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JOE HILL
JOE HILL'S LAST WILL
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Subject: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 01:38 PM

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This thread is intended to serve as a forum for corrections and annotations for the Digital Tradition song named in the title of this thread.

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JOE HILL

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
Alive as you or me
Says I, "But Joe, you're ten years dead,"
"I never died," says he
"I never died," says he

"In Salt Lake, Joe," says I to him,
Him satnding by my bed,
"They framed you on a murder charge,"
Says Joe, "But I ain't dead,"
Says Joe, "But I ain't dead."

"The copper bosses killed you, Joe,
They shot you, Joe," says I.
"Takes more than guns to kill a man,"
Says Joe, "I didn't die,"
Says Joe, "I didn't die."

And standing there as big as life
And smiling with his eyes
Joe says, "What they forgot to kill
Went on to organize,
Went on to organize."

"Joe Hill ain't dead," he says to me,
"Joe Hill ain't never died.
Where working men are out on strike
Joe Hill is at their side,
Joe Hill is at their side."

"From San Diego up to Maine,
In every mine and mill,
Where workers strike and organize,"
Says he, "You'll find Joe Hill,"
Says he, "You'll find Joe Hill."

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
Alive as you or me
Says I, "But Joe, you're ten years dead,"
"I never died," says he
"I never died," says he

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Music by Earl Robinson, copyright 1938 by Bob Miller, Inc.

Joe Hill, a great organizer and poet, was executed in 1915 on a
murder charge which union circles have always considered a frame-
up. This song, written in his memory, is one of the most moving
of all the labor songs.
Recorded by Paul Robeson, Baez- One Day at a Time
@union @work @IWW
filename[ JOEHILL
Tune file : JOEHILL

CLICK TO PLAY
DC




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Traditional Ballad Index Entry:


Joe Hill

DESCRIPTION: The singer "dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, Alive as you and me." He points out that Hill is dead. Hill replies, "I never died." The singer describes the details of Hill's death; Hill answers, "What they forgot to kill Went on to organize."
AUTHOR: Words: Alfred Hayes/Music: Earl Robinson
EARLIEST DATE: 1938 (music copyright; the words are older)
KEYWORDS: death dream labor-movement lastwill
HISTORICAL REFERENCES:
1915 - Execution of Joe Hill on a faked murder charge. His only actual crime was being an effective supporter of unions
FOUND IN:
REFERENCES (2 citations):
Arnett, p. 175, "Joe Hill" (1 text, 1 tune)
DT, JOEHILL

RECORDINGS:
Pete Seeger, "Joe Hill" (on PeteSeeger39) (on PeteSeeger48)
Notes: Joe Hill was executed on a faked murder charge (his only actual crime was being an effective supporter of unions). The date is variously listed; Joe Hickerson reports November 18, 1915, while Greenway offers November 15, 1919. I have seen the 1915 date elsewhere, but I have not been able to verify it absolutely. - RBW
File: Arn175

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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 01:44 PM

The Digital Tradition has a number of songs written by and about Joe Hill. Since these are "composed" songs, I think the discussion of them may be limited, and that it might be worthwhile to group all the Joe Hill Songs into one study. Feel free to use this thread also to post Joe Hill songs that are not in the DT.
I was working "Joe Hill" up for performance, and I noted a missing songwriter attribution. there were also a couple of discrepancies with the lyrics I found in other sources. I transcribed the following from The People's Songbook (People's Artists, New York, 1848 & 1956). The DT has one line that's substantially different, and I listed that line as an alternate.
-Joe Offer-

JOE HILL
(Alfred Hayes & Earl Robinson)

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
Alive as you and me
Says I, "But Joe, you're ten years dead,"
"I never died," says he
"I never died," says he

"In Salt Lake, Joe, by God" says I,*
Him standing by my bed,
"They framed you on a murder charge,"
Says Joe, "But I ain't dead,"
Says Joe, "But I ain't dead."

"The copper bosses killed you, Joe,
They shot you, Joe," says I.
"Takes more than guns to kill a man,"
Says Joe, "I didn't die,"
Says Joe, "I didn't die."

And standing there as big as life
And smiling with his eyes
Joe says, "What they forgot to kill
Went on to organize,
Went on to organize."

"Joe Hill ain't dead," he says to me,
"Joe Hill ain't never died.
Where workingmen are out on strike
Joe Hill is at their side,
Joe Hill is at their side."

"From San Diego up to Maine,
In every mine and mill,
Where workers strike and organize,"
Says he, "You'll find Joe Hill,"
Says he, "You'll find Joe Hill."

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
Alive as you and me
Says I, "But Joe, you're ten years dead,"
"I never died," says he
"I never died," says he


*alternate: "In Salt Lake, Joe," says I to him,

Source: The People's Songbook (1948)
Words by Alfred Hayes
Music by Earl Robinson
copyright 1938 by Bob Miller, Inc.

Joe Hill, a great organizer and poet, was executed in 1915 on a murder charge which union circles have always considered a frame-up. This song, written in his memory, is one of the most moving of all the labor songs.
Recorded by Paul Robeson, Baez- One Day at a Time

@union @work @IWW
filename[ JOEHILL
Tune file : JOEHILL
DC

Is the tune in the DT accurate?

In Songs of Work and Protest (1960, 1973 - also known as Songs of Work and Freedow), Edith Fowke and Joe Glazer have lyrics identical to those shown above, including BOTH versions of the second verse. The Fowke-Glazer book has some fascinating background information.
"It was Joe Hill more than any other song-writer who made the Industrial Workers of the World a singing organization." That was the verdict of Ralph Chaplin, author of "Solidarity Forever" and a leading IWW poet and song-writer himself.

Who was this Joe Hill about whose death —and life— so many books, articles, songs, and poems have been written?

Joe Hill —born Joel Emmanuel Hagglund in Sweden— came to the United States in 1901 when he was nineteen. In 1910, he became an active member of the Wobblies on the West Coast when he was working in the port of San Pedro.

Joe had a poetic streak in him and liked to pick out tunes on the piano. His name became known among Wobblies and other trade unionists when he wrote "Casey Jones," "The Preacher and the Slave," and many other popular union songs. He sang his songs at union meetings, on street corners, and on picket lines, and they became so popular that the 1913 edition of the IWW’s famous "Little Red Song Book" contained no less than thirteen of them.

In January, 1914, Hill was arrested in Salt Lake City, Utah, on a murder charge. Despite the intervention of President Woodrow Wilson and the Swedish government, despite the condemnation of the trial as unfair by the American Federation of Labor, despite vigorous protests from public meetings throughout the country and as far away as Australia, Joe Hill was finally executed by a five-man firing squad on November 19, 1915.

The case of Joe Hill is still being debated. In their books, The Preacher and the Slave and American Folk Songs of Protest, Wallace Stegner and John Greenway present arguments to tear down the "myth" of Joe Hill as a great labor hero and martyr, implying that Hill was the kind of fellow who might have committed the murder with which he was charged. Further evidence for this point of view is presented by Professor Vernon Jensen of Cornell University in an article, "The Legend of Joe Hill," which appeared in the industrial & Labor Relations Review in April, 1951.

However, this theory is vigorously disputed by Barrie Stavis who presents a mass of documented evidence in his book, The Man Who Never Died, to show that Hill was innocent and that he was the victim of a frame-up because he was a militant trade unionist and a well-known Wobbly.

The day before Joe Hill was executed in Salt Lake City, he sent a wire to Wobbly leader Big Bill Haywood at IWW headquarters in Chicago. Hill’s words were to become famous: "Don’t waste time mourning. Organize."

Hill’s body was brought to Chicago where 30,000 sympathizers marched in one of the greatest funeral processions ever seen in that or any other city. Eulogies were delivered in nine languages. Then, in keeping with Joe’s wishes, his body was cremated. His ashes were placed in many small envelopes and scattered throughout the United States and in countries on every continent. But no ashes were dropped in the State of Utah because Joe "did not want to be found dead there."

The night before Joe Hill was shot, a speaker at a protest meeting in Salt Lake City cried: "Joe Hill will never die!" And in a way he never did die because he has become a symbol of the hundreds of men and women who have been killed while battling for labor’s rights.

Perhaps the most important factor in perpetuating his memory is this moving song which was written by Earl Robinson and Alfred Hayes some twenty years after his death.


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Oaklet
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 02:44 PM

Sorry, Joe. That blasted hay has set me off again. Could have sworn if said "Songs of Joe in Hull". I'll get me coat and leave you to your thoughts.


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Willa
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 03:41 PM

From "Songs of Struggle and Protest", ed. J McDonnell, Mercier Press
"Joe Hill,b Oct.7th 1879 in Graule, Sweden (Joel Hagglund). His memorial card read Murdered by the State of Utah, Nov. 19th, 1915
Joe Hill was written by Alfred Hayes in 1925 with music by Earl Robinson, on the 10th anniversary of Hill's judicial murder. 'Casey Jones, the Union Scab', a parody of another ballad of the same name, is the first known song by Joe Hill "
Comparison with your first version.
Omits verse 5, and has some slight changes
First and last verses as yours.

v2 "In Salt Lake City, Joe," says I
Him standing by my bed,
"They framed you on a murder charge,"
Says Joe, "I've not been dead,"
Says Joe, " I've not been dead,"

v3 "The copper bosses killed you, Joe,
They shot you, Joe," says I.
"Takes more than guns to kill a man,"
Says Joe, "I didn't die,"
Says Joe, "I didn't die."

v4 And there was Joe as big as life
And smiling with his eyes
Joe says, "What they could never kill
Went on to organize,
Went on to organize."

v5 "From San Diego up to Maine,
In every mine and mill,
Where workers strike and organize,
It's there you'll find Joe Hill,
It's there you'll find Joe Hill."


The book gives the Discography ref. Songs of Joe Hill, Joe Glazer, Folkways FA2039, and Bibliography ref. Stavis Barrie and Frank Harmon, The Songs of Joe Hill (Inc. Music) Oak Publications NY, 1960


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Willa
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 03:54 PM

The music was by Earl, not Carl Robinson, and the book I quoted gives the Discography ref. Songs of Joe Hill, Joe Glazer, Folkways FA2039, and Bibliography ref. Stavis Barrie and Frank Harmon, The Songs of Joe Hill (Inc. Music) Oak Publications NY, 1960


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 27 Jul 02 - 10:35 PM

Joyce L. Kornbluh in her Rebel Voices: An I.W.W. Anthology (Ann Arbor: U. of Michigan, 1964) prints a reproduction of the funeral program which gives the execution date as Nov 19, 1915.

Is this thread only about this song? Or is it a site for all Joe Hill's songs? I think I submitted a bunch to DT a few years back.
All songs by and about Joe Hill, Jon.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 28 Jul 02 - 06:19 PM

Some more info - including the lyrics to 'Joe Hill's Will' (which may also be in the DT) - at MySongbook


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Brian Hoskin
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 05:52 AM

Lori Elaine Taylor (1993) has written an interesting essay on the song entitled 'Joe Hill Incorporated: We Own Our Past' in Green, A. (Ed.)(1993)Songs about Work: Essays in Occupational Culture pp. 23-36 Bloomington: Indiana University.


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha.
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 08:40 AM

A great song, I have Paul Robeson,and Joan Baez singing it, and a very good rendering by Paddy Reilly. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 03:56 PM

JOE HILL'S LAST WILL
by Joe Hill

My will is easy to decide
For I have nothing to divide
My kin don't need to weep and moan
Moss does not cling to a rolling stone

My body? oh, if I could choose
I would to ashes it reduce
And let the merry breezes blow
My dust to where some flowers grow

Perhaps some fading flower then
Would soon rise up and grow green again
This is my last and final will
Good luck to all of you,
                        Joe Hill

_____________
Joel Hagglund (Joseph Hillstrom, Joe Hill) emigrated from Sweden
to the US in 1902. He was executed in 1915. He was prominent in
the Wobblies.
@work @union @IWW
filename[ JOHIWILL
Tune file : JOHIWILL

CLICK TO PLAY
SOF



PLEASE NOTE: Because of the volunteer nature of The Digital Tradition, it is difficult to ensure proper attribution and copyright information for every song included. Please assume that any song which lists a composer is copyrighted ©. You MUST aquire proper license before using these songs for ANY commercial purpose. If you have any additional information or corrections to the credit or copyright information included, please e-mail those additions or corrections to us (along with the song title as indexed) so that we can update the database as soon as possible. Thank You.

Any corrections, notes?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 04:59 PM

Looks like the Digital Tradition has a number of songs written by Joe Hill. I see no need to post each song here. If anyone has these songs in a reliable printed source, please compare with what we have and post a message reporting if there are or are not discrepancies - also note that we need tunes for some of these songs.
-Joe Offer-
Art Thieme posted Joe Hill's "Rebel Girl" in this thread (click). Any other Joe Hill songs that have been posted? Anybody want to post more?


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Subject: Lyrics Correction: Casy Jones - Union Scab
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:05 AM

I think I'd suggest just a slight correction in the DT lyrics for "Casey Jones - Union Scab." There's a word spelled wrong, and the first line of the last verse doesn't quite work in the DT version. My transcription is from Folk Songs of Work and Protest, by Edith Fowke and Joe Glazer.
-Joe Offer-
CASEY JONES - UNION SCAB
(Joe Hill)

The Workers on the S. P. line to strike sent out a call;
But Casey Jones, the engineer, he wouldn't strike at all;
His boiler it was leaking, and its drivers on the bum,
And his engine and its bearings, they were all out of plumb.

Casey Jones kept his junk pile running;
Casey Jones was working double time;
Casey Jones got a wooden medal,
For being good and faithful on the S.P. line.

The workers said to Casey: "Won't you help us win this strike ? " *
But Casey said: "Let me alone, you'd better take a hike."
Then Casey's wheezy engine ran right off the worn-out track,
And Casey hit the river with an awful crack.

Casey Jones hit the river bottom;
Casey Jones broke his blooming spine;
Casey Jones was an Angeleno,
He took a trip to heaven on the S. P. line.

When Casey Jones got up to heaven to the Pearly Gate,
He said: "I'm Casey Jones, the guy that pulled the S. P. freight."
"You're just the man," said Peter, "our musicians went on strike;
You can get a job a-scabbing any time you like."

Casey Jones got a job in heaven;
Casey Jones was doing mighty fine;
Casey Jones went scabbing on the angels,
Just like he did to workers on the S. P. line.

The angels got together and they said it wasn't fair
For Casey Jones to go around a-scabbing everywhere.
The Angels' Union No. 23 they sure were there,
And they promptly fired Casey down the Golden Stair.

Casey Jones went to Hell a-flying;
Casey Jones, the Devil said, "Oh fine;
Casey Jones, get busy shoveling sulfur
That's what you get for scabbing on the S.P. Line."

* alternate:
The workers said to Casey: "Won't you help us win this strike ?"
Casey said, "Let me alone, you'd better take a hike!"
Then someone put a bunch of railroad ties across the track,
And Casey hit the river with an awful smack.

@parody @union @train @work
IWW songbook 1912 edition
filename[ UNCASJON
Tune file : UNCASJON

CLICK TO PLAY
RG


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Willa
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 05:10 PM

Joe, The version I have(Songs of Struggle and Protest, J McDonnell) is the same as that in your post 12.05am
The only difference is in chorus 2, which is given as "Casey Jones *became* an Angeleno.


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: OldPossum
Date: 26 Sep 02 - 12:22 PM

There are a couple of Joe Hill songs in this thread. The one called SHOULD I EVER BE A SOLDIER does not seem to be in the DigiTrad (at least not in the on-line version), despite the harvesting "birdie" (is that what you call the ^^ symbol?).
Yours,
OldPossum


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: Francy
Date: 26 Sep 02 - 02:56 PM

I Have a copy of the book "Songs Of Joe Hill" words and music to 23 songs of his.....An Oak Publication edited by Barrie Stavis and Frank Harmon...If you need any of the songs let me know and I'll send them..First published ihn 1955 I think......Frank of Toledo


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Subject: RE: DTStudy: Songs of Joe Hill
From: mack/misophist
Date: 27 Sep 02 - 05:25 AM

But where is Joe Hill today when we need him? Over the years management has co-opted and pre-empted the unions till now they are ghosts; ghosts who ask the boss when to say boo. It's called a management union and the hills are full of them.


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