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Kemo Kimo info

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DING DANG DONG GO THE WEDDING BELLS
FROG WENT A-COURTIN' 8
MISTER FROG WENT A-COURTING
PUDDY AND MOUSE 2
PUDDY AND MOUSE 3
THE BULL FROG
THE FROG'S COURTSHIP (4)
THE FROG'S WEDDING
THE PUDDY AND THE MOUSE
THERE WAS A FROG WHO LIVED IN A WELL 7


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(origins) Origins: Froggy Went A-Courtin' (65)
Lyr Req: Froggie Went A-Courting (22)
Lyr Add: The Frog's Wedding (36)
Lyr Req: Keemo Kimo/Possum in a Simmon Tree (15)
Lyr Req: Way Down Yonder on Beaver Creek (19)
froggie went a courtin (53)
Lyr Req: Mr. Spider (Little Body Rinctum) (15)
Lyr Req: frog went a courtin (Cheshire) (37)
old mister rat took a notion for wife (4)
Dylan, The Froggy Went a Courtin' (15)
Lyr Add: Chow Willy (11)
LimberJim/Buck-eye Jim History (2)
lyr req: Kemo Kimo? (23)
'A Froggy Would A-Wooing Go' (9)
Lyr Req: Froggy Went A-Courtin' (23)
Froggie Went A'Courtin': OFFICIAL (5)
Tune Req: versions of 'Froggy Goes a Courtin' (4)
challenge--swingin' 'froggie' (5)
fum fum a needle and a kimo... (11)
Chord Req: King Kong Kitchie Kitchie Ki-Me-O (5)
Link: Froggy's Novelty Song Lyrics (3)
Lyr Req: Frog in the Well (20)


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GUEST,a.e. mawhinney south carolina 09 Apr 11 - 12:40 PM
mayomick 09 Apr 11 - 02:15 PM
GUEST,Liz 20 Mar 12 - 06:53 PM
Steve Gardham 20 Mar 12 - 07:23 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 Mar 12 - 02:38 PM
GUEST,Ty 11 May 12 - 02:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 10 - 12:08 PM

Here's another from a Scout song page.

Keemo Kyemo

       There was an old frog band he lived ina spring,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.
       He was so hoarse he couldn't sing,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.

      Chorus:

       Keemo kyemo dellway Hiho Rumpetee rump
       Periwinkle soap Linkhorn nip cat
       Hit'em with a brickbat,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.

       Cheese in thye springhouse nine days old,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.
       Rats and skippers qwful bold,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.

      Chorus:

       There was a man and he was rich,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.
       He got a rash and began to ictch,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.

      Chorus:

      Rose are red, violets are blue,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.
       Sugar si sweet and so are you,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.

      Chorus:

       I se England, I see France,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.
       I see Mary's polka-dot pants,
       Sing-song kitty catch-ee kye-nne-oh.

      Chorus:


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST,a.e. mawhinney south carolina
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 12:40 PM

the way i heard the song was.   kemo kimo kimo dray hit cat sit cat pritty little kitty won't you carry home and the chickens they roost with there feet hanging out. i forgot the rest.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: mayomick
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 02:15 PM

Lyrically related to the Bagum songs surely?

Old Bang'em would a-hunting ride,
[Dillem, down, dillem]
Old Bang'em would a-hunting ride
[Dillem down]
Old Bang'em would a-hunting ride,
Sword and pistol by his side
[Cubby, ki, cuddle down
Killi, Quo, Quam]

There is a wild boar in this wood
Will eat your meat and suck your blood

Oh how shall I this wild boar see?
Blow a blast and he'll come to thee

Old Bang'em blew both load and shrill
The wild boar heard on Temple Hill

The wild boar came with such a rush
He tore down hickory, oak and ash

Old Bang'em drew his wooden knife
And swore that he would take his life

Old Bang'em did you win or lose
He swore that he had won the shoes

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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST,Liz
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 06:53 PM

I've had this stupid song stuck in my head since 2nd grade probably. I was wondering its history and if anyone else knew it as well.

I remember going something like this

Way down yonder on Beaver creek
Sing song kitty cancha kimeo
Boys grow up to be six feet
Sing song kitty cantcha kimeo
kimo kimo de ro art me heemy himey hum drum penny tinkle
tit tat pitty pat, blue eyed pussy cat
sing song kitty cancha kimeo!


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 07:23 PM

The long keemo kimo chorus was well known in 18th century songs and it actually had a sensible meaning at one time. I posted it on one of the other threads.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 02:38 PM

Some 24 threads linked, and possibly more. Very time-consuming to check them. They should be organized to separate the wheat from the chaff, but a job for someone with a lot of time on their hands.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST,Ty
Date: 11 May 12 - 02:40 PM

Tow/"toe"/to... tobacco.

Cover the ground all over with smoke.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 May 12 - 05:22 PM

Q
Couldn't find it myself on any of the above threads so I'll repost it here. It certainly proves the long tongue twister chorus is a lot older than the 19thc, and was widely known and utilised in 18thc England. The likelihood is that is where it originated, but we can't say this for definite of course.

The earliest usage I have found so far is on The Camp Garland, printed by John Thornton c1722. My copy comes from the ECCO compilation of 18thc stall copies. These are from various sources, BL, NLS etc and my copy didn't indicate the sources. The tune is given as 'Gameorum' and here is the verse and chorus.

Milkmaid going out of late,
With a rigdum for a little Game.
To see the camp it was her fate,
With a rigdum for a little game.
    Gameorum wildum gorum, game wildum game,
    Can you net a Flumerum, a Rigdum Bolleram
    Rigdum for a little game.

And I've just remembered where I posted it. It was on a thread discussing the meaning of 'Rigdum'. I seem to remember the terms in the chorus here are all cant terms of the period and have something to do with girls ensnaring the soldiers with their 'game'

Of course the rhythm and form could be based on something earlier.

By 1780 the nonsense chorus form was being used in musicals which is probably where that variant of 'froggy' picked it up. Here's the first verse of 'The Old English Baron' from the musical comedy 'The Baron' of which I have several 18thc copies; one not necessarily the earliest is dated 1781.

In days of yore, as I've been told,
With a humdrum woundy length of line-o,
There liv'd a Baron bluff and bold,
With a strim-stram very little coin-o;
    Means I grant ye
    Rather scanty,
But great store of line-o;
Strim-stram, pamma diddle, lara bona, ring tang,
    ring tang, very little coin-o.

In the 'Modern Syren' printed in 1791 by S Hodgson of Newcastle at p181 is a medley containing the following bit of 'Froggy'

There was a frog liv'd in a well
    With a rigdum boni cimi,
    rigdum boni, boni rigdum,
    rigdum boni cimi;
There was a frog liv'd in a well
    With a rigdum boni cimi.

All this really demonstrates is that the tune and form were being recycled all through the 18th and 19th centuries, pretty similar to 'The Keeper' which has a very distinct form, tune and chorus which were constantly recycled in the same way, although we have even earlier versions of this.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 08:07 PM

"tow" is short for tobacco. What else would the be growing in South Carolina?


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 09:19 PM

"Plant de tow"-

Bad guess, guest.

Tow is a fiber, in the 19th c. usually hemp, flax or jute.

Nowadays, tow is generally a synthetic or carbon fiber, but before the synthetics, tow was a natural fiber used to stuff upholstery, or as a staple fiber.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Jul 12 - 09:22 AM

Is it what they made towropes out of?

I'll get me coat .....


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 11:10 PM

So how does this song relate to frog went a courtin


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 01:44 PM

Nick,
If you look at Liz's post above you'll see that this very popular minstrel song of 1850s has taken the form, tune, and some of the nonsense chorus from the earlier stream of British songs and some of this has become attached to the 'Frog went a courtin' text. It's easy to see how this could happen. Any song written in couplets with lines of that length could be adapted to any number of tune/chorus/formats available in oral tradition.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 01:39 PM

Just to muddy the waters, Tow (the fiber) rhymes with cow, not with toe.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST,rubitzal
Date: 03 Jan 13 - 12:55 PM

When I was a small kid in the 1930's I remember my father singing the following words: Kemo kimo cairo where,timmy I timmy o timmy rough stuff ?????? I've forgotten the rest. It may have been a sporting
"fight" song he learned at Wyoming Seminary in Pennsylvania. But my contact at WS can find no record of it in the WS archives.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST,Richie
Date: 17 Oct 15 - 10:52 AM

After the crash in '29 Pop went on the bum, returning periodically from his sojourns through the southern jungles for bedtime songfests on his lap. He's his version (as phonetically as I can manage).

Way down south where I was born,
Sing some Polly watcha kimeo.
Feed your horse on injun corn,
Sing some Polly watcha kimeo.

(chorus)
Guymill dee, guymill doe, Oh, my heart!
With a rum chicka bum chicka chew tabacca soda cracker firecracker, KI...ME...OH.

Next comes two girls dressed in white,
Sing some Polly watcha kimeo.
How'd you like to go to heaven on the tail of a kite,
Sing some Polly watcha kimeo.

(Chorus)


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST,Susan B
Date: 03 Apr 16 - 06:49 PM

Hi, dear Mudcatters . . . can anyone help with a children's singing game called "Our Old Sow"? It borrows the Kimo Keemo refrain. I am thinking surely it's a fragment, but I can't find it.

Our old sow is getting very fat.
Kimo Komo Keemo,
Three foot two across the back
Kimo Komo Keemo.

Maybe it's improvised text, but it's a fun game . . . I'd like to find a good source, though.

Many thanks in advance!


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST,Terry asher
Date: 20 Oct 16 - 07:40 PM

Rum sticka fum a diddle ox stuck a pennywinkle in come a knick knack johnny get your boot jack sing sing kitty won't you ki meo


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Oct 16 - 08:17 PM

First recording I ever heard of "sing song kitty etc etc" was Bob Gibson, accompanying himself on banjo.


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Oct 16 - 03:52 PM

Found Bob Gibson's version. It's from the Folk Songs of Ohio Stinson label release.
The title is
"Down in Sky Town."


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: GUEST,A stranger
Date: 14 May 19 - 11:26 AM

I thought plant the to was plant the tobacco


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Subject: RE: Kemo Kimo info
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 May 19 - 07:14 PM

CHEESE in the springhouse 9 days old? I always heard it as SHE'S in the springhouse, rats and the mice are a-getting mighty bold. I thought they'd eat the baby.

Grew up with this by Ed McCurdy.


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