mudcat.org: Help: Jug of Punch query-Kerry Pippin?
Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafeawe

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Help: Jug of Punch query-Kerry Pippin?

DigiTrad:
JUG OF PUNCH
JUG OF PUNCH 2


Related threads:
Tune/Origins: Jug of Punch (24)
happy? - June 23 (song he sang was Jug of Punch) (1)


Ian HP 27 Jun 98 - 08:00 AM
Brian Hoskin 27 Jun 98 - 09:05 AM
Jon W. 27 Jun 98 - 12:15 PM
Bruce O. 27 Jun 98 - 12:47 PM
Ian HP 27 Jun 98 - 05:25 PM
28 Jun 98 - 10:07 PM
Martin Ryan. 29 Jun 98 - 03:01 PM
alison 30 Jun 98 - 09:17 PM
Martin Pearson 30 Jun 98 - 10:09 PM
alison 01 Jul 98 - 02:26 AM
Alan of Australia 01 Jul 98 - 04:46 AM
Ted from Australia 01 Jul 98 - 10:06 AM
Mr Happy 28 Feb 06 - 06:26 PM
Mr Happy 28 Feb 06 - 06:33 PM
Anonny Mouse 28 Feb 06 - 06:36 PM
Mr Happy 28 Feb 06 - 06:48 PM
GUEST,Q as guest 28 Feb 06 - 08:27 PM
Geoff the Duck 01 Mar 06 - 06:03 AM
Snuffy 01 Mar 06 - 09:23 AM
Purple Foxx 01 Mar 06 - 09:27 AM
Snuffy 01 Mar 06 - 10:01 AM
PoohBear 01 Mar 06 - 02:23 PM
Susanne (skw) 01 Mar 06 - 05:46 PM
Ron Davies 02 Mar 06 - 10:17 PM
Nigel Parsons 03 Mar 06 - 01:41 PM
Mr Happy 03 Mar 06 - 10:05 PM
Big Al Whittle 04 Mar 06 - 08:12 AM
GUEST,J C 04 Mar 06 - 09:10 AM
GUEST,Duncan Campbell 27 May 07 - 05:45 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 May 07 - 01:46 PM
Gulliver 28 May 07 - 02:34 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 28 May 07 - 02:45 PM
IanC 29 May 07 - 08:40 AM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:




Subject: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Ian HP
Date: 27 Jun 98 - 08:00 AM

In the McPeake's singing of Jug of Punch, one verse refers to "a cairie pippin [probably incorrect spelling!] to crack and crunch". What is - what sounds like - "cairie pippin"? (And what is the correct spelling?)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Brian Hoskin
Date: 27 Jun 98 - 09:05 AM

A pippin is an apple - there are numerous varieties of these. I haven't actually heard of this particular variety, but I'm sure someone else has?

Brian


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Jon W.
Date: 27 Jun 98 - 12:15 PM

Could it be Kerry pippin? I.E. an apple from Co. Kerry?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Bruce O.
Date: 27 Jun 98 - 12:47 PM

Correct above. Peter Kennedy in his notes to #278 in 'Folksongs of Britain and Ireland' gives Frank McPeake's version of the song and the line is: With a kerry pipin to crack and crunch.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Ian HP
Date: 27 Jun 98 - 05:25 PM

Ah! So THAT'S it! Thanks a million!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From:
Date: 28 Jun 98 - 10:07 PM

Do they grow apples in County Kerry? I thought it referred to a young roast pigeon or some such thing (a young ckicken is sometimes referred to as pippin) It just seems odd that: A. he would eat an apple with an alcoholic drink B. He would "crack" an apple.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Martin Ryan.
Date: 29 Jun 98 - 03:01 PM

What's the full verse? Its not in the DT version - and I have no recollection of the phrase. Don't have quick access to Kennedy's book, either!

Regards


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: alison
Date: 30 Jun 98 - 09:17 PM

Hi,

Here you go Martin,

what more diversion can a man desire?
Than to court a girl by a neat turf fire,
a Kerry pippin and the crack and crunch
And on the table a jug of punch
Too ra loo ra loo........

I reckon it's an apple. (like a Cox's Orange Pippin) I assume tere's one called a Kerry Pippin. In answer to the earlier question we do grow apples in Ireland.

slainte

alison


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Martin Pearson
Date: 30 Jun 98 - 10:09 PM

I,ve got to say it's still a strange list of desires for your average drinking being. A fire (cool) a desirable companion (phwor!) a jug of alcoholic beverage (hurray) and.... an apple?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: alison
Date: 01 Jul 98 - 02:26 AM

Hi,

The "crack" may have nothing to do with the ?"apple", being an Irish way of describing good fun.....

Maybe he's just trying to keep healthy, "an apple a day....." and all that...

Mind you I have to agree with Martin, given the above combination the last thing I'd be wanting would be an apple...

Slainte

Alison


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 01 Jul 98 - 04:46 AM

On the other hand, how good is the cider you might get from Kerry Pippins?

Cheers,
Alan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Ted from Australia
Date: 01 Jul 98 - 10:06 AM

Martin, is that you? NQ etc? reply to ed42@4kz.com.au Regards Ted


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Mr Happy
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 06:26 PM

The last verse in the DT version varies by one line with the one sung around my locality

And when I'm dead and in my grave
No costly tombstone will I have,
*I'll dig a grave both wide and deep*
With a jug of punch at my head and feet.


it goes:

And when I'm dead and in my grave
No costly tombstone will I have,
*Just lay me down in my native peat*
With a jug of punch at my head and feet.

I feel this may be the original line, as 'peat' rhymes with 'feet', whereas 'deep' doesn't.

Also the DT verse doesn't make any sense,

'And when I'm dead and in my grave' followed by 'I'll dig a grave both wide and deep'!


How does one achieve this??


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Mr Happy
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 06:33 PM

I also half remember another verse not included in DT version, something like 'even the cripple forgets his hunch'.

Anyone know how it goes?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Anonny Mouse
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 06:36 PM

You might try listening to the rather quintessential version of this soloed on by one David D. Guard of the Kingston Trio on the "Make Way" CD/album. Too-A-loora-lu-toora-a-loora-li......


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Mr Happy
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 06:48 PM

The line 'No costly tombstone will I have' is usually sung:

'No costly tombstone will I crave' - which makes a better rhyme with 'grave'


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: GUEST,Q as guest
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 08:27 PM

Many variations to "Jug of Punch," no way to tell which is the oldest surviving verse with those sentiments. Many old versions lack it altogether.

From The Bodleian Library, pointed out by Nutty some time ago:

O, when I'm dead and laid in the moul,
Oh, it's on my grave put a flowing bowl,
And every one as they pass by
They may drink a glass to my memory.

The native peat version was posted by Nigel as Welsh. Many DT versions could be improved.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 06:03 AM

Kerry Pippin appled described on this web page BLICKY.
You have to scroll down about half a mile to get there....
Quack!
GtD.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: Snuffy
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 09:23 AM

Mr Happy,
The Spinners (I think) sang something like

The learnèd doctor with all his art
Can't cure the ?????? that's in my heart
Even the cripple forgets his hunch
When he's safe outside of a jug of punch


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 09:27 AM

"Can't cure the impression thats on the heart" in the version I know


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: Snuffy
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 10:01 AM

Thanks PF. impression? depression? something like that, anyway.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: PoohBear
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 02:23 PM

The lyric as I hear it on one recording is:
"even a cripple forgets his crutch"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 05:46 PM

I've always heard it as 'can't cure depression that's on the heart'.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 10:17 PM

I'm sure everybody has his or her version of the doctor verse. My folk-processed version--probably from the Clancy Brothers a few eons ago-- goes:

Let the doctors come with all their art
They'll make no impression upon my heart.
Even the cripple forgets his hunch
When he's snug outside of a jug of punch.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: JUG OF PUNCH
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 01:41 PM

No real clarification, as this is from a (relatively) modern songbook. The Bangor (N.Wales) Scout & Guide Club songbook (my copy March 1970). But it gives a couple of the variations seen above, and notes the fruit as "A Cherry Pippin".for the source, the song is annotated "by permission of Essex Music Group"

JUG OF PUNCH.

As I was sittin' with jug and spoon,

On one fine morn in the month of June,

A birdie sang on an ivy bunch,

And the song he sang was a lug of punch.

Chorus:
Tu-ra-lu-ralu, (3 times)
(repeat last two lines of verse).

What more diversion can a man desire,
Than to court his girl by an open fire,
A cherry pippin to crack and crunch,
Aye and on the table a jug of punch.

Even the doctors with all their art,
Cannot cure depression of the heart,
Even the cripple forgets his hunch,
When he's safe outside a jug of punch.

The immortal Gods drink their nectar fine,
And the quality folk drink their claret wine,
I'd give them every grape in the bunch,
Just for a sip from a jug of punch.

And when I'm dead and in my grave,
No costly tombstone shall I crave,
Just lay me down in my native peat,
With a jug of punch at my head and feet.


Nice little song book, no music, but the first verse always double spaced so you can add guitar tabs etc.

CHEERS

Nigel


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: Mr Happy
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 10:05 PM

also heard sung.........'just lay me down with my Native Pete'!!!!!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 08:12 AM

do they drink punch in Ireland a lot then? They don't drink it much over here.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Jug of Punch Query
From: GUEST,J C
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 09:10 AM

As a footnote, an atheist friend of mine used to sing
What more diversion can a man desire
Than to roast a priest on an open fire.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: GUEST,Duncan Campbell
Date: 27 May 07 - 05:45 PM

PIPPIN

obsolete or dialect:
The seed or pip of a fruit.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 07 - 01:46 PM

Of course the Kerry Pippin might also be another way of referring to the girl...


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Gulliver
Date: 28 May 07 - 02:34 PM

do they drink punch in Ireland a lot then? They don't drink it much over here.

If its mention in old songs is anything to go by, it must have been very popular. I assume it was whiskey, hot water, cloves, sugar and lemon. Still very popular here on a cold day or if one is suffering from a cold or flu.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: JUG OF PUNCH QUERY
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 May 07 - 02:45 PM

The version I learned from me grandfather in County Cork was as follows:-

The noble doctors with all their art,
Can't cure the impression on an aching heart,
Even the cripple forgets his hunch,
when he's snug outside of a jug of punch.

This is the same as the Clancys and Tommy Makem version, an LP which I still have.

Don T.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Kerry Pippins
From: IanC
Date: 29 May 07 - 08:40 AM

Kerry Pippin (orig. grown in Co. Kerry) was a variety of apple very popular in Victorian England, and still grown here and there in East Anglia (and prob. other parts). It was probably also grown extensively in Ireland to, I presume, but it was well known in and around London.

:-)
Ian


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 3 June 8:48 AM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.