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Little Hawk 13 Nov 02 - 12:00 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: DougR
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 07:07 PM

Geeze, MTed, I didn't mean to offend anybody with my beans in chili is not real chili statement. I should have included a :>), I suppose, for those sensitive about the subject.

KimC: Yes, I like the Carol Shelby mix too. Another excellent one is "Hogsbreath."

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Kim C
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 04:04 PM

I wholeheartedly agree, Ted, and I do like black bean tostadas!


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: M.Ted
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 03:59 PM

I think everyone should eat what they like, the way that they like it, without having someone else telling them what it or isn't "real"--If you came to my house and didn't like chili the way I fix it(which varies from one time to the next), I would fix something that you did like, and it would be "real" enough to fill you up--since you like beans, cheese, and tortillas, it'd probably be black bean tostadas--


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Kim C
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 09:48 AM

MTed, I don't like beans in my chili. Whether that makes it "real" or not, I don't know, that's just how I like it. I don't like spaghetti in it, either. Your mileage may vary. And if I came to your house and you served me chili with beans and/or spaghetti, I'd still eat it, and be grateful.

I do, however, enjoy a nice bowl of beans and cheese with tortillas once in awhile. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Nov 02 - 06:05 AM

Most of it's been good natured enough - people expressing appreciation of the good things, and a bit of joshing of the sort you get between friends; yes, and a few cases of the hard stuff. But it hasn't spiralled away into hatred the way these things sometimes do, even if it's teetered on the edge a couple of times.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 11:01 PM

Jimmy --

There are three -- makers, takers, and fakers.

Those who can,   do. Those who can't, end up starting threads like this one! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 06:36 PM

There only seems to be 2 kinds of people, givers and takers.

And the takers end up with more than the givers. (If the givers earn good money it isn't so likely to stick with them through thick and thin.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: M.Ted
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 04:40 PM

Please spare us that"Real Chili" business--


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: jimmyt
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 04:38 PM

As an American, asking what America has ever done for us either, brings to mind what President Kennedy said, paraphrasing, "What have you done for America? (speaking to American Citizens.) I hardly expect a lot from my government other than the freedoms we all take for granted. There only seems to be 2 kinds of people, givers and takers. See where you fit in to the big picture.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 04:19 PM

Ask not what your country can do for you...


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 03:34 PM

Geeziz Rog, that was really awful.......Been hangin' out with Art lately or what?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 03:19 PM

Noone's mentioned Leadbelly,so I will.

He was a Welshman too. Must have been.

'In the mines, in the mines, where the sun never shines...'


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 12:30 PM

"What has the US ever done for us?" You'd be amazed at how many Americans are asking the same question.

Stephen Lee


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 12:00 PM

The USA was kind enough to give me a draft card in the late 60's (when I lived in New York State). I eventually tore it up and flushed it down a toilet in Toronto, Canada.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: kendall
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 10:10 AM

The Marshall Plan was actually conceived by President Truman. Right, Doug?

Yes, the money had to be spent in the USA, but, that's a big improvement over the infamous Smoot-Hawley tariff act of 1930. Some countries owed the US heaps of money, and these two republican senators hatched a scheme that those countries had to pay, NOW, and they could not do it by their exports into this country. Such goodwill they generated!


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 09:47 AM

Thanks Guest colwyn - I stand corrected.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: GUEST,colwyn dane
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 09:15 AM

Out of the 13 billion dollars of post-war economic aid received by Europe from the USA:




UK got 3.1 billion dollars;

France 2.7 billion;

Italy 1.5 billion;

West Germany just under 1.5 billion;

Ireland received 46 million dollars.




The aid had to be spent in the US.

CD.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 08:20 AM

Like most above I think the list would be long, but most significantly I would select the following as being top of that list:

1. Stood by us in time of need, when freedom and the democractic system of government was in danger of being usurped.

2. Providing the best example in the world to date of how a multi-ethnic, multi-racial and multi-religious society can not only peacefully co-exist but prosper. I know it is not perfect, few things in life are, but in general they have got more things right than wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: greg stephens
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 05:56 AM

Now that we (UK) are at one with Nineveh and Tyre, thanks to the USA for reminding us that nothing lasts for ever.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Teribus
Date: 13 Nov 02 - 05:45 AM

Britain's "war debt" under the Lend-Lease scheme was paid off in full 30 - 32 years ago. Britain was not a recipient of aid under the Marshall Plan.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 07:27 PM

I don't know if "generosity" is really the term for an intelligent and farsighted policy such as the Marshall Plan which was an act of enlightened self interest every bit as much as an act of altruism. The tragedy is that, when the Soviet Empire fell apart, the people in power didn't have the same kind of imagination and ability to think longterm.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: harvey andrews
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 06:36 PM

So that's why we're poorer than many other of our neighbours. Paying back our allies! So what's the payback for lending our troops and planes this time around?


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Gareth
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 06:34 PM

No Harvey - You did not imagine it. And don't forget the unbounded generosity of the Marshall Aid scheme post war.

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: harvey andrews
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 06:25 PM

Did I imagine reading it or did Britain finish paying for lend-lease under this present govt just a couple of years ago?


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 06:14 PM

Thank God and Nye Bevan for the National Health Service, and damn the politicians who have done so much to run it down and stop it being as good as it could be, and as good as the other medical systems our neighbours in Europe have built up (largely over the Thatcher years which they were spared).

In the same tone I could of course say thanks to the USA for making sure that even the most rightwing poilitcian in this country will swear blind that they will never ever give us a health systrem remotely like yours...

But that's thread drift and grumpy stiff in a generally light-hearted and appreciative thread:

Buster Keaton; Oliver Hardy (we've had Stan Laurel already); Mash; the Simpsons.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: spidly
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 05:29 PM

I think the US potentially owes a greater debt to Europe - Displaying the grand failure of socialized medicine and how to privatize mail, rail, and social security.

Maybe well see the folly and not go down the same road but then again Oregon just voted down a state run health care measure, and I'll bet Rep. Pelosi will start pushing Hillary Care II.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 05:26 PM

Kim, if you mention Star Trek as a positive then you have to blame the U.S. for a negative - Trekkies!!!

Sorry, I never "got it" when it comes to Star Trek. Cheap sets and silly stories in my opinion.

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Kim C
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 05:15 PM

Well, the original cowboys were the Mexican vaqueros. :-)

Personally, I like Carroll Shelby's chili kit that you can buy at the grocery. Has all the spices in it & stuff. Makes some damn good chili. Last time I made chili, though, I made it from leftover Sloppy Joe stuff. That was pretty good too.

I like my chili with Fritos. And oh yeah ---- I think the US gave the world the greatest snack food ever ----- the Potato Chip.

And I think we gave the world Dick Clark, too, but I don't know if that's good or bad.

Two more words for you: STAR TREK


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 05:09 PM

DougR - Chili with beans is indeed chili, it is just not ORIGINAL chili.   Beans were added by boarding house cooks in the late 1800's as a way of stretching the dish.   Cowboy cooks on trail drives would not have had the time to boil beans for the dish hence it was created sans beans.   Of course this fact sort of takes the ... wind .. out of Mel Brook's scene in Blazing Saddles.

Chili has many regional variations. AUTHENTIC Texas chili would not use beans of course, but there are still hundreds of variations. It was a meal of convenience and sustenance.

Now I am hungry.

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 04:55 PM

Ah, but are you sure those cowboy cooks weren't Mexican anyway? (Or maybe Chinese - that sounds a lot like Chinese cooking to me.)

Try Czech Budweiser, boab. (It costs the same in the supermarket too, or less often enough.)

Noone's mentioned Leadbelly,so I will.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: DougR
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 04:32 PM

Kim: Chili WITH beans, is NOT chili. Accounts I have read do credit cowboy cooks on trail drives in Texas with inventing chili as we know it. They used the tougher cuts of beef and cooked the hell out of it with chilis, creating the delecible dish we know today.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: kendall
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 04:08 PM

Bert, I believe that ship was the FLYING Enterprise. Captained by Kurt Carlson

I'd like to see a little more humor in this thread. Too much sarcasm for me. Most of us are descended from the Brits and Celts, so, it's like fighting with relatives!
Yes, I'm expecting grief from some Turkish/Greek/Somalian.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: GUEST,boab d
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 04:03 PM

theres many things that you could say but even though i m scotish i feel the need to mention BIG BUDS after a few of them the world is great and its a taste to die for cheers to the yanks for that oh and for the dan reid network with the song stronger than steel the best ballad ever written if you havent heard it i suggest that you try it out.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Kim C
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 03:47 PM

Did anyone mention Jimi Hendrix?

The irony being, he had to go to England to get famous.........

Anyway.... we all borrow from each other, and that's what makes this a great big beautiful world. I sure do like it here. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 03:15 PM

What the hell do you mean we are thin skinned??????? My skin is just as thick as yours buddy!!!!

:)

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 02:15 PM

Charlie Chaplin, Stan Laurel,Alfred Hitchcock,Cary Grant

I took it that was the point. They had to go to America to do the business on screen.

Are Americans really more thin-skinned than other people when it comes to any kind of joshing? Or is it just that they maybe come in for more than most other places? And there's more of them around, so the the occasional one who reacts all thin-skinned is more likely to come forth and be recognised.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: The Shambles
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 02:07 PM

Wales????*Smiles*


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Gareth
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 02:05 PM

Charlie Chaplin, Stan Laurel,Alfred Hitchcock,Cary Grant and etc

Eeeer Where were they born ????

Gareth


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 01:59 PM

Little Hawk - A world without beer... shudder.   Might as well turn off the sun while you are at it!!

You are probably trying the wrong beers to have such an opinion!!

:)

Ron


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: PeteBoom
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 01:51 PM

Ummm - actually - Charlie Chaplin made movies in the US, but was born in Britain.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 01:49 PM

Don - Ha! Ha! Now what makes you think I WAS criticizing your money? I was just describing it, that's all. We also have toonies now in Canada! It was your flag I was criticizing... :-)

Ron - If all the beer in the world disappeared forever, I wouldn't even blink.

As for the French...well, they're like any other nation. They've got their good points and their bad points. Maybe we should start another thread called "What have the French ever done for us?"

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: GUEST,colwyn dane
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 01:32 PM

Put a Yank spanner in the works and prevented normal service being resumed in the 2000 year old Euro-game of mutual reciprocal destruction.



Given aid to the 'Rest of the World' that exceeds what the 'Rest of the World' has given to the 'Rest of the World' - know what I mean?



Charlie Chaplin, Stan Laurel,Alfred Hitchcock,Cary Grant and etc;



CD.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Naemanson
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 12:10 PM

I'm surprised none of you have come up with what the USA has really given the world, namely a place on which the rest of the world can focus frustrated anger at arrogance and greed.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Kim C
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 11:43 AM

Okay Ron. :-) I was under the impression that chile con carne, just meat with ground-up chili peppers in it, was particularly Mexican. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong!

Anyway.... I prefer chili without beans, thank you very much.

Haha! Thomas Edison! That was a good one. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 10:36 AM

The French in France were about as interested in North America as the English in England. Which is to say, not all that interested.

The French in North America seem to have been quite interested in getting around the place and settling in. But in a rather different way, which might have been a bit more satisfactory for the people who were there first.

I sometimes speculate how thing might have worked out if the sentries had spotted General Wolfe's troops climbing the Heights of Abraham. An alternative history, with the French Revolution taking place in America, and a French/Meti Republic spreading west, and the mass immigration from Europe going in via the Saint Lawrence and New Orleans. Meanwhile the English Colonies, cut off from the interior, retain their British link, Canadian style, and develop as southerly Maritime Provinces...


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 07:55 AM

Left to the French "Les Etats Unis" would never have come into being - they just were not interested in the place and had neither intent nor ambition to develope it (hence their willingness to negotiate their Canadian provinces away, Louisianna purchase, etc)). The Spanish were a great deal keener. Politically North and South America would be very much alike, i.e. composed of a number of independent countries - not one nation.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 07:53 AM

The best thing was declaring independenc.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 07:48 AM

Little Hawk, Don't go picking on our money, we aren't the ones who put oil refineries on our bills. We don't have currency called Loonies.

The Iroguois Confederacy had a Jesuit Mission built right in the middle of the nation. When invite to a dinner the French castigated the Indians ( they call themselves that, so shall I) using the wrong fork with the fooey grass. BUt when Hiawatha drank the Merlot while eating the carp the French bid them leave. The confederacy being a Matriarchal society took this insult to there manners very seriously. Futhermore, they recognized immediately what was wrong with a government run by a religion and had nothing to do with the French there after.

William Johnson came along many years later and did something no Europeans, and quite afew colonists had failed to do. Treat them fairly.

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 06:48 AM

I once saw a French recipe for "Mice in Cream". Really. Add this to snails and frogs and those little bite-size birds, and tell me about French civilization. I'll take Mcdonalds over that stuff any day.


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Subject: RE: BS: What has the US ever done for us?
From: Catarina
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 06:04 AM

The US, as most american countries did, gave space and hope to thousands of europeans. That was one good thing. They were probably the first country to try and practice modern age democracy. That's another good thing. They do tend to put their foot in their mouth, but there's always someone who acknowleges the fact and apologises for it. They actually helped us during both World Wars and they even fed us after WWII. They have wonderful writers, great poets, wonderful musicians. They sometimes seem strange to european eyes, but that's what usualy happens when children grow - the parents find them strange, but still love them. (Sorry if my english looks strange...)


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