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Bill (Scotland) 31 Mar 98 - 07:32 PM
dick greenhaus 31 Mar 98 - 07:41 PM
Joe Offer 31 Mar 98 - 08:31 PM
S.P. Buck Mulligan 31 Mar 98 - 09:30 PM
rich r 31 Mar 98 - 11:08 PM
Alan of Australia 31 Mar 98 - 11:42 PM
Joe Offer 01 Apr 98 - 01:00 AM
Alan of Australia 01 Apr 98 - 01:34 AM
Joe Offer 01 Apr 98 - 01:38 AM
Bill (Scotland) 01 Apr 98 - 12:16 PM
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Subject: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Bill (Scotland)
Date: 31 Mar 98 - 07:32 PM

Can anyone help me find the lyrics for the great anti-war song "Mothers, daughters, wives"?

Bill


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 31 Mar 98 - 07:41 PM

If you mean Tommy Sands' "Your Daughters and Your Sons", it's in the database. As sung by Dick Gaughan.


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Mar 98 - 08:31 PM

Bill, can you give us a few more words or think of somebody who recorded it? It's floating around in my head, and maybe a couple more phrases will draw it our or remind me where to look at it. My mental database search engine is a bit less efficient than the Mudcat database. This might be the song you're thinking of, but it's not what's floating in my brain.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: S.P. Buck Mulligan
Date: 31 Mar 98 - 09:30 PM

Ronnie Gilbert recorded this tune; at some point she may also have recorded it with Holly Near - who also probably recorded it on her own.


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Subject: Lyr Add: MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, WIVES (Judy Small)
From: rich r
Date: 31 Mar 98 - 11:08 PM

MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, WIVES
Words and music by Judy Small
As recorded by Judy Small on "Ladies and Gems" (1984)

CHORUS: The first time it was fathers; the last time it was sons,
And in between your husbands marched away with guns and drums,
And you never thought to question; you just went on with your lives,
'Cause all they'd taught you who to be was mothers, daughters, wives.

You can only just remember, the tears your mothers shed
As the sat and read their papers through the lists and lists of dead,
And the gold frames held the photographs that mothers kissed each night,
And the doorframes held the shocked and silent strangers from the fight. CHORUS

And it was 21 years later with children of your own
The trumpet sounded once again and the soldier boys were gone
And you drove their trucks and made their guns and tended to their wounds
And at night you kissed their photographs and prayed for safe returns.

And after it was over, you had to learn again
To be just wives and mothers when you'd done the work of men
So you worked to help the needy and you never trod on toes
And the photos on the pianos struck a happy family pose. CHORUS

And then your daughters grew to women and your little boys to men
And you prayed that you were dreaming when the call-up came again
But you proudly smiled and held your tears as they bravely waved goodbye
And the photos on the mantelpieces always made you cry.

And now you're getting older and in time the photos fade
And in widowhood you sit back and reflect on the parade
Of the passing of your memories as your daughters change their lives
Seeing more to our existence than just mothers, daughters, wives. CHORUS

And you believed them.

Printed in Rise Up Singing
Recorded by Judy Small, Priscilla Herdman, and Ronnie Gilbert.

rich r



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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 31 Mar 98 - 11:42 PM

G'day,
Judy Small is an Aussie, a descendant of the First Fleet.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Apr 98 - 01:00 AM

OK, I gotta ask, Alan.
First Fleet?
I can guess from the context, but what's the official definition and history?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 01 Apr 98 - 01:34 AM

G'day,
The first fleet was the fleet of 11 British ships under the command of Captain (then Governor) Arthur Phillip which sailed into Botany Bay on 26 January 1788. Many Australians proudly trace their ancestry to transportees of the first and subsequent fleets. Many were transported for trivial crimes.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Apr 98 - 01:38 AM

Thanks, Alan, I guessed right. A distinction like our D.A.R. (Daughters of the American Revolution) or the descendants of the Mayflower passengers.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Bill (Scotland)
Date: 01 Apr 98 - 12:16 PM

Rich R.

These are the lyrics I've been looking for, thanks very much. Thanks all for the info and help.

Cheers Bill


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Subject: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Edi
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 03:15 PM

I'm looking for the lyrics of "mothers, daughters, wives". I've heard it from the McCalmans and from the Sands brothers but I think it's not written by them. Who can help me? Thanks


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Subject: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Edi
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 03:16 PM

I'm looking for the lyrics of "mothers, daughters, wives". I've heard it from the McCalmans and from the Sands brothers but I think it's not written by them. Who can help me? Thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Marion
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 03:23 PM

Edi, I have this in a book at home (Rise Up Singing) and can tell you in a couple of days if someone else doesn't get it first. I love the lyrics - cry every time I read them - and I'd love to know the tune.

Marion


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Frank of Toledo
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 03:28 PM

It was written by Judy Small and the chords ands lyrics are included in the "Rise Up Singing" Book" on page 162. If you don't that book let us know and i'll copy the words here for you.........


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Barbara
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 03:34 PM

Give me a day or so and I'll try and transcribe the tune from my Judy Small LP.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: Lyr Add: MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, WIVES (Judy Small)
From: Wolfgang
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 03:35 PM

MOTHERS, DAUGHTERS, WIVES

CHORUS: The first time it was fathers,
The last time it was sons
And in between your husbands
Marched away with drums and guns.
And you never thought to question.
You just went on with your lives.
Cause all they taught you who to be,
Was mothers, daughters, wives.

You can only just remember
The tears your mother shed
As they sat and read their papers
Through the lists and lists of dead.
And the gold frames held the photographs
That mothers kissed each night.
And the door frames held the shocked
And silent strangers from the fight.

It was twenty-one years later,
With children of your own.
The trumpets sounded once again,
And the soldier boys were gone.
And you drove their trucks and made their guns
And tended to their wounds.
And at night you kissed their photographs
And prayed for safe returns.

And after it was over
You had to learn again
To be just wives and mothers,
When you'd done the work of men.
So you worked to help the needy
And you never trod on toes.
And the photos on the pianos
Struck a happy family pose.

Then your daughters grew to women
And your little boys to men.
And you prayed that you were dreaming
When the call came up again.
But you proudly smiled and held your tears
As they bravely waved goodbye.
And the photos on the mantel pieces
Always made you cry.

And now you're getting older
And in time the photos fade.
And in widowhood you sit back
And reflect on the parade.
Of the passing of your memories
As your daughters change their lives.
Seeing more to our existence
Than just mothers, daughters, wives.

And you believed them!



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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: McKnees
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 04:28 PM

I think this is one of the most moving songs I have ever heard and when I saw this thread I wondered if anyone could tell me who wrote. I saw it performed by a woman but I cant remember who.it might have been Barbara Dickson Knock kneed one


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: bbc
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 06:12 PM

It's by Judy Small, knock kneed one. I have a lovely version of it by Priscilla Herdman on her Seasons of Change recording.

bbc


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: McKnees
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 07:18 PM

Is Judy Small Australian for some reason I always thought it was written by an Australian woman bbc? Knock Kneed one


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 07:57 PM

What am I offered for an LP containing this song and signed by this great Australian singer/songwriter? Only kidding - it's one of the few mementoes I have of the now defunct Troubadour venue in Melbourne, in my opinion one of the best folk venues in the world. Regards, John


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: bbc
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 10:13 PM

As I believe John was implying--yes, KK'd one, I believe Judy Small is Australian. She has another wonderful song, Walls & Windows, which is on Priscilla Herdman's Darkness into Light recording.

bbc


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Edi
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:47 PM

Thank you for your efforts. There is no need to copy the words. I will get them from a friend.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Edi
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:52 PM

Thanks to everyone for the efforts and immediate help. You are all great.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Sue Dyson
Date: 12 Aug 99 - 04:07 PM

You will find everything you want to know about Judy from her home page (the lyrics of her some of her songs are there too, including Mothers, Daughters, Wives) at http://www.judysmall.net/


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: swampy-the-spark
Date: 26 Nov 03 - 05:23 PM

I used to sing this around the clubs in Brum
I hadforgotton how fabulus it is and had lost my copy of the words
thancks to mudcats it now going back in my song book
and yes I am a bloke but I still sing it because its great song

Clive


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Menolly
Date: 26 Nov 03 - 06:24 PM

On the last chorus it can be finished off with an additional line -

"And you believed them when they said you were just Mothers, Daughters, wives.


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: GUEST,Spot
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 04:23 PM

Menolly.... Have you The McCalmans version, by any chance???

                   regards to alll    Spot


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: bbc
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 07:43 PM

Priscilla Herdman has a very nice version on her recording, Seasons of Change.

best,

bbc


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: cobber
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 11:35 PM

Judy Small is not as well known as some other Aussie folk song writers but to my mind there are none better. When I first heard the song she ended it "and we believed them" but when she toured Australia with Ronnie Gilbert ten or so years back, they did it as a duet and finished with a last line of "but we are learning". I thought that was a nice touch. She doesn't tour much these days, though I saw her a few months ago in Adelaide and she was as great as ever. Don't miss it if you get a chance to see her.


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Subject: RE: Lyr: Mothers, daughters, wives
From: Helen
Date: 29 Nov 03 - 04:16 PM

I totally agree, Cobber. One of the best live performers I have seen, and a very talented musician & songwriter. Also an ambassador for gay and lesbian culture.

Judy Small Web Site

Helen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 03:12 PM

The McCalmans version of this beautiful song is excellent, unfortunately it is very hard to obtain


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 07:42 PM

Hard? Where are you then guest? Can be got by mail order from www.musicscotland.com
Either on the "Peace and Plenty" CD of the McCalmans (14 copies currently in stock), or on the 3-CD set of "Scotland - the Music and Song - 20years of Greentrax" - many other amazing tracks from many artistes on this compilation. Neither of them hugely expensive either even with P & P added.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 07:57 PM

It's very strange to see being a descendant of a First Fleet arrival likened to the D. A. R.
Those who arrived on the First Fleet were convicts, transported to a penal colony. For most of Australian history, this was considered to be a stain, something to be hidden, not something to be proud of.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 11:47 PM

it was amazing what lengths some convicts & many of their children/grandchildren went to hide the convict "stain", and a few generations later THEIR descendants shout it from the rooftops!

sandra


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 11:51 PM

G'day Gerry,

Well ... there were also a bunch of the usual invasion troops and officers - and many of those did well out here ... beyond the tiresome reach of civil laws. Many ot their progeny might see themselves in terms closer to the DAR ... but Australians who have compared the achievements of both sides of the ledger - especially in terms of benefit for the modern society - would be very happy to be descended from the First Fleet convicts.

My earliest known arrivals to Australia were free settlers ... but 'economic refugees' ... a bit before the Irish Famine. However, at least one of those fed her rebellious views on British rule to her family ... in ways that still resound in our folk memory.

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small
From: Jim Lad
Date: 04 Feb 08 - 02:03 AM

Remarkable: I listened to The Corries version of this yesterday and it's been running around in my head all day.
Then I find this thread.
Great song. The tune is a lot like the verses to Three Score and Ten.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Chords for Mothers, daughters, wives
From: GUEST,Malcolm
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 02:07 PM

Does anyone have the guitar chords for Judy Smalls Mothers daughters wives, hope you can oblige. many thanks Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 10 Mar 19 - 08:55 AM

Bill (Scotland) asked; "Can anyone help me find the lyrics for the great anti-war song "Mothers, daughters, wives"?" But I'd say that this song is about women's place and voice in society.

In the UK, there were conflicting views. The Suffragettes certainly did not agree with the pacifists. Emmeline and Christabel persuaded the WSPU to stop their suffrage activities until the war was over.

The Suffragette, renamed Britannia, matched the popular press in its support for the war. And the WSPU, now calling itself the Women's Party, campaigned for compulsory national service for women.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: open mike
Date: 12 Mar 19 - 01:57 AM

Is the title song for the Maura O'Connel album the one by Judy Small?
https://www.nodepression.com/album-reviews/maura-oconnell-walls-and-windows/


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Mothers, Daughters, Wives (Judy Small)
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 12 Mar 19 - 03:30 AM

The song Walls and Windows doesn't appear on the Mauar O'Connell album, just a song called Walls.


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