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Subject: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 02:21 PM

You asked for it. You got it.

- LH

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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 02:23 PM

Dutch Chocolate. Tulips, etc. What have you done for them?


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Gareth
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 02:30 PM

Gave us Tulips and Hamsterjam. (Specially 4 U John)

Enabled King Charles II and Samual Pepys to write off much of the Navys financial defecite and fiddles at Chatham.

The South African variety prooved that wearing a Redcoat in battle was not a wise thing to do.

Invented floatable footwhere (Clogs)

Sold New York to us Brits.

Proved it was possible to keep a Dyke intact with their finger.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 02:30 PM

Van gogh
relaxed attitude to certain things
Rembrandt
judging by the Friesian language, they probably invented English.
Black and white cows
Sprinkling bits of chocolate on toast for breakfast
Amazing Art Deco bath-house in Amsterdam where you can sit without any clothes on eating chocoalate cake and read the Guardian
Excellent beer
Excellent pubs
Tht humourous admiral who sailed up thw Thames with a broom tied to his mast
the only county where I've ever cycled with pleasure(I really dont like going up hill)
Dutch barges
courage
going
caps
my old


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 02:34 PM

What have I done for them? Well, I've bought some of their products from time to time. That's about it.

My countrymen helped liberate them in 1944-45.

That bathhouse sounds pretty neat...

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 02:38 PM

I'm still thinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 02:54 PM

The Netherlands is a wonderful place, with genuinely friendly, helpful people.The gave us Genver (Dutch gin) They gave us good cigars! Some wonderfully strong beers. They gave the UK the insight into canal construction and land drainage enabling us to recliam East Anglia and Lincolnshire from the swamps using their engineers and skills.

Unfortunately they also gave the world the word apartheit, and concentration camps, invented in the Boer war. But, they gave the US many immigrants and the pilgrim fathers who came to England first before setting off to America.They gave us the Dutch East Indies company and also had a massive input into the slave trade-probabbly saving Britain from becoming so involved.But this is much to their shame.They gave us songs written about Van Deimans land But, unfortuately, they gave the UK King Billy of Orange, whose legacy still lives on!!!!!

They let us visit their brown cafe's (if you have a mind) and show us that tolerance is quite a good thing with their sense of liberty and freedom. They give us the worlds biggest outdoor rave (if you want to go!!)

The best and safest place in the world for cycling.Kicked Spain's butt good and hard in the 16/17th? century

And they are giving us next years Euro gathering!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Bert
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:00 PM

Simon Stevin. He invented decimal fractions and his work directly influenced the development of calculus.

Edam and Gouda cheeses.
Land reclamation.
Canvey Island.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:02 PM

It's a bit unfair blaming the South African Dutch for the concentration camps in the Boer War.These were set up by the British, and the Boers were the people inside.

Eating chocolate cake and reading the Guardian in the nude? Sounds very messy. You need two hands for the Guardian, so it sounds a bit complicated too.

They've got some good music, but they tend not appreciate it or play it much.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Mad4Mud
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:04 PM

If we were having a gray rainy day my Dad would look up in the sky and say, "The rain will stop if there's enough blue to mend a Dutchman's breeches."


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:10 PM

If you dont think much of King Billy of Orange, what are you going to say about the Stuarts that he was very sensibly drafted in to replace?


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:13 PM

DON'T LIKE ANY ROYALS SINCE HAROLD GODWINSON!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:15 PM

Hey McGrath-it is their fault-they were there-or we wouldn't have had to invent them !!!!!!!! (tongue in cheek of course)


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:16 PM

And they don't like the French!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: mg
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:37 PM

have you never had Dutch baby pancakes?

Hans Brinker..oh, ice skates???

did someone say windmills?

they gave us our American accents. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: MMario
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:42 PM

don't forget Dutch doors and Dutch Barns. Not to mention the Dutch Date


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: GUEST,friendly guest
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 03:51 PM

Dutch treat
Double Dutch jumping rope games


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 04:06 PM

Corrie Ten Boom and her book The Hiding Place and her incredible spirit.

Their absolute passion for the arts and funding. I don't know if this is still intact, but I do know an American artist who was well supported, as a resident of there, on a government plan. When my brother was there they fell all over themselves to be kind, enthusiastic, and welcoming just because he said he was a composer. They told him to come back if the US didn't recognise his talent!

Just saw a program which chronicled their cutting edge technolgies in claiming land from the sea and making it arable.

A genuine interest in being environmentally conscious...more bicycles than cars, thousands of bikes parked in the city and for rent. It was fascinating!


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: PeteBoom
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 04:07 PM

They introduced the African slave trade in North America.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: denise:^)
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 04:27 PM

Hey, didn't they give us some really good cleanser? ;^)

(hmmm...some might not get it...don't know if Old Dutch cleanser was a product in any country other than the US...)


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: M.Ted
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 04:51 PM

Panekoeken, cookies, and many whole grain breakfast cereals--They also put some of us up after the Edict of Nantes was revoked--

Their society sets an example for patient tolerance of those who have
differing tastes, cultures, or life styles(though we tend to misconstrue their tolerance for acceptance or even endorsement)--

Also we have to appreciate their excellent English diction, even if when it accompanies a less than perfect understanding of the language itself--the classic example being the Dutch party guest who, when asked what she did for a living, replied with a perfectly straight face, "I fuck sheep." (Apparently, this word is a perfectly respectable Dutch word that means "breed")--


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 04:56 PM

Dykes!


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Kim C
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 05:06 PM

Well.... my gggggggrandfather Jacob Van Meter was descended from some Dutch folks who came to New Amsterdam in the 1600s. Granddaddy was a Revolutionary War hero, and one of the founding fathers or Elizabethtown, KY. He's buried in the city cemetery there.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: GUEST,John Gray in Oz.
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 05:20 PM

In 1891 a certain Dr. Scholl was on a sales campaign across The Netherlands. Over from Hoboken, he was attempting to get the good millers interested in his new range of "Lick & Stick" adhesive pads for repairing the holes in the sails of the windmills.
Unfortunately, due to poor research by his R&D dept. back in Hoboken ( the wife ), the Dr. was unaware that the millers rubbed oil into the sail material and hence the pads failed to adhere.And this leads to an aside on a little known industry there.
The millers use herring oil because of its log-term weatherproof capabilities. And its not your everyday herring oil.
No, they set aside the mature male herrings and highly trained staff milk the oil from a hidden gland.

Anyway, slinking home to Hoboken broken there was enough of the entrepreneur left in the Dr. to notice all these Dutchmen sitting on benches, outside pubs, with their wooden shoes off and rubbing calloused feet.
An industry was born, the Dutch created another American millionaire.

JG/FME


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 08:25 PM

King Billy and Dutch elm diesease as well


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 08:34 PM

I put up earlier what I like about the place.What I seriously dislike about them is they are very tall, fit, good looking, and good at languages. I am none of these things.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: khandu
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 08:45 PM

How soon we forget!...

In March, 2002, I finally mustered the guts to offer an expose on these devils, in hope of enlightening my fellow Mudcatters and the rest of the world of the evils of the Dutch. Click for a refresher course!

I mistakenly thought that someone actually heard me, but as I see in this thread, no one listened. No wonder I have not yet been nominated as Time's "Man of the Year"!

Wake up, America! Heed the voice of khandu!


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 15 Nov 02 - 10:07 PM

Besides give you 1/16th of ME? Heironymous Bosch. (someone beat me to Gouda.)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: GUEST,Anton Philips
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 10:46 AM

And art/painting is not only Bosch, Rembrandt and Van Gogh, don't forget Mondriaan, Escher & Vermeer!

and Mata Hari, Apartheid, Cruyff, and Philips invented the cd !


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 10:57 AM

Dog Troep theatre company


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Wotcha
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 01:23 PM

Revived or gave a career to Barry Foster in the 1970s crime show "Van Der Walk" (or something along those lines): the crime fighter drank Stell Artois ... which I believe is Belgian beer. So, if you count the Flemish population of Belgium, the Dutch also gave us Vlaams (Flemish), fine chocolates, great art (Reubens et al in Antwerpen), a third way of spelling proper nouns in Belgium (there are signs in Vlaams/French and German which can be very different ... Luik versus Liege). Perhaps one place in the world where orange is an acceptable color for daily clothing or cars. Oh my God, the ... DAF ... Maybe even the Dutch Cap ... Gouda cheese. When not producing engineers, Delft pottery. The also helped to clear the fens in the UK ... Ice skating?



Cheers,
Brian


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: John P
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 01:26 PM

Produced me.

John Peekstok


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Wotcha
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 01:32 PM

Let's not forget the inspiration for one of the most widely known sea chanteys The Maid of Amstersdam ... and the Boer folk song Sarie Marais.

Cheers,

Brian


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 03:35 PM

Just to second everything Greg Stephens said and to add on a historical note that if the Brits had heeded the Dutch Resistance's intelligence during the battle of Arnhem, they may well have been able to cut their losses.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Fingerbuster
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 03:44 PM

Roadside filling stations where one can get tasty cup of coffee, a bite to eat - for a reasonable price. Not to mention civility!
Unlike the charlatans "Moto" "Granada" "First" etc, in Britain.
To my utter and absolute despair Mc Dungnald's seem to be getting in on it now too.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 03:57 PM

Bloody hell! Go to sleep for a few moments and all this happens.
All the good stuff's been said, so while I have another nap, how about those bloody Eyeties?
And don't go on about Gina bloody Lolabrigida for page after page;-)

The Maffia
Asti Spew Manti
The Romans (what have they ever done for us?)
Tanks with 1 forward gear and 8 reverse
Gina Lollobrigida (figure if I spell it twice, one might be right)

The Flying Dutchman
         (how did he get back here?)


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 04:02 PM

The best line from the latest Austin Powers Movie can be atributed to their eistence. I paraphrase here .....
"There are two things I can not abide. Those who do not respect the cultural traditions of others.... and the Dutch"


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 04:12 PM

Deid Cuddy! Whaur hae ye bin, ah thocht ye'd gone tae Queenborough ne'er tae returrrrrrrn.

Giok

The Isle of Sheppey, that septic isle.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Wotcha
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 05:29 PM

The Dutch have visited a special kind of hell on the Germans (repaid them?) with slow moving caravans in the fast lane during holidays (sorta like Canadians in Florida...).

Cheers,

Brian


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 06:14 PM

I should just add that they speak good English and they are good at football. They are alright by me.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Deda
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 10:01 PM

They gave the world Henriette Roosenburg, a WW2 agent and a true heroine, who wrote a book called The Walls Came Tumbling Down

When I read this book, I came away thinking that in my next life, if the world has survived, I wouldn't mind coming from Holland, if it could turn out someone like her.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 10:29 PM

Well, there are any number of places in the world where you can stand on a moutain and watch a plane flying past below you, but the Dutch provide us with about the only place where you can stand and watch a ship sailing past above you.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 10:37 PM

khandu - You are clearly an unheralded genius...or a madman. There is DEFINITELY a place for you on the board of the WSSBA.

I reprint below the shocking revelations about the Dutch, revelations which we would have no knowledge of if not for khandu...

THE DUTCH CONSPIRACY FILES:

No No No! It is a conspiracy but not for the reasons suggested. The deaths were orchestrated by the Dutch! Yes! The Dutch! "Why?" you ask. For diversion!
Every year the Dutch push the dikes out a wee bit farther, given them more land. But where does the water go? Yes! It rises higher upon our shores and the shores of every place on Earth! We are getting smaller, while the Dutch are growing larger. Eventually, their land will be the size of North America! Sure, it will take forever, but the Dutch are very patient and long-suffering, as well as long-sighted!

To sway attention from their diabolical activity, they create diversions throughout the world! They were the ones responsible for the fill in the blank!And they did it to draw attention from themselves!

Maybe NOW I will finally be considered for "Man of the Year"!

khandu


My God -your right -it is the Dutch!!! You only have to look at the East Coast of England to realise that coastal erosion is allowing our soil to be swept across the North Sea . Its making Rotterdam enormous!!! (I shall begin to take counter measures -I will never wear orange in public and ban Edam cheese from my household- fight back England - the enemy is amongst us!!!!

Living on the East coast of England and having observed the erosion, I have to agree with the Dutch conspiracy theory. Like Linda, I need to take action but the problem is I never wear orange in public and hate Edam cheese already... maybe I should behead any tulip that shows its face in the garden I guess they may be Dutch spies...
Jon


Nope. Khandu's right. It WAS the Dutch. I can see it clearly now. Their evil plan has been right there all along, encoded in "The Low Low Lands Of Holland" (my television sends me messages too).

When the "press gang" comes to take away the new husband, what he doesn't realise is that they are not British but DUTCH, and have come to carry him off to the low low lands of Holland so they can draft him into fighting on THEIR side: the "enemy" is his own people. How diabolical! Gives new meaning to the old saying "We have met the enemy and he is us."


khandu, I think you definitely get my vote for "Man of the Year". And I think you deserve a Nobel Prize or something, too. How ever did you manage to uncover this dastardly master plan of theirs?

And all those cutesy-pie stories like the little fellow saving the dyke by inserting his finger in a small hole... obviously meant to cover up child labour. Windmills, tulips... wooden shoes ! They are fiendishly clever at disguising their intent to rule the world. Look at what they have done with the "Global Warming" diversion to avert our eyes from their relentless reclamation of the sea ! God help us all.


Oh please...
How can you all be so gullible. Of course it was *through* the Dutch, but it was aliens influencing them with mind control. They want to cover the earth in water so they can have it for water sports tournaments. What do you think global warming is all about?

Sheesh

;D


David Icke warned us all about this years ago but nobody woyld listen! (www.davidicke.com)


Khandu old friend, I am indeed, just this once, humbled at your brilliance! When in most times I find you with all the luminescence of a dead lightning bug in a Mason jar, here I feel you have lit up the darkness like the flames from one of your weekly cross burnings or a blast from a flared-off popcorn and beer fart.

I seriously doubt this will make you "Man of the Year" as your genital equipment is even smaller than Shatner's which can only be seen with an electron microscope and will disqualify you from the competition. But for this one brief and shining albeit stench ridden moment, this is your personal Camelot.

Spaw


Also consider this: The wooden shoes are called sabots. They want to usher in a new age...the Sabot Age. Do you see the subliminal here? Sabot Age...Sabotage!!!
They are sabotaging the rest of the world for their benefit!

"knock, knock" "Who's there?" "Amsterdam" "Amsterdam who?" "Amsterdam door, I am tired of knocking!"

For Spaw: clicky thang

khandu


There's more, but I think that's enough so people get the picture. This is what I call a BIG story!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Nov 02 - 11:12 PM

The Dutch have provided a fair number of tourists with opportunities to legally get blitzed out of their minds on a remarkable variety of cannabis products. CLICK HERE!


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: sledge
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 02:09 AM

My Dutch friends were the most amazing hosts last week in Groningen, while I was there for their annual Leonard Peltier benefit gig.

Wonderful people with great heart.

Sledge


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Hathaway
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 03:05 AM

What several folks seem to ignore is that tulips came from Constantinople. Holland just imported them and got Tulipomania when they (the tulips) got a viral infection that "broke" the color and created vast differences in hues. Bulbs sold for exhorbitant amounts and it all ended in a spectacular financial crash.
http://www.bulb.com/tulips/tulipmania.asp


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 05:34 AM

They found Australia in 1606.

Mind you, a lot of others found it before that, but let it pass without much comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 05:40 AM

They also prove the Darwinian theory of natural selection. They are the tallest people in Europe.The country is flat, so in order to see the views they neeeded to be taller, and lo and behold they became taller.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: GUEST,Greycap
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 06:13 AM

I love 'em - it's a great place with great people


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 06:47 AM

Sometime in the 1700's they gave an ancestor of mine an excuse to leave and come to America.

And the cheese is great.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 07:34 AM

You may be interested in the origins of that old favourite sea shanty
Blood Red Roses. My researches have shown that the song owes its existence to the trade in Dutch bulbs.
Barges (mostly Dutch) would transport these bulbs from the lowlands of Holland to Lincolshire, where they would be grown, cut, and sent by coastal vessels to the island of Jersey (for the annual *Battle of the Flowers*).
This sea trade was discontinued during the war years, owing to the fall of Holland, and the dreaded U-Boat menace.
Flowers continued to be grown, however, smuggled into the country by the brave lads & lasses of the Dutch Underground Resistance. Shipped overland on bicycles (again, Dutch) and taken to Southhampton, then on to the Channel Islands. (The song *Daisy Daisy* or The Bicycle Made For Two, also comes from this era). The Germans were aware of this, and that is why they invaded the Channel Islands.
The vessels formerly employed in the flower trade now became free for trans-atlantic duties (Flower Class sloops?) and now carried lease-lend footwear for our brave lads in the trenches. The recently televised series *Das Boot* tells all about this period, albeit from the German perspective. The shanties *Blood Red Roses* & *Paddy Doyles Boots* came into being aboard these very vessels, which, incidentally, were transferred to inland waterways after the war.
You may still see barges decorated with flower paintings on sundry fittings & fixtures, and that is their origin also.
D.Horse.
Archivist extroadinaire.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Nov 02 - 07:50 AM

A music Hall song - "Me Dear Old ...."


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 05:22 AM

What have the Dutch ever done for us?
Personally?

I'm a lady, so I couldn't possibly comment. ;)

Fib
(currently dating Dutchmen)


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Willie-O
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 06:10 AM

They sent a bunch of tulip bulbs to my hometown, Ottawa, after WWII, with a thank-you note for our putting up their royal family during the Nazi occupation. (While they were in Ottawa, the queens's room in the Ottawa Civic Hospital was temporarily declared Dutch territory so the princess could be born in the Netherlands) We've had this big tulip festival in the spring ever since.

More recently, some Dutch folks have decided to give Ottawa a windmill, a full-size one, as another token of esteem for their WWII liberation by Canadians & Brits. Problem is, no one seems to want it in their neighbourhood! Figure it's just a landmark for the coming invasion I guess.

W-O
Anyone offered your town a windmill recently? Just wondering...


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 06:12 AM

Charles II (who had had a few run-ins with the Dutch authorities when he was in exile) used to refer to them as "stinking butterboxes", and, as insults go, I've always felt that is rather an endearing one.

As for "Sabot Age...Sabotage!!!"The term sabotage actually comes , I understand, from the alleged practice of using wooden or iron edged sabots for damaging machinery in an industrial dipute - the same idea as putting "a spanner in the works". But they'd have been French sabots rather than Dutch.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 06:16 AM

Dutch courage, Dutch uncles ... apart from that, they're OK.

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 06:28 AM

Dutch blinds, dutch barns ... those are handy, aren't they?


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: poetlady
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 06:29 AM

Well, they gave me my funny last name. They also gave us a painter who chopped off an ear. Oh, and one of the prettiest fellows I've ever seen.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 09:41 AM

And this old drinking song:

There's the Highland Dutch,
And the Lowland Dutch,
The Rotterdam Dutch,
And the other damn Dutch!

Glorius!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 10:34 AM

Hi there DH,

"You may be interested in the origins of that old favourite sea shanty
Blood Red Roses. My researches have shown that the song owes its existence to the trade in Dutch bulbs."

I always thought that this was a whaling song (traditional) dating back to the 19th Century?

"Barges (mostly Dutch) would transport these bulbs from the lowlands of Holland to Lincolshire, where they would be grown, cut, and sent by coastal vessels to the island of Jersey (for the annual *Battle of the Flowers*)."

I thought Jersey grew enough flowers of their own to have their Battle of the Flowers, which started in 1902 to celebrate the coronation of Edward VII.

"This sea trade was discontinued during the war years, owing to the fall of Holland, and the dreaded U-Boat menace."

The fall of Holland would make that the Second World War, as Holland successfully managed to steer clear of the First one.

"Flowers continued to be grown, however, smuggled into the country by the brave lads & lasses of the Dutch Underground Resistance. Shipped overland on bicycles (again, Dutch) and taken to Southhampton, then on to the Channel Islands."

Pal of mine from the Navy is a native of Guernsey, a couple of times when we visited, his mum used to make us crab shell and sea-weed soup, a recipe dating from occupation days - any land they had on the occupied channel islands was used for growing food. Holland too towards the end of the war was also starving. With the agreement of local German commanders RAF bombers were used to drop food for the civilian population.

"(The song *Daisy Daisy* or The Bicycle Made For Two, also comes from this era). The Germans were aware of this, and that is why they invaded the Channel Islands.

The correct name of the song is "Daisy Bell" and was written by Harry Dacre in 1892.

"The vessels formerly employed in the flower trade now became free for trans-atlantic duties (Flower Class sloops?) and now carried lease-lend footwear for our brave lads in the trenches. The recently televised series *Das Boot* tells all about this period, albeit from the German perspective. The shanties *Blood Red Roses* & *Paddy Doyles Boots* came into being aboard these very vessels, which, incidentally, were transferred to inland waterways after the war."

The "Flower Class" Sloops of the First World War were all purpose built minesweepers. Officially the class names were "Arabis", "Azalea" & "Acacia" - all built between 1915 and 1916. They had a loa of some 267 feet, a beam of 33 ft and a displacement of 1200 tons. They never were used in the Atlantic or for carrying cargo.

The "Das Boot" film, which is one of the most authentic submarine movies I have ever seen, is definitely Second World War, in which case the applicable "Flower Class" would describe a class of Corvettes, based on an existing Smith's Docks design for a Whale Catcher. Again these were purpose built warships and did not carry cargo. The size, beam, draught and height of their masts and funnels would have gone against these vessels working on inland waterways.

I reckon both the shanties you mention are older.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 10:54 AM

The Dutch engineer Vermuyden drained much of the fens by modifying and supplementing it's original system of rivers and ditches. In the case of the Rivers Nene and Great Ouse, he provided much more direct channels to the Wash. In fact he even reversed the flow on the part of the Ouse (The Old West River) near Ely. Although initially some of his changes caused localised flooding or silting, fine tuning over the following centuries has resulted in us gaining some of our best agricultural land - as well as many navigable waterways.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Kim C
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 12:13 PM

Weren't it a Dutchman what invented the microscope?

What I think is interesting about the Dutch, is how they tried to take over the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Dead Horse
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 12:45 PM

Dear Teribus, you are obviously living in the universe where the Germans lost both wars. In my (parrallel)(thats the way it's spelled in mine)universe the Kaiser won the 1914-47 war.
It seems Mudcat is the cross-over point of our universes.
You can have no idea how hard it is for me to attend catter gatherings, as the wife & I can barely fit into our modem.
AND in my universe, Holland is mountainous, Buddist, and invented the cuckoo clock.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Nov 02 - 01:29 PM

Good on Ya DH - In your universe can Scotland play Rugby? This question prompted by a bit of a flash in the pan last Saturday.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 05:27 AM

You didn't seem to have any trouble crossing over into our universe at Tenterden or any number of other places, Dead Horse. Do our universes tend to touch in the Kentish area and also come to think of it at Stony Stratford ? Also is the Captain Ahab look fashionable in your universe ?


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 09:00 PM

But folk festivals actually aren't in the same universe as daily living. Sort of hazy in-between places. Take the wrong, or arguably tye right, turning and you emerge in a completely diffeent universe. A "folk variant", to use the technical term. That explains a lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: khandu
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 10:15 PM

Alas, only Little Hawk and I see the horrors that lie ahead. Being one of the "Wise Ones" is a lonely life, ain't it, LH?

khandu


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: khandu
Date: 19 Nov 02 - 10:16 PM

Alas, only Little Hawk and I see the horrors that lie ahead. Being one of the "Wise Ones" is a lonely life, ain't it, LH?

khandu


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Subject: RE: BS: What have the Dutch ever done for us?
From: banjoman
Date: 20 Nov 02 - 11:11 AM

Apart from Hagglemix for chocolate sandwiches, my Mother in Law (an absolute gem) and therefore my wife, In addition to lots of useful words (yacht dyke ) and a particular brand of courage which necessitates the consumption of large quantities of Cherry Heering or Scnapps.


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