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Frankham 19 Jun 03 - 06:23 PM
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Subject: BS: John Kerry
From: Frankham
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 06:23 PM

John Kerry is being supported by Move On. He has a petition online to sign to keep the reactionary judges out of the judiciary.



He may be the guy to beat Bush. I hope that the election doesn't go Green because it will be a shoo-in for Bush. I hope the American public is smart enough not to fall for that.

He may not be the ideal candidate but he can beat Bush.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 07:21 PM

It will be interesting to see the reaction of the knee-jerk Bushies to Kerry's charge that Bush misled the American public about the reasons for the Iraq war. If the jerks cry foul, there wouldn't seem to be much hope for Kerry.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 08:44 PM

Let's face it. The Democrtas can't beat Bush in '04 if they run God Himself (Ahhhh, sorry Big Guy...).

They have no access to the media at all. If Bush sneezes, it makes the front page of every newspaper in America. If Kerry talks about universal health care, it makes 10% of the papers and the article is found on page 4. Guarenteed. The media loves Bush. Heck, he's given 'em everything they want with the deregulation at the FCC.

They did everything in their power to help Bush on "00. They fell fir the "Dubya" scheme which created this false oimpresion of this cuddly little stuffed animal. They didn't ask about his past drug abuse, or his womanizing, or his boozing, or his being an "alcoholic". No, they gave him a pass.

So why would any Democrat think they had a chance of winning? Heck, they can't even harmonize. Here we have a crook in the White House whose boys are looting America and what do the Dems do? Well, I'll tell ya' what they do. Nothing. Bunch of wimps. Heck, they should at least all got together and agree that America ain't better off with a crook fir a danged president. That would be a major first step.

Sorry about the rant but the Dems are a bunch of loosers...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 10:49 PM

Well, danged, Frank. I'm sorry but I think I kilt off yer thread.(Ahhhh, like what's a guy to do?....)

Well, I'm sorry, I din't mean to put no damper on Mr. Kerry's campaigne.

Hey, as far as anyone who is tryin' to get the current very (*very*) dangerous administration out of D.C., ahhhhh, I'm fir 'em... Green or not...I'm fir 'em...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: toadfrog
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 10:54 PM

Hey Bobert, don't knock Bush--your guy put him where he is today! I'll bet anything statistics will show, without the West Virginia Greens, no Bush!


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 11:25 PM

Oh Toadster, the guilt... the nightmares... the waking up drenched in sweat... the despair.... the... the.. the.

Oh, woe is me! I did it! I did it! Idid it!

Memo

TO: the human race

FROM: the bobert

RE: Guilt

Well danged, world! I'z sorry. I really is! But unless the Dems get real (unlikely...) then Iz gonna have to go Green agin and be back here in a year 'er two..... confessin'.

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 11:30 PM

John Kerry is Skull and Bones. Same frat as GWBush. Grow up, people. They all need to be on trial for treason. The only choice you have is to ignore the obvious or continue the partisan bickering these murderers force on you.

All American soldiers need to lay down their arms and demand a return ticket home. All American voters need to physically block the polling places. America's govt has been hijacked by the Bushes and Kerrys and Clintons of the world who serve internationalist purposes. Boycott them. Spit on them at rallies. Spread the word.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 11:41 PM

Come on, GUEST... Ahhh, like we aibn't gonna start an American revolution by spittin' on folks. Yer either gonna have to pat 'rm on the back and out manuvre 'em... or kill em'....

Ol' bobert going fir the back slappin'....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 12:10 AM

Here you go, Bobert. Thought I'd post this when I ran across you again. This article ... The Screwing of Cynthia McKinney lays out some pretty ugly facts. Palast is wrong about McKinney not making the statement ... she made the statement but read the article down to the part about Andrew Young and Vernon Jordan.

These people...national leaders of Democrat and Republican stripe...are in the money and power grab together. Cynthia McKinney was redistricted out of power because she was hounding the Bushes. She's lucky she wasn't Wellstoned...he would have had Bush up on impeachment charges by now if he hadn't 'crashed'. But look at the actions of the Barrick Company and how silent Young and Jordan were when it came to protecting McKinney. One of their own. Fellow Georgian. Black. Democrat. But they have their gold interests to protect.

The system is far beyond broke. And it won't fix itself. I plan to slap 'em on the back HARD.

DG


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 12:33 AM

Dreaded Guest, just where do you plan to stand when you're spittin' away? Should be amusing.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 12:54 AM

Dear Ebbie...the last time you addressed me you were telling me what an agonizing death I'd die for speaking my mind. I doubt I'll see any of the bigwigs in my part of the hinterlands, and I sure wouldn't drive to see a dog turd when I have plenty in my back yard, so I'll just spit over the internet.

But come on now...Skull and Bones. They sacrifice people at the compound at Yale. I don't know if they're Satanists or just lunatics, but they eat off Hitler's china there. Coffin rituals. Etc. Screw John Kerry. These people want to strip you of all rights and kill you.

Section 802 of the PATRIOT Act declares you a domestic terrorist if you break a law. The Supreme Court just ruled the Sept 11 terrorists can be held forever without review, while Ashcroft keeps lying to us and telling us they're all 'foreign al Qeada terrorists', though some of them were plucked out of their businesses in Michigan and Texas just because the govt wanted an Arab name. American citizens denied all legal rights, while Ashcroft still lies and says these are 'temporary measures' targeting 'foreigners'. So fine. Shoot me for pointing this out.

Americans troops are now going to murder for Israel. Screw Israel. The supreme court just ruled you can be drugged in the Bush's Wackenhut prisons against your will. Screw the supreme court. Any law passed which contradicts the US Constitution is null and void upon its passage. 9th and 10th Amendments and Marbury vs Madison. How dare these pigs threaten me. YOU better start spitting back.

I was in a car wreck last week and was faced with 3 medical situations. Emergency room, X-ray, pharmacy. At all 3 places I encountered 'Privacy Protection' forms. New forms since the last time I had a medical situation (well before Sept 11). All 3 forms were misleading. In reading the first one, I noticed my signature wouldn't 'protect' my right to privacy, but I would be signing away my Fourth Amendment right to privacy. If I signed the form, I'd be giving 'tribunal administrators' and 'the President or his designees' access to my medical information.

I lectured the entire emergency room on constitutional protections and refused to sign. Same thing with the X-ray and pharmacy. Lectures and outrage at the top of my lungs, and I didn't sign any of it. ALL OF YOU better be doing this, or America is dead.

Really IS time for my medication now. End of sermon.

DG


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 01:40 AM

There...that's better. But since I scarred this thread anyway with my entries, let me re-create my last interaction regarding the 'Privacy Protection' form I described above. By the time I stumbled into the local pharmacy after my trip to the big city (small town Texas here...on the courthouse square...think of 'The Last Picture Show'), I stumbled in, seeking surcease of pain. I was presented with a form by the counter-girl, freshly graduated from the local high school, and it's the third such form I've seen that day. The one she shoves at me is 4 photocopied pages stapled together. The pharmacist is filling my prescription and the girl says:

Her: Oh, you'll need to sign this.

Me: What is it?

Her: It's a privacy protection thing.

Me: I've seen a couple others today. Where's the part about the military tribunals?

Her: Huh?

Me: The part where I sign away my Fourth Amedment protections against fascist military people blowing my head off.

Her: It's just a privacy protection form.

Me: No it's not. It's a form where I SIGN AWAY that protection. Have you read it?

Her: Well, no....

(I flip to page 3 and use a pen to stab the paragraph which mentions militray tribunal administrators. The pen sticks in the top of the hundred-year-old counter.)

Me: I suggest you read this and pay special attention to that paragraph. It is unconstitutional. It is un-American. It is the type of document military dictatorships issue.

(She looks nervously at the pharmacist, who is fixing to hand me a controlled substance)

Me: Have you ever read the Constitution?

Her: No. I mean, I guess so. In school.

(I look at the form again and see the paragraph below the stabbed one mentions giving my medical information to the 'President or any of his designees'. I pick up another pen and stab that paragraph, too. Two pens in the counter now)

Me: JESUS would need a court-issued subpoena to get that information. How DARE you shove a piece of Soviet trash like this at me? I refuse to sign.

(She looks at the pharmacist again)

Me: Don't look at him for help. This is YOUR problem. I refuse to sign your Nazi document, so I suggest you make a note of my name and all that for the Gestapo...

(She actually starts to do it. Pulls a pen out of the counter and starts to write down my name, etc. on a scratch pad.)

Me: Great. And when you're done. Walk to the courthouse over there and nail it to the door! I refuse to go quietly into your fascist night! And I suggest you investigate the Constitution, and the Patriot act, and this here form and decide whether you want concentration camps in your future. Because THAT is where this form leads...to the absolute annihilation of you and your family at the hands of a tyrannical government...blah, blah, blah.

(The pharmacist eventually walks over and interrupts my chinwag with the girl, and I have to pull the other pen out of the counter top to sign for the medication. The girl tells me to have a nice day on my way out. You do what you can.)


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 08:39 AM

John Kerry won the Silver Star in Vietnam, and later tossed it onto the steps of the Pentagon during an antiwar protest.

This will be used against him, just as Clinton's draft resistance was used against him.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Frankham
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 08:55 AM

John Kerry has shown some integrity which will not be lost on some of the American people. He is not Bush or Bush-lite. He's not skull and bones. He's not perfect. What candidate is? There are issues where I would part company with him but I'm talking beating Bush. No one has come up with a solution here but is wallowing in negativity about what can be done.

I know this, another vote for Nader or for the Green Party is a vote for Bush. I don't like it and I don't think others do either but this is the political reality in which we live.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST,Sammy
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 11:54 AM

It is my understanding that MoveOn.org has not endorsed anyone yet, because their online primary won't be held until June 23rd.

Instructions for registering to vote in their online primary (it is very simple, and you only need provide your name and email account) can be found here:

http://www.moveon.org

I appreciate that Kerry isn't Bush, and that he is the big money candidate for the Democrats. I also understand that a vote for any third party candidate is a vote for Bush--not just a Green candidate.

However, that doesn't mean I will necessarily vote Democratic. At some point, the progressive left needs to get seriously organized to make a stand against the fascist takeover of the US government. Now would be an excellent time to do just that.

But to my way of thinking, it is ludicrous to think that voting for the big money candidate of either the Republican or Democratic parties will bring about the necessary change that needs to happen. John Kerry will not work to repeal of the US Patriot Act, or work to repeal the Bush tax cuts, or release of perpetual prisoners held without due process or habeas corpus rights in the US and in Guantanamo Bay, bring an end to the perpetual war and the perpetual war economy, etc.

And if the Democratic presidential candidate won't take on that work, then what is the point of electing them?


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST,Sammy
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 11:58 AM

I meant to mention that MoveOn.org was founded by Clinton Democrats, and they by no means are representative of the grassroots progressive wing of the Democratic party, which is leaving the party in droves because of the takeover by right wing Republocrats like Clinton, Gore, and Lieberman.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 01:17 PM

John Kerry DID belong to Skull and Bones while at Yale. Skull and Bones Membership List. He ate off Hitler's china. Now he wants to eat off Nancy Reagan's million-dollar china.

Communist China couldn't have hit Taiwan with nuclear missiles in 1993, but now, thanks to Bill Clinton, they have MIRV technology capable of obliterating the US. There is NO difference between Clinton/Bush/Kerry/Nader/Perot. They are all working for the destruction of America in the name of global corporate profit.

As an example...GWBush is going to continue Clintons ban on 'assault weapons'. Political suicide for a 'conservative' like Bush. But the measure will be tacked on at the last minute to some appropriations measure, and Bush will say he had no choice but to sign the funding bill or the govt would have ground to a stop, and we can't have that while we're at war. So conservatives will accept an expanded list of guns considered 'assault weapons'...this, coming from a Republican, conservative, 'gun rights' Prez and congress. And it's all illegal since it violates the Second, Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution. This is being done as one small additional step in the disarming of America. Enough of those steps, and you won't be able to defend yourself against the armed thugs who tell you to get on the bus for the ride to the 'relocation center'. This isn't rocket science, people. Carry a gun and you'll never be raped again. Keep a gun in the house and no drug-crazed maniac can break in and cut your childrens' throats. Guns are merely tools, but they're being demonized so the Bushes and Kerrys of the world can turn us over to slave-labor camps. Wal-Mart wants American slave labor instead of the Chinese slave labor they're currently employing.

At the presidential level, the Dem or Rep will be working for the international Organized Crime cartel. Dem and Rep are no longer options, and Green and other parties are just used to siphon off votes. The system is broken. John Kerry is no solution. He wants to kill you.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Frankham
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 01:52 PM

Guest Sammy,
How do you know that John Kerry will not work to repeal of the US Patriot Act, or work to repeal the Bush tax cuts, or release of perpetual prisoners held without due process or habeas corpus rights in the US and in Guantanamo Bay, bring an end to the perpetual war and the perpetual war economy? We don't know exactly what he will do until he's in office.

Other Guest,

You say that "There is NO difference between Clinton/Bush/Kerry/Nader/Perot. They are all working for the destruction of America in the name of global corporate profit."
This might be an effective propaganda mechanism to divide and conquer. How do we know that this isn't a Republican dirty tricks campaign to keep Bush in office? (Shades of Lee Atwater). An anonymous Guest with no name attached, could be anyone.

I disagree that there are no differences between these men. To say they are working for the destruction of America is a gross generalization. I don't think that Bush is actively working for the destruction of America. I believe that he is just misguided. I know that Ralph Nader is not actively working for the destruction of America in the name of global corporate profit. His history of going after corporate America belies any of this.

As to Move On's endorsement...please explain this.


Last Updated June 20, 2003 @ 8:40 AM, EDT

John Kerry needs your vote - please sign up NOW to participate in the MoveOn.org Presidential Primary poll:
http://www.moveon.org/pac/reg/ .

As to the Skull and Bones deal, I have to be convinced that this is the same John Kerry.

I have to be convinced that this site is accurate and not just another Sludge Report. This guy is writing the autobiography of David Rockefeller. This website is the one for this information. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bones.htm

Frank Hamilton

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 02:09 PM

Saying that Kerry doesn't have a chance could go along way to insuring that Kerry doesn't have a chance. Come on, people!

From what I've seen so far, the Democrats have several pretty good candidates and I presume things will shake out as they go along. Frankly, I'd vote for Spongebob Squarepants if I thought he offered a genuine alternative and could get the Bush administration out of there before they can finish ruining the country!

Don Firth

P.S: Hi, DG!   Why don't you drop by Sand Point sometime?   They have a nice cell reserved for you.   Padded, even. . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST,Sammy
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 03:18 PM

Frank,

The websites of a number of candidates are putting out information about the MoveOn.org primary vote. I don't know for certain where you got the information you cut and pasted in your 1:52 post, as you don't provide any information to your cite. However, it looks to me like you got it at Kerry's website, here:

http://www.johnkerry.com/site/PageServer?pagename=HomePage


Dennis Kucinich is making his appeal for our votes in the MoveOn.org primary here:

http://thespiritoffreedom.com/

And Howard Dean's website is providing a link to the MoveOn primary here:

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer

So, Kerry has not been endorsed by MoveOn.org. He is asking for people to vote for him in their primary, so that he will receive their endorsement.

Hope that clears things up.

There are other viable Democratic candidates who could beat Bush, IMO. Howard Dean is one, despite the fact that the pundits have already counted him out of the running. Those same pundits dismissed Bill Clinton at this point in the race in 1992, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST,Sammy
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 03:26 PM

Sorry Frank, I realize I didn't answer your question as to how I know that Kerry won't work to repeal the US Patriot Act, etc.

In reviewing his issues page on his website, he makes no mention of the issues that are most important to me. He voted for war against Iraq. He has supported nearly every regressive Bush "security" measure. If I'm going to vote for someone who supports Bush so strongly, why not just vote for Bush?


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 04:25 PM

Yeah yeah yeah, Don. I expect we're all headed that way. The Supreme court just ruled the US can use the old Soviet system of declaring ANY prisoner 'insane' and forcibly medicate him or her. So it's coming.

As for Nader, he KNEW he would help defeat the candidate with ideals closer to those of the liberal way of thinking. He KNEW it, yet he did what Perot did to Bush # 1. Nader and Perot were complicit spoilers. shame on them. Whores. Perot I could understand, but Nader? Mr. Product Safety? Sad, sad spectacle.

We DO have a third party in the US, and it is anyone who can act as an effective spoiler for the international Organized Criminal bankers. I wouldn't be surprised if Al Gore goes Bull Moose this time to help defeat the Dems.

John Kerry ATE OFF HITLER'S CHINA AT THE YALE COMPOUND OF SKULL AND BONES, PEOPLE! As did GW. We're in a WHOLE lotta trouble when those are the best and the brightest.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 04:49 PM

Senator Kerry went to Yale before going to Vietnam. His biography is here.

Assuming that he was "Skull and Bones" at Yale, so what? Lots of people have been. Whether or not I think such secret societies -- or regular fraternities, for that matter -- are good or bad is irrelevant to the world at large.

I have lots of other things to do besides worry because of someone else's paranoia.

Guest, I'd vote for Moloch if s/he offered a viable choice against GWB.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Frankham
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 06:14 PM

Sammy, got an update from the Move On people. I'm on their list.
This comes from their website.


"So we're moving forward. If one of the nine candidates receives more than 50% of the vote next Tuesday and Wednesday, we will officially endorse that candidate."

AS to Kerry supporting Bush, not sure about this. He has gone against the way Bush has handled Iraq. You can see more about this on his website. He has also been an outspoken critic against the Vietnam War. That doesn't sound like Bush to me. I really don't know his position on Iraq except to say that he has made some statements against it. You can read about it on JohnKerry.com.

Kucinich is an appealing candidate to me as well but I don't think he can beat Bush. I think Kerry might be able to.

I know he would like to dump Ashcroft and keep civil liberties in tact.

As to the Skull and Bones thing, I agree with Rapaire. It's a Yale thing and there are all kinds of secret organizations such as the Masons and they are sometimes amorphous. I don't see Kerry as supporting Hitler as the anonymous Guest seems to think.

Here's the deal, you never know what a candidate is really going to do and they do say different things at different times to different audiences. It's part of the political game. None of them "walk on water." The question that remains is this...can the country stand four more years of Bush?

It's been the lesser of two evils for years. It's a trap that unfortunately is a part of our current political system. There is no evidence to support its change in the immediate future.

Get someone like Kerry in and perhaps if it doesn't work out, someone better might come along. At least Bush will be defeated.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 07:15 PM

Oh yeah...Kucinich is real appealing. He's the one who introduced the 'space based weapons' bill to microwave babies. Geez peeple. Those K Kandidates don't offer much hope...worshipping Hitler and nuking babies. Flip the Rolodex...anything under the L's?


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Frankham
Date: 21 Jun 03 - 06:41 PM

Guest,

I was referring to Kucinich's stand on the war in Iraq. Here's the problem, there's so many discontented, dyspeptic and negative pseudo-lefties out there who are big on criticism but offer no constructive solutions to anything. Hitler comes up, and all kinds of extreme personality references.

There is no ideal candidate. Sorry about that. Never has been. But life under Clinton was a lot more easy ecoonomically than under Bush whether you liked Clinton's style or "morality". The reason for that is that he knew more about economics than Bush.

As to introducing a "space age bill to microwave babies" how can anyone take that kind of rhetoric seriously? He may have supported some bill for weaponry but I can't think of any politican that hasn't done his share of supporting weaponry. We don't have any pacifists in government (maybe Congressman John Lewis excepted) and someone is bound to vote for something we don't like. Better to look at the overall picture rather than select something individually and judge accordingly.

One of the problems the Left has had for such a long time is a "bitch mode". It's time now to adopt a more positive attitude and offer some solutions. Right now, in my view, a big one would be to find a way of dumping Bush. This is why I support Move On and carry an ACLU card.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jun 03 - 06:52 PM

Take a look at the polls, friends. The most recent one showed Kerry would win 7% of the Democrats votes. I'm not nervous yet.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 12:31 AM

The 'election' is a distraction. We have an appointed president who announced 62 rogue nations needed to be thumped, and he's thumped two already. This is a juggernaut neither party will bring under control. Hillary Clinton supported 'the war'. Your comfortable old ritualized 'election cycle' is all distraction. For a look at the REAL problem, go HERE. Forget the votes. Buy a gun...worth a hundred votes. And SHOUT at your freakin' politicians. Both parties are presiding over the destruction of America. Remind your politicians that THEIR kids will die in the World Bank takeover, and buy the biggest...guns...you...can. And remind cops that when the shit hits the fan, they'll have to earn those Federal funds by manning the front lines, with armed citizens in front of them and foreign troops behind them. Cannon fodder. Gird yourselves, folks. The accountants in Geneva have already debitted you and your family.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 12:17 PM

Rapaire, who posted at June 20th at 8:39 AM was wrong. To quote the Washington Post of May 25th (Page A4):

"But Kerry's vocal opposition to the war after his return from Vietnam left him open to criticism from political opponents, who portrayed him as an opportunist. This skepticism was further fueled in 1984, when the Wall Street Journal reported that during a 1971 anti-war protest in Washington, in which veterans symbolicaly tossed away their medals, Kerry dicarded only his ribbons, and someones elses medals - and kept his at home."

As for Kerry's comments about Bush, lets quote the front page of this Monday's Washington Times:

"Senate leaders from both parties heading an inquiry of intelligence information on Iraq yesterday repudiated Sen. John Kerry's accusation that the Bush administration misled the country into war, and accused him of political posturing.
    Sen. Pat Roberts, Kansas Republican and chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV, West Virginia Democrat and ranking committee member, dismissed the comments as political while appearing on "Fox News Sunday."
    "The senator is running for president," Mr. Rockefeller said.
    "And I think that Pat Roberts and I make a distinction between people who are running for president and therefore need to capture attention, and what we on the Intelligence Committee have to do, which is to get the facts and to get the intelligence, the counterintelligence and then try and decide," Mr. Rockefeller said."

(Ain't facts a bitch...)


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: toadfrog
Date: 24 Jun 03 - 09:15 PM

Hey, if we want "facts," let's not quote the Washington Times!


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 10:56 AM

Sorry toadfrog, it was carried AP and as noted, was a transcript from Fox News Sunday.

(Ain't facts a REAL bitch...)


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Frankham
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 11:09 AM

Fox network = Washington Times.

Amazing how misinformation flows.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Frankham
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 11:16 AM

Hi Doug,

George W says he doesn't believe in polls. No reason for anyone else to either.

Kerry might be a dark horse.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Alba
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 11:37 AM

Amazing that the Senators involved in the Inquiry into Intelligence Information regarding Iraq have already reached a conclusion before the inquiry has even got fully underway and they are already in a position to deny any statements from anyone, let alone John Kerry. I also find it amusing that the term Political Posturing was in there......like there is none of that going on elsewhere. I mean GW have never been seen to engage in any of that...LOL
A
Out the door in 2004


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 02:48 PM

Buts it's hardly as amazing, Alba, as Kerry reaching his conclusion, for exactly the same reason... Now that's Political Posturing in spades, and the Senators properly recognized it...

(Do I have to repeat myself about facts....?)


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: kendall
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 07:03 PM

There's many a slip twixt cup and lip. I'm hoping Bush's lies will catch up to him, and that the American voters will wake up to what he and his pit bull, Asscroft are doing to our rights.
This has happened in other countries and they never got their rights back.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Alba
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 08:42 PM

Kerry is not on the Committee so therefore his conclusions are just that. His conclusions. John Kerry has no need to be impartial.
Even after Ashcroft's best efforts Kerry is still allowed free speech even when it does not agree with this Administration's version of the facts.
Curious though that Rockefeller and Roberts felt they where in a position to repudiate Kerry. Now they wouldn't have been posturing by any chance for Fox News.
As for repeating your "facts....?" Claymore. I think it is obvious that you will not be voting for John Kerry should he become the Democratic Candidate:>)
I agree Kendall, who was it that said "you can fool some of the People some of the time, but you can't fool all of the People all of the time" Most eyes will be opened and an end to this is in sight. Just hope we have some Rights left by Election time.
A
Out the door in 2004


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 11:34 PM

i agree.


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 09:24 AM

?


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 10:41 AM

If anyone wants insight into Kerry's nature and character, I strongly suggest viewing the film "Going Up River". It is available oinline for free, although it is a large download. Do a gGoogle search for the source site.

It is a stirring reminder of exactly how much sand it took to do what he did when he did it, at a time when Looney-Boy Bush was exploring the biochemistry of substance abuse and evasion.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: John Kerry
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 04 - 04:16 PM

One source is http://www.thekerrymovie.com/ .

A


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