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Subject: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:20 PM

Well, danged, I remmeber when I was a kid and would wake up to the wonder of a fresh snow, no school and a day of sledding down Rosemary Lane. And I remember driving down to Richmond with Marky Johnson (oh, what a hottie.... whew...) and having it start snowing on the way home to Falls Church and pulling up in my folks driveway with about 6 inches on the ground and her parents and mine worried out of their minds.

But, now this winter around Harpers Ferry, Wes Ginny has turned me into a major snow hater. It just never stops. Every time I look out the windown it's snow, snow and more snow. Hey, I'm sure it's fine for retired folks who don't have to go out in it but I ain't there yet.

So for now, just pencil me as a *snow hater*, thank you...

The poor snowed in bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:32 PM

Now, now, Bobert. Spring is coming and the snow will be all gone. Probably sometime in mid-June. The good thing is I don't have to mow the grass. I went out one morning last week and found little bird tracks all over my porch. The next day, I found cat tracks. I also found meter-reader tracks through the 2 or more feet built up in my front yard. Guy must love me.

What I really hate is the enormous amount of the stuff on my roof which for some reason is still over my head. There are some pretty heavy-duty ice dams up there too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:49 PM

Bobert,I'm with you man.

I am a pure Canadian dude with many years of living in the sunny warm parts of this wonderful continent and I'm now back in Toronto.

It hasn't been above our zero mark since before Christmas and all it does is snow.Day in and day out with more forcasted for another three days.

What the heck did we do to deserve this.

Snow hater Buck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:15 PM

My first real Maine winter and I have not been disappointed. I too see strange tracks in the snow. Today there were a pair through the deepest part of the snow in the back of my house. Can't imagine who or why. Then there are the little kittie tracks from Fred and huge dog tracks from a visitor lloking for Fred.

I will not be sad to see the first snowdrops and crocus. There is still ice on the roof.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 09:24 PM

Well, I went from Toronto to San Anatonio, Texas last week. It snowed there on Friday morning. I came home to more and more snow, I'm starting to feel like an arctic Joe Btfsplk. I have had enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 10:29 PM

You know, Mark Cohen once invited everybody over to his place. I say we all get on a plane and show up. Hawaii sounds mighty nice right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 11:37 PM

I really wish all you folk could send your extra snow out West. We need it in the worst way. I admit to hating the stuff, but we still need it. Summer is not going to be fun out here...............fires and more fires.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:28 AM

"What IS snow? Discuss...."

Amos in San Diego


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST,Richard H
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:33 AM

I'z never seen snow. An' if you play I's Dreaming Of A White Christmas in these parts, people suspect you're making some kind of racist comment. So we got to change it to a Sunshine Christmas which don't work nearly as well. And sing about Santa Got A Sunburn.

Vive la difference. Enjoy your snow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST,BarryT
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 01:07 AM

Just a note of sympathy from a west coaster to you east coasters:

Flowers are coming up! Darn bugs are flying around my patio light, too!

Winter is hell in Victoria, British Columbia! (LOL)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: DougR
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 01:09 AM

Snow? What's snow?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST,alinact
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 01:16 AM

Ohhhh Bobert.

Nigh on 60 days of around 30 Degrees Celsius (average) temperatures, with one day of rain.

I would give my left buttock to see some sort of precipitation falling from above.

As we say in Oz - Send her down, Hughie!

Allan


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 02:00 AM

I don't give a damn how much it snows where you are!

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MOVING TO FLORIDA!

We've got enough people (and one too many overgrown mice) already!

Please visit, leave money, and go back home!

Bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Beccy
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 09:07 AM

You can keep FL, Bruce. It's too warm for my blood.
As someone who has ALWAYS preferred winter to summer, these below zero days are even starting to get to me. How many of you have to bundle up 3 squirming little boys each time you have to buy a gallon of milk? (I'm sure there are quite few of you- I'm just shootin' for sympathy, here...)

It's been too cold to make even snowmen because the snow's too cold to pack. Grrrrrr.... or should I say brrrrrrrrr....

Bobert- All you have to do is get some window markers and color a summer scene on each of your windows. If you have a good sense of humour and a well developed imagination that should hold you over for the next couple months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 09:36 AM

Barry...SYMPATHY??!!

It's falling again here. Looks like powdered sugar being shaken out of some great sifter up there.

Beccy, I'll bet it wouldn't be too difficult to paint a summer scene on pull-down shades, or just use some sort of flexible glue and slap a poster on one or more. Maybe all of these gloaters could send pictures of themselves frolicing on a beach or...Doug, what exactly is there to frolic in/on in Arizona? We could make a very pretty dart board.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:03 PM

Well, danged! I think I jinxed myself by starting this thread. For the first time in 19 years I had to have my car wenched out this morning. Danged, I was coming down my hill which is very steep and there was a woman in a minvan who was isdeways in the road and standing next to the minivan and there is no stopping on that hill so I put the drivers side in the ditch and and used the ditch to stop me. My car ended up about 30 feet from hers. Thank you ditch.

First thing I said to the lady was, "Ahhh, ya' might not want to satnd in the middle of road".

Tow bill: $75.00! Ouch! But it beats the heck out of hitting that poor woman. Whew!

Thank you, Lord.

Bobert

ps: Yep, snowed again last night, and sposed to snow Saturday and Sunday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:08 PM

We don't have much snow in my part of Minnesota right now, but what there is is brittle and crunchy, and makes this awful nails-on-chalkboard sound when you walk on it. Drives me nuts. It's a little chilly (around 0F right now), but I still haven't had to put on my winter coat yet this year. :)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:17 PM

The snow is pretty awful here. So bad last Friday as to keep a lot of musicians away from the session. Another inch or two this morning. And next week, the long range forecast has the "S" word for five days straight. What's worse though is the cold. It was 3 below when I got up and it's now only 18 out of a possible 22. Tomorrow will see a high of 10 and a low 0f -12.

Have to go haul in more firewood -- Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:19 PM

Whew! Glad to hear you are okay, Bobert!

Here in the Banana Belt of Colorado we've had above average temps, in the 40's and 50's and very little moisture. They are predicting worse fires than last year, the year in which our governer set off all kinds of alarms with his "The whole state's ablaze!" Even over on the Eastern slope, in Denver, they've had some 60 degree days. It is weird, not for the Banana Belt, but for elsewhere.

The past few nights it has gotten down in the 20s and stayed pretty cold all day. Rog and I are enjoying the warmer climate, lack of wind, and no snow after putting in so many years in Wyoming. Though, like Sorcha, we always were grateful to have the moisture up there.

For the Northern Hemishpere:

Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!! Think Spring!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: allanwill
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 12:31 PM

Hey Bobert - I'm glad you explained that accident in a bit of detail.
I was getting worried when I got to the "I had to have my car wenched out..." part.

Allan


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: DougR
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 02:20 PM

Jeri: well, we have a lot of green grass and pretty desert to cavort on. No snow, though, unless we want to travel about two hundred miles north.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Steve-o
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 05:25 PM

I feel so bad for all of ya....in fact, I think I'll put the top down on the MGB, put on my sunglasses, toss the mandolin in the trunk, and cruise down to Malibu just to get your problems off my mind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 10:34 PM

Spring canna come soon enough. Like, maybe Friday night/Saturday morning. I planned a wedding months ago for this coming weekend. Why? Because it was not in the center of "gig season", *and* was outside of the usual "weather could be crap" window for this area...but noooooOOOOOOoooooo! We have to have not only one weather event after another out here, we have to have the worst prediction thus far for when? This Saturday. After the food has been purchased, the musicians hired, the invitations sent, yadda yadda yadda.

I have had enough of snow to last me a lifetime. Really...it need never snow again as far as I am concerned. Rain? No problems...make it like Seattle, I couldn't care, but NO more snow! Might just *be* taking that ride down to F.L.A., and sorry for the overcrowding, Bruce, but I am small...you'll likely not notice me much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 10:44 PM

Celtic Soul:

That's exactly what I mean. Like, enough is enough and we're way past that. I wanted to go to New York this weekend for the demonstartions but Mr Snow says "No". I'm so sick of it that I have just read the entire dictionary trying to find the right word and there ain't one.

I'm sorry about the wedding. I hope the happy couple don't get too unhappy over it. Bummer.

Well, if there is one bright thing that we can say about all this snow and slop: Bush had nothing to do with it... I think... Hey, maybe he did? Hmmmmm?

Nevermind this man's anti-snow rantings but...

Iz hatin' snow....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 12 Feb 03 - 11:14 PM

Yeah, sure, I talked to an engineer in Minneapolis today from work. Well, he was talking awful slow, ya know? Sure. So I find out it's about 3 degrees above zero, and offer him some sympathy and I'm telling him some of my friends really like having winters and such, ya know -- they say its like the only way to go because it gives you this seasons sense of time and you get to best the elements and so on. And he agreed with that point of view, that he feels that way too, ya know.

Then he thought for a minute and said, "...For about one week!".


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 06:54 AM

Bobert, in case you haven't noticed, the weather started going berserk right after inauguration day. 2002 was a two season year, winter and summer, no spring, no mud season, no fall, last and first snowfalls during daylight savings. Nature abhors a vacuum -- Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 08:00 AM

It's the cold that's getting to me, been minus twenty to minus thirty for so long, I really can't take it much longer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: MMario
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 08:04 AM

dagnabit! I don' care HOW much snow is predicted - I'm getting to that wedding! (Hey! I was even invited!) (though I will admit that I am VERY glad I have already *planned* on driving down the day before!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 08:16 AM

Its 0 here right now, with a forecast of -3 tonight, -30 in northern NH. Good bed of coals in the stove this morning, but will take till early afternoon for the whole house to warm up. Its supposed to get up to 40 one day next week before going back to the 20s. It will end sometime; May?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: VoxFox
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 08:20 AM

Yup, the cold is worse than the snow. This morning it was -19 celsius with a wind chill factor of -30.   Tonight it is going down to -42 . Bloody cold without your muff as my mum would say. Good old New Brunswick. *BG*    Staying in today where it's a little warmer. VF


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 08:40 AM

Tom, thanks. I don't have to turn on the radio - I can get my weather reports here at Mudcat. This is February. It's just not right. Oh well - sun's out and I have pretty little snow dunes in the back yard.

Movin' day, movin' day
Throw out yer boots, yer mittens and coat
We're goin' down south to live on a boat
It's movin' day, scrape off the car and get away
Just say no shovelin' snow, let's hit the road and go
It's moo-oo-oovin' day


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Morticia
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 08:46 AM

Why don't you all come and take a vacation here? Admittedly I can only offer rain and zero temperatures but at least it wouldn't be snow.And if everyone comes at once, it might be a little 'cosy' but, hell, we'd be warm!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: *daylia*
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 08:49 AM

Here near Barrie Ontario it's -25 this morning, supposed to go up to -16 by this afternoon. Just balmy, from the -35's we've had a couple times this week (-45 with the wind chill).! The kids just love it - they've had 2 days off school just because of the cold in the last week.

Spent an hour or so yesterday shovelling the drive, and it looks like we'll hafta do it all over this morning. YIPPEEEEE ;-)! Oh well, at least the exercise is productive, not like a standard 'work-out' which sometimes makes me feel like a hamster on a running wheel.

It's beautiful out there this morning, the fresh blanket of snow sparkling brilliantly in the bright sunlight, the frosty white branches of the trees tracing intricate lacy patterns against the clear blue sky. If it weren't so gorgeous, I'd start to hate it too! But I'd take the snow any day over the muddy dark "yukkies" of early spring, or late fall ...

And I can always call our friendly neighbourhood 'plow guy' if the work gets too intense. Last week, after the ice-storm/heavy snowfall we had on Tues, he came and did it - for *FREE*! (Well, he had a coffee and bummed a couple smokes). Took him 5 minutes to do what would have taken us a couple hours. Sometimes the snow brings out the best in people ...

Stay warm out there!

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 10:05 AM

It's cold here on the coast of Maine. The snow crunches under the feet and the car takes forever to warm up. The cold bites through the clothing and numbs the nose. Snow, once thought pretty and wonderful is now seen as white feces.

But I remember my youth in Houlton, Maine, and smile to think that I moved south for the warmer winter. I remember days where the cold reduced the volume of air in the tires leaving a flat spot on the bottom. You had to drive a few hundred feet before they warmed up enough to smooth out. I remember winters that ran from October to April. I remember six foot snow drifts and weeks where the high temperatures nover broke -10 below zero Fahrenheit.

And then I decide I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF WINTER! NO MORE SNOW! NO MORE COLD!

I hope that job in Sicily comes through.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Midchuck
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 10:50 AM

The good thing about real cold weather is, it eliminates confusion between U. S. and Canada/Europe. -40 is the same temperature in Farenheit and Celsius, so you don't have to convert. Isn't that great?

Peter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 11:42 AM

Trust Midchuck to come up with that! Is that the only place the scales converge? Must be. Fancy that! :>)

Naemanson, if Sicily falls through, you have an opportunity to try San Diego -- a big Navy center AND a high-tech town, and when we want snow we can drive up to Alpine to get it!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: NicoleC
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 12:09 PM

Yes, -40 is "damn cold" in any unit of measurement!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 12:24 PM

Yup. -40C = -40F... and I have a new meaning for the "F". Snow at the end of the drive is over 7 feet deep and it's -34C wndchill with snow drifting on the 50kph winds. But it's SUNNY.

Jeri... ice dams... calcium chloride in panty hose about every five feet or so will create a water runoff. Do not try to chip any ice away. Only put a ladder up on a calm day and make sure you have two assistants "holding" the ladder by rope from each side. Do not assume jamming the ladder in the snow will be adequate shoring. If you don't know anyone locally who can check your attic ventilation, insufficient ventlation being the major cause of ice dams, PM me and I'll walk you through it. As for now, the panty hose trick may prevent water from backing up under the shigles and getting onto your walls and ceilings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 12:43 PM

I just got word that the Sicily job did fall through. The *!@#!* guy who was supposed to be leaving extended for another year!

However, I found out that there will be jobs opening up in Spain and other places in Southern Italy.

I'm not yet desperate enough for the jobs that are now open in the Middle East. My mom didn't raise a fool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 13 Feb 03 - 02:04 PM

We are having a heat wave today at 14 degrees F. Last Sat. I was in Fargo and it got to 20 below. But no snow here. I want snow, I need snow. I didn't cover my gardens last fall, because I was recovering from that surgery, so now I am afraid, without the snow cover I might lose a lot of plants. The frost is about 6 ft. deep (or more)
A lot of businesses are doing bad here too. No snow for snowmobilers,and a lot of folks rely on that business up here.
I suppose we are due for that foot of snow though, usually comes in March if nothing else.
Hang in there Bobert, not much longer, but since you are semi-retired and have snow, grab a sled and find a hill and go out and enjoy!
Peace. Rustic
ps. Ever play horseshoes in the snow? You have to be real accurate or you lose them easy when they sink in the snow!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST,Richard H
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 12:05 AM

Guy phoned me from Montreal about two weeks ago - he couldn't take the cold. "Looking through my window right now," he said, "I can see five dogs frozen to the same fire hydrant."

Same guy phoned me today. He's in Barbados and can't take the heat.

Oh well, he's going to a beach party tomorrow. That should cool him down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 01:19 AM

Me mother always said..."Cats yeowling at Valentine's means kittens in Spring."

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Spose we can all expect a bountiful harvest!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: DougR
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 01:49 AM

Way to go, Garg! It's about time somebody introduced sex into this thread! After all, what have all these snow bound folks got to do but ...oh, you know. :>)

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 05:26 AM

hmmmm... always prof red eh ? "... shiNgles and getting Into your walls and ceilings." As well, the best book on houses I have ever seen is The Home Reference Book. It's a 400 page binder with 160 illustrations that covers just about everything you'd ever want to know as a home owner. You can see and order it at

www.carsondunlop.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 07:23 AM

I'm about worn out with it this year. More snow and colder temps for a longer period of time than usual.....Much like the blizzard years in '77 & '78. Making it even more like that is the fact we are now waiting on the arrival of a major storm bringing first up to an inch of ice, followed by 6-8 inches of snow and then changing back to ice....all this between 3 PM today and 8 PM Saturday. That's one of the worst combinations for roads, power, etc. I grew up here and left for warmer climes after the '78 blizzard. Why the hell did I move back here?

Spaw.....just another stupid Buckeye


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 07:33 AM

When we had our ice storms nearly two weeks ago, the most important piece of equipment, besides the wood stove of course, was a Coleman stove. Starting the day without a hot cup of tea would have been just awful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 08:26 AM

Got a Coleman stove - just don't got no fuel. Got a fireplace that doesn't really heat the house up. Got 2 wood stove hook-ups and no wood stove. If my power goes out for more than a day, I'm screwed.

Gnu, thanks. It doesn't seem like anything's actually coming in, but it hasn't been warm enough to melt anything recently. I had a look yesterday and it seems the ice is on top of a layer of snow (I figure the sun just melted the surface - it's on the south side of the house) with more snow on top of that. A bunch of it has come off. I figure it get's warmish, breaks and slides off the snow. It doesn't seem like the ice is caused by the stuff freezing as it tries to run off. So maybe it's not a proper ice dam.

I believe the ventilation is good. I bought calcium chloride, I'm pretty sure there's some panty hose around here, but there's no way I'm getting a ladder up to the roof on that side of the house (there's a wicked slope down from the house), and I'm not walking around up there at the present time. Thought about opening a window and swinging stuff up on a cord.

I believe they made February with only 28 days because that's about all we could take... and even that's stretching it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 08:29 AM

Ah yes, the winters of 1977 and 1978. In 1977 we were flooded out of our home by an ocean storm that put three feet of salt water in the road and floated a cake of ice 20 feet long and 1 1/2 feet thick down into our front yard. In 1978 we were snowed in. The storm started around midnight and by the time we left the house at 4:00 AM we knew itwas gonna be bad. I drove my wife to work and stayed there until she was ready to go home. It took us two hours to drive the three miles back to the house in a 4 wheel drive Jeep pickup. We had to park and struggle the last 100 yards on foot.

And now I'm back living in the same area after living in Florida, Georgia, and Rhode Island. Spaw, you don't have to be a Buckeye to be stupid. Sign me up for that list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 09:03 AM

Jeri... sounds like you're okay. Just keep an eye on the soffit return (the flat underneath of the eave) and the exterior walls and ceilings near the top of the walls. If you see water or staining, get that pantyhose out there and then check the eave ventilation. As well, if you get a water stain on the ceiling, poke a hole at the stain and let the water drain to help prevent further staining and damage. Just don'y use anything too sharp and don't go any deeper than necessary to get the water running - you don't want to hit any wiring.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 09:23 AM

Its -6 degress outside and probably not much over 40 in this room. i am wearing a coat and would put on gloves if I could type with them on. One school system north of here had to delay opening because at -28 the busses wouldn't start.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 09:32 AM

Thanks gnu - great to know we have experts on durned near everything here! Right now, nothing's dripping from anywhere. I'll watch for stains when the stuff actually starts melting. Roof's been here since 1972, and it it doesn't look like anything's ever come in. Except the odd squirrel.

Brett, I've lived in Virginia (D.C. area), the UK and Texas. Loved the weather in Texas, but I missed autumn - trees went from green to brown. (I use the term 'trees' euphemistically since where I was, they were mostly mesquite.) Same sort of autumn in the UK except it rained all the time. Oh, but when the sun came out, it was lush green. Virginia had all the season, but flowers were still growing in December and winters were usually quite mild. Anyway, add me to the 'stupid' list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 10:53 AM

Hey Jeri, that "stupid" list seems to be growing longer. Wait till I move to warmer climes and watch me add myself to the stupid list for leaving Maine! The grass sure looks green over there. Wait a minute! That's because they have grass and we have snow!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Feb 03 - 11:18 AM

Mosquitoes and other biting bugs. Small shiny poisonous spiders. big hairy poisonous spiders (sure - SOME of them are friendly, but there's only one way to find out which.) Poisonous amphibians. Sharks and stinging jellyfish. NONE of those things like snow!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 15 Feb 03 - 08:38 PM

Too true!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 03 - 08:47 PM

I'd take me a barrel of jeelyfish about now. Got 5 inches today on top of the two or three that remained form the last time. Hey, that wouldn't mean anything except they're calling for another 12 to 15 inches tomorrow.

Have I mentioned the fact that I hate snow?

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 03 - 10:32 PM

I'm right there with you, Bobert. Richmond area expecting 8-14 inches of snow on top of the 2-3 inches of sleet and freezing rain we're getting now. March is coming soon!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Feb 03 - 10:53 PM

Hey Bobertz, we got more and more coming.....I was hoping it would all pass us and hit you but the damn thing seems to have got us both!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Feb 03 - 11:09 PM

*bracing ourselves here in Wash DC*....I shoveled twice yesterday and once today, and they predict 10-14" more!...

Dick Greenhaus and Susan of DT headed back north this afternoon, hoping to beat the worst of it...MMario will be with us overnight, and we'll see if he gets out before Monday..(the music's too good to leave!)

unless the power goes out, we'll let you know...


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 03 - 11:09 PM

Well. danged, Spawzer. I thought it snowed in ohio year 'round. Think I've been to Youngstown about 6 or 8 times and it's allways snowing there.

(yo, Bobert, Think that has anything to do with the fact that ya allways go for Christmas?)

Well, now the wheather service say 2 feet. Well, danged. I ain't sure that either me. my back or my beat up snow shovel is in fir this....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Feb 03 - 11:36 PM

It was bright and sunny here today. I don't think we're supposed to see much, if any, of it.

Nyah, nyah!
Poor Jed's probably freezin' his poor Texan butt off. Hope he owns something besides sneakers!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Feb 03 - 11:49 PM

We set a record on Friday - 17 below zero. My car celebrated by freezing the coolant. Guess it was a little low. Broke down and turned the heat up to 70 today. Even the cats were cold. More snow on Monday. Can't complain. I have only fallen once. Of course that was as I waved to a new neighbor who goes by eyes averted now. Probably thinks I was drinking.

My family thinks I am crazy for moving to Maine. But I love it. The sunrises and sunsets are filled with shades of purple and blue I have never seen before. And I can see stars at night, lots of stars.

For the first time in my life I am aching for spring. I usually dread summer. Not this year. Something to do with earning it, I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 09:18 AM

This is a strange storm.......The farther east it moves the faster it dumps the snow! WE have something around 14" but decreased a bit from several periods of sleet and are expecting another 6-12 in the next 18 hours and it's been coming down for about 40 hours now. DC/Baltimore seems to be going to get the works in about half the time and, according to forecasts, NYC will get it in an even shorter period.   About the same amount of precip/snow in every case, just a time difference in how fast it all comes down. This one's a doozy!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 09:25 AM

I've reported this before, but... my brother's dream is to head south with his snowblower until someone asks, "What's that ?". Of course, not today cause it's minus way-to-cold again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 09:31 AM

Huff.... pufffff.... Well, danged. I've been out three times allready trying to keep the basic paths open to the wood pile and bird feeder and "Ugly" (My M880 Surplus Army truck). Well, we have 15 total inches now and it it snowing at about 1 1/2 inches an hour. Ouch! Sorry, my back is doing some seriuos lobbying.

Yo, GUEST, what's it look like down in Richmond? I love Richmond in the snow! Just put on yer boots and walk to Joe's Inn fir brunch...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:08 AM

Its 0 degress right now. Don't know how low it got, but some pipes froze up. About to decend into the cellar to fix the first leak and check for others. Then got to thaw the pipe in the kitchen. But at least we're not supposed to get any of that sky dandruff that's plaguing some of you -- Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:13 AM

I'm headed south to a land that is green
Pushing my old snow-blowing machine
When someone asks me what
Is that funny thing I've got
I know the promised land I've finally seen, I've seen
I know the promised land I've finally seen

(Apologies to Tom Lewis)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:23 AM

it's about 10-12 inches now, and MMario says he is heading home!...he is confident that by following the plows and staying on main highways, he'll be fine..is has been fun having him, but he is a glutton for punishment,,,

Dick G and Susan of DT got out when it was only 2-3", so they are fine...Jed will be here awhile...*grin*


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 03:01 PM

I have just shoveled for the 6th time in 2 days, and it snowed an inch in the 15 minutes I was out. It has snowed 4-5" in the 3 hours since Mario left...I hate going out there, but I'd hate even more facing 24" tomorrow or Monday! (14 inches on the ground now)

(snowing harder and faster as I type...it will be an interesting few days)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Richie
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 03:31 PM

Winston-Salem, NC is under a sheet of ice. Two inches of ice so far but at least the power is still on.

I went to church to play for the early service and the minister sent me home. It was very treacherous on the roads with several cars sliding into ditches.

-Richie


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 04:27 PM

Well, danged! This ol' hillbilly has been shoveling snow off and on all day and its still coming down at a rate of about 1 1/2 inches per hour. We're up to 18" now and the piles on the sides of the paths about 36" and the drive way about 48".

If this crap quit right now it would tie for the 2nd worst snow I've seen here on the Blue Ridge Mt. in the 19 years that I've been here. The worst was Jan, 1996 when we got 31 inches.

Think I'll go get a couple Bayer Asprin for my poor, wores out back...

Geeeze.

Have I mentioned that I hate snow?

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: annamill
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:14 PM

It's snowing like crazy right now here in New Jersey,USA. They say it will be snowing for 3 days. That's a lot of snow!!

I have two words. San Diego!!

Honey and I will be there next year!! YAY!!

If we miss snow we'll come back for a visit. A short visit!

Love, Annamill


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 05:42 PM

HAte to mention this to you east coast folks, but it's still snowing pretty hard here........I'm trying to send it all your way, but it insists on hanging around.......

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Tinker
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 09:10 PM

Well, it just started settling in to North Jersey and they are already telling people not to plan on moving much on Tuesday. Folks here about don't deal well with snow.

Tinker


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Richie
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:02 PM

The ice is still coming down in NC. We've got over two inches of ice piled up here.

I just got back from the studio-finished our new CD, Bluegrass Boogie (listenening to it as I type).

Not many cars are out.

My parents in DC say they might get two feet.

-Richie


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: MMario
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:27 PM

well - it took two hours to get to baltimore - but things got better as I headed north on 83 - almost "normal" by the time I reached Harrisburg - and no snow at all from williamsport north! about 10 hours for a seven hours trip - not bad, all things considered!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 10:51 PM

Already got about 18-20.....4-6 more tonight, 2-3 tomorrow......They say it's supposed to quit about noon, tapering to flurries. Hope all of you to the east enjoy it!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 11:09 PM

(we made Mario shovel out the driveway before he left....but, since he left, I have shoveled it 4 times since noon!)

COME BACK, Mario!..*grin*..(VERY glad to hear it worked ok...3 extra hours is indeed not bad...but if you had waited 3 more hours to start, you would not have made it home till Wednesday...they banned all but emergency traffic about dark, and our street is 'close' to impassable now...we have 18"+ in the yard.

Bobert, have I mentioned that you have another member for your snow haters club?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Richie
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 11:16 PM

We still have freezing rain in NC, coming down harder now. It's no matter! (snow matter)


-Richie


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:23 AM

Richie, you have it worse than any of us with snow. I hate that damn freezing rain......Ice storms are the worst and from the looks of the radar, you probably have even more coming. Hope your power stays on.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:23 AM

Danged! In Alaska you'd have to go up about as far north you can get to get the kind of temperatures you're reporting, about -25 in Barrow. In Fairbanks, about 600 miles north of Southeast, the temps are hovering around -10. WE stand at about 40+ and have been for days. No snow. This is Alaska, for pitys sake.

Yep. I think it's Nature's way of rebelling against the vacuum in Washington D.C.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 10:51 AM

Well, they're calling for a bit of snow here in the Toronto area, but the great news is that it is warming up. They say a high of -16 Celsius today, but it' ssupposed to get to plus one or two this week. It's about time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 10:53 AM

Bobert, they predicted a lot of snow here, but all we got was 3 days of sleet. It's about 6 inches deep. Roads are a mess as usual. I did make it to work driving 25 miles an hour. Took almost 1 1/2 hours to go the 20 miles to downtown Richmond. It's still sleeting,dammit. James


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 10:57 AM

BillD; Your membership card is in the mail.

Man,this ol' hillbilly has allready been at it this morning. Everyehere I shoveled last night has ten more inches of snow.

Looks as if I'll be shoveling all day today also or until my poor old back gives it up. It's sore now, and I thought I was in decent shape.

Looks like around 28" inches total here on the Blue Ridge.

Been lookin' thru the dictionary for a stronger word than "hate" but unitl I find one Iz sill hatin' snow...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 11:17 AM

Well over here in the UK, our corner of Kent did get about 4 inches of snow at the beginning of January. A freak snowstorm (I don't think it was much deeper) hit the Essex/Herts area area a few weeks ago and caused people to spend the night in their cars on the M11 motorway. That's the way it works over here, heavy snow is relatively rare in southern England and so none of the transport services are geared up for it when it hits. Mind you, we also had a few of the hotest January days on record this year - there's nothing predictable about British weather. Today it's dry warm and sunny and except for a chilly wind, a beautiful day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Alice
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 11:20 AM

Well, here in Montana we have some snow, but not that much compared to the East coast. The forecast for tomorrow is a high of +40 and it will be close to that today.

For all of you, here is a link to the diary of a snow shoveler from the old "Cheer Me Up" thread, 1998.

Diary of a Snow Shoveler

Alice


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 11:43 AM

Addendum to my previous "Stay Out of Florida" proclamation:

Folk (and particularly Celtic) musicians are exempt from said ruling. In fact, they are welcome to camp out on my property for as long as they wish. Please bring tent, Coleman stove, and instruments.   A decent sleeping bag is a good idea too as we're talking NORTH Florida here, where nights in the 30's (F) are the norm for this time of year. (If ya wanna go where it never gets cold, you'll have to talk to Tweed.) But, at least IT DOESN'T SNOW!

Bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:07 PM

Bobert: 'loathe', 'despise', to be disgusted by...
OR you can add adjectives describing the 'evil' snow, the 'despicable' snow, 'disgusting' works here, too. I'll stop.

Yesterday, the forecast was 1-3". Today, I've heard 6-12" and 12-18" depending on which channel I listen to. It's supposed to start tonight, but has been spitting snow since mid-morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:13 PM

My goodness! You peole south of here have it rough. I've been hearing the reports on the radio and my hat's off to you. Here in Maine we can deal with lots of snow though we haven't had to in several years. This year is an old fashioned Maine winter with plenty of snow to go around and temperatures hovering around zero (F). I talked to my mother on Saturday night and she reported -27 F in Houlton, Maine. That just reinforced my idea that I moved to southern Maine for the warmer weather. At my house it was up to -5 F.

We are supposed to get some snow out of this storm though the predictions are all over the board. I've heard 4 - 6 inches but someone just told me we should get 6 - 12 inches. We'll see.

They've also predicted temperatures in the 40s this week! I am really looking forward to warmer weather. I'm supposed to fly out to southern California for next weekend and the long range prediction is for a "wintery mix" on that weekend. Wish me luck. I hate to fly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:14 PM

As Jeri said, it's getting flaky around here. 12 degrees F. Maybe an inch of s before dark, 6 to 8 overnight, and a few more inches in the morning.

As for adjectives to describe the vile stuff, I should like to nominate "bushian" in honor of the cause of it all -- Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:25 PM

YEEHAHHH !!! It's going up to -12C today ! And the wind died down. Of course, Spaw is sending us some snow, but we're only allowing two inches... so far, that's the forecast for tomorrow. A 31 inch record ? We had 1.62m (64 inches) in one smack back in.... hmmm... around '92 or so I think. I still have pictures of snow drifted above the eaves. Some people dug tunnels to their garages. I think that's the winter I began to hate snow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 12:56 PM

well, last night, after I shoveled about 10PM, it kept snowing...added 2-3"...then sleet for several hours...then this morning 3-4 more inches on top...so there is this 'crust' underneath. (There are idiots out in front of my house trying to dig out the street to rescue the cars they drove as far as they could before getting stuck!)

I have pretty well strained the muscles in my right arm/elbow, so 'very' little shoveling for me for awhile...will turn it over to my son, as soon as HE gets in from where he is snowbound.

We have rations, the WWW/internet, and 5 birdfeeders for entertainment!...Got Goldfinches at the thistle seeds (several families arrive when it snows), Cardinals and Song Sparrows and Titmouses and Chickadees at the sunflower seeds, and Red-Bellied and Downy Woodpeckers, plus Carolina Wrens at the suet...quite a show as they jostle for 'pecking rights'!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 01:00 PM

Jeri:

Don't believe the forcasters. They know nothing. That aeactly what they told us and no I'm lookin' At 28 inches!

Yep, now I hate the wethermen for missing so badly on this evil despicable, disgusting evil snow.

How's that?

Run to the store now for the usual: milk and toilet paper. Go figure why that combination but that's the official list of necessities.

Not fir me: it's beer and salad fixin's...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 01:13 PM

Yeah....This one just keeps givin' and givin'.........Jeri, that's how it went here...they just kept uppin' the ante! Should stop today from the look of the maps, maybe by this evening, but it's snowing hard right now. The estimate is for another 2-4 then stop. Of course then it's going up to 40+ degrees for a few days and the flash floods will start..............

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 03:05 PM

As I wandered down the hall here at the office I noticed the windows at the end of the building. The snow sliding off the roof has now piled up to cover them completely. They will not see anysunshine until late March or Early April. We are luckier at our end. The snow is only up to the sills of the windows. There is a protective shelter over a door at the other end and it channels the snow sideways over the windows. Earlier this winter a snow slide broke the window and covered one of the desks with snow and broken glass. Fortunately the person who works there was in my office at the time.

Just another Maine winter.

I'm tired of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 03:23 PM

I just started a new thread with pics of Jed's concert and some of the snow


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 05:06 PM

18-25 inches by mid day tomorrow! I really wouldn't mind, only I've moved to a home with a l-o-n-g driveway, and I have to pay the plowman. Tomorrow he's going to earn every cent!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 05:55 PM

The only way to deal with a long driveway is to park at the head of it; been doing that for 25 years now. I once had a plow man who would do the 300 feet for $15.00. It made walking easier, but the job did not allow for cars.

Today I fully realised how much passive solar heat I have been getting. The gray snowy sky has made it totally impossible to get the house comfortable. It's fine upstairs and near the woodstove, but the rest of the house is still chilly, and a lot moreso than when it was only 1 or 2 degrees, not today's 12.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 06:54 PM

Well, danged! Iz been shoveling snow for two days and since my neighbor plowed last night I thought I would get out this afternoon. Having the biggest and badest of the four wheel drives. A wonderful 1976 Dodge M880 Military truch with big snow tire all around, I was off to the beer store.

Wrong....

Made it about 300 feet before getting into some 24" stuff which is where it is going to have to spend a few days until the state brings in the front loaders and get some of this evil stuff out of here..

Danged. I despise snow...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 11:13 AM

The drifts in what was once a pathway are over my waist and it's still coming down, lightly though. I have yet to trudge the 300 feet to where the cars are to see how many feet of S are piled up by them. I even watched a squirrel "shoveling out" a hollow tree. Will report back later -- Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: MMario
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 11:23 AM

Reports are that a friends Pomeranian literally "tunnenneled" his way through the snow this morning when he was let out. I just got stuck in the driveway just off the road - pulled out by the local tow truck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 11:24 AM

So how are y'all doing? SOuthern California sound any better to you? :>) Hear the gummint in D.C. has shut down on accounta snow!! First bright idea I've heard outta that lot. If we could talk 'em into shutting down on account of idiocy, we'd get somewhere! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 11:28 AM

Now there's a thought!

LOL, Amos...

Wish you were here...

And me there...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 12:15 PM

Spent a solid hour shoveling this morning. Jeez - I'm in better shape than I though. Back didn't get too tired, arms didn't, I didn't feel like I was working too hard. I guess I've had a lot of practice.

I called to find out if my eye appointment was cancelled. It wasn't, so I cancelled it. Called to find out if work was cancelled - nope, only starting at noon. I whined. Not going in until tomorrow - it's just too dangerous to drive. I DID go out to buy necessities - corn chips, a candy bar and some other junk food.

Tom, I don't have drifts, but the small mountains of snow formed by the town plow and the local plowboy lads is over 8 feet on either side of the driveway. Maybe I'll go out later and carve them into nice lions or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 12:57 PM

Now Bobert, I haz no idea what yur talking about. I just spent over an hour trying to put a dent in the snow in our driveway. Finally some kids came along and asked if I wanted any help. I told them I'd give them ten bucks "just" to clear out the drift at the end of the driveway. It was four feet high, of compacted snow and sand that the snow plows had pushed into my driveway. I worked with them on it, and the three of us shoveling, and then clearing it out with a snow blower took us almost a half hour... to go six feet. I'll go out for my third shot at the driveway, and I haven't done the sidewalk along the side of the house, or in the back.

I keep saying to myself, "This is a good day!" Thank God I have an operating nrevous system so I can feel every ache in my joints and in my back. I thank God that I can see over the four foot drifts. And thank God I don't have to go anywhere today so I can lie here on the floor and groan softly. If I didn't have a voice, how would I groan?

All that said, a woman we've been visiting for the last year, who had no family or friends, died last week. We found out when we went to visit her on Sunday. She had been in a lot of pain, and had to go on oxygen. She died alone, with no one to hold her hand or be with her.
Her funeral is tomorrow and I don't know if we'll be able to get through this snow to go there. If we don't I don't know if there'll be anyone there.

Now that I mention it, this IS a good day. Tiring, though. So how come God didn't make snow in colors? It would at least have been more interesting to shovel.

The Ollllld man from Connecticut.. groaannn..


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Tinker
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 02:04 PM

Well the end of the driveway piles aren't quite to eight feet yet, but, they are definately above my head, and maxed at my fling the snow range. Now, I've been rotating shifts of kids out to shovel. (knew there was some good to be had from all this emerging testosterone around here...) There was plenty for the princess to get up and take a shift too. I'm a tad achy, but I won't have to try and fit in work out time today....
Watching Bubba bound like a rabbbit to get through the snow gave us all the giggles this morning. He's 36 inches at the shoulder and had to get a mighty spring from the hind legs to get himself going at surprising speed.
NOt a bad way to spend a couuuple of school vacation days. No question there was plenty to keep folks busy.

Amos, my sixteen year old spent her shovel time mumbling about college in California...

Tinker


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 02:16 PM

" So how come God didn't make snow in colors?"

Well, let's see, you've got your yellow snow that you shouldn't eat, and the gray stuff that appears along roadways late in winter...

But then there is the reflection of light on snow. In the bright sun the shadows are pale, pale blue where the snow reflects the blue sky. At dawn and at sunset the snow takes on the red and gold of the sky and reflects a pink glow. And in the bitter cold, when the northern lights are particularly bright you can see the green flickers in the ice crystals.

Snow comes in colors, Jerry, you just have to be there, in the cold, at the right time, in the silence, for the greatest light show on Earth.

But I still hate snow!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 02:19 PM

Maybe Robert Service said it best:

You know what it's like in the Yukon wild
When it's sixty-nine below;
When the ice-worms wriggle their purple heads
Through the crust of the pale blue snow;
When the pine-trees crack like little guns
In the silence of the wood,
And the icicles hang down like tusks
Under the parka hood;
When the stove-pipe smoke breaks sudden off,
And the sky is weirdly lit,
And the careless feel of a bit of steel
Burns like a red-hot spit;
When the mercury is a frozen ball,
And the frost-fiend stalks to kill --
Well, it was just like that that day when I
Set out to look for Bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 02:20 PM

We didn't get 24 inches but it took a couple of hours to dig around the cars and get the drifts offa the woodpiles! I'm also grateful for 2 strong teenagers- they hate it, but I just spout sermons about teamwork and responsibility until they get out and help in order to shut me up! Besides, I make the best hot cocoa in sou-western NH!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 02:27 PM

WEll, the roads are pretty good but it was this morning before we got one car out of the garage. The van may be there for a few more days. They really tackled the roads bigtime and the major stuff is clear.....getting to it is a problem. Getting out of my garage was a bigger one. The drive is also two lanes wide, but the camper has one lane blocked so you have to do this swerve thing around it with Karen's car. Then there's an immediate turn into the alley with the "barn-garage" right on the corner and the guy behind us has a stockade fence just a foot or so off the alley.   Unfortunately, her car is the front wheel drive and the friggin' van can get stuck on level ground in it's own tracks! Anyway, with drifts, there was about two foot in the drive which is now down to an even layer at about 6 inches sorta'......In any case, we got the Dodge out so she can go to work.

It's pretty though.......Watching the dogs up to their shoulders making paths........and Sissy trying to keep the snow off of her ass while she craps...........ah, winter...........................

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Alba
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 02:29 PM

Loved the Robert Service poem. I used to live in his old family house which was in Roxburgh Street in Glasgow.......freaked when I found out he used to live there after loving his work for years. The house was....shall I say...still carrying old energy!!!!!
As for Snow, when it falls in November it is met with ohh's and ahhh's and oh doesn't the place look like a Winter wonderland???? by February it has become white S---.....looking forward to Spring to come along and kick Winter's butt right out of here now. Seems though that I have missed out on the snow fall.....odd due to the fact I live in Northern maine...........all gone south for the Winter this year........oh dear how sad never mind haha


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Peg
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 02:52 PM

We just got two feet in Boston (after a foot about ten days ago). Very unusual given the last few years (last winter average temps were inthe forties and no precipitation to speak of; downright eerie, and no snow in the Berkshires, even...). Lots of snow and lenty of cold temps since October, basically: an old-fashioned winter indeed...

I grew up in western NY and am no stranger to snow. I get irritated when people in this city don't shovel their sidewalks. My landlord doesn't even provide us with a shovel. Last week I was using our coal shovel thing to create a thin path on most of my street's sidewalk on this side; this morning the guy next door did the whole street's sidewalk with his snow blower; so I guess all that shovelling karma paid off! I also helped an old woman shovel really wet heavy snow off her steps one day; no on elese in her three-family unit could be bothered I guess...

I find the snow beautiful and love to get out into it. Winter hiking is the best. Walked to the store and the laundromat in the midst of a windy blizzard yesterday. Invigorating at first, then a bit much. Decided not to go cross-country skiiing until that wind stopped. I am off to do some today, probably in a half hour or so...
all colleges in the city were closed (even Harvard I think and they never close) so I did not have to work today...

We lost power briefly last night; I read by candlelight for a couple hours..

I am really glad i am no longer a car-owner--Boston in winter is rough on drivers!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: MMario
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 02:56 PM

Boston is hard on drivers - period. Boston-in-winter is (in my mind) on a par with Dallas-in-an-icestorm that Jed Marum mentioned the other night.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 03:17 PM

Jerry, your "today is a good day" commentary was FUNNY! If I had some food coloring, I'd mix it with water in spray bottles and go paint rainbows on my front yard. Unfortunately, I don't have any food coloring. It's still snowing anyway, so it would just get covered up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 03:24 PM

You got the right idea, Jeri. I'd like a full rainbow with pyschedelic tie die patterns. But, I also appreciate Naemenson's comments. I think the reason why God wasn't into tie dying is because nothing could match the beauty of the subtle variations of snow with the sun reflecting off of it. I could easily live without dirty snow though..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 03:42 PM

I like to think those subtle variations of color are some kind of compensation for having to deal with the cold and snow. But these days I don't think it is enough of a compensation.

This weekend I woke early enough to watch the sun come up over Swan Island. The snow reflected that faint orange pink as it climbed into the sky. Then it glinted on the weather vane on the onion dome of the old Russian Orthodox chruch out the other window. Very pretty.

However, I will try to forget all about those sights when I am walking on the beach by the Pacific Ocean next week.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 04:01 PM

Arghhh!!!

Just got Tom's car shovelled out (around 3 pm). While he was gone, I further cleared his spot and started carting snow away from my car. The thing is the snow is already piled so high that it's a workout to throw each new shovel up on the bank. Got a fair amount that the plow pushed up behind my car eliminated, but my car won't be shoveled out today. Fatigue and sunset are setting in. So it looks like Tom gets to play chauffeur tomorrow so I can get to work.

Sabine, the silly feline, insisted on going out when I came inside. Cats don't listen. It wasn't long before she was trying to dismantle the door to get in. By the time I went to the door, she had tried to get to the window in front of the computer and was belly deep in the snow piled against the house. I encouraged her from the door (she had originally gone straight over the bank next to the house from the shoveled path), but then she decided that going the other direction was a better idea. No it wasn't, I told her, and this time she listened, and plowed through whisker high snow to get to the porch steps.

My feet are very cold and very wet.

I thought I left this weather in Wisconsin when I left 30 years ago! (Funny, I talked to my mother in Milwaukee this morning and they have very little snow.)

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: DougR
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 04:57 PM

Bobert: I'm sorry you are having to cope with all that white stuff. But having to go without beer! Wow! That's even tougher.

I've never shoveled snow. Doesn't it give you a backache or something?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 05:35 PM

it's ok, Doug...there is other stuff you get high & deep down there...*grin*...(and some of it gives ME a headache..;>))....

yep, snow is a mixed blassing...we need the moisture, and this will mely slowly, allowing ground water recharge., but WOW, it is wearying!...(and it brings out silly people who just do NOT get it...we have had 7-8 cars just barely make it to our 'corner', where the diverging streets get narrower & steeper, then get stuck and have to dif out and back up...(including a Humvee!)...why do people not realize that 8" of clearance and 18" of snow are not compatible? The street is beginning to get packed down now..(two ruts)...but the plows have not been by yet, and they will probably make it worse, as many people have dug out a little, and those banks they leave will just make everyone start over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Burke
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 06:01 PM

Here in Utica, we managed to get through this storm with only about a foot yesterday. The forecast, however had been that we'd be missed almost completely & only get 3-6 inches.

What I want to know, though is what's your total for the year? We've had 123 inches for the year. We are way ahead of Buffalo where they haven't even hit 100 yet. In Dec & Jan we had 37 straight days when we had at least a little snow & sometimes it was a lot. We had a storm last week that sent us all home. I've had 5 ft. banks at the bottom of my driveway since New Years.

It's been cold too! For the past 6 weeks, bitter. It's hanging right around 0 F. Not as cold as some, but our normal winters stay in the 20's with lots of above freezing days. We're supposed to get rain on Friday, which I dread almost more than snow. I won't have anyplace to run off to & then will be a sheet of ice.

gnu, help me! I do have ice dams on the north side & I'm seeing staining on the siding. It's 2 stories up, so I don't want to think about trying to get up there. I've been in the attic & there is plenty of ventilation-big vents at both ends. The south side looks better since there's been enough sun to get most of it off. Is the book you recommended good even if an inspector hasn't completed it for you? They list it at $60!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 06:02 PM

Whew! Just read this whole thread and I'm really exhausted. Much more so than from the shoveling sessions I did today so tenants like Brett could get out to go to work and come back to our lovely parking lot. Something like 8 inches of light stuff has fallen here in Richmond, Maine. I'm grateful that it's the light stuff but if it were the heavy stuff I would have called someone to plow it out and cheered them on from the office window. The cat gang is pissed but there are rumors of 40 degree weather later this week,

Here's a timely song to recycle:

Words by Eileen McGann ©
Adapted by Charlie Ipcar
Traditional Tune: "South Australia"

A Snow Shanty


As I awoke one frozen morn,
Heave away, haul away,
Radio said there'd been a storm,
I'll be late for work this morning.

Chorus:

Haul away, you frozen thing,
Heave away, haul away,
Haul away, now hear me sing,
I'll be late for work this morning.

There's just one thing that grieves me mind…
To leave this nice warm bed behind…(CHO)

I tried to open up the door…
Snow's piled up five feet or more…(CHO)

Kicked that door to make a gap…
Took one step, fell on me back…(CHO)

Got a shoveling job ahead…
'Cept the shovel's in the shed…(CHO)

Now to shovel out the cars…
If I can find just where they are…(CHO)

The cars are out, the driveway's clear…
What's that rumbling noise I hear? …(CHO)

That city plow goes thundering by…
Leaving snow banks ten feet high…(CHO)

The cars are buried, all hope has fled,
Heave away, haul away,
It's time I got back to me bed!
I'll be late for work this morning...

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 08:12 PM

Not as bad as Charley's song. The plow bank was around five feet high. It only took two hours to get one car out, By then it was after three and I needed to get provisions. Fortunately we had enough beer, gin and scotch, only needed food. Of course I later got a call to do some work. But having to take Linn to work, and having a commitment on Thursday, I had to decline. There's a hundred dollar lost to the S.

Mark my words -- if I ever get thawed out and dug out enough and have enough energy left, I shall offer this thread a compendium of curses and expletives with regard to this bushian weather as have ever been uttered in a single post -- Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 08:29 PM

Tom and Linn-

We're sending more liquor via our trusty giant grey tiger cat. He answers to the name of Gashay ("My Shield") but in emergencies has been known to respond to the sound of a can being openned. He has not been known to consume alcoholic beaverages, so our shipment should arrive intact. Oh, do you have a cat door?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 08:42 PM

I sing the blanket electric...
No, I don't think so.

You know, I bitch about the house falling apart and the front yard full of crabgrass, but I'm quite lucky to have neighbors with engine-driven toys.

I have a nice roaring fire going, and the smell of woodsmoke throughout the house...and the smoke. (Not that bad, but every once in a while a coal gets outside the suck zone of the chimney.) When I first went down to get wood, I found a wee dead mousie on top of the woodpile, just under the window. There was mousie crap on the sill. All I can think about was the poor little guy being trapped there, staring out at the freedom he'd never again know, until he starved to death and went 'plonk' off the sill and onto the wood. I gave him a proper burial in that place he longed to be. Big ass pile of snow on the side of the house. Maybe some other hungry creature will find the mousickle and not starve this winter. Or maybe he'll defrost and I'll step in him in the spring.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 10:09 PM

Doug:

Yeah, what you said. Man, no beer is a bad situation.

Well, the P-Vine and I walked to Weber's Store (2 1/2 miles each way) today. I took a back pack and stuffed a case of beer in it at Webers so I'm good to go.

Couple of good ol boys stopped us on the way home. They'd gotten out and asked if we wanted a ride on their tailgate back to *close* to our house and, well, ahhh, we said sure! Bad idea.
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Might have saved us two miles of walkin' but the entire bed of the truck was filled with snow so all we had was the tailgate. Now I had a case of beer in the backpack so I only had about 10 inches of Bobert butt on the tailgate and the P-vine, well, she was scared to death. But we clawed and scratched into anything we could hold onto and them boys finally came to a stop where we had told 'em we'd have to walk in from there and the P-Vine says to the guys in the truck, "What the heck's wrong with you knotheads?"

Well, I was glad fir the ride and equally to survive the ordeal so I just made a few jokes and all was well.

The P-Vine, however, has not missed any opportunity to remind me that we could have been seriously hurt if we'd fallen off the back of the truck....

Women?

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 05:56 AM

This just in from CMHC re ice removal from rooves. (I had posted earlier that calcium chloride in panty hose was a good way to create drains for ice dammed water on rooves.) Safer materials: CMA (calcium magnesium acetate), Urea, KCl (Potassium chloride), (NH4) 2SO4 (Ammonium Sulfate). Of course, obtaining these materials may not be as easy - CaCl can be found at many stores like Walmart (sp?). Homeland Security might crawl up your ass if you buy a whack of urea while driving your diesel powered vehicle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 10:37 AM

This year I am renting a nice warm heated second floor apartment. My landlord, the esteemed Charley Noble, is responsible for snow removal. It does my heart, and my back, and my arms, good to see him out there struggling with the snow while I stand in my bathrobe and drink my coffee in the morning.

All hail the noble landlord!

Only 3 1/2 days till I go to California! I am going to make a point of walking barefoot in the sand every afternoon!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 12:17 PM

well, for the first time in my life, I just shoveled a roof!..My back porch is 'too' flattish, so I took a square tipped spade and removed several hundred pounds..(maybe 1/4) will do more later...it allows the sun to hit the roof directly and provide run-off.(The gutter is pretty solid right now, but I was beginning get seepage thru the roof, making cracks in the plaster above the porch...

ain't winter grand?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 12:29 PM

I love snow. It's cold and ice I detest. If it would only snow warm snow on beautiful, sunny days....

I was outside telling everyone I love snow and ice, that it was wonderful out, that cold was bracing and envigorating. Some nice men came by with a big truck and gave me a ride to a nice hospital sort of place where nice people gave me nice stuff to drink and finally I got to go home. Now those nice folks come by every day and see that I'm getting nicely along. They told me that last time that they are going to "discharge" me next week, if I'm nice.

We've power several times, sometimes when I'm on Mudchat. Three times it has been between two and three in the afternoon, so we're know planning for our daily power outage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 01:27 PM

Yesterday evening one of my co-workers broke her right wrist while shoveling snow. It's a pretty complex break and may need surgery to fully repair.

Damn winter!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 02:54 PM

I don't mind snow all that much. But if I have to be in a place with a lot of snow, I prefer it to be someplace where snow is so common that it's just a normal part of everyday life. That plus a good all wheel drive vehicle and a warm, snug, energy efficient home with a mudroom and a lot of natural light.

We just got back to Georgia last night from the "blizzard of the century" in the mid-Atlantic and northeast parts of the US. The amount of snow we encountered (about 30 inches in some places) wasn't all that impressive by the standards of some places I've lived. I lived for 13 years in a place that had 100 inches average yearly snowfall. But the Washington metropolitan area and Maryland's eastern shore are not at all used to that much snow, and they are ill equipped to deal with it. We had an "all wheel drive all the time" vehicle, for which I was grateful, and I have a husband from Newfoundland, for whom I was (and am) grateful. So getting around wasn't too much trouble for us.

Having said all of that, I really enjoyed getting back to here to the south where there is new green grass just starting to show, and no snow, road salt, or road cinders anywhere to be seen. (Of course, I imagine I'll be singing a different tune in August.)

Brett... enjoy the sand on your feet! It's one of the most healing things there is (in my opinion).


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 03:06 PM

Just completed digging out the Bat(Goddess)mobile. I am very tired and achy. And while I am a true Yankee, New Hampshire native and all that, I am absolutely fed up the the worst winter I can recall. The cold weather and the first snow came in October. It never warmed up. Then the snow started, fairly constantly. Then a long break due to temperatures so low that even snow couldn't fall. And now this.

But, on the bright side, the sun is shining, it's 37 degrees, the house is too hot, and the only snow forecast for the next fourteen days will be quickly washed away by the freezing rain that's coming with it -- Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: DougR
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 03:42 PM

We have a projected high of 75 degrees today, but a colder day of 70 is forecast for tomorrow. It was really nice taking my two mile walk this morning wearing sweats and a T-shirt. Oh well, we pay for it in the summer.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 04:01 PM

probably not a good idea to tell Doug that 143 tons of snow are on the way in refrigerated trucks, to be dumped on his lawn and doorstep during his NEXT 2 mile walk....(wouldn't want him to go ALL his life without shoveling snow...*grin*)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 04:05 PM

I'm with you, Bill D. Watch out, Doug, here it comes!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 06:20 PM

Refigerated trucks will take too long. How about an airlift?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 06:35 PM

Alaska is, I understand, having a warm winter. I believe it, for all the herds of wooly mammoths are starting to migrate north to warmer climes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: harpgirl
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 06:44 PM

gee wiz...it was pushing 70 today here in sunny Flori-DUH! The redbeds are blossoming, the daffodil shoots are poking through the ground, the snowball bushes are sprouting green leaves...I put in some lettuce, brocolli, and brussel sprouts this week....I feel sorry for you northerners! I had my fill of cold weather a long time ago....

and BTW Brett is that new attitude from a medicine bottle or have you turned things around mentally on your own!!! Glad to hear you so cheerful....


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 07:17 PM

Free Snow, You Shovel and Haul...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 08:04 PM

Well, for better or worse, the full moon was Sunday and a change is on the way. We've had a dramatic change, with sun/cloud and near zero temps forecast for the next few days. I even salted my Mum's driveway today... it wouldn't have had any effect for the last week. Let's just hope that everyone will get a break. The last month has been tough on a lot of people the world over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: DougR
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 01:43 AM

Arghhhhhhhhh, Bill D! Couldn't you send some of it to Harpgirl so I don't have to take on the whole load?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 04:29 AM

Rapaire, not all of Alaska must be esp. warm this year. My neice in Fairbanks reports ice storms which have closed the roads, shops and schools as the trucks cannot keep up with it; as soon as they get them cleared the roads ice up, again. At least that was the way it was last week.:-) Uck!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 04:49 AM

YAY!

We got snow this morning in Wales, UK....

Doh, OK... not much, but we still got it - I fairly like snow, except when I nearly broke my neck in it 3 years ago. Compacted neck, and soft tissue injury on my shoulder and collar bone, meant I was very lucky... (Don't go toboganning on farmer feed bags).

Looking out my window at work from the 5th floor, the clouds are full of more snow... It's pretty cold, and I'm moving house tomorrow.....:-( Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)

Ella


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 09:04 AM

We have a heat wave! It was 24F when I left the house this morning. And I believe I actually saw some liquid water! Too cool. I may have to cancel my trip to California... NOT!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 10:20 AM

California, here he comes
Right back where he starte, oops, NOT!
**BG**

have fun, Naes!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: allanwill
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 12:37 PM

It's RAINING in Canberra - oh Lordy, Halelujah, it's RAINING in Canberra!

Allan


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 01:03 PM

I know what you mean, alinact...we had 4 year drought before this winter! Now we are facing flooding....guess I did that rain dance once too often!

(finished shoveling my porch roof yesterday, and 'almost' have the drive dug out, and they plowed our street just 2 hours ago ...now they are predicting 2 inches of rain for Friday night and Saturday...followed by re-freezing...)....we may have snow piles till July!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: allanwill
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 01:32 PM

Bill D

It would appear we have have done something recently to appease our weather god, but it seems most of them are in an extremely shitty mood at the moment.

Allan


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 01:43 PM

It's downright balmy here in the Toronto area. The sun is shining it's just above freezing, things are melting!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Burke
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 03:31 PM

Adding insult to injury, it seems the storm has been responsible for a Doughnut Shortage!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: 53
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 03:47 PM

haven't had any this year but a slight dusting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 03:47 PM

tsk!...will the pain & suffering never end?...(I hear you can get rides on the back of pickup trucks to obtain certain necessities of life...if you choose yer ride carefully...right, bobert?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Hrothgar
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 03:38 AM

We've been having steady, soaking, welcome rain and, God bless a sub-tropical climate, we don't get cold rain ......

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 04:17 AM

Don't you folks get it? The President said that we should be expecting a terrorist attack last weekend...and we got it! That storm was just a taste: Al Qaeda has now gained control of the weather. But don't worry, Tom Ridge has ordered the production of 347 billion yards of duct tape impregnated with calcium chloride. You just cover your house and driveway with it, and voila! another terrorist attack thwarted by the Department of Homebrew Insanity. (By the way, it works better if you're wearing panty hose.)

Aloha,
Mark

Oh, and speaking of the weather, [MESSAGE DELETED]
And because of the censorship paranoia going around, I feel obliged to report that all words above come from Comrade Dr. Cohen, including [message deleted].
-Joe Offer, grinning nervously-


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 10:37 AM

There was a time when you couldn't get me to California if you tied me to the bumper of a west bound bus. After this winter I am glad to go.

Congratulations on the rain in OZ. My last girlfriend used to recount her former Australian in-laws surprise at what we called a drought. Their idea of drought did not include any green at all. Here we were in "drought" conditions and things were still green.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 10:32 AM

It's probably not worth the trouble to refresh this old thread. It's not like it's gonna snow again in the Northeast. After all it was in the forties (F) yesterday...weird, me thinks I saw a snow flake...ahhhHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Charley Noble, Richmond, Maine


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 10:50 AM

Well, I'm getting sick of this winter weather. It's so cold in the mornings you have to wear a light jacket, and so warm in the afternoons you have to take it off!! The inconvenience of it is murder, I tell ya!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 12:25 PM

Portland has had a mid-winter thaw and I once again have a driveway instead of a skating rink. The ice damn i almost gone. The temp. was in the 40s yesterday. Today's sleet/snow is late in arriving. Hope that means all rain. I have my back door propped open so that the cats, who are suffering from cabin fever, can wander in and out. his has been a long, hard winter - just what I came to Maine for.

Irony - NYC has had a worse winter mainly because they have no place to shovel the snow. And they use garbage trucks as snow plows, adding the accumulation of street trash to the mix.

Actually, the arrival of a family of bald eagles in the pond behind my office has made this winter seem like nothing. I have stood 10' from a wild bald eagle - every day for a week. Life is good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 12:32 PM

SINS, south of you, the sky is currently falling. It looks a lot like s**w.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 12:44 PM

It's definitely springtime here in our part of Georgia right now. I'm getting a hankering to go hunting for Ramps. Anyone know if Ramps grow in Georgia?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Tweed
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 12:54 PM

I'm with you on this winter weather Amos. The wind shifted and is coming outta the south, blowing more balmy breezes up from the Caribbean. Just yesterday it was blowin' balmy breezes from the east.
I kin hear the wind chimes through the open sliders clanking away out there. The pool's still a frosty 75 so won't be doing much swimming today.
Another danged cloudless 84 degree day in paradise......

Yerz,
Tweed


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 06:16 PM

It was in the 50s for the past coupla days (a real change from last week's 10 below zero).

Now it's f#%*&#ing snowing again!!!!

I just walked home from my neighbor's up at the top of the hill and there was about 3" more on the ground than the dusting that had been there when I walked up to visit a coupla hours before. This was SUPPOSED to be rain and freezing rain, so maybe we lucked out, so to speak.

Sure is pretty, though. (Those two days in the 50s made the current crop of snow look pretty sad, if not downright ugly. I really hate black snow.)

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 06:58 PM

Tweezer and his stickman, Amos:

You all have yir fun while you can. When it's a hundred degrees in the shade this summer and a "balmy 80 degrees" here on the Blue Ridge, I'll be giving you two comics a lot of thought.

And... kiss my snowman...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 07:20 PM

First rain, then snow. There's about 4" out there now and still coming down. Cats are blaimng me. I'm blaming Jeri. Had to rain on my parade, didn't you? But I agree with Bat Goddess. Newly fallen white snow beats the muddy, icy, gray crap that has surrounded us for a month.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 07:23 PM

Update: It just tuned to hard driving sleet and hail. SIGH!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 07:36 PM

Yeah, SINSULL, I was just watching the Washington, D.C. news and with all the rain that has fallen today on top of the 2 feet of snow, lots of flat roofs are giving up the fight. A toy-R-Us and a Safeway grocery stores both had their roofs collapse.

Reckon I'd take the white stuff, my owns self...

So ya' think Jeri did this?

hmmmmm? Maybe...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 07:45 PM

It just took Tom (Curmudgeon) 2 1/2 hours to drive from York, Maine to Nottingham, NH -- a drive which usually takes about an hour. Besides being slow because of the 3+ inches of new snow and the weather turning to rain/freezing rain, there was an accident on Rte. 4 which took about an hour to get around.

Beginning to sound like sleet on the windows.

Really glad Tom's home.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 07:48 PM

That thought just passed through my mind too, Batty. I have a roof over my head, food on the table, music and good friends. I can tolerate sleet against the window panes for as long as I have to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 07:53 PM

Sinsull, if it had been my fault, I would have sent it ALL up there!


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Tinker
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 08:19 PM

We've had a solid day of rain here in Jersey. It's cut the snow piles in half, but considering how poorly they plowed the roads ( a lane and a half in many places) and the fact it's supposed to freeze back up tommorrow night, driving will remain an interseting experience for awhile.

Tinker


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 08:20 PM

You're nothing if not honest Jeri. How are the bead projects coming?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 08:32 PM

I'm still staring at the ones I bought on the 8th. I've started trying to weave seed beeds. (I can't SEE the tiny buggers, but I'm still trying.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 09:44 PM

AAAAAARRRGGGHHHHH

This is really shaping up into one helluva' mess! All the friggin' snow, then a bit of melt, then today we spend the day out in a gawwdamn thunderstorm, with lightning.......The state is getting flooding now, especially south, and we're getting some here.......But we just got back as the freezing rain started which is already changing to snow and they figure 3" by the AM......Flurries with high winds tomorrow followed by more snow tomorrow night and then colder temps............What a mess!!!! And we didn't even get that big of a melt yet.......the floods when it does are likely to be something fierce........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: maire-aine
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 10:00 PM

Up until now, we had missed the worst of it, but I'm stuck at home tonight. We've got about 4-5" on the ground now. I figure I'll have to run the snowblower (at least on the driveway) before I turn in tonight. Probably again in the morning before I go out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 10:07 PM

[MESSAGE DELETED AGAIN]

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 10:41 PM

durn, Mark...what DO you keep saying? (you aren't copying & pasting are you!!??...wow!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 03:26 AM

Mark has forgotten what winter looks like, so his remarks have been removed as superfluous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 06:56 AM

Geeziz Doc....You're really a pip, ya' know that?.............Do you realize that you have actually suckered several good folks in with that shit? I've run across this in two other threads......."Why are Mark's posts deleted?".........LOL........You're too much man!!! I am humbled...........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 07:15 AM

Spaw.... flood and fire... just what did you do to offend anyway ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 09:14 AM

Yeah Mark. I couldn't imagine what you had said to bring the wrath of the elves down upon you. Asked about it in the "Copy And Paste" thread. Those wiser than I filled me in. Good one...now knock it off!

We have rain, sleet, snow, etc. What should I do about a drain pipe that has lost the two bottom pieces in the ice and is swinging in the wind? Keep in mind I will have to go out in the ice storm and wade through three feet of snow/ice to get to it. My instincts say "Wait for spring".
M.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Alba
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 10:01 AM

Snow now ice and more ice here too. Although one bonus is all the birds on the feeders today including a Cardinal and his mate. The forcast is saying strong winds here tonight so that along with the ice should be interesting!!!! Maybe you should fix that hanging pipe Sinsull if you live in Maine or thereabouts or it could be a case of "gone with the wind" later!!. Iz startin to hate Winter and all that goes with it now, snow, ice and everything else it's throwing at us this year....*smile*......BRING ON SPRING ASAP........
Alba


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 10:30 AM

Dang. Clouds this morning. Must be down to 65 degrees out there!!! Brrrrr. Gets any worse, I'm-a-gonna move to Southern California!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Alba
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 10:49 AM

Thank you for sharing that Amos:>) Just what I wanted to hear......65 degrees...I vaguely remember what that felt like.........I think but it was so long ago now!!!!!!!!
Alba


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 10:51 AM

Sins... easiest, if you don't have anything else... duct tape it so that you have a tab of tape to screw to the wall and use a washer or make one of wood. Best is a metal strap, screwed to the wall on both sides of the downspout. At the least, remove the free piece(s) to avoid damage until it can be fixed properly.

Same stuff here this morning... snow, sleet, rain, snow, sleet, rain...


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 11:27 AM

SIns --

I wuz you, I'd yank the damn thing off, throw it into the garage until spring, and hightail back to the Franklin!! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 12:19 PM

Franklin? I came to Maine from NYC. It is a lot worse there today. Fortunately, I have duct tape...no plastic wrap. I figured, in the event of a nuclear strike I would tape my nose and mouth and go quickly and quietly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 12:38 PM

hmmmm... punch a hole near the free end, tie a rope onto it and then to a tree or whatever to stop it from beating on the house ?

hmmmm... wrap the free end with a towel and tie it tight so it won't beat up the house too bad ?

hmmmm... have another hot buttered and forget it ? Downspouts are as cheap as Turkey Turd Beer and a few scrapes can be easily touched up. Besides, wading through the crusty snow could catch you a cold or even sprain a ligament or worse. And what if noone notices you're laying in the snow, unable to claw your way back ? No sense in becoming a statistic. Caution is the better part of valour, I always say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Alice
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 12:58 PM

We have had a snowstorm for the last two days leaving deep fresh powder. The flakes have stopped this morning, but I have a long driveway that needs to be shoveled out. Here's what the town looks like:Click here


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 04:07 PM

Fixed the drainpipe.
Shovelled forty tons of wet slop.
Then shivered in a thunder storm.
Cold, raw, wet, and out of JD.
Maybe god is on their side?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 04:58 PM

Alice --- Nice town!

What's all that white stuff?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 05:14 PM

Ya' know, a nuclear attack would at least be warmer............

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 05:20 PM

warmer, 'spaw?...yes...but..."We will all fry together when we fry"...never had much charm for me.

(Alice....looks nice and quiet, not like Wash DC when it snows, which look more like a frenzied ant hill covered with powdered sugar)

(we had 2 days of rain here...now the news stories are of collapsing roofs!..)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 05:26 PM

Thanks, 'Spaw, high praise from a master.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 06:38 PM

Hope old Naemanson made it out from Portland on his way to LA today. Runway might have been dicy.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 07:26 PM

Aw, Joe, you went and spoiled it. But that's OK, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 07:43 PM

Well okay Bill.......I agree that wasn't totally humorous, but aren't you glad I didn't suggest we might all be a lot warmer at a Great White concert? Now that would have been completely tasteless!

Spaw--Completely Tasteless, although you can pick up a strong hint of garlic


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Yorkshire Tony
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 09:56 PM

We'll take all the snow you can spare - I much prefer it to drought and bushfires. The temperature has been pushing up towards 40C, that's over the 100 mark for you yanks.

We had a little bit of rain last week, so at least there is a bit of green showing through the blackened landscape around here and the temperature has been cooler - only high 20s (that's 80+ for the yanks).


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Alice
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 02:11 PM

Tony, we had -30 below zero farenheit last night, without the wind. The wind chill was more like -60. I would take more snow if it wouldn't get below zero again. We always have a few days of below zero temperatures in the winter, and you never know what month it could hit, anytime from October to March. Too cold, but it is sunny and sky is deep blue. Wish I could just stay inside where it's warm. It's about -4 now.

Alice


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 03:31 PM

Well, I'm here i Port Hueneme, California, for two weeks. Pretty cool. I mean that literally! It was 52 degrees F this morning when I went for my walk on the beach. And last night the rain came down in buckets!

Today I saw snow! It was way off in the distance, on top of some mountains. I am NOT going to visit it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: MMario
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 03:45 PM

gone native real fast, ain't he?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 07:28 PM

Sinsull tells me it's 0F back home.

Aaahhhh....


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 08:27 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 25 Feb 03 - 08:30 PM

We got tricked last week. It warmed up, things were thawing. We got freezing rain followed by snow on the weekend. They're saying -22 c tonight. I won't even start about trying to get my car out of the snow drift yesterday. Once, again, I too, have had enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: *daylia*
Date: 27 Feb 03 - 12:19 PM

Well even tho I do like snow, I've had about enough of it now too Steve. The drifts at my back door are about 4 feet high, and the banks on either side of my driveway have become cliffs so high I've no choice but to call the local plow-guy (at $20-30 a crack - only the first one was free *sniff*).

But hating snow? Hmmmmmmm ... according to this Canadian Weathernetwork story I heard last week it can be a little counter-productive:

Apparently a snow-sick Canuck got extremely frustrated with his City Council's refusal to order the plows to stop dumping their excess snow on his property. So after last week's major snowfall, he loaded the latest mountain they'd "gifted" him with onto a truck and dumped it on the Councillor's front lawn.

The Councillor got so upset at the sight of all that snow that he flew into a rage, burst out the front door and started trying to punch the guy's lights out! He now faces several criminal charges (the councillor, not the guy who dumped the snow).

At the time the story really tickled my funny-bone, but at this point I'm hoping my sense of humour will last till spring - and that's only 3 weeks away!!! (hopefully)

Cheers - daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 28 Feb 03 - 11:53 AM

Still no snow at Port Hueneme but I heard they got another 14" of the stuff back home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:52 PM

Will you guys hate me when I tell you that I spent Sunday afternoon with Amos? It wasn't all peaches and cream. I got a sunburn!

But I had a great time playing music in the park. Green grass is the best and so were some of the young ladies who sprawled on it while they listened to us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:59 PM

Well, after another 6 inches over the weekend and yet another shoveling out of paths to the birdfeeders and the driveway, the forcast is for temps around 50F during the day so the 18 or so inches of snow that still remain should shrink this week...

Hooray...

Maybe I can get to my studion by the weekend and check it out. Ain't seen it in a month...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:20 PM

And let me add, yon Naemanson really added a wonderful chemistry to our gang, and we voted to elect him an honorary member of the Sunshine River Boys Park Band....

Sorry about the sunburn, Brett!! Shoulda realized you'd be paler than a cod belly after all those month under the snow!!

Thanks so much for your wonderful voice -- it was a treat!!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST,bbc at work
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 11:56 AM

The only consolation this winter, for me, is that, last winter, I bought an expensive top-of-the-line Honda snowblower w/ treads & then only got one 6-inch snowfall. This winter, it has been useful, to say the least! On my 50th birthday, Spring is s'posed to rejoin us. Looking forward to that, bigtime!!!

best,

bbc


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 03:52 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 07:22 AM

Monday was the coldest March 3rd on record for Southern Ontario. I am on my way out the door to shovel snow, they say about 25 centimetres by the time it stops. I've had enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: *daylia*
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 12:31 PM

Another 20 cm fell last night. ENOUGH ALREADY, Y'HEAR UP THERE?!?!!

Hey maybe if I got really hateful and hot under the collar it'd melt the darn stuff! It's just not pretty anymore somehow *sniff sniff*

Heave ho - daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 03:12 PM

*sniff* I have to go home in three more days! I'll be flying into Portland on Saturday night. Can't you guys get rid of that stuff before then?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 08:44 PM

Snow on Sunday, Brett. Sorry. I slipped twice tonight - once at the office, once at home. Didn't fall but almost. Welcome back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 05 Mar 03 - 08:59 PM

Snow? What's that? There's lots of soft light colored stuff in front of the hotel but it's beach sand.

But I have to leave all this behind. Amos, can you find me a job down there in San Diego?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: bbc
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 09:49 AM

Boy, more of the stuff! Yesterday, I had a one-hour delay on the way to work because a hill 10 minutes from my school was a sheet of ice. Everyone just pulled over & waited for something to change. Thankfully, the temp had gone up enough in 1 hour that we could go on. This morning, we have a forecast for 2-6 inches dribbled out all through the day. Thankfully, most districts just threw up their hands in dispair & closed. Yay!!! Spring by March 20th--please!!!

bbc


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 10:26 AM

Well, Brett, don't say I didn't warn ya!

Seriously, there's a lot of Navy work in this town, and if you want to send me a resume I will see what I can do, if you're serious!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 02:35 PM

That's OK Amos. My goal is Europe. Though, if that doesn't pan out maybe San Diego would be in the cards. I do have a resume on line for Pacific Division. I was thinking I might try life on a South Pacific Island for a while.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Mar 03 - 03:03 PM

Oooohhhhh... sand... I'm jealous.

We had all of the windows open all night last night, and we had the ceiling fan going in the bedroom. I think that's a first for me this early in March.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: curmudgeon
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 11:25 AM

It snowed again yesterday; not a lot, just enough to cover the ice I slipped on while emptying the cat box. Really bunged up my leg, enough to require a cane. Have to have Linn do the driving as I don't think I can work the clutch on my car. But, supposed to be in the low 40s tomorow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 12:49 PM

Ouch, Tom, I know what you are going through. I hope you are doing better soon.

I screwed up my leg shortly after I got here and I haven't been comfortable for the last two weeks. It hasn't been all beer and skittles out here in California.

Of course, I didn't slip on the ice. I was coming back from my first walk on the beach when I hit an irregulaity in the pavement and rolled my right ankle and twisted my left knee.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Mar 03 - 11:54 PM

Has the makings of a new shanty, Brett. When will we hear it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Mar 03 - 12:07 AM

Sunny, with a high of 77 today in Fort Worth; supposed to be like this again tomorrow and not quite as warm on Sunday (~74). Finally, a chance to get out and do some yard work! A week ago we were digging out from under inches of ice. Go figure--winter in Texas.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Amos
Date: 08 Mar 03 - 11:28 PM

Welcome back to Whitelandia, Brett!! Donde esta su camion? Porque hacen-tu fria? No esta un Esquimada? :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Mar 03 - 10:48 AM

Well, I certainly hope Brett appreciates the fine welcome we set up for him on the front steps of our apartment building. We poured several buckets of water down the steps and walkway, forming a miniature glacier.

Of course, last night it was in the 30's so it probably melted.

Brett did arrive back home, seeing lights on in his apartment when we pulled in from the Press Room shanty swap, but it was really too late to pound on his door.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: GUEST,The O'Meara
Date: 10 Mar 03 - 11:59 AM

You people who complain about snow and cold should thank your lucky stars! Think how much worse it would be if it weren't for global warming!

Lived in Wyoming for 20 yrs. The snow never melts there, it just blows back and forth across the prarie and wears out sometime in late June.

Spent my teen years in Minnesota and spent 20 years in Wyo. It's still a novelty to see snow fall vertically here in Colo.

I have discovered the "IT's Never Been.." syndrome. Examples: Went for a drive across Canada, visited Moose Factory Island in James Bay of Hudson's Bay, just to say I'd been there. It was a touch over 100 degrees F. Local folks said "It's never been this hot..." Came back through Maine, it was 104 F. in Presque Isle. "It's never been..." Last fall, went to visit Minn, in Oct, to see the fall colors and experience the warm autumn days of Indian summer. The fall colors were an occasional brown leaf flashing by amid the horizontal snowflakes. No wonder so many people distrust Native Americans. #rd coldest Oct on record, "It's never been..." Went to Fla in Jan. this year to get away from the cold. Folks said "It's never been this cold for this long..."

O'Meara


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Mar 03 - 09:35 PM

You know it's been a brutal winter when your cousin's ten-year-old greets the news "Yes it's another snow day" with a whine and "Not AGAIN?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Mar 03 - 09:40 PM

Amen, Sinsull. This winter has been unreal. And the almanac is callin' fir the "Biggie" in March. If it happens, as God as my witness, I'll find the person who wrote the danged almanac and plummel him or her with snowballs. I swear it!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Mar 03 - 09:44 PM

Here in Fort Worth it is more than past time to start puttin in the garden. The cold weather stuff, beans and onions, need to go in. But the weather just hasn't felt like "digging up the garden" weather. It has to be sunny, with a slight breeze, and by the time you put down the spade fork (or turn off the Rototiller) it's in the high 60s or low 70s. I'm dying to get out in the yard, but not the way it has been lately.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 11 Mar 03 - 05:28 AM

Well, I've never seen cold like this in March. -18C again this morning and it's forecast to be like that most of the week, with few highs near 0C. I checked with Environment Canada and the normal low and high are -8 and +2. The maple slurpup is going to be running awfully slow, if at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Mar 03 - 11:39 AM

I always thought that Hank was a great singer even if he was a Canadian.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 03:44 PM

So, here we are, in mid March, the ugliest time of the winter. The roads are bordered by melting snowbanks in every shade of grey and black. The trash that has lain hidden under a mantle of white now appears and pollutes the landscape. Pools of muddy water form during the day and freeze into treacherous patches of ice after dark.

Now is the time when another inch of snow would improve the looks of the area and, sure enough, last night we got just that! We are so fortunate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:06 PM

Was that sarcasm???? The eagles are back. I guess the river is frozen again further north so at least the cold brought something good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:33 PM

Bobert! The ramps should be coming up right about now where you are. Are you going to be having any ramps this year? (If so, I'm jealous.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:42 PM

Well, danged, CarolC! What are "ramps". Maybe I know them by another name.

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:50 PM

Well heck Bobert! Ramps is ramps!

The only other common name in my Newcombs Wildflower Guide is Wild Leek. It grows on hillsides with rich, moist, humus soil. Maybe it doesn't grow down in the foothills where you are ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 05:51 PM

(P.S. You fry them up with a mess of potatoes and scrambled eggs. mmmmm RAMPS mmmmmm )


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 07:58 PM

CarolC:

Okay, I found 'em in my North Carolina Wildflower book (William Justice and Ritchie Bell); "Allium Trioccum" or "Noddong Onion. Nope, never saw the plant in my life.

But it won't be long before we have "snow drops", and "tooth wart", then the wild flower show begins. I have an area in the woods where it is both shady and moist and I get thousands of "May Apples" and "Jack-in-the-Pulpits". But I also have "Shooting Star", "Twinleaf" (very rare that I found up near Maryland on the banks of the Potomac), "Dutchman's Britches", "Larksspur", "Fairy Wand", "Trillium", "Blood Root", "Spring Beauty", "Black Kohosh", "Larkspur", native "Maiden Hair Ferns".... Oh, I get excited thinking about it...

Ahh, I understand that these "ramps" is a tad smelly but 'sposed to be good, according to thre P-Vine, when cooked...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 08:07 PM

Oh yeahhhhh...

If you ever get over to Mineral County and points west around this time of year, get yourself to one of the local ramp dinners that they have at the town fire halls. Definitely worth the effort.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Mar 03 - 09:12 PM

Ahhhh, jus' to keep the thread on track, yeah, sure beats shovelin' snow, CarolC!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 15 Mar 03 - 05:25 PM

"Ramps" rings a bell from somewhere in my past. Where else might that term be applied to wild food?

Yeah, Sins, that was sarcasm. With luck and warm weather the snow will be gone by tax day. I've got my fingers crossed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 03 - 11:59 AM

Well danged! Here we go again. Just yesterday I was out working in gardens wuth just a tee shirt. Yeah, some of the native azaleas were satrting to bloom, the blood root bloomin, crocuses blooming, linten roses, ect...

And now its snowin'! Yeap been snowin' all mornin' and they're calling for 6 inches and temps in the mid 20's tonight. We've been out covering as much as we can but, danged, ain't this like insultin'!

Have I mentioned anywhere that I detest this stuff. If not, I do...

Grrrrrrrrrrr.....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: bbc
Date: 30 Mar 03 - 07:51 PM

Yup, here in New York, the maple buds are showing red & the forsythia, yellow, & we are forecast to get 4-6 inches overnight. Enough already!!!

bbc


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: gnu
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 05:03 AM

Yup... saw my first robin a day or so ago and we've wakened to 6mm of ice on the tree branches and snow expected this afternoon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Naemanson
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 09:53 AM

My daughters in Pennsylvania and Virginia were each seeing snow when I spoke with them on Sunday. Today is's snowing here in Maine. The timing is perfect. I am supposed to interview for the job on Guam this afternoon. It will be hard to keep things in perspective when they are sitting on a tropical island and I am here watching the snow fly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Iz Startin' to Hate Snow
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 31 Mar 03 - 10:01 AM

For almost 2 weeks we've had temperatures in the 50s and up to the low 60s, massive melting (new seasonal swimming pool in the cellar), snow drops, lots of mud, bare knees on joggers, etcet etcet.

Woke up to snow this morning. Not a lot, just about an inch and still spitting. AND it's cold AND it's windy.

AND I no longer have a sense of humor about it.

Grrrr (weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth),
Linn


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