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Herga Kitty 31 Jul 02 - 03:51 AM
Ned Ludd 31 Jul 02 - 04:03 AM
nutty 31 Jul 02 - 04:27 AM
Dave Bryant 31 Jul 02 - 04:41 AM
John MacKenzie 31 Jul 02 - 06:37 AM
GUEST 31 Jul 02 - 06:59 AM
GUEST,Paul 31 Jul 02 - 07:35 AM
Dave Bryant 31 Jul 02 - 08:13 AM
GUEST,Paul 31 Jul 02 - 08:37 AM
nutty 31 Jul 02 - 10:24 AM
Skipper Jack 31 Jul 02 - 12:12 PM
Skipper Jack 31 Jul 02 - 12:12 PM
vectis 31 Jul 02 - 12:58 PM
Dave the Gnome 31 Jul 02 - 02:13 PM
Chris Amos 31 Jul 02 - 03:20 PM
Emma B 31 Jul 02 - 05:26 PM
Watson 01 Aug 02 - 04:02 AM
Ned Ludd 01 Aug 02 - 04:19 AM
GUEST,NSC George Henderson 01 Aug 02 - 01:26 PM
greg stephens 01 Aug 02 - 01:39 PM
Art Thieme 01 Aug 02 - 09:11 PM
alanww 02 Aug 02 - 05:15 AM
Alio 02 Aug 02 - 06:31 AM
Steve Parkes 02 Aug 02 - 10:28 AM
GUEST,Quartz Lancashire 02 Aug 02 - 05:34 PM
GUEST,Mike O'Leary-Johns 03 Aug 02 - 04:54 AM
GUEST,MCP 03 Aug 02 - 06:09 AM
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Subject: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 03:51 AM

The news has been posted on UK music folk that Fred Jordan passed away yesterday afternoon, 30 July. Another great loss to the English folk world.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Ned Ludd
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 04:03 AM

A great singer and a good man. a massive source of traditional music knowledge has gone. Yorksire festivals will all feel the loss.

Dave Ellis.


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Subject: RE: RIP Fred Jordan
From: nutty
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 04:27 AM

A lovely, genuine, gentle man ......... the world is a lesser place for his passing.


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Subject: RE: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 04:41 AM

Poor old Fred - not just a Folk Singer more a bit of Folklore. I got to know Fred many years and have some wonderful memories of both his singing and idiosyncrasies.

When I was accommodating him for one series of gigs in the SE, I told him to make himself at home during the days and that I'd put out a clean bath towel for him. "Oh, I don't hold with baths", he said, "I reckons that they weakens you". Another time when I was driving him to a booking he saw a field of unshorn sheep - "Ooh - them sheep should have been sheared by now - they'll git the maggits" - I had great difficulty restraining him from knocking on the farmer's door and offering to do the job then and there ! Mind you the main problem about driving Fred to gigs, was trying to stay sober - he had a great capacity for ale and always insisted on buying you back a pint for ever one you bought him.

The most wonderful memory I have of him though, was a gig at the old Groombridge Folk Club which the late Isobel Sutherland used to run. It was a beautiful summer's evening and the windows were wide open. There was Fred singing with his wonderful sincerity and phrasing and outside a blackbird sang in accompaniment through all his songs. His slightly quizical smile, that dent on his forehead (where he was once kicked by a horse) and that wonderful voice and delivery will be sadly missed.


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Subject: RE: RIP Fred Jordan
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 06:37 AM

They don't make them like that anymore; and more's the pity.
RIP Fred .....Giok


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Subject: RE: RIP Fred Jordan
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 06:59 AM

Farewell Fred, you may not be here in body any more, but your memory and spirit will always be remembered. The world will be a lesser place without you. God bless and look after you.

Happy memories, of a lovely vibrant man.

Clare


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Subject: RE: RIP Fred Jordan
From: GUEST,Paul
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 07:35 AM

Could someone provide, or point me to, a brief biog of the man.

Whilst I recognise the name, I'm slightly ashamed to say that I know no more.

Thanks.

Paul


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Subject: RE: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 08:13 AM

Fred was a farm labourer from Shropshire. He had a wide repertoire of songs, some of which had been passed down to him and some of which he'd learned from his later contact with the folk scene. He was known (and sometimes parodied) for his cap - always worn to one side, and his habit of holding his hands together in front of him - sometimes lterally "cap in hands". For many years he gave the impression that he was rather older than he actually was. He was a regular at many festivals - especially Bromyard (where I'm sure that there will be some sort of memorative proceedings this year).

Songs that I will remember him for include "The Farmer's Boy", "The Banks of Sweet Primroses", "The Volunteer Organist" and his rather bawdy "It won't last very, very Long".


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Subject: RE: RIP Fred Jordan
From: GUEST,Paul
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 08:37 AM

Thanks a lot, Dave

Paul


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Subject: RE: RIP Fred Jordan
From: nutty
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 10:24 AM

There's a bit more info here

Songs of a Shropshire Lad


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 12:12 PM

I am deeply sorry to hear of Fred's passing. I too have fond memories of him. Having seen him at a number of festivals, but mostly at Bromyard. I first saw him at a folk club gig way back in the mid-sixties. His flannel shirt and the cap etc., left many of us wondering what we were in for? But he very soon had us singing out of the palm of his hand!!

One of my favourite songs was Fred's version of "My Grand Father's Clock". I loved his rendering of the "Dark-Eyed Sailor".

I shall dig out his album, "Songs of a Shropshire Farm Worker" and play it again in fond memory of a wonderful folk singer - great loss to the folk world. His music will live on in this household.


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 12:12 PM

I am deeply sorry to hear of Fred's passing. I too have fond memories of him. Having seen him at a number of festivals, but mostly at Bromyard. I first saw him at a folk club gig way back in the mid-sixties. His flannel shirt and the cap etc., left many of us wondering what we were in for? But he very soon had us singing out of the palm of his hand!!

One of my favourite songs was Fred's version of "My Grand Father's Clock". I loved his rendering of the "Dark-Eyed Sailor".

I shall dig out his album, "Songs of a Shropshire Farm Worker" and play it again in fond memory of a wonderful folk singer - a great loss to the folk world. His music will live on in this household.


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: vectis
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 12:58 PM

Another treasure who will be sorely missed.


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 02:13 PM

It's all been said but I'll add my condolonces to the world of traditional folk as well as to the ones closest to him. He will indeed be missed. The few times I saw him at Fleetwood he gave the impression of being a very happy man and always smiling.

Cheers

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Chris Amos
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 03:20 PM

And it was down the road, Away went Polly with a step so jolly Oh I knew she'd win, Down the Road The mare was willing and the pace was killing for a lightening spin Jones's cob was licked that much, he wished he'd ne'er been born Whoa mare, whoa mare For you've earned your little bit of corn.

Goodbye Fred


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Emma B
Date: 31 Jul 02 - 05:26 PM

First met Fred at Keele 1964/5? Difficult to think that he was then a decade (or so) younger than I am now! Last cuddle was at Whitby last year - hope I stay 'lusty' as long. Another mould broken - sadly missed


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Watson
Date: 01 Aug 02 - 04:02 AM

Such sad news, although he wasn't a well man, I really thought he would live for some years in the home in Ditton Priors - where he had more visitors than all the rest of the residents put together.

At least Fred looked happy when I last saw him, surrounded by his treasured horse brasses.


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Ned Ludd
Date: 01 Aug 02 - 04:19 AM

Sang a song and drank to Fred at the Cross keys in uppermill last night. A happy song and a strong ale!


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: GUEST,NSC George Henderson
Date: 01 Aug 02 - 01:26 PM

Met Fred in London in the late 70,s. i arrived at the club early and Fred was drinking a pint in the lounge. i joined him, bought him a pint and back came another a few minutes later. A wonderful man, I have a very good recording of that night which I will treasure.

He sang an unusual version of "The Galway Shawl" that night which i have incorporated into my repertoire.

He will be missed and I promise to sing some of his sings in his memory at the next session I attend.

George Henderson


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: greg stephens
Date: 01 Aug 02 - 01:39 PM

Fred was probably the only English traditional-type singer who managed to bridge the yawning chasm between the tradition and the "folk-scene". Club and festival organisers have generally been unwilling or unable to help audiences to hear traditional performers, but Fred managed to make people overcome that reluctance which gave a load of people a chance to hear for themselves something they might otherwise have found very difficult to experience. That meant a lot to a lot of people. A lovely man.


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Aug 02 - 09:11 PM

You all paint a picture of a man I'd've wanted to know and learn from. It's a tough tightrope to walk between the no-trad folks and the all-trad folks. I know. But it does sound as if Fred Jordan managed it. I never knew him---but I will miss him.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: alanww
Date: 02 Aug 02 - 05:15 AM

Goodbye Fred. You were certainly a great character! Glad to have met you and heard your singing. Thanks for the info Dave and others and for the wonderful picture, Watson.

We knew that his spirit was pluming for flight, that his our of departure had come ...
Alan


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Alio
Date: 02 Aug 02 - 06:31 AM

Thanks for the photo Watson - I was doing OK until I saw that, but it really choked me up. It's just him, isn't it? He'll be greatly missed at Whitby as well - he was always there. A lovely, gentle man.


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 02 Aug 02 - 10:28 AM

Ah, dear old Fred! I first saw him in Birmngham in (about) 1972; I've still got the programme. He'll be walking to his last gig now, then; it'll all be uphill!

Steve


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: GUEST,Quartz Lancashire
Date: 02 Aug 02 - 05:34 PM

We sang with Fred on many occasions, he was a dream to work with if he liked you - but beware if you had upset him. He would have no truck with singers who talked too much or altered the tradition for their own glory. A lovely man who was a delight to sing with. Sandra and Steve, Judith and Pete will all miss you. One lasting memory of Fred was in the 80's in the Seven Stars in Shrewsbury where he sang the Rose of Allendale closely followed by Farmers Boy - unfortunately the tune of the first song was still in his head and the resulting Farmers Boy to the tune of the 'Rose' threw Fred and the whole room into confusion! His cursing was wonderful!


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: GUEST,Mike O'Leary-Johns
Date: 03 Aug 02 - 04:54 AM

It's Great to read the Tributes the Feelings expressed about Fred.He was a Lovely Man and a Great Singer. By no means the "simple" Farm Labourer that appeared on the surface.Every one will miss him.... He just can't be replaced.The warmth of his smile when he was pleased with a singer, song or person was wonderfull to behold.I think that, that was perhaps what Quartz were thinking of...and your right... in the latter years he could get "tetchy" if he felt people did not give respect for a song or did not know what was a Folk Song and what was not. However my reason for" stepping in" was to give some details of the Funeral :- The Funeral will take place in the village of MUNSLOW. { in the village church). On the B4368;between Craven Arms and Bridgnorth{in Shropshire}. There will be ample Parking arrangements with the use of a nearby field.There will be a reception in the Village of Culmington after the Funeral. Thre are also Plans for a Memorial Day later in the Year.


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: GUEST,MCP
Date: 03 Aug 02 - 06:09 AM

Mike you omitted the date and time of the funeral. I quote here Peter Burnam's post from uk.music.folk

Mick


"Fred's funeral will take place on Wednesday, 7th August at 12 noon at the Village Church, Munslow,... details as above omitted(MCP).

Following the funeral there will be a reception in the Village Hall (opposite the Royal Oak) in Culmington, which is nearby on the B4365. Janice Davis, Fred's niece would like to make everyone welcome.

Any donations are going to be split between Air Ambulance and Munslow Church, which Fred supported. They can be made at the church or sent to Graham Heiron, Funeral Director, Bromfield, Nr Ludlow, Shropshire, SY8 2JR. Tel: 01584 856273

To get an idea of numbers, it would be helpful if you would indicate attendance to Kate Penny, by Monday if possible - email: gem@le.ac.uk . She can also be contacted if you want an address to write to for the family.

An obituary is expected to be in the Guardian this Saturday, 3rd August. This Sunday evening, 4th August, (don't know what time) Genevive Lewis will be doing a tribute programme on Radio Shropshire.

Some thought is being given to a celebration of Fred's life, perhaps in September. Details will be sorted out after Whitby Festival. Suggestions for the day would be welcome - email gem@le.ac.uk.

Pete Burnham"


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: GUEST,Mike O'Leary-Johns
Date: 03 Aug 02 - 07:43 AM

Thanks for the backup information,Pete.Mike.


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Col K
Date: 03 Aug 02 - 04:33 PM

Its all been said, A lovely man,a great singer he will be missed by many people.

Rest In Peace


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Subject: RE: OBIT: RIP Fred Jordan
From: Watson
Date: 04 Aug 02 - 11:19 AM

Thanks MCP.

For Genevive Lewis, read Genevieve Tudor. The show is between 8:00 and 10:00 on Radios Shropshire, Stoke and Worcester. I understand there will be a tribute to Fred.


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