:43 AM

Oo-er! Thanks for alerting me, John! Didn't realise that counted as 'showing off'!! I'd better stop using the caps shift, too!!

Anyway, I can't do colours!!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 03:25 PM

Cheers, Mark...

       I'd be really interested in the Gary and Vera recording. Sara's quite taken with them and she's never seen them live.

       Paul....I think you've made your point and I'm sure Bernard didn't mean to cause you any offence and Bernard try and control your exhuberance because you're just making matter worse, me old mate...

All the Best.........Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 03:59 PM

Hi, Allan ( John????????),

       How are things going at Radio Shropshire? Our club is starting earlier now so no time to listen at all these days. Nice to see you taking an interest in GMR...must be nice sitting on the outside of this thread looking in. :0)

Are you still decorating the studio?

All the Best........Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 05:31 AM

Yes, it is possible to do outside broadcasts - Mike's told me that I should judge all requests on individual merit, bearing the cost in mind - someone would have to come with me of course. So get any good ideas to me in writing. I can think of some I'd like to do, but I need the request to come from someone else!

It's going to be more difficult takling calls after the show now, as I've changed studio. GMR Country follows me in the same studio, so the handover is very brief. I'll either have to take calls during the show, or have them diverted to another room - it's not impossible. I've always received a few calls, so I don't want that to stop.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 08:13 AM

Hi Harry - it would make me feel very guilty to hijack Ali's thread, otherwise I would tell you that we are thriving in Shropshire.
I might also explain for those who don't know that we always consider the studio looks a bit utilitarian on the webcam without some embellishment.
Last night you would have seen Genevieve dancing in her greenwood bower.
After Warwick festival, having had no time at home for domestic chores, you would have seen me doing the ironing.
A couple of weeks ago we filled the studio with many and various hats.
Alan Surtees of Bridgnorth Festival took a fancy to the pith helmet. (He would have taken it home but we told him not to take the pith).
But since this is a thread about a wonderful new show in Manchester, all that will have to remain unsaid...
...especially the bad joke.

PS - we have no objection to you recording the show on a Sunday to listen to in the week - but you wouldn't have much luck in the phone-in competitions.

PPS - who is John?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 09:07 AM

It sounds good, Watson - I'll have to come over and pick up some tips!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 09:50 AM

You'd be very welcome Ali.
Talking about OBs, I should be taking the radio car to Bridgnorth next week for some live inserts into the show.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 02:28 PM

Probably best not to ask, Allan....probably best not to ask...

Ali's been moved to a different studio but I still doubt whether she'll have much room for a forest setting!

Love to Genevieve and Amy.....


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 05:29 AM

Thanks Harry, I'll pass that on.
Incidentally, it might be worth saying that you manage to listen to Genevieve's show - or you did when you were at home on Sunday nights.
A few people seem to be able to pick it up in Manchester and Liverpool - probably on one of the Radio Stoke frequencies. If anyone else fancies joining us there is some good music to be heard.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 02:16 PM

You're quite right, Allan - - it is one of the Stoke frequencies and usually involves trundling round the room with the radio pointing the aerial at all compass points till you get a decent reception -- but its worth it in the end!!

Bear in mind after all this plugging of Radio Shropshire I fully expect a decent mention for Extravaganza 5 in October! :0)

Cheers.........Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: treewind
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 04:41 PM

Ali - I've emailed Doug Bailey at Wild Goose studios to put your station on his circulation list. Your BBC neighbours in Merseyside and Shropshire have received copies of Sharp Practice (Mary Humphreys and myself) and as Mary, a long term Manchester resident, is well known to some of your listeners you really should have one!

And hello Allan - when I got your email I hadn't really been paying attention and didn't notice that you were here too!

We'll be looking out for you at Bridgnorth...

Anahata


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Watson
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 05:14 AM

Plugging Harry? Is that what we're doing? I do apologise.
I think your extravaganzas are fine events, well worth a mention. Although we haven't experienced them first hand, people tell us what a good format it is - thoroughly enyoyable events.

...and yes Anahata, we'll be at Bridgnorth most of the weekend - look forward to meeting you.

Now can we get this thread back on track - it's supposed to be about a rather fine new Folk Programme in Manchester I seem to remember.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 05:39 PM

Just before we get fully back on track....Anahata - - make sure Les Bond at Lancashire Drift has a copy of the CD...

Right, Ali....over to you......

All the best........Harry and Sara.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les the .............
Date: 22 Aug 03 - 01:51 PM

I think its a cheek the way people keep using these really interesting threads for their own purposes.I would never mention........ unless it was really relevent


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 22 Aug 03 - 07:43 PM

Yeah, Les....and your silence speaks volumes........


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les the confused
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 02:25 AM

I am really pleased Greater Manchester has a folk programme again. It seems a thousand years since Mike Billington's show and what about that Harry.......... on Picaddily, what was his name then?

Seems a bit of an unfortunate ding dong in the middle of a great thread.

Sunshine, sunshine, a happy day,
Off to the Cricket match, I'm away,
Somebody else can work for me,
I'm the happy absentee.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 04:20 AM

Les

Harry Ogden was the bloke who did a Sunday night folk programme on Piccadilly Radio called "Folkspan". I spoke to him not so long ago. He told me that when Owen Oyston took over the company he could see the writing on the wall for programmes like his so he got out before he was pushed. Harry did another programme on one of the other local stations - Century FM I think - for a while but I don't think he's doing anything now.
Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 04:34 AM

Yes, Harry Ogden indeed. I seem to remember he played a lot more recorded music and lots of excellent Irish stuff at the time when the BBC Radio 4 programme was a bit dull. Mike Billington's GMR show had lots of local interest which is what the new programme looks like it will have.

I know Mike Harding gets some stick for some of his countryish stuff, on his show but he does play some fantastic music and he does know and love everybody.

If the new GMR show is to survive it has to entertain a wide collection of people than us folkies. No criticism, honest, but things can get a bit parochial and then can exclude non-folkies who would probably enjoy the music.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 06:36 AM

There's a country music programme on right afterwards, Les...let's not go down that path, eh?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 07:21 AM

Me neither, but I do think that Mike Harding has done a lot for Folk on 2 and am prepared to forgive most of the Irish and Western he slides in. I suppose Irish Traditional music slides into pop and country much more easily than English Trad music has and so all those great International Irish women who started in traditional music sing what sounds like country.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 07:43 AM

'Sounds of Folk' is sandwiched between 'The Parlour' and the country music programme and to exist in its own right must continue as a folk programme and not fall into the trap of merely becoming some sort of crossing point between the two.

Ali has done a fine job with 'Sounds of Folk' which has rapidly become established in a permanent slot and I'm a great believer in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it....."

Cheers.........Harry.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 08:08 AM

Agreed. Folk music is too often a 'Cinderella' subject which people feel needs to be 'watered down' to be appealing to the masses.

This programme isn't aimed at entertaining the masses - it is educating them by showing them what they are otherwise missing!!

Lots of people are turned on to Folk by hearing it done properly - and in a proper context.

Yes, the programme is somewhat parochial. How else will it get its message across?! Non-folkies are only people who aren't folkies - yet!!

The programme's slot is only an hour - of which fifty minutes (or less) is actual programme. If Ali starts filling time with other stuff that, as Harry has pointed out, happens on either side of the slot, the fifty minutes will be eroded further.

Better still, why not harangue 'The Parlour' and the country slot to include more folk?!! ;^))


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Aug 03 - 01:14 PM

I think their is a genuine problem with what is the smallest audience before the programme gets taken off and how far can you dilute before it misses the point entirley.

Ok I will wait until Monday and see how it rolls.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton
Date: 26 Aug 03 - 12:14 PM

Blackburn 2 Manchester City 3.

Which takes City to the top of the Premiership for the first time since Cecil Sharp stumbled into a quarry in Oxford, well nearly.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Alan
Date: 26 Aug 03 - 12:38 PM

This is all very interesting, but when I tuned in on Monday so that I could listen and form my own opinion, I could only get football.

Could it be that the programme has been taken off because the contributers to this thread, who are supposed to be the ambassadors of folk music, can't agree amongst themselves?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 26 Aug 03 - 12:55 PM

The show may have a permanant slot now but it (and the other shows either side of it) still have to move out of the way when one of the local teams plays on a Monday night. Hopefully this won't be too often - depends on the whims of the people at Sky Sports!

Like Bernard said - the show isn't for mass appeal - it's a programme specialising in folk music in its many forms just as the country show caters for followers of C&W music (spits on floor). Ali has played a wide range of styles since she started the show and I'm sure as the weeks progress we'll hear the full spectrum of the genre - we even had Kate Rusby the other week and people moan at Mike Harding for playing her stuff (week after week admittedly!). If the Houghton Weavers start getting played that's the time to complain!

Anyway why are you talking about taking the programme off?!! It's not so much number of listeners as number of people who write in with (preferably good) comments to the station that keep the show in the mind of the managers. That's why it got the permanant slot in the first place.

Cheers

Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Alan
Date: 26 Aug 03 - 01:02 PM

Good point Mark. I've already written in complaining that the programme was moved. Not that it'll make any difference, but at least it lets them know that we are listening.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 27 Aug 03 - 04:58 AM

By definition 'Parochial' = Provincial = Local. Sounds of Folk is a locally broadcast programme, see wot i mean? Mike's is on national radio so will cover a broader spectrum (eh?). Nowt against country music personally (or country & western, if you like). Perhaps radio 2 should revive the old 'Country Meets Folk' programme that went out years ago (remember Wally Whyton - gawd rest is soul - the Yetties, Johnny Silvo and Brian Brocklehurst on bass?). Oh well, each to their own.

Any road up, as Bernard sez, you only get fifty mins or so which narrows the scope of the programme a bit and it is a folk programme......so lets enjoy and 'now be thankful to your maker' as the song goes!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton
Date: 27 Aug 03 - 12:04 PM

Sorry if I was a bit obtuse with 3 -2, but being a City fan has quite a bit in common with being a folk music fan. So all though we lost the folk prog for a week City went top for 24 hours, rather like the way excellent folk pops up on mainstream TV, about once in a lifetime.

I guess we need to take the advice and write saying what is good then add gentle crits, because all crits could do much damage?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 27 Aug 03 - 01:49 PM

Yup!

Constructive criticism is, more often than not, helpful, particularly if the critic is offering a workable alternative.

Destructive criticism rarely helps - 'I don't like balloons, so I will burst them all!' - which doesn't help people who like balloons!!

What I'm trying to say is the critic who offers destructive criticism is often (but not always!) out to destroy that which they are criticising - sometimes for personal reasons.

It is difficult to be objective about something which is close to your own heart, and it sometimes takes an 'outsider' (for want of a better word) to point out the obvious. The trick is to listen to all arguments, and try to come up with a balanced solution.

Of course we would all do it differently - 'one man's meat is another man's poison'!

So far, Ali seems to be doing as good a job as anyone could be expected to do, especially given the constraints she obviously has to work with - and the amount of support she is receiving bears this out.

As Mark quite rightly pointed out 'That's why it got the permanent slot in the first place.'

At least the programme is generating a healthy discussion amongst those at whom it is aimed...!!

Long may she run!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 27 Aug 03 - 04:22 PM

If only we'd beaten Portsmouth!!!

There has possibly been nothing more character building than being a folky and supporting Manchester City...facing sneers regarding one and jeers about the other.

I agree with you, Les....if we had to lose the programme on Monday the wondrous 87th. minute winner made it all worthwhile!!

Now let's all be happy bunnies again!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 04:28 AM

And when we beat Arsenal on Sunday, the world'll be our lobster!?!
Blue mooooon....da da deee da da dee dooo, scithereee idle deee dooo........sorry!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 06:35 AM

Treewind - thank you!

LestheConfused - I don't choose the jingles - honest!! And if I did - cricket would be the LAST thing I'd mention!

Alan - the programme was only taken off because it was Bank Holiday, which means sport, and lots of it!! It will happen again unfortunately! I wasn't the only one to suffer - sport replaced all programmes from 2 - 8p.m.. Anyway, back next Monday with 2 guests - John Howarth is popping in to talk about the Tinkers new CD, and Martin Stimson to tell us about a new festival in Mossley which is taking place on Saturday. And yes Harry, the Extravaganza will bet good coverage...and quite rightly too!!

I try to cover all aspects of 'folk' on the programme, and hopefully the music I've played has reflected that - traditional, contemporary, local artists, blues, musicians, even poetry. What else should I be doing please? Re any criticisms, Mike Shaft told me quite early that there will always be those, and that whilst taking them on board they have to be put into context.

See you on Monday - I'm playing lots of new-ish artists who've sent me their CD's.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 12:24 PM

Harry, the joy of Tuesday, shamed it didn't last a bit longer but they are looking good are they not.

Sorry I have been in trouble for this before...

.... what else could the programme feature? Well, it siunds very promising as it is and it makes a cracking start to the week. Lots of other community music exists in Greater Manchester; Eastern European, Afro-Caribean, tons of Asian stuff. How about a some of them?

I seem to remember reading Bert Lloyd on collecting tunes before the war in the Balkans. When he(?) went back after the war the contact with other cultures during the war had enriched the music. Is community music alive, what do Mancunians of Asian origin do with their music and is it changing by being played here?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 01:04 PM

Hi Les

Thought I was on the GMR Sport forum for a minute there!

GMR caters for all types of music from various backgrounds if you have a look at the weekly schedule:
GMR Schedule
Plenty to have a listen to there I'm sure.

One of the reasons I stopped buying Southern Rag... err...Folk Roots ...err.... fRoots was that it was - and maybe still is for all I know - ignoring British folk music and concentrated more on "World" music. Very rarely was there an interview with somebody I'd see at the local folk club. - not that "World" music isn't any good - dig out the CD "We are the burning fire" by Howard Goodall - excellent - but we've been fighting to get a programme that features music from people that we listen to on a regular basis. OK - play the odd track of something different now and again to broaden our musical horizons but if you're not careful then the show can diversify too much and go away from what we wanted.

(The Howard Goodall CD is a selection of songs that he came across as he's been touring different countries. From his website www.howardgoodall.co.uk:

'We Are The Burning Fire: songs from a small planet'
Howard's travels have taken him all around the world, and in visiting countries as far apart as Iceland and Japan, Italy and Brazil, he has discovered a musical world with roots far different from the classical ones of his training. The recording We Are The Burning Fire is the result of Howard's exploration of music from around the world. Rather than simply a collection of songs from around the world, however, the album features Howard's new, original arrangements of worldwide folksongs, performed by Christ Church Cathedral Choir, Oxford. "I came across songs that I had to respond to as an arranger," explains Howard, "making it my own and introducing this wonderful music to a much larger audience through the medium of solo and choral singing. The selection is itself a journey round the world." - Well worth a listen to)

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 02:11 PM

Thanks Mark. I agree with the general point you are making and the cautions others have made earlier. The range of music looks good whilst still staying in that area we call folk from these Islands or some such thing.

Irish people have been bringing music to Manchester for hundreds of years, they still do and it's wonderful. But to just push the idea a bit further Ukranians and Sikhs, to name but a few, have been playing music in Manchester for something like 50 odd years and its just as exciting as lots of other stuff and it is now Greater Manchester community music, just as much as Irish music is. So can we have a bit now and again?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 28 Aug 03 - 02:39 PM

I stopped listening to Mike Billington's programme when it got more than a little bogged down with World Music. A few years ago there seemed to be so much of a rush to embrace music from other cultures we ended up seriously neglecting our own.


As Mark has already pointed out if you check the GMR radio listings you'll see the diversity of music and culture in the Manchester area is well catered for....if you listen to Radio Lancashire's folk programme on Thursday between 8 and 9pm. you will find it heavily features music and song from the local artists and venues with a bias to the Lancashire tradition. Ali has already pointed out that she wishes to follow much the same format with regards to the Manchester folk scene...emphasis on the Folk!!

I'm not being disparaging about your ideas, Les but you'll find other ethnic music is quite well catered for....let's be greedy and hang onto our 50 minutes!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 29 Aug 03 - 04:56 AM

It's a good point though, isn't it? I definitely want to celebrate what's on / who's in in the GMR area, and that will always be my focus, but it would be good to have a flavour of other cultures on occasion, don't you think? Not sure where I'd get CD's from though.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester
Date: 30 Aug 03 - 04:28 AM

Alio,
sounds good to me. If the programme is to have a sense of individuality and local interest, as local radio generally does, then local music and local clubs are essential. But it won't be long before the programme begins to sound, well with no disrespect, a bit dull.   

Most local clubs feature musicians from all over the country and from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, North America, Australia, Canada.......... see a pattern here? It is a consequense of having a programme about Traditional music of largely English origin that this will be the case.

But we do love that Irish music don't we. So, I re-state my case for those old Mancunian Ukranians and Sikhs who have been playing music here longer than the current generation of Irish musicians.

I am more moved by the Four Loom Weaver and the Rocky Road to Dublin but the little bits of Sikh music hits the same spot and it is alive here Manchester. So, lets have a little bit now and again?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Peter Hood
Date: 30 Aug 03 - 01:44 PM

I just came back from the Western Isles--You wouldn't blelive the amount of music on the radio. BBC Radio Gael, nearly non stop trad music. I heard more folk music on the radio in a week than I'd hear in a year here.
And all the BBC. They don't seem to get bored up there, neither did I.
I'd think the new digital channels could possibly find room for a dedicated station.
Keep playing the stuff Ali, we won't get bored!
Peter


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 02 Sep 03 - 03:59 AM

Thanks for the info last night Harry. I wonder how many people would know what an "oleograph" is? As I said, it's a poor day when you learn nowt!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 02 Sep 03 - 02:29 PM

Cheers, Ali...thoroughly enjoyed the programme and it was nice to hear the track from El Greko!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 02 Sep 03 - 05:57 PM

Another meaning for oleograph is 'the pattern formed by a drop of oil spreading on water' - according to Collins.

I imagine that is more probably what Larry had in mind... ;o)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 03 Sep 03 - 01:58 PM

Whatever gives you that impression, Bernard?

The sleeve notes, whether written by Bert Lloyd or Larry, for the song 'I Mean to Wait for Jack' mention a nineteenth century oleograph (most definitely a print made to resemble a painting in oils) depicting the story of a boy and a girl reunited after the Peninsular War...the song itself being taken from a broadside published by Bebbingtons of Oldham Road, Manchester about 1880.

Can't quite see where the oily water pattern comes into this, me old mucker...

For anyone not really sure what we're going on about, Ali interviewed John Howarth of the Oldham Tinkers on Monday's programme and was asking the meaning of the word 'oleograph' in the sleeve notes pertaining to the above mentioned song. :0)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 03 Sep 03 - 02:09 PM

Whatever gives you that impression, Bernard?

The sleeve notes, whether written by Bert Lloyd or Larry, for the song 'I Mean to Wait for Jack' mention a nineteenth century oleograph (most definitely a print made to resemble a painting in oils) depicting the story of a boy and a girl reunited after the Peninsular War...the song itself being taken from a broadside published by Bebbingtons of Oldham Road, Manchester about 1880.

Can't quite see where the oily water pattern comes into this, me old mucker...

For anyone not really sure what we're going on about, Ali interviewed John Howarth of the Oldham Tinkers on Monday's programme and was asking the meaning of the word 'oleograph' in the sleeve notes pertaining to the above mentioned song. :0)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Harry Basnett
Date: 03 Sep 03 - 02:28 PM

Oops...."Seeing double"....(same album I think..)


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 04 Sep 03 - 03:49 AM

As I said, it's a poor day when you learn nowt! I thought John Howarth was brilliant - he's great to interview.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: VIN
Date: 04 Sep 03 - 04:40 AM

There's a nice picture of John with Lonnie Donegan on the Tinkers web-site with some interesting historical notes. Check it out.
www.oldhamtinkers.com


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester
Date: 06 Sep 03 - 03:28 AM

Great stuff Alio.

What's the chance of a repeat at another time or better still the programme being available through the week on the BBC website?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 08 Sep 03 - 08:57 AM

Not sure Les - I'll have to ask about that one.

I've got Bernard Wrigley in tonight, which should be another hilarious night, judging from his new CD! (Providing Virgin Trains get him in from London on time!!)

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton, Manchester
Date: 09 Sep 03 - 12:11 PM

Great to hear Bernard, what a talent and what a nice bloke. My wife once danced with him at the Royal Exchange in Manchester, during the interval of a play in which he was appearing. I first saw him with Dave Brookes in a club in 1927 or possibly 1937, well anyway. What of Dave does he still play tunes?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 13 Sep 03 - 08:49 AM

Don't know, sorry.

I agree about Bernard - he's a real gentleman, and hilarious with it! I'd have like to go to the Lowry, which is apparently sold out, although I think it clashes with Whittlebury Song and Ale, which I won't miss!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 14 Sep 03 - 04:04 AM

So, what joys do we have to look forward to on Monday, Alio?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 08:25 AM

It's Damhsa tonight - well, some of them anyway - the studio won't hold all 10 singers, musicians and dancers! Damhsa is pronounced "dowser" - like water divining!

We saw them 1st in the Endeavour pub in Whitby; it's so tiny that they had to perform as if they were on a bus - in 2 rows!! They were excellent...and so young!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 11:55 AM

Damhsa is pronounced "dowser" then. Where from and what do they do, if it's not too late?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 15 Sep 03 - 01:46 PM

Ah well, you'll have to listen (I know you do anyway!) - I'm just waiting for them to arrive.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 22 Sep 03 - 01:57 PM

Well it means "dance" in Gaelic, and I thought they were great! And really nice young gpeople as well. They're looking for festival bookings for 2004, and because they've not been going long they are VERY reasonable considering how many of them there are. They offer all sorts of extras as well - ceilidh, workshops, sessions etc..

Hughie Jones tonight, so that should be really interesting. I get a bit overwhelmed when I'm meeting these icons!!

It's getting a bit scary here at GMR - we go over to the new Radioman very soon, and it is SOOOO technical. I really need a co-presenter. Any offers out there? It doens't pay anything - except I'd buy you a few drinks!!!!

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 24 Sep 03 - 08:57 PM

If you're serious, I could help - I'm a sound techie during the day...


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 29 Sep 03 - 08:24 AM

Tonight's programme features Chris Pollington and Derek Gifford talking about the Lancashire voices project. An ongoing project that is setting out to record Lancashire singers/poets and performers of Lancashire songs/poems who wouldn't ordinarily make recordings of their own.


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Blowzabella
Date: 29 Sep 03 - 07:50 PM

Forgive me if this is a really stupid question - I'm not in the area to receive GMR, but probably not by much. I have, however, recently found myself in possession of satellite TV, which seems to come with quite a few radio stations - any chance i am able to receive and just don't know it yet? If so, can anyone tell me what to do?


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 30 Sep 03 - 04:41 AM

Unfortunately with satellite and cable TV you are stuck with the channels they give you - it's not like a conventional radio that can tune to any chosen frequency. Somehow I doubt that GMR is likely to be available, as it isn't 'mainstream' enough.

There's always an alternative... someone who is able to receive it could record the programme and send it to you... though there are copyright issues which need to be considered.

The BBC aren't archive recording the programme for economic reasons!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 30 Sep 03 - 05:27 AM

Sorry Blowzabella, I'm not technical enough to answer your question. Anyone else know?

It was good to hear your dad last night, wasn't it Mark? Especially as it was just after you were mentioned!! I had a job controlling those two - good job I know them well!!!

It's Shaun Hunter next week - I don't know who will be the most nervous! Him because it's his 1st interview, or me in the new studio!!!

Bernard - sorry for the delay; I've been out of the office since the middle of last week. If you're serious, it would be great to have you along - give me a call. By the way, I've had a letter from a gentleman who is interested in Trevor Morton's CD, as he enjoyed 'The Ode To Saint Tesco of Irlam'. How can he get a copy please?

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 30 Sep 03 - 06:16 AM

Ali

It sounded like you were having a good time!

That was the first thing my dad wrote - he was recovering from a bout of flu and wanted something to occupy his mind and came up with that poem. He's got five poems on the CD that was mentioned last night.
I'll have to ring him up and tell him he was on - we were at a folk club when that was going out - I heard it on the tape I make of the show when I got in later on. (The BBC might not be making archive copies...!)
I'm looking forward to being involved in the next project with the old Lancashire songs that Chris and Giff have unearthed in their trawl round the libraries.
Another project that Chris and I are doing at the moment is a CD of the songs of Harry Boardman (who got a couple of mentions last night) - nothing to do with "Lancashire Voices" but it's something we've both talked about in the past and we've nearly finished the recording. Should be available after Christmas and hopefully you'll have us in to chat about it sometime!

Bernard - I wouldn't mind a copy of Trevor's CD myself

Cheers
Mark


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 30 Sep 03 - 01:24 PM

It was a truly fascinating programme. It did what radio does so well. I don't want to offer any criticism because I have thoroughly enjoyed all the ones I have caught. I particularly enjoyed the old Lancashire flavour of last night.

I guess GMR can be heard within what, 50 miles? That takes in a lot of people in Yorkshire, Derbyshire and Cheshire. I am sure they are as fascinated by the Lancashire as I was but, apart from the fact it would be difficult to sustain, much other good stuff is going on in the GMR radius. Am I correct in thinking it could become part of future programmes?

I am not sure where Manchester ends and Lancashire begins, so to speak, but in either of these 2 historic areas will be found lots of other ethnic communities with fascinating folk traditions of music, song, dance story telling, customs.......... I believe the Irish have some stuff going on as do them Ukranians and Sikhs.......


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 30 Sep 03 - 07:52 PM

Sorry for the delay... I was at Morris practice!

I do still have a limited number of Trevor's CDs (and a cassette version) available if people want one. Cross my palm with a fiver, and one can be yours!

E-mail me with your address, and I'll post one out to you - postage and packaging costs around 75p. Alternatively, drift along to either the Railway (Thursdays) or the Open Door (Sundays)... but warn me in advance, because I don't carry them around with me!!

There was also a book of poems, but that's now out of print and we don't intend to print any more. However, I will be putting them all on the Railway Folk Club website in a few weeks' time to mark Trevor's anniversary (he died on January 23rd 2003).

PM on its way, Ali!


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Alio
Date: 01 Oct 03 - 05:27 AM

Mark, Chris did mention the Harry Boardman work, and we discussed you two coming on to the porgramme in the New Year, so I'm looking forward to that.

Les, I know what you're saying about all the other influences in the GMR area - I just chose to have a kind of a themed night on Monday, celebrating the Lancashire heritage. I'm still looking for music from the Ukrainian culture. Re Irish music - I try not to have too much of that as I'm mindful that the Parlour is just before my show, and I don't want to overdo things.

It's not easy getting (and maintaining) a balance.

Ali


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Subject: RE: New Folk Programme in Manchester 2
From: Bernard
Date: 20 Oct 03 - 07:48 PM

Tonight's guests were Shona Kipling and Damien O'Kane, who were absolutely terrific!

As promised, here is their e-mail contact address.


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