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GUEST,ozmacca 26 Jun 02 - 11:56 PM
GUEST 27 Jun 02 - 12:05 AM
Haruo 27 Jun 02 - 12:13 AM
NicoleC 27 Jun 02 - 12:16 AM
Haruo 27 Jun 02 - 12:16 AM
GUEST,ozmacca 27 Jun 02 - 12:39 AM
Amos 27 Jun 02 - 12:49 AM
GUEST,aussieworried.. 27 Jun 02 - 01:34 AM
GUEST,John Gray @ work 27 Jun 02 - 03:22 AM
SeanM 27 Jun 02 - 03:46 AM
mack/misophist 27 Jun 02 - 10:35 AM
Joe Offer 27 Jun 02 - 11:54 AM
Clinton Hammond 27 Jun 02 - 12:12 PM
GUEST,John Gray @ work 27 Jun 02 - 11:39 PM
Bob Bolton 28 Jun 02 - 12:11 AM
GUEST 28 Jun 02 - 12:26 AM
GUEST,ozmacca 28 Jun 02 - 12:27 AM
allie kiwi 28 Jun 02 - 06:02 AM
Celtic Soul 28 Jun 02 - 07:12 AM
Hrothgar 28 Jun 02 - 08:31 AM
Mrrzy 28 Jun 02 - 01:34 PM
robomatic 28 Jun 02 - 01:45 PM
MMario 28 Jun 02 - 01:45 PM
mack/misophist 28 Jun 02 - 06:17 PM
allie kiwi 28 Jun 02 - 10:40 PM
NicoleC 29 Jun 02 - 02:08 AM
michaelr 29 Jun 02 - 02:31 AM
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Subject: US Opinions about Oz
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 26 Jun 02 - 11:56 PM

One of our opposition members of parliament is currently in the headlines because he called our glorious leader an "arse-licker" in public - and refuses to back down. Isn't the quality of language used by our elected leaders wonderful?

He said this because Howard's recent address to Pres. Bush and the US Congress has been described as the worse bit of toadying by an Aussie politician to anybody since we got involved in Vietnam. Howard is standing by his speech........ (Australia is America's closest friend and ally, and we'll be right behind you all the way, so please don't worry about your subsidies to your farmers hurting our trade and we'll be right behind you when you hit Iran kind of stuff)

Now while this may not seem particularly important to the US, I wonder whether any US Catters would say that the american people are very much interested in :

A - What ANY Aussie politician thinks (assuming they do - which is doubtful)?

B - Whether Oz participation does, or can, make much difference to US policy in general?

C - Aussie alliance with US foreign policy?

D - Aussie attitudes to US local presence?

E - Whether the US Free Trade policy we hear about is intended to apply to US imports, as well as their exports?

F - Whether Oz could be included in terrorist targets in retaliation for our commitment to the US?

G - And finally, did anybody know Howard was over there on 9/11 visiting Washington DC, as well as a couple of weeks back - and does anybody in the US care?


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 12:05 AM

Ozmacca, I prefer Phillip Adams' description in the 'Weekend Australian': 'Sycophancy isn't the word. Try psychophancy wherein obsequiousness becomes a medical condition and the volume of piss in the presidential pocket suggests a complete lack of bladder control'.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: Haruo
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 12:13 AM

No disrespect is intended in the following responses (and I'm really not sure what D refers to):

A - What ANY Aussie politician thinks (assuming they do - which is doubtful)?

You have politicians, too? Oh, of course you do. The only thing I recall is they don't want to give a bunch of reparations to the aboriginal folks, and they want to send all the boat people back to Nauru where they came from.
B - Whether Oz participation does, or can, make much difference to US policy in general?
Well, every time we can get putatively English-speaking armed forces to do some of our chores, sure, it's helpful.
C - Aussie alliance with US foreign policy?
Actually, we want the New Zealanders in there with us, too.

D - Aussie attitudes to US local presence?

Not sure what you mean.

E - Whether the US Free Trade policy we hear about is intended to apply to US imports, as well as their exports?

One thing at a time.

F - Whether Oz could be included in terrorist targets in retaliation for our commitment to the US?

Sure. Why not?

G - And finally, did anybody know Howard was over there on 9/11 visiting Washington DC, as well as a couple of weeks back - and does anybody in the US care?

Somebody probably knew. Don't think he made it to Seattle or I'd have heard about it.
Liland
who thinks Oz is somewhere near Kansas


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: NicoleC
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 12:16 AM

I think that Oz COULD have an effect on US policy, but not directly. Most Americans think very fondly of Australia and Australians in general -- land of opportunity and carefree lifestyles. It helps that there's a very similar outlook on the world. In other words, Australia is one of the few countries that Americans might bother listening to the opinion of, providing there's any news coverage, which is doubtful.

But Howard is a spineless weasel when it comes to dealing with the US, and I don't think anyone here, John Q. Public or President, cares what he says. Nor am I sure the average American knows he has visited a couple of times lately and most of 'em couldn't tell you who John Howard. Up until a few months ago I was getting married and moving to Oz, so I'm still in the habit of paying attention :)

I don't think Oz has much to worry about it terms of being a target for helping out the US. It's not like Australia has a habit of pissing people off, and suffers from a dearth of internationally recognizable targets. The Sydney Opera House might be the exception, but what are they gonna do, blow up Ayers Rock?


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: Haruo
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 12:16 AM

Mind you, I'm no fan of Bush, and all in favor of Australians electing their own leaders, even if they do decide to reelect Arafat. ;-)

Liland


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 12:39 AM

Thanks for the input folks, and Liland - actually Arafat's maybe not a bad idea..... he's got a whole lot more leadership qualities than Howard, as Nicole pointed out......

D - I think I meant... what would you think if we got uptight about having a US military build-up in "our" back-yard, say a major concentration of strength more or less permanently based in and around the South Pacific to "protect" the freedom loving democracies of Oceania from insurgents, terrorists, home-grown dissatisfied elements etc...?

Reason for this question may be more from idle curiosity than anything else, as the US is often seen as wanting to retain and support friendly governments, rather than be pro-democratic, and while a local uprising against Howard & Co is highly unlikely, I wonder what you'd think if public opinion really did boil over and Bush's buddy resisted a move to boot him out - before he called an election... Stranger things have been known to happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 12:49 AM

Well, I have always had high opinions of Aussies from those I've met and worked with over the years -- a high spirited sassy lot, for sure, strong minded and mostly independent as hell, which is pretty much my sorta person. I think Ned Kelly and Billie the Kid would have gotten on famously. :>)

I also appreciate the general added security of knowing we have Allies who are really tough, well-established on the rim of the Western Pacific. It was extremely valuable the last time we fought a Pacific front together, you'll recall.

But Idon't think you need to make a big show of pissing in Bush's pocket. For one thing Lyndon Johnson probably filled it up already (it's his sort of metaphor).

And if you guys want to boot Howard, you go right ahead!! Some of us will back you all the way! :>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: GUEST,aussieworried..
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 01:34 AM

Amos, thanks for the vote of confidence... It might be shaken slightly if you have a look at

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/03/18/1015909931245.html

This is our Army talking... you know, the guys with less than 100 tanks, all around the 30 year old mark, and even older M113 APC's..... to defend a country the size of South America (slight exaggeration..) as well as trot off round the world supporting the Stars and Stripes.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: GUEST,John Gray @ work
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 03:22 AM

Yeah, but why don't you cut to the chase - we make bloody good beer and I'll bet Bush didn't even get a slab of it out of Howard.

JG / FME.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: SeanM
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 03:46 AM

Honestly, no disrespect on my part to any other country, but I'm willing to bet that when you get down to it the 'average' US opinion of Australia is pretty non-existant. Most of the 'common perception' was "Crocodile Dundee". Now it seems to consist of "Crocodile Hunter". If you could find two of twenty people on the average city street with ANY idea of ANY Australian political issue I'd be surprised.

We're rather myopic on the whole.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: mack/misophist
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 10:35 AM

I don't know nothin' about nothin'. But I LOVE the idea of one politician calling another an asskisser and then refusing to back down. Modern life could use a little infusion of honesty. Let's start calling a spade a spade and an asshole a bush again.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 11:54 AM

You know, it's an embarrassing question. I'm a bit of a politics junkie, and I feel like I have a fair idea of the politics of most countries - but I sure don't know much about what goes on with Australia and NZ politics. Every once in a while, I'll notice that they're sending troops to help the U.S. in some military action I consider embarrassing, so I figure maybe they're allied with U.S. Republicans - but I have to say I don't really know.
I was going to visit John in Brisbane and find out about Australia, but he keeps telling me about this 8-foot snake that lives under his house...
And when I found out Alison was married, I lost all interest.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 12:12 PM

"Opinions about Oz"?

Heh... I was hoping this was a thread about the TV show... Can you tell where I spend a lot of my time?

I'm not much into politics myself.. I just don't see any reason to follow it when I have absolutely NO influence on what happens... But I do have to admit... I have more respect for someone who'll publicly refer to his leader as "arse-licker" if he really means it...

I mean hell, one of our Prime Ministers flipped the Canadian public the bird by way of a response once...

Gotta admire the stones it takes to say what you REALLY wanna say, instead of "arse-tonguing" your way through life... Doubly so for someone who's livelyhood depends on 'public opinion'...

Just my 0.02


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: GUEST,John Gray @ work
Date: 27 Jun 02 - 11:39 PM

Joe,
No, we are not aligned with your Republicans. Haven't you noticed that we seem to turn up at all wars ? We don't care about the cause - we just love a good stoush. We generally find out about the cause after the event.
We were present at the Sudan & Maori wars in the late 1900's. Then the Boer war and the Boxer Rebellion followed by WW1. Then WW2 and the Korean war, the Malaysian/Indonesion confrontation then the Vietnam war ( our longest war at 10 years )and the Gulf war. Then the conflict in Timor and now we are in Afghanistan.
We were pissed off at you blokes knocking over Grenada & Panama in less than a week as it didn't give us time to get there.
Wars good value - all our military are volunteers - its get you away from the wife and kids for a while, and we love eating out, barbeques galore! And plenty of male bonding and all that good shit.
So anytime you want to meet some of us Aussies, just start a war.

JG / FME.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 12:11 AM

G'day Joe,

Don't be worried because John in Brisbane keeps "... keeps telling (me) about this 8-foot snake that lives under his house ...". The ones to really worry about are those that recruit another Carpet Snake or Diamond Python to live in their car ... (It keeps down the chance of car theft)!

Regard(les)s,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 12:26 AM

Just a couple of items of passing note for our US friends. The Oz parliament is now going into the regular winter SEVEN WEEK recess, and the Senate (our upper house) has just lost a number of Senators because they've been in office for the maximum term, who will retire on generous taxpayer funded pensions. We've just taken delivery of the new VIP aircraft for said national leaders, and a number of our top (top?) politicians will soon be off overseas on fact-finding missions and holidays. Now do you see why most of the world hasn't got much of an idea about who our politicians are and what they do?

Come to think of it, it's not such a bad system I suppose, for it keeps them out of our hair for a bit. Maybe now's the time if you want to ask us to come to a war. It'll give us something to do until they come back.... or until we run out of ammo - about Tuesday if the Army is right. See why I asked the questions originally? We're kind of hoping that you'll keep us afloat if the crunch comes.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 12:27 AM

Sorry, that was me... pressed Submit before I signed.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: allie kiwi
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 06:02 AM

Just try not to lump Australian and NZ politics together too often. *grin* We're the slightly smaller version of USA versus Canada.

As for NZ politics, we're heading into an election in July. Our current goverment is run by the centre-left Labour Party who are quite likely to hold their seats, and who are not exactly what you would term appreciative of some US policies. This is contrasting to Australia whose more conservative government is rather more amenable to the USA.

Allie


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: Celtic Soul
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 07:12 AM

First off, whether or not he's a toady entirely depends on whether or not he was honest when he said what he said...or are we saying that any Government Official outside the US cannot hold to the same ideas as the leader of the US Government? On to your points:

A - What ANY Aussie politician thinks (assuming they do - which is doubtful)?

Depends on whether or not the information is made public here in the States. If not, then the vast majority of Americans will not even know to begin with.

B - Whether Oz participation does, or can, make much difference to US policy in general?

Only in as much as we wish to retain our allies, but not at the cost of our own...for lack of a better word...agenda.

C - Aussie alliance with US foreign policy?

The US stands for what it stands for. Not even all the citizens here agree with it, why would it matter whether or not another country did?

D - Aussie attitudes to US local presence?

We are, for the most part, fairly unknowledgable.

E - Whether the US Free Trade policy we hear about is intended to apply to US imports, as well as their exports?

Let us also consider how much $$$ is exported from the US in the form of aid, and then reconsider the above.

F - Whether Oz could be included in terrorist targets in retaliation for our commitment to the US?

Absolutely, the American people are acutely aware that there is a possibility that terrorism may happen to other nations. Each nation must stand up for what *they* believe in. If yours does not believe as the American Government believes, then they should not stand with it. But, if your government *does* believe in the US agenda, and an attack hits you, don't blame the US for it (or more importantly, US citizens)...blame whoever hit you, and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the US will be there to help out with aid of all kinds.

G - And finally, did anybody know Howard was over there on 9/11 visiting Washington DC, as well as a couple of weeks back - and does anybody in the US care?

Know? No...but then, I don't watch any TV of any kind, and I rarely read newspapers anymore. Care? Sure...if I'd have known, I'd have cared. Canna speak for the rest of the Country, but there you have it from one citizen.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: Hrothgar
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 08:31 AM

And Joe, if you're worried about John's (non-poisonous) snake, you really don't want to meet my spiders!

The spiders, mind you, are less poisonous than the politicians. I wouldn't want a politician living under my house.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 01:34 PM

My personal take on the Ozzies is that those that survived the original penal colonies went on to become some of the most egalitarian and interesting folks around... wish we had somewhere to send people nowadays (anybody for a moon colony?)!


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 01:45 PM

Everything I know about Australia I learned from The Simpsons!


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: MMario
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 01:45 PM

I like the capital city - but all that green must get boring.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: mack/misophist
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 06:17 PM

Speaking of the Aussies and war: I'm reminded that all the Aussies I spoke to during the Viet Nam days were certain they were over there as an exercise, to test equipment and tactics, not for any political reason.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: allie kiwi
Date: 28 Jun 02 - 10:40 PM

Yes, everything needs testing when you first get it. Of course since we still have the same equipment we don't need to test it anymore. I think the Aussies may have bought new stuff since then, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: NicoleC
Date: 29 Jun 02 - 02:08 AM

Yes, but "Australian conservative" is roughly the equivalent of Happy-Happy Liberal Land compared to the US.

But I have to say -- of most of the Australians I've know, the Crocodile Dundee/Crocodile Hunter stereotype isn't too far off the mark. Intelligent, resourceful, bluntly honest, almost always up for a good party or a good fight (whichever comes first) and bursting full of life. Also better educated and have better manners than Americans... when they bother to use them, that is.

But most of the Aussies I've know have been second generation Greeks/Cypriots... so they might be taking the national character thing to extremes :)


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Subject: RE: BS: US Opinions about Oz
From: michaelr
Date: 29 Jun 02 - 02:31 AM

Here's some of them oh-pinions for ya:

Their kin were all Irish criminals.
That opera house sure looks weird.
That rock sure looks weird.
That instrument sure sounds weird.
Crocodile Dundee ROCKS!

Cheers, mate
Michael


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