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BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos

Bob Bolton 23 Jul 03 - 09:05 PM
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raredance 22 Jul 03 - 06:47 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 09:05 PM

G'day RtS,

I understand that there were populations of some of the smaller wallabies, such as the pademelon, established in England and France in the 19th century. The idea was for them to be a sort of extra-large "rabbit" for the poor to supplement their table fare. (Well, in France, anyway ... I'm not sure the Poms wouldn't have regarded them as the local Lord/Squire's property and had you up for Kangaroo poaching (Yeah! I know ... up before a "Kangaroo Court".)

I think the smaller forest species would have survived fairly well ... I'm not sure how well they would have held up against energetic harvesting - let alone the local weather. I also think that the spread of pet dogs in post-WW II years would have knocked down numbers. (I don't think the poacher's lurcher would have been such a factor by then!)

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 04:18 AM

There was a group (herd?) feral on Cannock Chase in Staffordshire when I were a lad (could get there by tram and change from fourpence)but cold winters and roadkill has removed them all by now. I never did see one there.

RtS
(...the day war broke out....)


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 10:57 PM

G'day Helen,

The Aboriginal etymology for "pademelon" is from probably from Dharuk (Sydney region Aboriginal) badimaliyan - assimilated with more familiar English words.

The "story" about a "paddy full of melons" is about as reliable as any other etymology that needs a 'story' to explain it!

The reason they make good eating is that they are more forest dwelling than the big 'roos of the plains - probably less muscular, and so, more tender ... but the songs have two bob each way ... they are going to tenderise the Pademelon by judicious stewing! (Maybe they are also easier to catch, rather than wasting ammunition trying to shoot them ... doesn't the settler in Paterson's poem send his son out to "run down a pademelon ..."?)

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: raredance
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 06:47 AM

Good one, Hrothgar!

rich r


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: JennieG
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 05:37 AM

Hrothgar,
I couldn't possumbly add anything further without making a galah of meself!

Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Hrothgar
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 04:44 AM

All sorts of possumbilities, aren't there?

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: raredance
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 11:26 PM

I take some issue with the statement in the link above that North America has only 2 species of endemic marsupials. If only the USA is considered and Mexico is relegated to Central America, then there is only one, the Virginia oppossum. If Mexico is included in North America then one would have to add to the list the southern oppossum, water oppossum, grayish mouse oppossum, Mexican mouse oppossum, Robinson's mouse oppossum, Central American wooly oppossum, and the gray 4-eyed oppossum (no it doesn't really have 4 eyes, just a couple of curiously placed spots)

rich r


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Art Thieme
Date: 19 Jul 03 - 08:01 PM

Helen,

Thanks for your good info. I knew it was wallaby-like, but the details you posted pretty much let me see it clearly.

We have a similar recipe on the Illinois River here in Illinois. It is for the fish, CARP. You take the carp and wrap it in fresh horse manure. Dig a pit and put glowing coals at the bottom. Then the carp and then a layer of seaweed and a layer of gravel alternately until the pit is filled. Let that bake for several days. Then uncover it all, crack the dried horse manure off of the carp with an ax handle, throw away the fish and eat the dung.

It's interesting to folklorists that the AX survives in both tales. ;-)

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Helen
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 01:37 AM

Art,

It's also spelled pademelon (but same pronunciation as Paddy Melon).

http://www.dpiwe.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/BHAN-5384X4?open
Tasmanian Pademelon
Description
The pademelon (Thylogale billardierii) is a stocky animal with a relatively short tail and legs to aid its movement through dense vegetation. It ranges in colour from dark-brown to grey-brown above and has a red-brown belly. Males, which are considerably larger than females, have a muscular chest and forearms, and reach up to 12 kg in weight and 1 - 1.2 m in overall length, including the tail. Females average 3.9 kg in weight.

The unusual common name, pademelon, is of Aboriginal derivation. It is also sometimes referred to as the rufous wallaby.

Oddly enough another site says that the name Paddy Melon comes from the English words paddock and melon because on first sight the animals looked like a PADdock full of MELONS. Don't know about that one.

They probably do cook up pretty well, although I've never eaten any sort of roo-related meat. Aboriginals dined well on roos, though. I think it was a large part of their diet when the hunting was good.

Kangaroo meat is being served in some of the best Oz restaurants as a new taste sensation.

There is a well known recipe for the raucous birds known as galahs. (To refer to a person as "a bit of a galah" is not very complimentary. It can mean loud-mouthed and flashy, or it can mean that they are not to be taken as seriously as they take themselves.) The recipe is: Boil an axe head and a galah until the axe head is tender. Toss the galah and eat the axe head.

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Art Thieme
Date: 18 Jul 03 - 12:42 AM

The title of Paterson's poem is actually SANTA CLAUS IN THE BUSH.

aRT


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 09:52 PM

And then there's the "PADDY MELON"-------------as in Banjo Patterson's great poem 'Christmas In The Bush'. What are these close to??? And do they really make a good stew???

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 07:59 PM

Does Folk Roots (or fROOTS as they try to call it these days) get much of a sale in Australia?


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Helen
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 07:03 PM

The non-aussie 'Catters may have missed Bob Bolton's rather coy allusion so I, being much less coy, will spell it out for you.

Bob said: "(Oh yes ... the classic description of their diet is correct ... and its reapplication to ex-patriate Aussie blokes in Earls Court is apt.)"

Some Aussie males are described as wombats because a wombat eats roots, shoots and leaves. If you put an extra comma after the word "eats" and bear in mind that in Oz the word root means to have sexual intercourse (in a particularly macho context, i.e. it's never used, except in a joking way, in the context of intimate, warm relationships but aptly describes a one-night-stand, for example) then....

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 05:58 PM

Oi, us solid animals can be pretty nippy coming over there to slap you upside the head!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 08:31 AM

G'day Hrothgar, (as I was writing when the damned thing decided to depart)

What the poms (did) play with a WOMBAT was war games. It was the acronym for Weapon Of Mobility Battalion Anti- Tank ... an artillery-sized recoilless weapon firing 'shaped-charge' anti-tank projecttiles (now superseded by a MOBAT).

Billy: Death of a Wombat was an odious pile of marsupial droppings ... all that rubbish about poor lumbering wombat being overtaken by the fire. The author should watch wombats disturbed from their usual habits by fire or flood - but not stand in their way! They are capable of a spectacular turn of speed for such a solid animal.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 08:21 AM

G'day Hrothgar,

What the poms (did) play with a WOMBAT


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 07:57 AM

Gurney,

Wash your mouth with Sunlight. That quote was pre-Rob, goes back to Kiwi Kieth days, and it was an NZBC announcer, methinks...

Anyway.. going back to 'Robber Muldoon' - He's the only PM (or GG) that I haven't spun the bull with in the past 40 years...

I was at a party with him in the late 70s, I was bar-steward, and he was so short I didn't see him...;)

Sam(nobulent)


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 07:16 AM

WOM, Hrothgar?

WOM =

1. Wild Old Man
2. Wife Of Mine
etc....

But, to me, WOM = Word of Mouth. He/she/it was a wee cartoon character I drew in the early 80s for Outdoor Education here in NZ. And yeah, there was a sketch of 'Wom' with a Wom-bat...

I do NOT want to remember that phase of life, but will try to find some "Wom" cartoons, and post 'em somewhere...

Now I'm turning into a "Sentimental Bloke", and being charitable to those who live to the left of the Tasman. Talking of wombats. Helen and Bob, remember "Death of a Wombat"? We had a replay on the wireless a few months back....

"Waddle and crump...." - Sam, who's misty-eyed, thinking of past times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Gurney
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 06:50 AM

You've forgotten already....
Helen, when a NZ Prime Minister named Muldoon was chided about Kiwi immigration into Oz, he pointed out that "That should raise the average IQ in both countries..."
He had some other quotable quotes, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Hrothgar
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 06:41 AM

If you play cricket with a cricket bat, what do you play with a wombat?


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 04:39 AM

LtS - I'm pleased to hear my countrymen are doing something useful in the UK. As to your opinions on koalas, we'll grin and bear it.

Cheers - Sam

BTW, you'll be pleased to know I got your revenge on my 'Kuddly Koala' when I was a kid - it got piddled on more than once when I wet the bed - Yours Incontinently - Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 04:26 AM

Blimey - there are more New Zealanders outside of NZ than in it and most of them are running pubs and bars in London!

LTS

You are never going to change my opinions on koalas. Sorry, that's life, accept it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 17 Jul 03 - 12:14 AM

Aw, shucks, Helen - I meant to say "Auzzie marsupial". BTW, don't bother sending our ex-pats back..... ;)

Cheers - Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Helen
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 11:09 PM

"The Kiwi (human variety) is another New Zealander which was imported into Oz, in the late 18??s, and is now 'public enemy #1', stripping foliage from trees in the bush, spreading human TB, etc. Millions are spent each year trying to keep numbers down."

Sorry, Sam - couldn't resist it.

Would the last person leaving NZ please turn the lights off.

"A severe natural disaster has hit NZ and hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost. Various countries have sent huge amounts of financial aid to help rebuild the country. Australia has sent over hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders."

Helen
(ducking and running)


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 10:26 PM

G'day Liz,

I'll endorse Bob's comment about the koala's attitude - especially if it was forced to exist in Auckland.

There are feral wallabies in a few parts of NZ, and they can be quite a hassle for farmers. The best known place is near the South Canterbury, town of Waimate. They have been hunting them for years, and were talking of ereecting a 20 metre tall model as the town's icon. That project didn't get off the ground. They even export Wallaby Pies to Auckland. However, some of the locals have a more friendly attitude to the beasties.

The brush-tail opposum is another Aussie which was imported into NZ, in the late 1800s, and is now 'public enemy #1', stripping foliage from trees in the bush, spreading bovine TB, etc. Millions are spent each year trying to keep numbers down.

Cheers - Sam


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: JennieG
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 09:42 PM

Some years ago a doco was made about wombats, it was called "Wombats: bulldozers of the bush" - a very accurate description. I reckon you have to admire any animal that just puts head down and ambles through life never letting anything...fences, doors....get in its way.
I work at a school only a few miles from the centre of Sydney, and we have brush-tailed possums in our trees. I was told that a few years ago a possum got into an open staff room window and went to sleep on a teacher's desk - "poor thing" she said and went to pick it up to put it back outside - it bit her and she had to have a tetanus shot!
Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 09:00 PM

G'day Liz,

Well, it was off in foreign Kiwiland ... no wonder it was pissed off!

Actually, they reckon a lot of the torpid expression of koalas comes from their intestinal battle with the eucalyptus leaves they eat ... quite a lot of our gum trees lace their leaves with a protective cocktail of poisons - in the case of the Sydney Blue Gum (eucalyptus saligna) the early form has a particularly high level of cyanide ... one of the reasons its juvenile leaves look so blue.

BTW: Back under the Whitlam Labor government of the early '70s, the Minister for Tourism was trying to sell Australian tourism on more than "just cuddling koalas", which, he remarked, were liable scratch and piddle on you. Some time later, the newly selected Miss Australia was trotted off for a photo session with a koala ... which did indeed piddle on her. Minister for Tourism dashed off a telegram: "I told you so!".

Little Hawk: In fact, wombats are the closest relatives of the koala ... which has been described as "a re-arborialised wombat". Apart from the distinct resemblances in face, build and stature, the real indicator is the koala's reversed pouch ... opening downwards. This is essential to the wombat, a burrowing animal, so that its young escape accidental inhumation ... but just trains koala cubs to hang on tight ... from day one!

Wombats are unpopular with farmers (what isn't?) because they just walk straight through any but the stoutest fences. I did hear of a Victorian farmer who fitted very sturdy "wombat flaps" across established wombat pads ... the wombats can push straight through them, but the sheep can't ... unfortunately most farmers try to eradicate them - by blocking, if no longer killing.

They are pretty good escape artists - from an early age. On a visit to the Western Plains Open Zoo, at Dubbo, I had just walked through the "Friendship Farm" - a children's area which has to have cages and pens to let kids approach safe and tame animals (as against the rest of the zoo, which uses variously enhanced "ha-has" instead of fences). I was walking out to the main area when I noticed something bumping against the back of my boots ... it was a young wombat trailing closely at my heels! I had to turn back and find a zookeeper, who explained that this one was escaping from everything they locked it in. Once out, it presumably went looking for Mum ... and the back of my brown elastic-sided boots must have been the closest it could spot to the back view of Mum. (The comments on my physique, offered by my wife, brother and sister-in-law were entirely un-called-for!).   

It is worth remembering that the rear end of a wombat is quite formidable ... described as something between a whale-bone corset and a suit of armour. When (young) dingos foolishly pursue wombats into their burrows, they are often killed. The wombat, if pursued right down the burrow, will stop and squat down ... if the dingo tries to climb up on its back - the wombat just stands up and crushes the dingo against the roof of the burrow!

(Oh yes ... the classic description of their diet is correct ... and its reapplication to ex-patriate Aussie blokes in Earls Court is apt.)

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 01:19 PM

Wombats are like mobile cushions with long claws for digging and a permanently baffled expression.

Bob - the koala that was forced upon me was in Auckland Zoo, NZ, it reeked of yuckyliptus and had a look in it's eyes that made Jimi Hendrix look 'with it' and coherent. I avoided its grasp and it made for the next person and immediately pissed down his front. I don't like koalas.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 12:41 PM

This is great stuff. So...what are wombats like?

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 09:04 AM

G'day Liz the S:

I think whatever koala you met must have been eating some English substitute for uts prefered eucalyptus. Eucalyptus smells fine ... and koalas smell no worse than most wild animals ... they undoubtedly think that we stink!

Sorcha: Some of our Australian 'possums are quite cute - although the ones most likely to be around outer suburban homes - the large brushtail possums, can be pretty determined to stay where they want to be (your roof ... or you kitchen pantry, given half a chance). We have a few tiny ones that weigh as little as 5 grams ... they can climb up a stout blade of grass ... and live on small insects - ar a specialised diet of nectars. (These are in remote areas ... and rarely seen ... being a fraction of the size of a house mouse.)

I often stay with friends who care for injured / lost wildlife ... and specialise in macropods and opossums. When you wander outside their house after dusk, you are likely to bump into wallabies of possums that think Helen (not Mudcat's Helen) is their mum. She relocates recovered males in remote areas, but often releases females near her bushland home, when there is room for another. One wallaby has been bringing each year's new joey back to show Helem/Mum for 6 or seven years now.

I haven't had as close encounters with the possums, apart from one ringtail that must be shortsighted - it pops down from a nearby gum tree ... then is quite disappointed to find it's only me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: JennieG
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 06:56 AM

Gurney, you read it correctly - a female roo can have 3 young 'uns on the go at once, in different stages of development.
Lordy lordy...I thought one at a time was fearsome enough.....!
Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 04:09 AM

Beg your pardon, just forgot that I just left in this thread

Wilfried


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 16 Jul 03 - 04:06 AM

Let me try to solve the mystery of more than one platypus:
Platypi (Latin) also is the modern pronunciation of platypoi (Greek). Both forms are wrong, unfortunately. Like with the octopus (eightfoot) one part of the name platypus (flatfoot) is Greek pous (foot), stem: pod*. So the correct plural should be platypodes.
But for the average use I think we can stick to the homely platypuses. But be aware of a clear and distinguished pronounciation: in slurred speech it could be mistaken for platypussy (the platypus' girl friend).

A hail to Fosters and McGrath for the marsupials around Loch Lomond!
Wilfried


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Gurney
Date: 15 Jul 03 - 06:36 AM

From spotty memory;
Only male Platypuses (Platypi?) have poisonous spines, and they are the only mammal that does.
When recovering population after a cull, Kangaroos and Wallabies are a very efficient production line, and can have a Joey alongside, a Joey in the pouch, and an embryo in the womb.
I read it, so it must be true. Heh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Hrothgar
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 07:58 AM

Probably be better of getting jobs in oubs - as bouncers.

I was just leaving.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 07:30 AM

This Glasgow Zoo site mentions the Peak District wallabies - and also has this rather charming note about Scottish wallabies:

In Scotland, Lady Arran maintains a very large colony on one of the larger islands; Inchcailloch, on Loch Lomond, from where, in severe winters, some hop across the frozen loch surface to live in the woodlands at the lochside. From time-to-time these are seen (or narrowly missed) by car-borne tourists, causing great consternation.

I love the image of a mob of wallabies hopping across the frozen loch in time to a rendering of "Loch Lomond". They could use it as an advert for Australian Lager.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 07:20 AM

Wallabies have been hopping around the Peak District of Derbyshire since late twenties/early thirties - as far as I know they are still there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 04:34 AM

All quiet on the koala front then..... God, they stink!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Callie
Date: 14 Jul 03 - 02:47 AM

Platypodes is the correct plural I believe!

At the beginning of the year when there were fires around the middle of the state I was visiting Canberra. When they said the roos had come into town to escape the fires they weren't wrong. Driving through suburban streets after gig I saw a roo standing tall at the local bus-stop - looking up the street as though waiting for a bus. Thing is, he'd missed the last bus by a few hours!

Callie


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Sorcha
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 11:50 PM

Now listen up--WHO says possums aren't cute?? I love 'em and the adult one we caught in the yard last summer did NOT 'play possum' and it was after dark too. He hissed and spit and did everything else he could, but he ended up in cat crate anyway. I wanted to keep him but They wouldn't let me so he ended up getting a new home down on the river.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: JennieG
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 09:39 PM

When my kids were small they referred to both kangaroos and wallabies as "kangawallaflopses" - a word that is still used in our house. On the south coast of New South Wales is a lovely spot called Pebbly Beach where the kangaroos come out of the bush onto the beach. Although they move amongst humans fearlessly they are still wild animals, as the occasional tourist has found out. When my older son was about 8 he was eating some food - bread, I think - at Pebbly Beach and was attacked by a hungry roo; neither was hurt although Stephen was a bit shaken up!
In Canberra the Governor-General's rather nice house has large roos in the backyard (it's a big backyard), they come into suburbia.
But I still reckon the King and Queen of them all is The Wombat.
Cheers
JennieG


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 09:07 PM

Well I believe, pedantically, the appropriate plural, as Greek words, would be platypoi and octopoi. But I'd go in practice for -puses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Helen
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 07:29 PM

Sam, watch out or I'll hop right over the Tasman and box your ears!

Little Hawk, our kangaroos and emus do need to be liberated. Unfortunately kangaroos are being killed for pet food (there is often a population explosion of them and this is deemed to solve the problem, but it is really the graziers - farmers with grazing livestock like dairy cows, and sheep - who think that they are a threat to their profits. Emus are being farmed for their meat as well. The only way I could eat either is if I were starving with nothing else to eat, i.e. the Aboriginal way of life, but I wouldn't be clever enough to catch them.

Amos, now I get the joke. Clever!
Another aside: the word playtpus comes from the Greek and not the Latin so the plural is not platypi but platypuses, and similarly with octopuses.

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: okthen
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 04:36 PM

Amos, surely baby wallaby's are wannabe's

ducking and running
bill


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 04:11 PM

I wouldn't doubt it. The prevailing $ySStem managed to exterminate not only the buffalo, but also most of the original inhabitants of those areas.

Man, this thread has drifted far afield. And it's all my fault. :-)

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 02:57 PM

That's the Government - but I was reading somewhere that there are huge areas of the USA where fewer people are living than there were 50 or even a hundred years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 02:39 PM

Well, maybe in Canada and Mexico, McGrath, but certainly not in the godfearing USA! The Bush administration is in the business of EXPORTING "democracy" by force, not establishing it on the home turf! No siree. It's the rest of the World that has to shape up, boyo, not the "land of the free and the home of the brave" where everything is danged near perfect or would be if we could just imprison all the liberals, Ay-rabs, and crack dealers.

Boing! Boing! Boing! Love them 'roos! More bounce to the ounce.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 02:23 PM

And I assume a similar package of continenetal improvement for North America?

The way things are going I suppose a future in which virtually everyone lives in a few mega-cities and suburbs, and the rest of the planet is left to recover is quite on the cards. More especially in places like Australia and America, but even in Europe there are regions whch are becoming virtually depopulated.

Wallabies have escaped from a number of zoos in England, including Whipsnade, and they do quite well surviving at first, but the occasional hard winter always seems to have done for them sooner or later. I don't know if they've fared better in any other parts of the world where they aren't native.


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 02:14 PM

Thanks again. Lovely animals indeed. I think all the white folks in Australia should be confined to a small restricted area in order that the kangaroos and wallabies are not bothered overly much. Then excursions could be arranged so that curious marsupials get a chance to see the white people (who would be safely confined behind chain-link fences). I suggest that urban areas such as metropolitan Canberra, Sydney, and a handful of other spots be used in this fashion, leaving the rest of the country gloriously free for crocodiles, 'roos, platypuses, and all the rest. Koalas could serve as park security and man the gates.

If I can talk George Bush into backing this idea, you may expect an uninvited visit from 150,000 or so heavily armed American troops within a year or two, to carry out this liberation and democratization policy for Oz. I said "if". I'm not sure he'll go for it, because kangaroos don't have much financial clout at all on the international commodity exchanges...but they ARE cute and telegenic, which should guarantee support from the American public, specially when they hear about the horrific atrocities suffered by momma kangaroos and their joeys in your secret chemical warfare labs, where you manufacture those WMD's that we all know you've got hidden...somewhere.

If he does go for it, just remember this: "resistance is futile" :-)

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Question about wallabies and kangaroos
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jul 03 - 01:00 PM

And then you've got wallaroos, which are in-between sized. Here's a site with a few pictures.

Possum saren't the only non-Australiam marsupial;s: "Australia has about 120 species of marsupials, New Guinea has 53 species of marsupials, South and Central America have 90 species of marsupials, and North America has only two species of marsupials." - that is from this site.

You learn something new every day on the Mudcat.


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