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Subject: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 01 Jul 02 - 01:30 PM

I'm pleased to announce that my new CD "Time Ashore is Over" is finally finished!

This is a recording of sea shanties and sea songs featuring a chorus of shanty singers from San Francisco's Hyde Street Pier. Also featured is "Out of the Rain" - I reunited the original members of my former band to record three new songs. The CD is also a celebration of the 20th anniversary of the monthly shanty sings at Hyde Street Pier.

Track list:
1. Heave Away Cheerily, O!
2. Away Susana!
3. The Apprentice Boy
4. The Grimsby Lads
5. Hooker John
6. The Ocean Queen
7. Saltpetre Shanty
8. Bound to Australia
9. Billy O'Shea
10. Firing the Mauritania
11. Jackie Tar
12. Roller Bowler
13. Ilo Man
14. Morning Shanty
15. Rolly Boys Roll
16. Time Ashore is Over

Anyone interested in ordering by mail can write to me at the address or e-mail shown below. Cost of the CD for mail orders is $17 (this includes tax and shipping costs). IThis info is for orders in the USA. I have not calculated overseas shipping yet because postage rates are increasing here in the States.

Richard Adrianowicz
604 Irving Street, # 1
San Francisco, CA 94122
radriano@consrv.ca.gov



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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Jul 02 - 01:53 PM

Congratulations, Richard! It's a long and arduous process which is inadequately described by any shanty that I know.

Roll & Go's first CD is still mired in that process; I'm meeting with a design consultant today to see what she can suggest for improving our print copy.

Still looking forward to singing with you and Chantyranger in September in the Bay area.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Barry Finn
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 10:23 PM

Congrats radriano, it's been a long time coming, great things are always worth the wait. Hey out there, I have inside info that this is a CD worth it's weight in fairy gold dust. Such a deal. Barry


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: DonMeixner
Date: 02 Jul 02 - 11:37 PM

Hi Richard,

Great news. I really enjoyed the process to do our CD, "Finally". Hope your was as much fun to do as ours.

Don


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Noreen
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 07:22 AM

Very interesting... let me know how I can get a copy on this side of the pond please, Richard.


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 10:48 PM

I'm more than a little biased here.... it's REALLY GOOD! As Radriano would say: "Sounds like a weiner!"

chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 03 Jul 02 - 11:18 PM

Congratulations! I know exactly what you mean. It may be a labor of love, but it's still labor.

I am glad to hear of yet another Shanty band keeping the tradition alive, as well.


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: GUEST,Melani
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 12:32 PM

I just heard it entirely for the first time two days ago. It's got great versions of songs you don't hear everyday. Everyone should get a copy immediately!


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 05:15 PM

I've been enjoying my complimentary copy for the last week in the van. Richard, you've got some nice arrangements here of less familiar sea songs. I'm still puzzling over "Ilo Man" which reminds me of our New England "Huckleberry Hunting" in tune and even a number of verses, but the set of verses you found wins hands down.

"Time Ashore is Over" makes a nice closing song; I may steal it, or swap you "Yangtse River"!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 08 Jul 02 - 12:52 PM

Now all you guys and gals are making me blush.

Charley, I also think "Ilo Man" is related to "Huckleberry Hunting" - you can hear it in the melody especially in the version of "Huckleberry Hunting" sung on the new "The Johnson Girls" cd. The melody for "Huckleberry Hunting" found in "Shanties of the Seven Seas" is quite different (Hugill calls the song "Ranzo Way") I got "Ilo Man" from an English shanty band called "The Harry Browns of Bristol" (formerly the Harry Brown Shantymen of Bristol). Unfortunately the liner notes from their album say next to nothing about the songs.


Richard


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 08 Jul 02 - 01:43 PM

I forgot to mention that I do have lyric sheets available for my album. Anyone who wants one can e-mail me at:

radriano@consrv.ca.gov

The lyric sheet file is in MS Word format but I can easily save it as a MAC file as well.

Monetary considerations forced me to be sparse with liner notes but I'd be happy to elaborate on them via e-mail.

Charley, Bob Webb also does a version of Ilo Man on his cd "Bank Trollers." In fact, the info in my liner notes about Ilo Man comes from Bob.

Richard


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jul 02 - 08:58 PM

Currently am plum out of fairy gold dust but will send the required $17. Congratulations, radriano.


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 10:32 AM

Richard, you have some nice strong leads on this recording. I especially like the "hitches" and chorus arrangements for "Away Susanna!", "Hooker John", "Billy O'Shea", and "Roller Bowler". I bet they'd sound even better on the home stereo system rather than the one in the van but then I'd never get to listen to them!

I always wish for more extensive notes but having had to edit our own draft CD notes down to a few spare sentences makes me empathetic but equally frustrated.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 12:05 PM

Charley, thanks for your kind words. The chorus arrangements for the shanties are pretty organic - except for a couple of instances I did very little arranging. Initially I recorded all the songs solo so that my chorus singers could get used to my phrasings (and my idosyncracies). In the final sessions everything was done live which meant that recording took a bit longer but what really brought out the best balance was the work of my sound engineer, Michael Harmon. After a few verses of a song Michael would stop us and direct specific chorus singers to move their positions relative to the microphones. Michael was also very good about letting singers (myself especially) know when they were out of tune.

The sea songs done with my former band Out of the Rain were quite a different story. We were known for very tight three part harmony singing - we used to spend several hours of rehearsal going over one line of one song. As it happened, one of the band members was just about to move out of the SF Bay Area so we had to throw together those arrangements rather quickly.

Richard


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 10 Jul 02 - 11:55 PM

Semi thread creep here. While on the subject of Out Of The Rain, I'm going to put a plug in for Radriano's work with that group, briefly re-united for this recording. They were one of the bay area's finest folk groups in the 1980's, (in an area rich in folk performers) and their two recordings are very well worth having. The vocal arrangements are intricate and careful, but sound simple to the ear - never overdone. I find their second tape, "Song Of The Wage Slave," to be downright addictive.

chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 03:42 AM

Congratulations, radriano and I'll be sending my check in right away, too. Really looking forward to it, esp. with the recommends and comments in this thread!

How do we get copies of your former band's tapes, too? I am of the mind a body can never have enough Mudcatter CD's and tapes.*g*

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 12:49 PM

Katlaughing, I do still have cassette copies of Song of the Wage Slave - Out of the Rain's first cassette A Common Treasury is temporarily out of print. I was hoping to turn both of these into CDs but first I have to dig myself out of the financial hole the new shanty CD put me in.

Song of the Wage Slave is available from me for $12 (including postage)(see address posted earlier in this thread). One of the special features of this recording is poems set to music by one of the band members, Marla Fibish. The title track is, of course, a Robert Service poem and the other two are There Came a Day by poet Ted Hughes and Joe Whitaker by poet Don West. Marla and her husband Jamie now run the Adelphian Center for the Arts in Alameda, California, which provides another venue for concerts and dances in the SF Bay Area.

Richard

P.S. Chanteyranger, you'll get your twenty dollars Saturday, okay? Good job on the plugs, buddy!


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 05:09 PM

Geez, Richard (everyone else please ignore), I only got a complimentary CD and it ain't even got your autograph on it. I didn't know there was such big money in nautical rave reviews.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Barry Finn
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 08:38 PM

Hi radriano. Thanks for the copy. It came a few days back, what a great unexpected treasure. It's been sharing my office, my truck & my house & my kids (note here, not my wife) were getting pretty pissed at me for cutting into their music time. That was until they both finally took some notice & said that they knew some of the songs & both started singing parts of the chorus & giggling. It's not to often that they'll let me play a CD the whole way through, without some kind of snide remark, it's never that they'd stand for a couple of replays. I guess you're a hit with them, damn something I haven't been able to accomplish since they were young'ens. It's really a real keeper, great job & well done & thanks. It's good to hear your voice again from coast to coast.
Barry


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jul 02 - 08:57 PM

Well, I finally got the time to give a serious listen to Richard's CD. It sounds just like he sounds in person - solid, unaffected, bringing out all the meaning and beauty of a song. It's an absolute pleasure to listen to Richard's singing.
Hey, and he's a nice guy, too. thanks, Richard. Might you think of posting your lyrics here in this thread?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 12:02 AM

Thanks, Richard, I will send you a check for both.


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 12:08 AM

$20??? Hey, Radriano, you omitted a couple of digits. I though we had a deal, man! :-0


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 03:27 PM

Man, you guys just warm the cockles of my heart.

Joe, are you really suggesting that I post the lyrics to all 16 songs in this thread? Or did I misunderstand what you were saying? I haven't checked but I'll bet that some of these songs are already in the DT. I'll be happy to post them if people really want me to.

Barry, I'm glad you and your family are enjoying the music. You know it takes a West Coast singer to have that kind of effect on people. Seriously though, it was a real feather in my cap to have your melifluous voice on some of the cuts.

Chanteyranger, when I mentioned an arrangement I was talking about the lyrics to Billy O'Shea, man. I thought I was being generous with the $20. See where being a nice guy gets you?


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Noreen
Date: 12 Jul 02 - 06:45 PM

The only way I can think of for getting this wonderful CD is to send dollar bills through the post, which obviously has security implications. Any better ideas? Please?


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 11:45 AM

refresh


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Subject: Lyr Add: AWAY, SUSANNA!
From: radriano
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 12:07 PM

I've had several requests for lyrics for the songs on my cd. As suggested by Joe Offer, I'll offer lyrics for each of the songs in separate posts to this thread. I was forced to be very sparse in my liner notes so this is a grand opportunity for more complete notes on the songs.

AWAY, SUSANNA!
sheet shanty

Shanghaied in San Francisco, we fetched up in Bombay
They set us afloat in an old lease boat that steered like a bale of hay

Chorus:
Then away, Susanna, my fair maid
Oho, ye New York girls, can't ye dance the polka

We panted in the tropics whilst the pitch boiled up on deck
We've saved our hides, little else besides, from an ice-cold North Sea wreck

We drank our rum in Portland, we've thrashed through the Behring Strait
An' we toed the mark on a Yankee barque with a hard-case down-east mate

We know the quays of Glasgow, an' the boom of the lone Azores
We've had our grub from a salt-horse tub, condemned by the Navy stores

We know the track to Auckland an' the light of the Kinsale Head
An' we crept close-hauled while the leadsman called the depth of the channel bed

We know the streets of Santos, the river at Saigon
We've had our glass with a Chinese lass in Ship Street in Hong Kong

They'll pay us off in London, then it's oh, for a spell ashore
Then again we'll ship for a southern trip in a week or hardly more

'Tis goodbye, Sal an' Lucy, 'tis time we were afloat
With a straw-stuffed bed, an' achin' head, a knife an' an oilskin coat

Sing "Time For Us To Leave Her", sing "Bound For The Rio Grande"
An' when the tug turns back, we'll follow her track for a last long look at the land

An' when the purple disappears an' only the blue is seen
That'll take our bones to Davy Jones an' our souls to Fiddler's Green

Away, Susanna! is straight out of Stan Hugill's Shanties From the Seven Seas. On my recording I left out the sixth verse and put in a fiddle break in it's place. I love shanties that mention different ports and this song was especially appropriate because San Francisco is mentioned. Away, Susanna! is the shanghai version of Can't Ye Dance the Polka, the well known song about the sailor who gets drunk and is cheated out of his money and clothes.

Notes from Hugill's book:

This capstan song has many versions of the words, both those of the verses and chorus, and the song probably started life in the Western Ocean Packets about the thirties or forties of the last century, when the polka reached America from Bohemia. The tune is thought to be that of an Irish air Larry Doolan, and one version does start with a verse from this ballad:

My name is Larry Doolan, Oi'm a native of the soil,
If yer want a day's diversion, bhoys,
Oi'll drive ye out in stoile

The words of the chorus give room for speculation. In my more modern first version the first lines of the chorus run:

Then away Susanna, my fair maid…

These words I've heard sung by Charlie Evans, a fine shantyman, one-time member of the crew of the Yankee ship , by Chenoworth ex-Mount Stewart, A. Spencer, ex-Monogahela, who had learnt it from a German stevedore in 'Frisco, and many other 'modern' sailing-ship men.

The older Packet ship words were:
Away you Santi, my dear honey…
or
Away you Santi, my dear Annie…

Sometimes too one would hear 'Away you Johnnie, my dear honey' or 'my fair man' (Bullen), but in the main 'Santi' was sung. Now no one has ever given a real reason, or meaning, for this word; it just appears to be a meaningless name of some sort. I thought so too, until I came across a version giving 'Away you Santa, my dear Anna' and the explanation became clear - the mysterious 'Santi' or 'Santa' being nothing more than the two first syllables or our friend 'Santi-anna' or 'Santa'anna' or, as it was usually written, 'Santiana'!

My first version of Away, Susanna was invariably sung to the 'shanhaied in San Francisco' theme. Charlie Evans, Arthur Spence, Bosun Chenoworth, 'Artie', an A.B. of the New Zealand brigantine Aratapu, and many other shipmates of mine all sang these words. However, I believe that these verses are of comparatively recent date and that they came from a poem (the author of which I have never discovered). Probably some versatile shantyman thought them 'just the job' and spliced them to the old Packet Rat shanty. Nevertheless, they were accepted and sung by hundreds of shantymen in the latter days of sail. Every sailing-ship man I ever knew was acquainted with them.



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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: DADGBE
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 06:11 PM

For those mudcatters from out of the San Francisco Bay area who may not know about Richard, his music and he have been an inspiration for many of us locals for more than 20 years. The new recording is a joy as are all the old ones from Out Of The Rain.

Love the CD!!!


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Subject: Lyr Add: BILLY O'SHEA
From: radriano
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 06:46 PM

BILLY O'SHEA

Oh, we all got drunk in Dublin City
Ch: Fall down, me Billy
We all got drunk and oh, what a pity
Ch: Fall down, Billy O'Shea

Full Chorus:
Fall down, fall down
Fall down, me Billy
We're bound away for Americay
Fall down, Billy O'Shea

We all got drunk on the Rogerson's quay
And when we awoke we were all at sea

Oh, we're not sailors, Captain Drew
And a bit unhappy to work for you

The Captain said, "I've a cure for that"
"And here for a start is a dose of the cat"

He sent him up to the top mast yard
When he hit the deck, well, he hit it hard

We wrapped him up in a canvas sail
And we lowered him gently o'er the rail

Over the side and down he goes
He's gone to Davy Jones with a stitch through his nose

Farewell, farewell, farewell, me Billy
For I am bound for Americay


I first heard about this shanty on the Mudcat Café Forum. Click on the thread below to see the discussion.

Shanty:Billy O'Shea

In addition to the lyrics found at the Mudcat postings I bought a recording of the song by the Whigamaleeries on their cassette titled Tall Ships and Graeme Knights was kind enough to provide me with the melody and lyrics he sings (I also bought a copy of his cd Echoes from Afar that has Billy O'Shea on it as soon as it was released). As it turned out I liked Dan Milner's melody better but the lyrics I sing are compiled from all the versions I found. According to Pete MacNab's post in the thread on Billy O'Shea there was originally no full chorus. By the way, I highly recommend Graeme Knight's recording Echoes from Afar. In addition to some great singing by Graeme the album features a stellar chorus which includes Johnny Collins, Dave Webber and Anni Fentiman, among others.

Radriano


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 02:49 PM

I am pleased to announce that my cd Time Ashore is Over will soon be available in the UK from the Chantey Cabin website. The album will also be available online in the US at the Wooden Ships Music site.

Richard


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Jul 02 - 03:16 PM

Richard-

If you could post your lyrics to "Hooker John" and "Roller Bowler", along with your more extensive notes, I would greatly appreciate it. You certainly nailed these two shanties!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: EBarnacle1
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 12:10 PM

I phoned Gus over at Wooden Ships and he didn't have the CD in yet. Please send him some copies so he can sell them for you.


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 01:48 PM

EBarnacle,

My earlier post should have been worded "will soon be available at the Wooden Ships site." Copies were mailed off to them last week - they may not have received them yet.

Cheers,
Richard


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Subject: Lyr Add: HOOKER JOHN
From: radriano
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 02:02 PM

HOOKER JOHN

Oh, me Mary she's a sailor's lass
Chorus:To me Hooker John, me Hoo-John!
We sported all day on the grass
Chorus:To me Hooker John, me Hoo-John!

Full Chorus:
Ch: Way Susanna
Solo: Oh, way, hay, high high-ya
Ch: Johnny's on the foreyard
Ch: Yonder, way up yonder

Oh, me Susie's she's a sailor's gal
She's nine foot high that gal's so tall

Oh, me Flora she's a hoosier's friend
She's beamy round the old beam end

Oh, Sally Brown she's the gal for me
She court's a bit when her man's at sea

Oh, haul away for Mobile Bay
Oh, haul away and make yer pay


I can't remember where I heard this shanty first. It's been recorded by Pint & Dale on their album Port of Dreams and by Graeme Knights on his album Echo from Afar. There is also a shanty album from England titled Hooker John that I have not heard but I can't remember who put it out. The lyrics I use are the same ones Pint & Dale sing, I think, with the exception of the last verse which I lifted from the Graeme Knights cd. We had a great fun recording this one, not only because it's a great song but we all began laughing uncontrollably when one of the chorus singers started singing "Johnny's on the foreskin, yonder, way up yonder."

My sparse liner notes info comes from the Encyclopedia of Nautical Knowledge by W.A McEwen and A.H. Lewis published by Cornell Maritime Press, Cambridge, Maryland. Their definition of hooker is:

Hooker. (Du. hoeker, fishing-vessel; from hoek, hook) An old-time fishing-boat with one mast, common to Irish and southern English coasts. Any vessel usually fishing with lines and hooks, also termed liner. Sailor's depreciative term for a clumsy, old-fashioned vessel; as the hooker leaks like a basket; often applied fondly; as, we prefer to stay on board the hooker.

Here's a definition from The Oxforrd Companion to Ships & the Sea, edited by Peter Kemp and published by Oxford University Press, London, New York, Melbourne, 1976:

Hooker, a development of the original ketch, a short, tubby little vessel with main and mizenmasts, originally square-rigged on the main and with a small topsail above a fore-and-aft sail hoisted on a gaff on the mizzen. She usually set two jibs on a high steeved bowsprit. She was a fishing vessel, and probably, as her name suggests, was used mainly for line fishing. She became a distinct type of vessel in her own right, as opposed to the generic ketch, early in the 18th century. The rig was much favoured by Dutch fishing craft. The name is also used, slightly contemptuously, for any vessel when she grows old and has lost her early bloom, or perhaps has come down a bit in the maritime world.

And, finally, as I found out from Pint & Dale, Hooker John is in Stan Hugill's Shanties from the Seven Seas. Here are the notes from Stan's book:

"Captain Whall gives a verse and chorus called Ooker John in his book Sea Songs and Shanties. From my Barbadian friend Harding [he had the colorful name of Harding the Barbadian Barbarian] I learnt a similar capstan shanty, but he sang Hooker John, and he said that it was still popular in the West Indies (1931). It probably originated as a cotton-stower's song. Whall gives:

O my Mary she's a blooming lass,
Ch: To my Ooker John, my Oo-John,
O my Mary she's a blooming lass,
Ch: To my Ooker John, my Oo-John,
Full Chorus:
Way, fair lady, O way-ay-ay-ay-ay,
My Mary's on the highland,
O yonder's Mary - yonder…

and judging from these words it looks as though, in spite of the Negro tune and the way the refrains are worded, some Scotsman or North Countryman had a hand in this version. The tune of the solo lines is similar to that of Roll the Cotton Down.

Richard


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 08:51 PM

Nice meaty notes, Richard. Thanks!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 11:54 AM

I spoke with Gus Pedersen who runs the Wooden Ships website via e-mail yesterday. He has not yet received my CDs yet and he is about to go away for a week so my recording won't be available through him for at least a couple of weeks yet. To complicate matters, this is how he handles new releases: He asked me to send him three copies initially. One for scanning and for music samples and two for inventory. When he sells the two copies he'll pay my invoice and then order additional copies for inventory.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. I'm looking into other outlets for online availability and if anyone has suggestions I would gladly welcome the information. I did leave a message with Camsco Music but have not heard back from them yet.

Richard (radriano)


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 05:14 PM

Have you looked into www.cdbaby? Someone else on the Mudcat uses them, if I remember correctly. As a customer, I was really pleased with their service and they have a great sense of humour, PLUS a designated FOLK section!*g* I am eagerly awaiting my CD and tape, sent the check out a few days ago. Thanks!


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Subject: Lyr Add: ROLLER BOWLER
From: radriano
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 05:45 PM

ROLLER BOWLER
Alternate title: Good Morning, Ladies All

As I rolled out one mornin'
Ch:Hurrah, you roller bowler!
As I rolled out one mornin'
I met a dou-dou fair
Ch:Timme, hey-rig-a-jig an' a ha-ha
Good morning ladies all

Full Chorus:
And hurrah, you roller bowler
Timme, hey-rig-a-jig an' a ha-ha!
Good mornin', ladies all

Oh, I met her once in Liverpool
Oh, I met her once in Liverpool
That saucy gal of mine

Oh, the first time that I saw her
Oh, the first time that I saw her
'Twas down in Parkee Lane

She winked and tipped her flipper
She winked and tipped her flipper
She thought I was a Mate

But when she found that I was skint
But when she found that I was skint
She left me standing there

I squared me yards an' sailed away
I squared me yards an' sailed away
An' to the ship I went

The last time that I saw her
The last time that I saw her
Was down the waterside

Oh, you ladies short and ladies tall
Oh, you ladies short and ladies tall
I love you one and all


My version of this shanty is a combination of some of the verses from Barry Finn and the setting that Shay Black sings. I first heard of this song from Barry Finn (minus the full chorus) who got it from Polish shanty singer Marek Siurawski. I had heard that Shay Black sang it too but with a full chorus. I heard Shay's version when he, chanteyranger, myself, Skip Henderson, and Jim Nelson sang some shanties for the dedication of the new MUNI (local light rail) F-Line which ends up a block away from Hyde Street Pier in San Francisco. Shay Black told me that he used to sing Roller Bowler when he lived in Liverpool and was singing with the band Stormalong John. I believe Shay learned the song from Stan Hugill who used Stormalong John as his shanty chorus for one of his concert tours. You can hear Shay singing the song on Stormalong John's cd Liverpool, a re-release of songs from earlier cassette tapes they had made. There is no indication on the Liverpool cd of who is in the band but there's no mistaking Shay's distinctive voice and he confirmed that it was indeed he on that recording. There is also a recording of Roller Bowler sung by Shay Black on a cd of a French sea music festival, Les Musiques De La Fete: Brest '92. It's too bad Barry Finn never has recorded it because he does a wonderful job on it.

I had fun with the "timme!" yells in the chorus. I sing the yells as solo lines simply because I like the way it sounds - it's not traditional to do it that way. It was Skip Henderson who told me that he had read that Stan Hugill thought very highly of this shanty. Hugill certainly doesn't say so in Shanties from the Seven Seas:

"Another shanty which uses the expression 'high-rig-a-jig' is the capstan song Roller Bowler which appears to me to be another of the Negro-Irish type of sailor work-song. I picked up my version out in Trinidad. Sharp's version, the only one in print until now, seems to be a Liverpool shanty although he collected it in Bristol, I think. Anyhow it is definitely a shanty that was sung aboard of the West Indian Sugar and Rum Traders, since it was well known by most of my West Indian shipmates. Sharp gives an introductory chorus."

radriano


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Jul 02 - 03:13 PM

What joy, what joy! Although if I transcribed "Roller Bowler" from your CD, Richard, I might have come up with some interesting new wording.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 11:36 AM

Dear Katlaughing,

Thanks for the tip about www.cdbaby (see katlaughing's earlier post in this thread for the link). I sent off a supply of CDs to them over the weekend. They seemed pretty decent.

Thanks!
Richard


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Subject: Lyr Add: TIME ASHORE IS OVER (Bill Meek)
From: radriano
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 05:56 PM

I originally got this song from local singer Dick Holdstock. When I contacted author Bill Meek (via John Conolly) to get his permission to record he sent me a lyric sheet which was a bit different from what I had learned. I had glanced at it and thought that I had the correct lyrics probably based on looking at the first two verses but Bill often re-visits his songs and re-writes words and phrases so I'm not sure at this point which set of lyrics came first. Here are the lyrics Bill Meek sent to me followed by what I am singing:



TIME ASHORE IS OVER
Words and music by Bill Meek

I'm standing on the dockside wall
Ch: Sailing on the evening tide
Waiting for the skipper's call
Ch: Time ashore, bright hours ashore
Ch: Time ashore is over

And Sally's watching as I go
Tearfilled eyes, two kids in tow

But what of her when I'm Iceland bound?
Will she be true or gad around?

For I can't recall when she was mine
For more than three days at a time

I'll think of her when the nets go out
Me heart is sure but me head's in doubt

For when you're trapped on the northern sea
It's a thousand miles of uncertainty

Better men that I have lost their all
Through following this cursed trawl


TIME ASHORE IS OVER
As sung by R. Adrianowicz

I am standing on the dockyard wall
Ch: Sailing on the evening tide
Waiting for the skipper's call
Ch: Time ashore, bright hours ashore
Ch: Time ashore is over

Sally watching as I go
Tear filled eyes, two kids in tow

And what of her when we're outward bound
Will she be true or gad around

I can't recall when she was mine
For more than two days at a time

When you're out on the northern sea
It's a thousand miles of uncertainty

I think of her when the nets go out
My heart is sure but my head's in doubt

Life or love I could lose it all
For following this cursed trawl

Bill Meek's notes from his lyric sheet: I wrote this "shanty" for the Fishing Heritage Centre production Here's to the Grimsby Lads. Once at sea, fishermen were a world away from wives and families, and just like those back home, they too had their worries.

Radriano


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Subject: Lyr Add: BOUND TO AUSTRALIA
From: radriano
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 02:05 PM

BOUND TO AUSTRALIA

I'm leaving old Ireland, the land that I love
And I'm bound far across the sea
Oh, I'm bound for Australia, the land of the free
Where there'll be a welcome for me

Chorus:
So fill up yer glasses an' drink what ye please
For whatever the damage I'll pay
So be aisy an' free, whilst yer drinkin' wid me
Sure I'm a man you don't meet every day!

When I board me ship for the south'ard to go
She'll be lookin' so trim an' so fine
And I'll land me aboard, with me bags and me stores
From the dockside they'll cast off each line

To Land's End we'll tow, with our boys all so tight
Wave a hearty goodbye to the shore
And we'll drink the last drop to our country's green land
And the next day we'll curse our sore heads

We'll then drop the tug, and sheet tops'ls home taut
And the hands will crowd sail upon sail
With a sou'wester strong, boys, we'll just tack along
By the morn many jibs will turn pale

We'll beat past the Ushant and then down the Bay
Where the west wind it blows fine an' strong
We'll soon get the Trades and we should make good time
To the south'ard then we'll roll along

Round the Cape we will roll, take our flyin' kites in
For the Forties will sure roar their best
And then run our Eastin' with yards all set square
With the wind roaring out of the west

We'll then pass Cape Looin all shipshape and trim
Then head up for Adelaide Port
Off Semaphore roads we will there drop our hook
And ashore, boys, we'll head for some sport


Another song from Stan Hugill's Shanties from the Seven Seas. I changed the first line of the song from "I'm leaving Old England.." to "I'm leaving Old Ireland…" because I felt that the chorus words had an Irish feel to them, especially the "Sure I'm a man…" in the last line of the chorus. I tend not to sing in dialect so I'm not singing exactly what is in Hugill's book. I also left out the last two verses.

Of course there's the well known song Jock Stewart in the DT which is described as "an Irish narrative ballad that has been shortened to an Aberdeenshire drinking song." There are a few threads at Mudcat about this, here, here and here. These threads are mostly about the Jock Stewart / I'm A Man You Don't Meet Every Day songs that don't have nautical verses. Bound to Australia also uses a different melody, a variant of Believe Me If All Those Endearing Young Charms.

Here's what Hugill has to say about Bound to Australia:

An old song known to most Irish and Liverpool-Irish seamen was Bound to Australia, sung to the air I'm a man ye don't meet every day - a variant of Believe me if all those endearing young charms. It was not a true forebitter perhaps, although it was sung in the dog-watches in the old sailing ships; but I never heard that it was used as a capstan shanty until I read in Doerflinger's Shantymen and Shantyboys that according to Captain P. Tayleur it was often sung by seamen in the Australian Emigrant Trade as the 'hove in their mooring lines' and 'brought the anchor to the hawse-pipe'. Captain Tayleur calls his song The First of the Emigrants and in the main it is the same as mine, which I had from old Paddy Griffiths. Gold was found in Australia in 1851 and from that time onwards for the rest of the century sailing ships packed to the scuppers with emigrants and gold-seekers headed for the 'Colonies'. No doubt it lent itself to being a fine capstan song.

Richard (Radriano)


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 04:21 PM

It's a nicely done CD. If you insist on paying with plastic, you can order it through CAMSCO Music 800/548-FOLK (3655)


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Subject: RE: New sea music cd, Time Ashore is Over
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 04:59 PM

Ah, good, Richard! There ya go, CAMSCO and CDBaby!

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: Lyr Add: JACKIE TAR (from Roy Palmer)
From: radriano
Date: 26 Jul 02 - 12:38 PM

JACKIE TAR
The Oxford Book of Sea Songs, Roy Palmer, editor

When Jack had pulled the oar and the boat was gone
And the lassie on the shore with her head hanging down
The tears stood in her eyes and her bosom heaving sighs
Farewell, my dear, she cries, with your trousers on
Farewell, said he, I go to sea, and you must stay behind
But do not grieve, for while I live I ever will be kind
And when I come to land you will meet me on the strand
And welcome Jackie Tar with his trousers on

Now peace is proclaimed and the wars are all o'er
The fleets they are moored and the sailors come ashore
Now you may see her stand with a glass into her hand
To welcome Jack to land with his trousers on
While up on high, she catched his eye with all her lovely charms
Her face he knew and straight he flew and caught her in his arms
Her hand he kindly pressed as he held her round the waist
And he kissed the bonny lassie with his trousers on

O Jack, where have you been since you went from me
And what have you seen upon the raging sea
I mourned for your sake while my heart was like to break
For I thought I'd never see my Jack with his trousers on
And while you stayed I sighed and prayed to Neptune and to Mars
That they would prove kind and send you home safe from the wars
And now to my request they have been pleased to list
And sent you to my breast with your trousers on

I have sailed the seas for you to the Torrid Zone
From the confines of Peru to Van Diemen's Land
From the Bay of Baltimore to the coast of Labrador
But now I'm safe on shore with my trousers on
I have beat the storms in many forms upon the raging main
I have fought the foes with deadly blows and many a hero slain
I have heard the cannons road, I have rolled in blood and gore
But now I'm safe on shore with my trousers on

I have been aloft when the winds have blown
And I have been aloft when the bombs were thrown
But like a sailor bold I have now come from the hold
With my pockets full of gold and my trousers on
And now no more from shore to shore I'll plough the raging seas
But free from strife as man and wife we'll live in peace and ease
To the church this couple hied and the priest the knot has tied
And the sailor kissed his bride with his trousers on


I was intrigued by the lyrics for this song and by the way every verse ended with the phrase "with his trousers on." I was also attracted to it because the song bears the same name and uses the same melody as the hornpipe Jackie Tar. There are some other examples of this sort of thing. Ricky Rackin sings a song titled Off to California to the tune of the hornpipe Off to California and I'm sure there are some others.

Concerning the "with his trousers on" phrase I started a thread on the Mudcat Forum, Jackie Tar Thread, and got a number of interesting interpretations for the phrase. The one I liked best was from Malcolm Douglas:

Roy Palmer had this to say on the subject (Bushes & Briars: Folk Songs Collected by Ralph Vaughan Williams, 1983/1999):

"At the end of the 18th century, when most men wore knee-breeches, sailors (apart from officers) wore trousers, and had been doing so for some fifty years. (Incidentally, the revolutionary French sans-culottes were so called, not because they went about with bare posteriors, but because they, too, wore trousers in preference to breeches). A sailor could easily roll up his wide trousers when decks had to be scrubbed, or seas were breaking over them. The trousers (usually spelled "trowsers" at the time) were often stained with the Stockholm tar used on the standing rigging, and "tarry trousers" were thus the unmistakable badge of the sailor."

Here what Roy Palmer says about this song in his book The Oxford Book of Sea Songs:

[From a broadside sheet] J. Pitts, Printer, Wholesale Toy and Marble Warehouse, 6 Great St Andrew Street, Seven Dials (London).

The sheet was printed between 1819 and 1844, but the ballad probably dates from soon after the end of the American War in 1783. Four oral versions turned up in Aberdeenshire in the early twentieth century, though unfortunately the tunes were not noted. A sailor's hornpipe rhythm was clearly intended for the song, and the hornpipe, 'Jack Tarr', is given here. It was otherwise known as 'The Cuckoo's Nest'.

Richard (Radriano)


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Subject: Lyr Add: GRIMSBY LADS (John Conolly and Bill Meek)
From: radriano
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 12:36 PM

THE GRIMSBY LADS
Words and music by John Conolly and Bill Meek

Chorus

They sail in the cold and the gray of the morning
Leaving their wives and their families behind
Following the fishing, fulfilling their calling
Their charts are all ready the shoals for to find

Chorus:
Here's to the Grimsby lads out at the trawling
Here's to the lads on the billowing deep
Shooting their nets and heaving and hauling
All the night long, and the landsmen asleep

Away to the north where there know will be waiting
Frost and black ice and the lash of the gale
Trawling and hoping and anticipating
A ship bumper-full and safe homeward to sail

From Scotland's gray shore to the cold coast of Iceland
Through White Sea and Faeroe they're working their way
Through Dogger and Forties to stormy Bear Island
Eighteen long hours is the fisherman's day

The nets are inboard and the catch lies a gleaming
There's gutting and washing and packing below
Ten days of fishing and home they'll be steaming
A thousand miles gone and a thousand to go

On Humber's brown water the new sun is gleaming
To the fisherman's prayer the breeze sings the amen
The smoky gray town in the stillness is dreaming
Her sons from the waters return once again


One of my favorite sea songs, originally learned from the Oxford Book of Sea Songs, edited by Roy Palmer. After recording this song, I bought an album of John Conolly and Bill Meek doing their song and I noticed that the second line of the last verse was different from the printed version in Palmer's book. I wrote to John Conolly and he said that both Bill Meek and he have a habit of re-visiting songs occasionally and tinkering with them. They had changed that line from To the fisherman's prayer the breeze sings the amen to Another trip's over, another day's done in a later recording.

Black ice (in the 2nd verse) refers to sea ice that is clear enough to show the color of the water underneath, nearly invisible and thus dangerous. The place names in the 3rd verse bear some explaining: the White Sea is north of Archangel in the Soviet Union; Faeroe refers to the Faeroe Islands, a group of Danish islands (540 square miles) in the North Atlantic, between Iceland and the Shetland Islands; Dogger refers to the Dogger Bank, an extensive sand bank in the central North Sea, between England and Denmark, submerged at a depth of 60-120 ft.; the Forties is part of the North Sea, between Scotland and Norway; and Bear Island is to the south of Spitsbergen.

Here are notes about this song from a lyric sheet sent to me by Bill Meek and John Conolly:

"This is one of the first songs we ever wrote together…and it is more popular in 1998 than it was over thirty years ago! We have recently received recordings of it from Holland, Germany, Denmark and Poland. It is a simple tribute to the men who did the toughest job in the world…the deep-sea trawlermen whose triumphs and disasters were an integral part of our growing up, and whose lives we have tried to chronicle in many of our songs."

And here are the notes about this song from Roy Palmer's book:

"Distant water fishing has greatly declined since 1966 when John Conolly and Bill Meek wrote this song, but the skill and hardiness of trawlermen remain the same. Both writers were brought up within smell of Grimsby Docks in England. Conolly, born in 1941, had a grandfather who was a local shipwright. Meek was born in 1937, and his father worked on the docks as a 'lumper' (fish-handler). They set out to write of the trawling industry since they felt that 'the men who did the most dangerous job in the world deserved to be celebrated in song'.

Richard (Radriano)


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Subject: RE: New sea music CD, Time Ashore is Over
From: MartinRyan
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 02:46 PM

Richard

Well done! My copy arrived safely and has just had its first twirl. Great robust singing of a very interesting set of songs.

Regards

p.s. Coincidentally, we had a long run of sea-songs in Ennistymon, during the Willy Clancy Week, recently. Tom Munnelly (who seems to have been there at the birth of the song!) sang "Billy O'Shea" - without a full chorus.


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Subject: RE: New sea music CD, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 03:00 PM

Calling Joe Clone! Calling Joe Clone!

Please replace the first paragraph of my post to this thread titled "Lyric Add: Time Ashore is Over" with the following:


I originally got this song from local singer Dick Holdstock. When I contacted author Bill Meek (via John Conolly) to get his permission to record he sent me a lyric sheet which was a bit different from what I had learned. I had glanced at it and thought that I had the correct lyrics probably based on looking at the first two verses but Bill often re-visits his songs and re-writes words and phrases so I'm not sure at this point which set of lyrics came first. Here are the lyrics Bill Meek sent to me followed by what I am singing:



Thank you!
Richard


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Subject: RE: New sea music CD, Time Ashore is Over
From: radriano
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 05:39 PM

I'm pleased to announce that my cd is now available at the CDBaby website:

CDBaby


Richard (Radriano)


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Subject: Lyr Add: HEAVE AWAY CHEERILY, O! (chantey)
From: radriano
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 06:53 PM

HEAVE AWAY CHEERILY, O!
capstan, pumps and windlass shanty

Oh, the wind is free an' we're bound for sea
Ch: Heave away cheerily o-ho!
The lassies are wavin' to you an' to me
Ch: As off to the south'ard we go, as off to the south'ard we go

Full Chorus:
Sing, me lads, cheerily
Heave, me lads, cheerily
Heave away cheerily o-ho!
For the gold that we prize an' for sunnier skies
Away to the south'ard we go!

They're cryin', Come back, my dear John an' dear Jack
There's water in front an' no door at the back

But we're Johnnies bold who can work for our gold
An' stand a good dousin' wi'out catchin' cold

The gals to the south'ard are bully an' fine
When we gits to Melbourne we'll have a good time

A John he is true to his Sal an' his Sue
So long as he's able to keep 'em in view

We'll heave her up, bullies, an' run her away
We'll soon be a'headin' out on a long lay

This shanty is from Stan Hugill's book Shanties from the Seven Seas. It is shown in Ab, a key with four flats that gives the song an interesting texture while fitting quite nicely within my vocal range. I changed the first three lines of the full chorus into call and response lines. This is not the traditional way to sing the full chorus but I really like the way it sounds. As I look at the book now I see that I have omitted this second verse for some reason:

They're shoutin' goodbye, an' the gals they do cry
So sing up, me darlin's, an' wipe yer tears dry

Here are notes about this shanty from Stan Hugill's book:

Our next 'heave' shanty is Heave Away Cheerily, O!. Only two collections give it. Davis & Tozer give it as capstan, Harlow as both pumps and windlass. Davis & Tozer state that the words and music or their version are 'entirely original'. If by this the editors mean that they composed it then seamen, obviously, must have taken it from their book in 1887 (first edition) and made use of it at sea - a magnificent gesture! For Harlow mentions it having been sung many times aboard his ship. He declares that there were many unprintable verses. I learnt my version from a Geordie shipmate in the twenties.

This [Hugill's verses] is much the same as that of Davis & Tozer. Harlow gives verses 1 and 2 in similar vein, then:

[verse 3]
They're crying, 'Come back, my dear sailor in blue
For no one can fill the place vacant by you

[verse 4]
They love us for money, whoever he be
But when it's all gone we are shanghaied to sea

[verse 5]
Then sing, 'Goodbye Sally, your wonders I'll tell
But when with another, I'll wish you in hell

'Geordie', my friend, always sang the word 'cheerily' as 'cheerilye' in accordance with typical sailor usage when singing any word ending with '-ly'.

The word 'cheerily' mean 'quickly' and was often used at capstan and halyards when exhorting the men to harder efforts … 'Heave away cheerily, me hearties!' … 'Cheerily, lads, hand over hand!' It was used in both the Navy and Merchant Marine and Shakespeare uses it in Act I, Scene I, of his play The Tempest, where the bosun calls out: 'Heigh, my hearts, cheerly, cheerly, my hearts; yare, yare! Take in the topsail…'

'Cheerily' had an opposite number, 'handsomely'. This meant heave or haul slow and steady but appears to have been used more in the Navy than in the Merchant Service.


Richard (Radriano)


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Subject: RE: New sea music CD, Time Ashore is Over
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Jul 02 - 07:38 PM

Wow, first class! Thanks so much, Richard. The CD is wonderful! I love the songs, most unknown to me landlocked as I've been:-), and the harmonies are great, as well as the energy. I've already recommended it to several others.

I have to say....I am even more enamoured of the Out of the Rain tape "Song of the Wage Slave." I am really grateful someone mentioned it. My voice is well-suited for a couple of them and I've already gone looking for lyrics to learn them. The tight harmonies, excellent playing are really lovely and sing to my heart.

Thanks so much for making both of these available.

kat


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