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Subject: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 03:34 AM

i think he probly is, and we should get a few big tough folkies to beat him up, and kick the shit out of him, he talks too much, and he has got a girls name as well.
we could invite him to hull, i heard he likes poetry, so tell him its a poety festival, then we thump him, and throw him in the river.


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Subject: RE: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 03:40 AM

mr howeels-if you are reading this and want to have a go, or want to sue me, you can contact me at johnhat@kit.co.uk or ring me up=01482 348348.john
ps-i look forwards to hearing from you, areshole.john
another ps, if you think you get rich by sueing me you wrong, because i am already bankrupt , so you wasting your time.john


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Subject: RE: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Deni-C
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 03:50 AM

This thread reminds me of that poem by, er Graham Searle, I think

are you the dog's bollocks?

D


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Subject: RE: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: songs2play
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 03:53 AM

He speaks very highly of you John.
:-)


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Subject: RE: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 04:00 AM

do you mean you do not know the answer!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 04:02 AM

I see you favour the George Bush approach to sorting out difficulties John...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 04:05 AM

i recokon he has probly got some wepons of mass destraction, and he's probly a murderous dictator, 9he seems intent on killing trad music)!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: alanabit
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 04:09 AM

He is probably no better or worse than whoever else would have received his job. The very idea that our island might have a native folk music or folk culture is one which he was probably first confronted with when he received his current appointment. "Native culture" is usually something which only Phil and Betty have to cope with - when they are on one of their trade gathering expeditions to Africa - or funny places like that. I mean, only foreigners can have a "native culture", can't they?
(The semantics are getting interesting).


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 07:47 AM

No, he is an able representative of New Labour ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Doktor Doktor
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 08:06 AM

Good ol' John

"weapons of Mass distraction"

Well put


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: John J
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 08:30 AM

He probably believes what he is doing is good, which is rather a worry.

Despite his protestations to the contrary, he also refuses to even try to see the other person's point of view, seeming to regard his critics as un-eductated, un-informed idiots.

That is just bloody ignorant, and bad.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: stevetheORC
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 10:03 AM

Well said John from 9hull

De Orc


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: stevetheORC
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 10:04 AM

Feed im to your Hamsters


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,joe clone
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 10:57 AM

Moved over from duplicate thread:

Subject: Is Kim Howells a bad person?
From: John from Hull - PM
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 04:02 AM

he seems to be against traditional music!




Subject: RE: Is Kim Howells a bad person?
From: Deni-C - PM
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 04:11 AM

Good grief I think this thread was just hijacked....

Did someone say something bad?

No I don't think he's a bad person John, his mum probably loved/loves him.

Trad music will triumph....



Subject: RE: Is Kim Howells a bad person?
From: John from Hull - PM
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 04:15 AM

heloo, i thought my first thread got delted because i called him an sreshole, but its still there, they just moved it, si i started anotyher one, thay can deledt this one, i dont mind.john ps i yhink he is an srsehole anyway, always making trubble etc.



Subject: RE: Is Kim Howells a bad person?
From: John J - PM
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 08:29 AM

He probably believes what he is doing is good, which is rather a worry.

Despite his protestations to the contrary, he also refuses to even try to see the other person's point of view, seeming to regard his critics as un-eductated, un-informed idiots.

That is just bloody ignorant, and bad.

John



Subject: RE: Is Kim Howells a bad person?
From: GUEST,noddy - PM
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 10:28 AM

he just does bad things.... only following orders?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Nemesis
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 10:12 PM

'ere John, the real fleshcrawler is that Andrew Cunningham .. has about as much charm as Kaa in a S&M version of the Jungle Book ... mesmerised an entire seminar at the NCA ..


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 07:26 AM

No he is not an arsehole, arseholes are usefull.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: The Walrus
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 05:27 PM

BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?

He's a polititian, so that's an automatic YES!

John,

Please don't 'kick the shit out of him'

There'd be nothing left.

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 05:45 PM

I don't know much about Kim Howells. In fact, I know almost nothing about him. Is he famous? Does he like dachshunds? Does he revere William Shatner? If not, I submit that there is a high risk that he may be an arsehole, but the jury is still out on that.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Nemesis
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 10:23 AM

Cue that joke about Arseholes being charge .. ie., if they stop working the brain seizes up, the stomach etc


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: mack/misophist
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 12:08 PM

Is Kim Howells an asshole? The answer must be a resounding NO! Compared to the likes of Kim Howells an asshole is a wholesome, sweet-smelling object. Because Howells, you see, is a professional politician. I think some one above suggested that his mother probably loves him. Since it is well known that politicians eat their own young, and vice versa; there can be nothing left of Howells' mum but a little pile of bones in a dust bin somewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 02:37 PM

I do suspect that an arsehole is a place they store arses, and is more properly called, given this war between Ir-rock and a hard place, an ARSENAL ! ;-)

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,Ms Penelope Rutledge
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 07:08 PM

John from Hull - My dear fellow, I know you are a fiercely independent and quite opinionated man, but I think you are sorely in need of some cogent advice. I will put it briefly.

You are not covering yourself with glory, sir, in launching this tasteless thread. You are in fact giving people the impression that you are an uncultured buffoon. I recommend a brief apology or disclaimer to set things right, and that should make a quick end of it.

I agree that Kim Howells is certainly not above criticism, but this is not the intelligent or appropriate way to do it.

Your concerned, if casual friend - Penelope Rutledge


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Tweed
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 07:19 PM

I trust your judgement completely Joh9nny. You say Kim Howells is an arsehole then he surely must be.

Also this GUEST Penelope Rutledge's writing style is vaguely familiar. I'm wondering if the fugitive lunatic khandu has taken to dressing as a woman to escape the clutches of Dr.Rick Ardo and our own uber-asshole, Mr. Rumsfeld.

Yerz,
Tweed


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,Ms Penelope Rutledge
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 07:33 PM

Don't be silly, Tweed. I am quite well known around Hull, and happen to be an admirer of traditional music...particularly the fiddle, when it is well played. If you don't believe me, ask Oakley.

* PR


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Tweed
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 07:52 PM

So you say Madam, but I find your spelling and sentence structure to be impeccable. And your claim to hail from Hull? Ha! Clearly that is impossible!!! Back to your room khandu, you are unmasked!

Yerz,
Tweed


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,Ms Penelope Rutledge
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 10:02 PM

I do not hail from Hull, sir, I hail from Twillingsgate, ancestral home to at least 15 generations of Rutledges. I merely visit Hull now and then in order to hear some good traditional music. I am a not altogether secret admirer of "Punch the Horse", a band which I was at first quite prejudiced against (due to the name, which implied violence against animals), but which I have since developed quite an affection for.

Of course my spelling and sentence structure are impeccable. I am a Rutledge. Now, if you will pardon me, I am going to get some rest.

* PR


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: khandu
Date: 20 Apr 03 - 11:04 PM

Hey, Tweed! HAW! HAW! HAW!

Mayhap you need to check in to the NYCFTTS your own self!!!

HAW! HAW! HAW!

khandu


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Oaklet
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 05:46 AM

I love her, me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Tweed
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 06:06 AM

What! Oakley, who dresses in mummy's clothes occasionally, is actually Penelope Rutledge, who IS IN REALITY the nefarious renegade lunatic... Kingkhandu?

This is bigger than I had first thought. I'm phoning Interpol....must notify them that khandu is running loose in York...

.....and who took the strawberries?

Tweed


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Mugwump
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 06:50 AM

He's just a Blair poodle. Blair is the real megalomaniac who wants total control - Howells is just a dumb Welsh (sheep)poodle following orders.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 09:43 AM

yes


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 11:53 AM

He has his fans and a fan club.............?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KimHowellsFanClub/


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 12:07 PM

there's only 1 member of his fan club, and its probly him using a psuedym, my hamster had more fans than him!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: CraigS
Date: 21 Apr 03 - 08:36 PM

It is plain that there is more to Kim Howells than just an arsehole because one has seen pictures of him in the media. On the other hand, from what he has said there is no question as to which part of the body does the talking... but how does he get his lips to move in time with the sounds?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 11 Jun 03 - 03:26 AM

he's,om,Radio4,now.
Is,he,Welsh?
He,sounds,a,bit,welsh,but,could,not,name,a,welsh,artist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: clansfolk
Date: 11 Jun 03 - 06:33 AM

As nothing Mr Howells says "adds up" maybe he actually needs
weapons of maths instruction?

Don't forget John Nothing has killed "trad" music so far and nothing will - the music lives on.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 11 Jun 03 - 10:06 AM

I take that this 'Kim Howells' is a Labour MP, well in that case he is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 12 Jun 03 - 06:51 AM

You mean you do not know!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 01:51 PM

He is now a well-rewarded one.

From The Times 16 June 2003.

Lord Macintosh of Haringay, 70, becomes Parlimentary Under-Secretary of State at the DCMS on .....£65,936.

Dr Kim Howells ,56, becomes Minister of Transport at ........£93,413!!!!!!!

The 'wages of sin' are not at all bad


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 01:59 PM

This is the final proof..........

I must confess that I rather enjoyed listening and writing this out.

Kim Howells on Radio 4 Today - Wednesday 11 June 2003

It does seem a bit odd that Wales is being represented by two artist who were not born in Wales and the other two artists don't live there?

KH: Well God forbid, Sarah, that artists should only be able to represent somewhere they either live in or work in, if they were born there. It is a bit like the terrible quandary of Welsh Rugby Union, that you, it almost got to the stake now where if your mother when she was pregnant actually could see Wales from the M6, that you could be picked for Wales.

It is an interesting argument this one. Neil Howells critique is very important because he is clearly worried about what he perceives to be the lack of quality of art in Wales. I disagree with him profoundly, I think there are lots of very interesting artists working in Wales.

Point at some?

KH: Some of whom are Welsh.

Point at some then?

KH: Should Gauguin not have been called French because he painted in Tahiti?

Well point us at some Welsh artists we should be looking at – who are not involved, not these four?

KH: Pope for example…

Who IS one of these and was born in England, what about outside of these?

KH: Well I don't know artists who ought to be picked to go, I'm always very wary about a …

I'm not asking whether they are going or not – just Welsh artists who we could/should be looking at and who represent the thriving Welsh visual arts scene, that this is meant to be promoting?

KH: I go down to Cardiff and I look at the galleries down there and there are plenty of young Welsh artists
on display, I don't think that it's a .......

Well give us a name?

KH: Well no, I'm not going to say there is one artist above all....

Laughs - Well you can give us more than one name if you like. My point was just can you think of one?

KH: No – I can't at the moment…….you've got the …………..[indistict?].

That is a problem, isn't it?

KH: Well, listen it's very difficult to that in England, outside of a small coterie of people who have been chosen by, by, - an even smaller group of art critics and art experts as being great.

But Neil Howlls's point here is that if you have to go outside Wales, people either born or live outside Wales, what does it say about those who remain?

KH: Well maybe it says something about the way we teach art and we present art. Visual art in Wales has been very much the poor cousin. You are asking me – you have got to ask Alan Pugh. This is a devolved issue for the Welsh Assembly.

I'm telling you - as somebody who lives in Wales, artists feel quite strongly that they are the poor relation. The big money goes to the Welsh National Opera – it goes very much to those great establishments of creativity in Wales.

And good enough, they are great institutions but visual artists have always suffered from a lack of support and I am very glad to see that now at least we are taking people who are working in Wales, or come form Wales and saying this is good enough, we feel confident enough to have work represented at the Venice […….,] which is one of the great art exhibitions of the world. I mean what could be wrong with that? I mean art should be international, should have no frontiers and operate as openly as possible.

Kim Howells, thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 02:16 PM

I only heard about him on television, when Tory Blair was reshufflinng his cabintet or something like that, apart from here in Scotland we Never hear of these MP's. The reason is because if they're not Scottish or anything to do with Scotland, then we never hear of them.
Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,John
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 02:36 PM

Yes. A rude and ignorant one at that.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 02:52 PM

A bloody useless shuffle that left Kim Howells in a governmentjob. Now there is one man who really should spend more time with his family.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 03:27 PM

What have his family ever done to you Kevin?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 03:56 PM

Produced Kim Howells


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 04:47 PM

He's just been on the BBC jazz programme answering Hamish Birchall and trotting out the usual platitudes how it will be cheaper and easier for venues and lead to lots of work for musicians.
Was that a pig I just saw flying past?

RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 06:08 PM

Here's a web site the man might find useful - welsh artists,welsh painters,welsh sculpture. That is, if he can work a computer.

Do you think he knows how to spell "potato"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: zanderfish3 (inactive)
Date: 16 Jun 03 - 08:05 PM

is the pope a catholic


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: LadyJean
Date: 17 Jun 03 - 01:01 AM

I use asshole, the American equivalent of arsehole as a synonym for Libertarian. Mr. Howells does not sound like a a Libertarian. He sounds like a twit.
Incidentally, I take exception to Blair being called Bush's poodle, or Howells being called Blair's poodle. I was raised with poodles. Poodles are not biddable dogs. They are frighteningly intelligent and very independent. You do not train a poodle, you negotiate with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Gareth
Date: 17 Jun 03 - 04:47 AM

Yes Kevin - In the pensiones and pavement Cafe's of the Rhondda the sole subject of conversation is the texture and deconstructionalism of Welsh artistry, and the subjective analysis of the merits of which artistic medium to use.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Jun 03 - 04:59 AM

Who,is,this,Kevin,you,all,talk,about?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Jun 03 - 06:11 AM

If you are willing to listen to him rattle out the same old story for the last time - you can on this site. [Although they seem to have a few problems at the moment].

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/pine/


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 03 - 08:44 AM

I gather the man actually was shifted in the gvernment reshuffle. Now he's become transport minister. God help us if we want to get anywhere.

I'm not sure who takes over his job as Minister against Culture. It might actually be quite signiftcant, because there is still a hope that the Lords will dig in their heels on this and insist on the significant and sensible amendments, in which case the Givernment has to start the whole process all over again next year, or accept the improvements to Kim Howells' botched effort.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 03 - 02:12 PM

While up in North Wales they'd be saying that in Welsh; and it'd be as easy to make sense of what it meant...


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jun 03 - 02:14 PM

That last was a belated response to Gareth's earlier post - "In the pensiones and pavement Cafe's of the Rhondda the sole subject of conversation is the texture and deconstructionalism of Welsh artistry, and the subjective analysis of the merits of which artistic medium to use."


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Gareth
Date: 17 Jun 03 - 04:21 PM

It's ok Kevin - Here in South Wales people know what is meant.

Translation = There are more important things in Welsh life than worrying about pseudo intellectuals debating modern art.

Actually I have some sympathy with Goering on that subject, philistine that I am.

And Kevin, you should know by now the difference between a North Wales and a South Wales pub is that in South Wales the conversation switches from Swelsh to English when a stranger walks in. In North Wales, the conversation switches from English to Welsh.

Sorry, my tintinetus (SP) 'as been giving me hell this past week, so perhaps a am a little sharp at the moment.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 08:08 AM

dont fall for the "divide and conquer".
It is very difficult to work out what end he is making the noises come out.
We are agreed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 08:45 AM

More sweeping generalisations about N Wales, Gareth? I'm dissapointed in you.

If you were to work your way along the pubs on the coast from say Conwy to Prestatyn, you would find a distinct lack of Welsh speakers. You would be more likely to encounter Scouse and Manchester accents in some pubs than hear the Welsh language spoken. Other parts may be different.

The only time I was really worried was the first time I went looking for a music pub in Bangor. I heard that the music was in the "Vaults" and went to the "Menai Vaults" in upper Bangor which, as I found out, at the time was very much a Welsh language pub. The pub went silent when I asked in English where the music was. There was no hassle though, the landlord answered me in English and told me how to get to the pub I was looking for, the "Old Vaults" on the High Street.

I had one other "Welsh incident" in Bangor when I went down with a friend one afternoon to play some music for a bit of fun (just sort of busking in the pub) in the fairly newly opened "O'Seas". A gang of women came in protesting about an Irish bar and Irish music when there was no Welsh music on the High Street. I just struck up a Welsh tune on the banjo and within seconds, they were singing! It seemed like their only real concern was Welsh culture getting ignored/forgotten and they were quite delighted to learn that even "Saes bastards" like myself did enjoy and learn some Welsh music.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Gareth
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 09:41 AM

Ah Guest - So you have encountered it !!!


Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 10:59 AM

Well Gareth, I'm certain the people in the "Welsh pub" were speaking Welsh before I entered and interrupted things by speaking English and I was answered in English.

I'd guess that in 28 years of living in N Wales, it is perhaps not surprising that I have encountered the odd isolated incident. In the same period, I've run into a loud obnoxious American tourist, a very arrogant German, a scouser who was a thief, etc. I'm just glad I don't "buy" sterotypes and am able to treat such encounters as exceptions rather than the rule.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 12:17 PM

If Kim Howells is an arsehole, then ipso facto all his talk is really fart. Does public farting require a PEL (Pongy Emissions Licence)?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 04:10 PM

If I'm in a foreign country I am perfectly happy to hear people speaking in a foreign language, and don't see that as some kind of threat.

One mildly irriating thing I found on a trip to the Netherlands was that everyone seemed to insist on speaking English any time I was presetn. How do English foreigners ever learn to speak Dutch?

Do other nationalities react this way to people speaking minority languages, or is it just the English? For example, do the French get all hot and bothered if people speak Breton?


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 05:51 PM

http://www.thestage.co.uk/paper/0325/0101.shtml

The Stage
Howells – 'We got it wrong'
by Sally Bramley


Days before being promoted in the government reshuffle, former culture minister Kim Howells has admitted the government "got it wrong" over aspects of the proposed licensing bill and acknowledged the legislation would have to change if reform does not produce an increase in the number of live music venues.

In an exclusive interview, Howells told The Stage that the MU had conducted a "good campaign from their point of view". He said: "But they were wrong. It seemed to them doing away with the 'two in a bar' rule was okay but they thought that maybe they could get more."

However, he acknowledged the government had been wrong not to take account earlier of the effects of licensing reform on thousands of amateur venues and added that the professional sector must benefit from law change with an expansion in the number of performance outlets.

"If we don't see a proliferation of music venues as a result of this bill then we must change the law," stated Howells.

As parliamentary under-secretary of state with responsibility for tourism, film and broadcasting, Howells hit the headlines with his frequent outspoken comments. But, as a vociferous advocate for reform of the existing law he made enemies when he dubbed the MU's campaign against the bill "pernicious and lying".

Musicians' Union general secretary John Smith said of Howells' departure: "I'm not entirely unhappy to see him go but I will miss the war of words. He certainly raised the profile of the bill but he wasn't the easiest person to work with."


The smug arrogance of people who treat other people' business, passions and lives like it was just a game, when it suits their new political ambitions and becomes time to change their image, leaves a bad taste. Especially when it is not too late to work to correct the many things this Government have got wrong. Possibly Dr Howells did not expect the Bill to be defeated again in the Lords?

To even talk about the possibilty of introducing new legislation at this stage - when it has taken so long to even get to this stage and when amateur musicians were trying to inform them of these problems all through this long period, is callous and totally unforgivable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: richd
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 06:24 PM

Yes. Absolutely. And he's from Rhigos.


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Subject: RE: BS: Is Kim Howells an arsehole?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 03:20 PM

Interesting that Feargal Sharkey was on television last week saying that the whole P E L thing wants looking at and seriously adjusting !


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