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Mr Happy 07 May 03 - 09:15 PM
Teribus 08 May 03 - 01:59 AM
GUEST,Boab 08 May 03 - 03:05 AM
Jim McLean 08 May 03 - 05:10 AM
GUEST,Seacat. 08 May 03 - 05:42 AM
Gareth 08 May 03 - 05:56 AM
Pied Piper 08 May 03 - 06:36 AM
ard mhacha 08 May 03 - 06:58 AM
Gareth 08 May 03 - 07:04 AM
GUEST,T-boy 08 May 03 - 08:11 AM
ard mhacha 08 May 03 - 08:22 AM
Teribus 08 May 03 - 08:23 AM
ard mhacha 08 May 03 - 08:26 AM
Gareth 08 May 03 - 09:38 AM
pict 08 May 03 - 09:38 AM
Pied Piper 08 May 03 - 10:41 AM
Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland 08 May 03 - 01:42 PM
Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland 08 May 03 - 01:52 PM
John MacKenzie 08 May 03 - 02:50 PM
Raedwulf 08 May 03 - 05:40 PM
greg stephens 08 May 03 - 06:11 PM
GUEST 08 May 03 - 06:50 PM
Gareth 08 May 03 - 07:11 PM
pict 09 May 03 - 06:44 AM
GUEST,Boab 10 May 03 - 02:43 AM
Hillheader 10 May 03 - 03:05 AM
GUEST,Billy 10 May 03 - 03:16 AM
John MacKenzie 10 May 03 - 05:25 AM
Mugwump 10 May 03 - 06:54 PM
pict 10 May 03 - 06:56 PM
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Hillheader 11 May 03 - 11:52 AM
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Subject: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 07 May 03 - 09:15 PM

i think he's a hero for democracy, freedom of speech, enemy of hypocrisy.

He's just been suspended from the new Labour Partly

what think you?


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Teribus
Date: 08 May 03 - 01:59 AM

This is the same guy who was instrumental, as one of the guiding lights in arranging the "twinning" of Dundee and Nabulus. When invited over for the twinning ceremony the civic leaders of Dundee's Labour Corporation presented the leader of the Palestinian Delegation from Nabulus with a kilt and a bottle of whisky - Now exactly what the recipient of those gifts thought would be well worth recording, being as he was a legless (literally), moslem cleric.

His nicknames (George Galloway's) in Scotland are "Gorgeous George", or "Champagne George" - The Scottish Labour Party, particularly in Glasgow, is renown for it's corruption and cronyism. To earn such nicknames in such an environment says a great deal about the man.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 08 May 03 - 03:05 AM

Like most folks, I don't know enough about what went on in Iraq between Mr Galloway and Iraqi officials. One thing I do know---even if he did accept cash payments for whatever from the regime, his alleged lies about it aren't nearly as bad as the gawd-awful deceptions and scene-shifting perpetrated by Tony Blair and Jack Straw which resulted in British participation in the recent power trip.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 08 May 03 - 05:10 AM

There's a good article in today's Guardian by Ron Greenslade comparing today's treatment of George Galloway in the Press to that received by Arthur Scargill.

Jim McLean


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: GUEST,Seacat.
Date: 08 May 03 - 05:42 AM

It is unwise to judge a person with the gutter press as his/her
prosecutor even the Grauniad takes sides.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Gareth
Date: 08 May 03 - 05:56 AM

No hero at all, his career has been punctuated with accusations of financial misfeasence.

He has not been gagged, he has not been deprived of his seat in parliament.

He has been suspnded from active membership of the Labour Party whilst his conduct is being investigated. Some people seem to forget that membership of an organisation has responsibilities as well as privaleges.

If, as a member of the Iraqui Parliament, Mr Galloway had critisiced Saddam Hussain in the same way he would have been suspended, by the neck.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 08 May 03 - 06:36 AM

I found it very disturbing seeing him toady to Saddam Hussein in one of his visits, as I did watching Tony Ben not asking any pertinent questions of the murderous bastard.
As to the money issue, who knows, but it seems a rather stupid thing to do for a man who's obviously got a brain, despite his dodgy moral compass.

All the best PP


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 May 03 - 06:58 AM

How many pertinent questions did Thatcher ask Pinochet when she invited this tyrant to the UK. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Gareth
Date: 08 May 03 - 07:04 AM

"How many pertinent questions did Thatcher ask Pinochet when she invited this tyrant to the UK"

And what has that got to do with the behaviour of George Galloway ???

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: GUEST,T-boy
Date: 08 May 03 - 08:11 AM

Not a hero for democracy, but one who uses democratic freedoms to undermine them.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 May 03 - 08:22 AM

Gareth, its the hypocrisy of our western leaders, am I registering?. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Teribus
Date: 08 May 03 - 08:23 AM

Guest Boab:

Following lifted from an article on your hero:

"Complaints had been received about an interview Mr Galloway did on March 28 to Abu Dhabi TV in which he "seemingly invited other Arab nations to fight against the British Army", according to party officials."

Now Gorgeous George sits as Member of Parliament for Glasgow Kelvin, quite a large contingent of the British Forces currently in Iraq are Royal Scots Dragoon Guards (Scots Greys) and the Black Watch - I wonder if the parents, relatives, wives and children of those men would agree with you regarding GG, if the above is in fact true. A British Member of Parliament inciting foreign nationals to kill British troops - complete and utter f*ckwit certainly, maybe even traitorous, but not as Mr.Happy suggests, "a hero for democracy, freedom of speech, enemy of hypocrisy." - Not by a bloody long shot.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 May 03 - 08:26 AM

And Gareth, not forgetting Rumsfeld when he licked up Saddam during the Iraq-Iran war, and as the man says, theres more. Ard Macha.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Gareth
Date: 08 May 03 - 09:38 AM

Nothing hypocritical with Thatcher not questioning Pinochet, after all they were two very nasty specimins.

Are you suggesting that George Galloway is also a hypocrite ?, if so I must concur.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: pict
Date: 08 May 03 - 09:38 AM

George is professional politician he's just as greasy as the rest just in different ways.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Pied Piper
Date: 08 May 03 - 10:41 AM

So from your high beach, two wrongs make a wright?
PP


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 08 May 03 - 01:42 PM

Good 'old' George.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 08 May 03 - 01:52 PM

I was just thinking that If Bush and Blair had listened to what the UN was saying then we wouldn't of had the war in Iraq and all those soldiers would never had died.
So Geroge Galloway didn't kill them, Bush and Blair did by starting the war.

Anyway I'm not going to argue I have said my peice and I'm all for George.
Demrocracy forever.
So don't answer this please.
Just I agree to disagree.
And If I have upset anyone then I'm sorry but we are all entiltled to our opinions, I don't agree with some and agree with others.
Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 May 03 - 02:50 PM

George "Monster Ego" Galloway, is sitting in one of the safest Labour sets in the UK, that is the reason for his arrogance, and the Labour party's panic.
I must say it's nice to know that at least his predicament has managed to bring the name Maggie Thatcher back into a Mudcat thread!!
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Raedwulf
Date: 08 May 03 - 05:40 PM

I think he's a freeloading wide-boy. If he was MP for Peckham they'd have a hard time choosing between "Del Boy" & "Plonker" for a nickname...


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 May 03 - 06:11 PM

George G taking Saddam's money in an underhand way seems unlikely..I suspect dirty tricks. but the thought of someone safe in Scotland voluntarily deciding to kiss Saddam's arse so publicly and consistently is nauseating. the poor people of Iraq had no choice...Galloway did. Definitely no place for him in the Labour party, which may not stand for much these days but it still has some minmal standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 03 - 06:50 PM

He should be hung from the Forth bridge with his own kilt.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Gareth
Date: 08 May 03 - 07:11 PM

Well Greg, yes, in the Labour Party we do have some standards, some of us are fighting to maintain them.

On the other hand if, and George Galloway says he did not take any money, from the regime, I have yet to hear of any other coherent explanation as to why he acted as the Honarable Member for Baghdad Central.

Interestingly here in South Wales, during our recent Assembly Elections, I had Galloway's alleged coments thrown at me by relatives of servicemen on the doorstep. Other canvasers had similar experiences.

Gareth

Gareth.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: pict
Date: 09 May 03 - 06:44 AM

Pied piper if you are referring to my post I should point out that I have always been anti-war and I'm not stating that I believe the recent allegations against Galloway.What I do believe is that George is not a squeaky clean,good hearted socialist who would never get involved in dirty dealings.I think that he is an untrustworthy and self serving individual as do many others and although he may be innocent of these present charges he knew that his actions would draw fire from the party and sympathy from the anti-war crew.I think Georgey porgy is of the mind that no publicity is bad publicity.If you fly wi' the craws,you get shot wi' the craws.He's as wide as the Clyde and just as full of shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 10 May 03 - 02:43 AM

"My Hero", Teribus? Where the hell did that line drop from?? I trust that you do not read the gutter-press as casually as you appear to have read my posting---for that would seem to explain your acceptance of the pish tosh and piffle that has been flying around for the duration of the recent maneuverings. Galloway may well be guilty of some of the actions of which he stands accused; that most certainly does NOT make him "my hero". I simply pointed out that he'd have to go well beyond that of which he is accused before he sank to the depths of those who spread the lies which put so many in peril---innocent Iraqis, and combatants on all sides of the conflict.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Hillheader
Date: 10 May 03 - 03:05 AM

As a resident of George's constituency, I would prefer to hear him speak on local issues rather than international issues. Can anyone recall him evere speaking on a local (or even Scottish) issue? He should remember who appointed him and who pays him. I do not know if the documents found in Iraq are genuine, but the damage has been done in the wider (beyond Glasgow)public perception.

His suspension is simply a device to present him being selected for another constituency when the Glasgow Kelvin seat disappears by the next election. The selection process takes place later this year and if he is still under suspension, he is technically not within the party and thus cannot be considered. I do not agree with George Galloway on Saddam (his "indefatigability"), but the Labour party has always been a broad church and should be able to accomodate this views.

He went too far however by encouraging all Arabs to fight British soldiers - some of whom were no doubt his own constituents - and this more than anything else has alienated him locally. At a time when two British muslims were already planning suicide bombings in Israel, this was a comment to far.

His real "crime" however was critising Tony and for that alone Laour will get rid of him. If George were to stand under the official Labour banner, he would still be re-elected. Labour could (and probably have metaphorically) offered monkeys as candidates in Glasgow and had them returned as MP's. If forced to stand as an Independant, he will have no chance.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: GUEST,Billy
Date: 10 May 03 - 03:16 AM

Well, it seems like George is about to crash and burn, whether he is guilty or not. Maybe George had a wee bit of extra cash coming in from Iraq, but how many of our other MPs are getting grease from countries like Israel?


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 May 03 - 05:25 AM

Well said Davebhoy, the definitive answer I think!!
Slainthe.....Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Mugwump
Date: 10 May 03 - 06:54 PM

The bastard's Scotch! - 'nuf said.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: pict
Date: 10 May 03 - 06:56 PM

Hilarious.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Gareth
Date: 10 May 03 - 07:08 PM

A true story - tho' edited out of Hansard, and related in the pub last night, by me local MP.

Jack Straw (HM Foriegn Secretary) ".... There are some difficulties in acepting the surrender of Saddams regime, we do not have anybody to negotiate with, nobody who can speak for them"

Out cry from all parts of the House of Commons " George Galloway "

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Hillheader
Date: 11 May 03 - 11:52 AM

Misery

Many of the BRITISH service personnel in Iraq are Scottish (not Scotch - that applies to whisky tomatoes and eggs)and some of them died. Their relatives would be heartened to hear them being considered the same of George Galloway.

Gareth

I think that emphasises my point. Everyone thinks George speaks for Saddam - I would like to hear him speak for his constituents.

Davebhoy


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 May 03 - 01:21 PM

If misery loves company, does that mean that the company loves misery?? Discuss.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 08:55 PM

Subject: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Mr Happy - PM
Date: 07 May 03 - 09:15 PM

i think he's a hero for democracy, freedom of speech, enemy of hypocrisy.

He's just been suspended from the new Labour Partly

what think you?

He's recently been vindicated in court- What think you now?


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 03:59 AM

Well, I have never understood the fellow. I could readily understand anyone expressing slobbering adulation for Saddam Hussein if paid to(or if forced to,like the poor inhabitants of Iraq). Quite what George Galloway's reasons were is a subject I find very difficult to get my head round.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 05:22 AM

Some say that GG is infatuated with himself, but that's not true. Infatuation is just a passing fancy, and with George it's the real thing, he's in love with himself. I didn't think that the story was true it was just too convenient for words finding that documentary evidence, I smell the British secret service's hand in that. However what hasn't changed is the fact that GG is a plonker, and was a liability as a constituency MP, the people of the Kelvin area are well rid of him. As for being 'vindicated' in court, I think you'll find he won a libel case and in no way was he exonerated from his sycophancy toward Saddam, or his incitement of British soldiers to mutiny. At least this will mean the end of GG as a public figure, and he will now sink into the obscurity he so richly deserves.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 06:06 PM

Regardless of his relationship with the Saddam regime , George was not smeared because of any ties, imagined or other wise,to the Iraqi government.

He was smeared by our glorious "democratic " government and media, because of his stance as a leader of the anti-war movement.
A war that most intelligent people knew right from the beginning,would end in the disaster we now see.

I dont wish to comment on Georges' motives or character, as I have no way of determining them, but I know that any victoy for George is a victory for us all ,against the war mongerings bastards who rule us, and massacre the innocents in our name....Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Raedwulf
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 06:26 PM

I disagree, Ake. GG has, in my opinion, always been one of the most vainglorious & self-serving of politicians we've had to suffer. I reckon he would speak in favour of Jack The Ripper, Fred West, & Peter Sutcliffe, if he thought it would buy him a vote!


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 06:43 PM

Raedwulf..Good to hear from you.

All politicians are by nature self serving, and I doubt George is any exception.
But he is a very sharp thorn in flesh of "new labour",and as such will have my support.
I long ago lost any naive notions about sincere politicians.

Sincerity and plain speaking are looked upon as a severe handicap by todays politicians of all shades.

"Giok" forecasts Georges' imminent political demise, but I dont think that will be the case as George will attempt to give a voice to the UKs large Muslin community ensuring his ability to inflict maximun pain on crusader Tony.

Whether this will be good for race relations in UK remains to be seen


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 07:25 PM

Galloway has constantly been hammered (eg "slobbering adulation")for that quote, spoken to Saddam "I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability." He has always said that "your" there referred not to Saddam but to the Iraqi people. Given the way the English language works, that is a perfectly consistent way of interpreting those words. And I'd think it's also much more in line with the way politicians do generally go on.

Of course, if only we still used a separate second person singular, that kind of ambiguity wouldn't arise. The pity is that apparently Galloway wasn't speaking Arabic at the time, because I gather, Arabic does retain that distinction.

Clearly George Galloway is an arrogant man, with an enormous admiration for himself, but then that's pretty standard for Alpha Male politicians.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: cptsnapper
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 05:03 AM

It probably seems to be trivial but considering the comments made by some people about the nuances of language & how it's used I'm rather saddened by the sloppy spelling & use of punctuation marks seen in this debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 07:29 AM

Mr Happy you're outvoted. There seems to be a bit of a general consensus that the gentleman in question is something of a dirty dog.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 05:24 PM

Dont agree wld,

Im just not prepared to bet he'll win Crufts Supreme Champion...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 11:02 PM

what you don't admit that the vast majority of people posting seem to be expressing the opinion he's a bit of a plonker. Its just arithmetic.

i've never met the guy. hold no animosity to him. But I think I'd hesitate to lend him anything - somebody with this number of enemies got them somehow.


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 10:06 AM

wld...A very good way to collect a large number of enemies, is to "noise up" the establishment.

Galloway must be an ally of all who see the system for what it is.

Personally I suppose he's a raging ego-maniac, but who cares as long as he gives the new labour machine plenty of grief...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:10 PM

There's a tendency to believe what we are told when we are told it often enough and loud enough.

I'm rather reminded of the way our leaders have made so much of the idea that they weren't naive to believe in the WMDs, because "everyone else" agreed they were there. (Believing what they had been told by the guys with the biggest "intelligence" operation on the planet, who clearly had to know what they were talking about so confidently...)


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 05:22 AM

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 12:57 PM

Well....As the Editor of The Telegraph says,   "Always look on the bright side of life"


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 01:02 PM

And George certainly doesn't rank as highly as most politicians...

Especially The Blessed Tony...


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Subject: RE: BS: George Galloway: A hero for democracy?
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 03:39 PM

McGrath seems to think I was a bit over the top, using the term "slobbering adulation" for Galloway's attitude to Saddam Hussein. This is apparently he because he claims one of his remarks popularyly supposed to be addressed to Saddam Hussein was in fact addressed to the Iraqi people. Well, maybe, though George Galloway was staring at Saddam at the time, with the expresssion of Lady Di fluttering at a TV camera. But actually, I was not thinking of that one remark. I have spent the last five years in close company with a wide variety of Iraqi refugees, all of whom left Iraq due to Saddam's activities. So I have had a lot of time to consider the nuances of Iraqi politics, and heard a lot about it from all angles. Anfd I have a naturally enquiring mind, so I have read a lot about the subject, so have therfore heard a great deal about the activities of the saintly socialist Mr Galloway.
    I'm a great admirer of McGrath from Harlow, so I will, therefore, tihdraw the phrase "slobbering adulation". I will replace it with "George Galloway brown-nosing Saddam Hussein, wetting himself with excitement the while".


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