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BS: Get well, Aine!

GUEST,Sonja 16 Jan 02 - 08:30 PM
Amos 16 Jan 02 - 09:07 PM
wysiwyg 16 Jan 02 - 09:14 PM
Micca 16 Jan 02 - 09:47 PM
Amos 16 Jan 02 - 11:16 PM
SINSULL 16 Jan 02 - 11:40 PM
JedMarum 16 Jan 02 - 11:50 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 17 Jan 02 - 12:29 AM
Genie 17 Jan 02 - 12:34 AM
katlaughing 17 Jan 02 - 12:49 AM
Genie 17 Jan 02 - 01:08 AM
Liam's Brother 17 Jan 02 - 01:25 AM
Nerd 17 Jan 02 - 02:40 AM
Steve Parkes 17 Jan 02 - 03:21 AM
Aidan Crossey 17 Jan 02 - 03:45 AM
Aidan Crossey 17 Jan 02 - 04:48 AM
Clinton Hammond 17 Jan 02 - 04:56 AM
GUEST,micca at work. 17 Jan 02 - 06:11 AM
gnu 17 Jan 02 - 06:13 AM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Jan 02 - 07:01 AM
GUEST,Patrish 17 Jan 02 - 08:18 AM
WyoWoman 17 Jan 02 - 08:29 AM
MMario 17 Jan 02 - 08:43 AM
The Shambles 17 Jan 02 - 08:43 AM
catspaw49 17 Jan 02 - 08:47 AM
Mrrzy 17 Jan 02 - 08:53 AM
SharonA 17 Jan 02 - 08:56 AM
GUEST,Sonja 17 Jan 02 - 03:32 PM
Irish sergeant 17 Jan 02 - 05:12 PM
alison 17 Jan 02 - 06:03 PM
GUEST,Deda 17 Jan 02 - 07:11 PM
GUEST,Sonja 17 Jan 02 - 08:43 PM
GUEST,Den 17 Jan 02 - 08:47 PM
Deda 17 Jan 02 - 09:35 PM
Amos 17 Jan 02 - 09:43 PM
katlaughing 18 Jan 02 - 02:35 AM
Hrothgar 18 Jan 02 - 05:12 AM
JenEllen 18 Jan 02 - 02:28 PM
Clifton53 18 Jan 02 - 04:57 PM
katlaughing 18 Jan 02 - 05:31 PM
CapriUni 18 Jan 02 - 07:47 PM
Irish sergeant 18 Jan 02 - 08:24 PM
Amos 18 Jan 02 - 08:59 PM
GUEST,Sonja 18 Jan 02 - 11:28 PM
katlaughing 18 Jan 02 - 11:36 PM
CapriUni 19 Jan 02 - 02:10 AM
Genie 19 Jan 02 - 05:27 AM
Irish sergeant 19 Jan 02 - 05:22 PM
WyoWoman 20 Jan 02 - 04:08 PM
kendall 20 Jan 02 - 04:43 PM
katlaughing 20 Jan 02 - 04:46 PM
Amos 20 Jan 02 - 05:33 PM
Barry Finn 20 Jan 02 - 11:02 PM
katlaughing 26 Jan 02 - 01:17 PM
GUEST,Martin Ryan 26 Jan 02 - 02:33 PM
Genie 26 Jan 02 - 02:38 PM
katlaughing 26 Jan 02 - 03:47 PM
CapriUni 26 Jan 02 - 06:16 PM
katlaughing 26 Jan 02 - 06:45 PM
Amos 26 Jan 02 - 07:45 PM
GUEST,Hyperabid 26 Jan 02 - 07:50 PM
Diva 26 Jan 02 - 08:02 PM
CapriUni 27 Jan 02 - 03:19 PM
katlaughing 27 Jan 02 - 04:15 PM
GUEST,Irish Sergeant 27 Jan 02 - 06:22 PM
SINSULL 27 Jan 02 - 09:14 PM
catspaw49 27 Jan 02 - 09:32 PM
Sorcha 27 Jan 02 - 09:39 PM
Bert 28 Jan 02 - 12:27 AM
Amos 28 Jan 02 - 11:02 PM
alison 28 Jan 02 - 11:25 PM
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Genie 29 Jan 02 - 02:21 PM
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catspaw49 29 Jan 02 - 11:57 PM
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Big Mick 30 Jan 02 - 08:58 AM
katlaughing 30 Jan 02 - 11:27 AM
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Genie 02 Feb 02 - 11:26 PM
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Subject: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Sonja
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 08:30 PM

Áine, you may not read this until your back is a little better and you can stand sitting at your computer again, but along with the other Challenger!s and other Mudcatters, I miss your B.L.O.B.s and bon mots and wish you a speedy recovery.
Now, you stop abusing yourself in the name of landscaping, ya hear?

Sonja


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 09:07 PM

Yeah!! Just cuz you're attracting all those tough-assed titmice... tought titty top mice?....tufted mouseteats? Well, whatever they are, just 'cuz you're attracting 'em, doesn't mean you should pay for it by giving up on yore Catter hats!!

Love ya,

Bard Chanteuse E. Gregious


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 09:14 PM

Fockin' A!

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Micca
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 09:47 PM

I heard Aine in far away Dallas
has been getting a little Bit Careless
her muscles are hardening
from far too much gardening
so rest or I'll paddle your gal ass


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 11:16 PM

Sweet Aine's lost her baby fat
And broke her buns in pursuit if that!
And now she lies, laid low by pain
While baby fat creeps back again!

But one stout friend won't be put off!
A proper hedonistic toff,
He'll have her heal her which and what,
Or else he'll come and spank her butt!

Fly west, across two major nations,
To offer this administration!
When Micca flies from Albion's land
Upon her butt to place his hand,

And there in Texas comes to be --
That's one event I'd pay to see!!
But male or no, I won't be modest --
My nickel's on the Gaelic Goddess!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 11:40 PM

A bad back is no fun. Feel better, Aine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: JedMarum
Date: 16 Jan 02 - 11:50 PM

Please do get well, Áine!

No poems for you, from me - but well wishes!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 12:29 AM

If you had done stomach exercises, you would not have the back problems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Genie
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 12:34 AM

Ain't got no pome fer ye, Áine, but I loved Amos's!
With a threat like Micca's, ya gotta gitcher back straight real soon!

Genie


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 12:49 AM

garg, she is so gawddamn buff there are no loose muscles anywhere...she had two young garden service guys try to hire her this past summer to help them in their business. She's got the best looking yard in the neighbourhood!

Micca and Amos! BRAVO!!! Just don't make any promises you can't keep, boyz! ...LOL...

I made her promise not to pull any weeds, hang any bird feeders, nor roll any rocks for TWO WEEKS...she was a whiney titty baby, but promised she'd be good!**BG**

Aine....luvyadarlin'...now mind your katma! lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Genie
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 01:08 AM

BTW, Áine, I understand Joe Offer knows a good chiropractor ...

Genie §;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 01:25 AM

Hi!

I gather your back is out of sorts. Hope you feel better soon.

All the best,
Dan


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Nerd
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 02:40 AM

Aine, we don't know each other but I know how a bad back feels and it sure sucks. I hope you're better soon; I love reading the song challenges and I understand you're the one to thank.

Besides, given your legendary buff bod I'd better wish you well or else when you're better you'll kick my ass (you listenin', gargoyle?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 03:21 AM

Bad back--been there, done that, got the orthopaedic mattress...! Get better, then take care not to do it again ... you know, it's a lot easier to give this advice than to take it!

Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Aidan Crossey
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 03:45 AM

Áine ...

I'm gutted for you ...

Get well.

Beannacht

Do chara chairde

Aidan


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Aidan Crossey
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 04:48 AM

To the tune of "John Henry" – A get well song for Áine

Áine, she's a tearing up her garden
She's a-diggin' and a-haulin' day and night
Till one of her neighbours sneaked a look across the fence
And wondered "Why ha'n't I heard the bangs of dynamite? Lord, lord
Why ha'n't I heard the bangs of dynamite?"

Cos Áine was fairly shifting earth boys
She dug about a continent or two
I shouted to her neighbour "Better get you out the way
Else she might just end up digging you, Lord, lord
Else might just end up digging you"

The Texan human excavator
She's digging like a JCB
Someone better chuck a spanner in her works
Else she'll dig from sea to shining sea Lord, lord
Else she'll dig from sea to shining sea

And then there comes the sound of rupture
It's noisy as a thunderclap
And Áine's on the ground, and she's rolling all around
Saying "Fellas help me … I think something's snapped Lord, lord
Fellas help me … I think something's snapped"

The moral of this story
The moral of this tune
Is – sod off, there isn't any moral
Áine, chara, get well soon Lord lord
Áine, chara, get well soon


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 04:56 AM

"Get well, Áine!"

No!! Don't!!! I DARE ya!!!

LOL!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,micca at work.
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 06:11 AM

Sorry made a complete ricket of the above, it should read

Now our Aines the queen of the limerick
Tho disabled by vertebral trim rick
The cure for her moan,
The philosophers stone?
And a swig from the wizards alembic?

But to Aine we should not be meaner
But help her get well and be keener
And a ticket should proffer
To visit Joe Offer
And be cured by the hands of Christina


Get well soon Oh Celtic Goddess!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 06:13 AM

Poor dear. I have been there too. The physio route helped me. Best wishes for a speedy recovery. If you can get to the puter, here's something to occupy your mind for a minute... just got it...

More Clavenisms Volume 2.

1. Barbie's full name is Barbara Milicent Roberts.

2. It is impossible to lick your elbow.

3. A crocodile can't stick its tongue out.

4. A shrimp's heart is in their head.

5. People say; "Bless you" when you sneeze because when you sneeze, you're heart stops for a mili-second.

6. In a study of 200,000 ostriches over a period of 80 years, no one reported a single case where an ostrich buried its head in the sand (or attempted to do so).

7. It is physically impossible for pigs to look up into the sky.

8. A pregnant goldfish is called a twit

9. Between 1937 and 1945 Heinz produced a version of Alphabetti Spaghetti especially for the German market that consisted solely of little pasta swastikas.

10. By law, every child in Belgium must take harmonica lessons at Primary school.

11. On average, a human being will have sex more than 3,000 times and spend two weeks kissing in their lifetime.

12. More than 50% of the people in the world have never made or received a telephone call.

13. Rats and horses can't vomit.

14. The "sixth sick sheik's sixth sheep's sick" is said to be the toughest tongue twister in the English language.

15. If you sneeze too hard, you can fracture a rib. If you try to suppress a sneeze, you can rupture a blood vessel in your head or neck and die. If you keep your eyes open by force, they will pop out.

16. Rats multiply so quickly that in 18 months, two rats could have over million descendants.

17. Wearing headphones for just an hour will increase the bacteria in your ear by 700 times.

18. If the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S. citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles?

19. In every episode of Seinfeld there is a Superman somewhere.

20. The cigarette lighter was invented before the match.

21. Thirty-five percent of the people who use personal ads for dating are already married.

22. A duck's quack doesn't echo anywhere, and no one knows why.

23. 23% of all photocopier faults worldwide are caused by people sitting on them and photocopying their buttocks.

24. In the course of an average lifetime you will, while sleeping, eat 70 assorted insects and 10 spiders.

25. Most lipstick contains fish scales.

26. Cat's urine glows under a black light.

27. Like fingerprints, everyone's tongue print is different.

Now, how many of you tried to lick your elbow ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 07:01 AM

I wouldn't recommend trying to lick your elbow or you'll put the neck out as well.

I'm sure if a pig lay down and rolled over on its side it could see the sky, if it really wanted to. Someone said that even when you are lying in the gutter you can see the stars.

The worst time I ever put my back out it wasn't strenuous work. I just bent down to stroke a cat, and I was transfixed rigid. The rest of the week I was flat on my back, with that horrible feeling that maybe it would stay that way.

Well, it won't - but when you're back on your feet, Áine, go easy on the things like stroking cats as well as the digging. Easy does it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Patrish
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:18 AM

Get well soon..................
.......... yes I did try to lick my elbow - just about managed it!
love
Patrish


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: WyoWoman
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:29 AM

Well, Aine, if all this elbow-licking and arse-spanking hasn't done the trick yet, acupuncture might help. And ice packs on the nerve that's firing its insistent little ol' pain messages to your brain.

Having endured a couple of nasty back problems that just seemed to land on me from out of the blue, I know how frustrating this can be. HowEVer, backs do heal if you be nice to them -- just takes a lot of love and consideration for your own body. (BTW -- maybe next year Gargoyle will show us HIS admirable abdominal six-pack in the Mudcat calendar ... )

Take care and come back soon -- ww


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: MMario
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:43 AM

lift with the LEGS, woman!

rest up; relax; get well!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:43 AM

*Smoles*


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:47 AM

Saggy-Ass Tortoise arrives and says to get well.........Moves off slowly feeling sympathy pains..........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:53 AM

Sounds awful, whatever it is. My sympathies!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: SharonA
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:56 AM

Áine, I'm sorry to hear that your back is out. Hope it comes back!

Take it easy, and get well soonest, okay?

Sharon


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Sonja
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 03:32 PM

The Gal With The Verse Expertise
(Sonja W. Oates)

Our Áine was buildin' a birdbath one day
So folks could see tits out her window at play,
But the ground was so hard it'd make Satan pray
And it tore up her back like her jeans.

She was pushin' those rocks up the hillside,
One-hundred pound boulders and all.
Ol' Sysiphus didn't have nothin' on her
Till she hit the proverbial wall.

Chorus
Now she lies in a chair with the greatest ill-ease--
Our darling young goddess who tilled on her knees.
Her comments so tasteful all Challenger!s pleased;
Now our Cow Chips are all stored away.

Chorus (reprise)
Yes, she lies in her bed with the greatest ill-ease,
While the boys at the Mudcat cafe try to tease,
And her in-box fills up till she cries "Geez, Louise!
I'll be back when I'm ready.  Okay?"*
--------
*Actually, Áine didn't say that.  She's too nice.  But she may have thought it, understandably.
 
 

BTW, I didn't 'finish' this parody.  If anyone wants to add to it, feel free.

Get well, oh Gaelic Goddess!

Sonja


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 05:12 PM

Aine: try a heat pad. that works for me most of the time. Mean while A gradh, get better quickly. Kindest regards, neil


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: alison
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 06:03 PM

Hope you're feeling better soon Aine

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Deda
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 07:11 PM

For an ice pack, you can use a bag of frozen corn or peas. Alternate it (not immediately) with a heating pad. Rest. Rest. Rest. Come back gradually.

We miss you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Sonja
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:43 PM

BTW, if it's not obvious from the refrain, my doggerel-style tribute to Áine, above, is to the tune "That Daring Young Man On The Flying Trapeze."

Yeah, Áine, take your time getting back to the computer. (Have the old man print out this thread for you or read it to you.)

Sonja


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 08:47 PM

Aine my darling...


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Deda
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 09:35 PM

Silly Little Limerick for Aine

My poems and my arteries are hardening
Since she had that accident, gardening
My brain has gone numb-like
All my fingers are thumb-like
And my songs are so bad they need pardoning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jan 02 - 09:43 PM

Pray Deda, restore respiration,
And so cure your sad desperation!
Our Muse and song-Mother
Is bound to recover
From the pain of excessive gyration!!

And though it was gardening, we're told,
Her hubby is gentle, but bold
And the questioning's led
To which garden bed
And whose blooms by whom were controlled?

Love,

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 02:35 AM

You two! All o'youse! Excellent..I called her and read most of these to her, this afternoon...missed the last few postings because they hadn't been made, yet. Anyway you all had her in stitches and lots of "Ah's...that sweetie....and, Oh..." She was really surprised and pleased and misses you all!

I made her promise to call a massage therapist in the morning and/or her doc for some chemical therapy. Of course she is loath to do the latter, so let's hope she tries the former!

Thanks, ya'll...kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Hrothgar
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 05:12 AM

The reason ostriches don't bury their heads in the sand is that they might put their backs out...


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: JenEllen
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 02:28 PM

Aw, GG....take care darlin'. Nothin' more heartbreakin' than a weakened wench... love ya madly.

I confess, I tried to lick my own elbow. Gave up with the thought that it is WAY more fun to get someone else to lick you...(down girl)

green ducks and cookies,
datgirl


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Clifton53
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 04:57 PM

Ahhh dear Aine, there is no stopping you is there? First the fingers and now the back injury. Best wishes for a quick recovery.

Clifton


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 05:31 PM

Ah, that woman! She is in a lot of PAIN...enough to give up and make an appt with the doc, for Monday!

She asked me to let you all know that the Vicodan is on the way. Now, it has codeine in it and she gets a whammy of a twisted "second sight" when on this stuff. She gets chased by giant Lollipop People and all kinds of snakes (too many viewings of Indiana Jones?) Anyway, I told her the Mudcat Team would join forces and lick the Lollipop People to death OR take them down to a river, throw them in and watch them dissolve. As for the snakes...anyone here got the Pied Piper'ts tune handy?

Seriously, I am glad she is getting the pain killer, even if it does make her see things and VERY glad she is going to see the doc. I am off to post a new song challenge in a few moments.

Thanks ya'll,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: CapriUni
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 07:47 PM

Anybody up for writing "The Ballad of The Lollipop People and the Snakes"?

Sounds like Telletubbies mixed with Indiana Jones...


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 08:24 PM

Sure and that is a horrific thought! Aine may all your drug induced halucinations be pleasant ones. Neil


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 08:59 PM

Aine:

Just don't play them C&W CDs while on that stuff; it'll really mess up your head. Stick to Mozart or something, and you can steer your delusions into a postiive vein, so to speak....

Love,

A.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Sonja
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 11:28 PM

... or Amos has a lovely song about "The Moon On The Hill" that you could listen to...


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Jan 02 - 11:36 PM

She was in a heap of trouble (pain/immobility/end of her rope with it) earlier this evening, until Dear Hubby got home with the prescription. I know she would welcome and appreciate all good thoughts, prayers, songs, candles lit, whathaveyou to help her through this.

I have been reading your messages to her and the song challenge responses, but it hurt her so much to laugh I felt like a sadist! More of an update tomorrow. Thanks ya'll....

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: CapriUni
Date: 19 Jan 02 - 02:10 AM

:::Imagining multi-colored waves of light settling over Áine:::

Soft green background for healing,
Pink polkadots for love,
and amythist purple stripes for pleasant dreams

Hope they reach their mark in all the right places!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Genie
Date: 19 Jan 02 - 05:27 AM

Aine, so sorry to hear your back problem's not as mild or short-lived as I had thought at first. I've been looking for appropriate songs that we could all sing for you, but I haven't found the right one yet. Until I can find or write something more poetic, I'll just say I share the affection that folks around here hold for you and I am visualizing you soaking in a wonderful, healing hot tub with mellow Irish ballads playing in the background and the Leonid meteor shower overhead for you to watch while you recover.

Genie §:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 19 Jan 02 - 05:22 PM

AIne seriously. get well soon and come back to our dysfunctional little fold Neil


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: WyoWoman
Date: 20 Jan 02 - 04:08 PM

Vicodan makes me spit up. Tylenol 3 worke quite nicely without turning your brain to complete mush (or, maybe it WAS mush. I fell asleep instantly, therefore I think the pain medication "worked.")

Opium might be good. Or hashish ...

Ohpp. nivver mind. Wrong decade ...

Get better, ww


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 02 - 04:43 PM

Speaking from experience, (I was born with a back problem) I sympathize with you my favorite Texas lady. Having a bad back is like a ship with a hogged keel.Useless. If anyone should ask you why elephants are gray, big and wrinkled, tell them that if they were white, small and smooth, they would be aspirins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jan 02 - 04:46 PM

She is doing a tiny bit better; able to sit and get around in a wheelchair and with a cane. Will see the doc tomorrow and is looking into chiro, etc. she's also drinking mroe water and taking some supplements that are helping.

The Lollipop People and Snakes stayed away, BUT she did see Howling Dogs and Walnuts in the fireplace! *bg*

luvyadarlin'...keep getting better....kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 02 - 05:33 PM

For an update here is a new thread which not only informs but invites debate on the healing properties of ventilation instead of knickers.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Jan 02 - 11:02 PM

Hope you'll be up & about in short order. Best of luck, Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jan 02 - 01:17 PM

Well, phoaks, I am sorry to say things have not improved much and I've come to ask you to double your efforts to help our Gaelic Goddess. I have never heard her like this and I've never known of someone to be in such prolonged and intense pain, and I used to work in hospital!

Bottom line is, she is unable to move much at all, not even able to be on the phone, really...the doc saw nothing on the xrays, will not give her muscle relaxants and the pain killers he is giving her are not doing anything. There is another appt. this coming Tuesday. Also, a change in insurance near the first, I think, so that may open up some other avenues.

In the meantime, please send her all of the good thoughts, prayers, songs, etc. as you are able....this one is on our shoulders...I don't think she's up to doing much of any of it on her own..too exhausted and depressed.

Thank you, very much,

luvyakat


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 26 Jan 02 - 02:33 PM

GO n-éirí leat, a Áine!

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Genie
Date: 26 Jan 02 - 02:38 PM

So very sorry to hear this news, Kat. I will, of course, continue to 'send' her good thoughts and keep her in my prayers.
What do you think about email and PMs? Is her husband reading these to her?
I'd like to send my wishes (and songs for her?) directly, but it she's not up to being at the computer, these may just pile up.
Advice?

Genie


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jan 02 - 03:47 PM

Honestly, I don't know, Genie. He's got his hands full with work and the kids, as well as Aine. I know he has a terrible commute each day, so I don't know how much time he has for checking such thngs. when she was able to be on the phone, I was reading her a quick rundown.

For now, I'd say probably email is more likely to get to her via Dear Hubby, as she still cannot sit at the computer. As she is able to get on the phone, if anyone wants to put more messages here or wants to PM them to me, I will read them to her or send them all in one batch by email. Best I can think to do for now. Thanks a bunch,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: CapriUni
Date: 26 Jan 02 - 06:16 PM

Oh, dear!! Time for a new Doctor, perhaps? Why will he (I assume it's a he) not prescribe muscle relaxants, or up her pain killers?

Is he insisting it is all in her head, or some such complete [explitive deleted]like that? (Which is why I assumed it's a 'he' we're working with here, I suppose, old boys club/school and all that)

If he does insist it is in her head, I suggest a head transplant: Let him go live in her head, for a while, and she can live in his! :-P!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Jan 02 - 06:45 PM

CU, lol! No, he's not saying it is in her head. Said he was worried that she would fall and get hurt if she took muslce relaxants! Never heard that one before!

Anyway, once the new insurance kicks in, I think they will be looking at alternative docs. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 02 - 07:45 PM

I'm betting that it is not a "medical" problem that normal allotropic appraoches could identify, but a chiropractic problem. Painkillers will dampen the pain but they woun't stop the pain siggnals not the pinches that are causing them. IMHO.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Hyperabid
Date: 26 Jan 02 - 07:50 PM

Fly to England Aine

My mater a trained aromatherapist:)

All skills past to her son

Just promise not to tell Sam

Hyper


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Diva
Date: 26 Jan 02 - 08:02 PM

Get well soon.... did the back thing last year and it isn't a lot of fun...but physio worked for me...ohh and a wheat bag...heated in the microwave Diva


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: CapriUni
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 03:19 PM

From Katlaughing:

"No, he's not saying it is in her head. Said he was worried that she would fall and get hurt if she took muslce relaxants! Never heard that one before!"

Nor I... I mean, it's not like she's itching to go out and Jitterbug (are you, Áine?) -- just to be able to sit up, and maybe move a little. That would be nice...

Sending, warm, relaxing thought her way...


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 04:15 PM

It sure would be, CU! Thanks! I probably won't call, again, until they go to the doc on Tuesday, so will let you all know what's new then, unless Herself manages to come in before that.:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: GUEST,Irish Sergeant
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 06:22 PM

KAt: Do keep us apprised and you may PM if you feel like. PLease tell Aine when you see her my prayers are with her. Kindest regards, Irish Sergeant


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 09:14 PM

Acupuncture, maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 09:32 PM

Personally darli', I think you need some serious drugs! I mean like a trip to the hospital where they can knock you flat on your ass with some serioud painkillers while administering some muscle relaxants and give the whole thing a chance to take effect. While I'm bossily giving advice here, I understand your x-rays aren't showing much, but I'd look on to a specialist, an orthopede who might run a few more detailed "look-sees." A CAT or an MRI might show up a problem not seen before.

Whatever, it sounds as if you might be approaching or are at the point where it doesn't matter anymore how much you hate Docs or hospitals or your worries on the home front and NEED to get this diagnosed hopefully fixed....or at least have a plan in that direction. I love ya' dear and you need to get something going or I'll have to come down there and drag your ass off somewhere myself! Now I know you can be mean as snake when needed (mix the Irish with the Texas and.......) but I think Hubby and I can handle you and if not, I'll bring a shovel to lay you out with a good whack or maybe two.

You have my best thoughts ...... But if all that ain't workin', I can smack you with that shovel!!

Saggy-Ass Tortoise


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Jan 02 - 09:39 PM

Sodium pentathol can work wonders...........knock you out for a day or two and you wake up a whole new person.....I'll bring an extra shovel, spaw.

No, seriously, every time I have ever had the General Anethestic, my bod has not hurt for days. Aine, in the future, just stop trying to everything all by yourself......if Dear Hubby can't help today, let it WAIT!


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Bert
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 12:27 AM

Sorry to hear that you're having back trouble.

Here's a few rules that the doc migh have forgotten to mention.

1. If you are taking pain killers then you shouldn't be up and about. I had one daft quack, gave me pain killers and sent me back to work.
2. Carry a small cushion with you and put it in the small of your back when sitting. Especially in the car.
3. Never bend over and try to touch your toes. That's never ever again.
4. Lay off of the coffee. The last thing you need is something that wakes up those nerves.

Get well soon, luvya.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 11:02 PM

Well, I talked to her and she insists that the real road to wellness is there for those who will just sheds their knickers. She had several messages to paass on to all Catters:

1. "Hi!!"
2. She's laughing a little but it still hurts to laugh.
3. "Once bare, ya never go back!!
4. "But be careful where you put the Ben Gay!!!!"

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: alison
Date: 28 Jan 02 - 11:25 PM

a few suggestions.... get a proper orthopaedic referral.....

if your doctor isn't treating you properly (and in my nurse's opinion he isn't)..... get another opinion.....

maybe you could do with a little bit of traction to relieve the pressure... (leave that decision up to the orthopod)...

meantime.. I'd try accupuncture and reflexology......

get well soon aine....

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 12:42 AM

She'll be able to do more when the new insurance kicks in on the 1st, Alison. She said she thniks her doc, tomorrow, will be referring her to a ortho, but I urged her to also see about an osteo, after the first and go for the acu and reflexology, too. The acu is really helping me out a lot; so much more to it than just sticking needles!*bg*

She was able to at least sit up in the wheelchair, today, and like Amos said, able to talk on the phone a bit and laugh a little. We didn't discuss knickers **BG**, but she did say she was able to go potty all by herself, today! She did sound better, thank goodness.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 01:40 PM

Somewhere in this is a Song Challenge. Shall we welcome the Gaelic Goddess back with some tunes written only for her?


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Genie
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 02:21 PM

Amos, re the Ben Gay, I'd add:
After applying to appropriate places, be sure to wash your hands thoroughly before touching other places without forethought! (I speak from experience.)

Sinsull, that sounds like a good idea. Maybe Kat or Amos will encapsulate the relevant info on Moon On the Hill, Áine's recent landscaping endeavors, and her struggle to get back to her normal Goddess form. Then, with Áine's sanction, of course, we could make it a Song Challenge!

Whaddya think, Kat? Amos? Anyone else who's keeping in touch with the situation?

Genie


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 04:55 PM

Some people say a Goddess is made out of fluff;
The Gaelic Goddess is sturdier stuff!
Got a back of iron and an arm as hard
But not as tough as that big back yard!

Tennessee Ernie would be proud!!

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 08:47 PM

Okay.....I talked to her the other night and she is describing all the symptons of a ruptured disc, probably at L-4/L-5. Discs do not slip, that's a misnomer. What happens is that the compression of the vertebra force out the cushioning material of the disc, This can be caused by conditions from old injuries to new ones as well as a form of arthritis known as "Degenerative Disc Disease."

A disc is really a cushion that separates each vertebra from the next and allows us to bend and all that sort of thing. The nerves run off of the spinal cord through a half moon opening on both the right and left side of individual vertebra, and with the adjoining one, you have a circular hole for the nerve called (as I recall) a foramen(?). Whatever you call it, it's a hole for the nerve to go through.

When a disc ruptures, either the disc material or the vertebra themselves put pressure on that nerve. Aine is describing a pain that is reasonably common as far as placement goes, that being the lower back, which takes a lot of abuse, and the area (L-4/5) where the sciatic nerve exits. The pain is INTENSE and I mean INTENSE. This isn't like a backache at all in the classic sense. There is a burning sensation at various spots along the leg (generally only one leg, though there is often pain in the other but not as severe) and the mass center of pain seems to be in the hip. The nerve is being irritated and inflamed by the pressure applied since the disc has ruptured. The pain is INTENSE!!!!!!!

The muscles, triggered by the nerves, become very tense and often spasm badly and your upper body will be out of line with your lower in a twisted fashion. Standing is almost impossible and there is NO position to alleviate the pain. Worth noting here is that a severe muscular spasm can in fact cause the nerve to be "pinched" by the vertebra, but in almost all cases, it is the nerve that is irritated causing the problem.

I talked to her a few hours ago too. Aine went back to the doctor today and he feels this may be the case and she is going in for an MRI tonight. An MRI is a wonderful piece of technology that takes pictures through a magnetic field induced around the body and a computer translates this into actual pictures that are very detailed, the image usually being from the top down through the body, so everything is very visible. You slide back and forth through a large tube, quite similar to a CAT scan, on a table that is accurate in placement to something less than 1 mm!!! There is no pain involved.......except in cases like Aine's. The testing requires that you lie very still and in her condition that is almost impossible. They generally don't like to do it, but drugs can be given to aid them in getting the test completed, but Aine is going to have a rough time just doing her part in this. If you have never had this type of back pain, there is no describing what she is going through and the Techs generally aren't as sympathetic as you'd like. Let's hope she gets some good ones tonight.

A Path will read the MRI and get back to her doctor and then a course of treatment can be decided. Surgery is pretty much a last resort as they will probably try Cortizone and some newer drugs to relieve the inflammation of the nerve and allow the muscles to relax. There are several pharmaceutical options possible and combined with a back exercise regimen and good sense when doing things, many people never have any surgery at all, a lifestyle adjustment and good meds will do.

If the disc is ruptured in such a way that surgery is warranted, there are also options available. The classic operation is called a laminectomy and the back is cut open in the appropriate area and the surgeon cuts away the "offending tissue" ....These have been done for years and are generally safe although any operation around the spinal cord, such as this one, is a major surgery. You are hospitalized about 4 days or so. Another option is the newer type of "scope surgery" which is less invasive and often used in cases where the amount of material to be removed is not as great. A small hole accomodates a large bore needle like affair with suction and a "saw" type gizmo and the surgeon removes the material through the tube. These are done in most cases as outpatient surgeries and only rarely does the patient remain overnight.

Forget what you heard for years about the horror tales of back surgery. Like other things, the advancements have minimized both the pain and the risk factors involved. You reach a point if your condition is severe enough that you really don't care anymore what they do, just get rid of the pain!!!

Aine can use all of your thoughts and prayers tonight to try to ease her pain to get her through the MRI. Laying on that table at all is probably beyond her at this point and lying still almost an impossibility so let's all keep some good vibes going for her for the next few hours and see if they can get a look to find the problem and get our Gaelic Goddess back on the road!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Jan 02 - 11:57 PM

And BTW, whomever talks with Aine next, how about a post to let us know how things went? I got my best thought s out there.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Genie
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 12:09 AM

Thanks for the update, Spaw. I'm visualizing and praying along with the rest of you friends of Áine.

Genie


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: CapriUni
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 02:19 AM

Oooh, ouch! My mother had a ruptured disk in her back many, many years ago (like about 20 or so), and she had to go in for surgery to get the problem fixed.

I remember the pain she was in, and I was wondering if Áine has the same problem. The good news is that after surgery, my mother made a full recovery. Her back was never as strong as it was before the surgery, but she still did everything she had done before... her favorite activities were swimming and chopping wood.

And surgical techniques are more sophiticated today than they were then... So, Áine, if the [other] "S" word comes up, try to see it as a light at the end of the tunnel, and not a catatrophy...


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 08:58 AM

I really appreciate you folks keeping us up on this. I mostly lurk these days, with the occasional post due to being in the middle of an organizing program with a very mean company. I have been following this one very closely cause I just love our Gaelic Goddess, as we all do.

I'm withya, sweetie, all the way. Get well soon.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 11:27 AM

I just talked with Aine. She and Dear Hubby are looking for a new doctor. She said she is in "maintain" mode, for now, but that there was no reason on earth for them to have put her through what they did last night. She said she's had four children and never known pain as last night's. Her analogy was it felt like having her leg amputated with no anasthesia.

I am going offline, offphone, and off-email for a 3 day health sabbatical, so maybe Amos or Catspaw can post an update, if they hear of anything new between now and Sunday, when I will be back. I urge her to see if she could get into a new doc by Friday so she wouldn't have to go through another weekend.

Please keep sending her your support and love. She is in great need of it, and thanks.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: CapriUni
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 12:12 PM

{{{{{Áine}}}}}

(This fish-goat unicorn is sharpening her 'headgear' ;-), gettin' ready to spear those nasty pain demons, and all those who invite them in, into oblivion... just give the word...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 01:32 PM

I talked with aine just a few minutes ago and she is inPAIN!!! As I said above, there is no way to describe sciatic nerve pain unless you've been there and even then, words aren't adequate to really convey it.

Last night was completely hideous for her, kinda' like starring in your own horror film. The doctor did not do anything to assure that they could perform the MRI with as little discomfort as possible and the techs were "less than sympathetic." I've often thought that some of the people involved in medicine should have to undergo what they do. I don't know how you could induce enough pain to show someone how almost impossible it is to lay on a narrow table when every position is painful and especially trying to lay flat and straight. I suppose what's worse is that many of the techs (not all) act as though you're making a big deal over nothing. Much to her credit and her will, Aine got through this thing and they say they got good pix. As she said, it's almost worth doing anything to keep from repeating that nightmare.

They will be looking for another doc. It would have been the thing for a doctor to do, to get involved and be sure his patient can get through a test without having to undergo the experience that Aine did. I'm going to give "Dear Hubby" a call later this evening and see where things are going. I'm certainly no doctor, but I can recognize the pain she's describing and something beyond yard work is causing it. Something is applying pressure to the sciatic nerve because that is precisely the pain she describes.

Keep your best thought prayers headed down Texas way.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: MMario
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 01:46 PM

'spaw - I'll agree with you that there are no words to describe that kind of pain.

Glad you're keeping in touch with them -


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 11:21 PM

I talked with "Dear Hubby" this evening and they are looking for an orthopedist. The results of the MRI came back and Aine does indeed have ruptured (also called herniated) disc. He has some leads on good orthopedes and hopefully, before the weekend, they will be able to make an appointment and start discussion on treatment, probably surgery.

Again, as I said above, there are surgical options and they will find out what is the best route to take, No matter how scary surgery may sound, the pain Aine is in is simply not to be believed and I figure she has reached the point I mentioned where it really doesn't matter what they do, just get rid of the pain!!!

Send your best and hold some good thoughts for both of them. Being the spouse in these situations is pretty damn tough too as many of you know. You want to do something and there is just about nothing you can do. My best and Karen's too goes to both of them.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 30 Jan 02 - 11:35 PM

Hang in there Aine. My wife has disc problems, and I know how painful it can be. We're all rooting for you to get past this soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: CapriUni
Date: 31 Jan 02 - 10:00 AM

Thanks, for the updates, Spaw!

And I agree. "Surgery" may sound scary, but if it's needed, and done well, it's a (Martha Stewart)Good Thing(/Martha Stewart).

Adding "Doctor with skill vibes" to the "healing the back vibes"


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: SINSULL
Date: 31 Jan 02 - 10:21 AM

At least she has a diagnosis. The pain is excruciating. The "It's All In Your Head" implication must have made it unbearable. Hang in there, Love. Now that they have identified what is wrong, they can fix it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 02 - 03:29 PM

Please ask Lane to look into this thread and check the following discussion of herniated discs. Surgery is not needed in the majority of cases. I am not suggesting it be ruled out, but a more effective and less invasive therapy would be my first choice. See following:

 Dr. Kevin J. Rodrigues / Chiropractor / Doctor's Office
 Here is the results of a research study done recently CLICK HERE describing the benefits of
               using the Vertetrac® Ambulatory Traction Unit in the treatment of herniated discs...
 ChiroFind.com | tell me about herniated discs : "And only a
                    minority of disc herniations turn out to require treatment as traumatic and
                    costly as hospitalization and surgery or with as many side effects
                    (especially for older people) as opioid analgesics and muscle relaxants"

 What is a Herniated or Slipped Disc -
"In the vast majority of cases, a herniated disc can be healed successfully without
                      the aid of surgery.  A study done shows that 92% of people suffering from
                      verified disc herniations recovered successfully without any form of surgery. J.A.
                      Sael, et al. "The Natural History of Lumber Intervertebral Disc Extrusions Treated
                      Non-Operatively." Spine 15 (1990): 8-20)"

Lumbar herniated disc overview, by Spine-Health  duke chiropractic-neck-herniated-disc
Less than 1% require surgery as an outcome...
 

 Chiropractic, Alternative and Holistic Health Care - Case Studies - Disc Disorders
Case studies involving nonsurgical care of herniated discs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 08:13 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 08:31 PM

MRI complete but doing it made the pain absolutely awful;. In the middle of the MRI, lying on a foam pad she had already shredded with her nails from pain and surrounded by an awful humming noise she could not stand, the Goddess reached out and instead of passing out, she envisioned a stadium full of loyal Mudcatters chanting "WAY TO GO, GAELIC GODDESS" in a rhythm that exactly matched the hum.

It got her through. They had given her a stress-squeeze ball to grip while she was in this tunnel, and she was squeezing it so hard the nurse had to unclaw her fingers from it one by one.

She is in good fighting spirits; they return to the medics Monday morning, and, I have assured her, the spirit of the 'Cat will be backing her all the way, chanting "WAY TO GO, GAELIC GODDESS!!".

She misses her Song Challengers sompn orful.

She can still laugh, though. Ask her some time about the Gaelic Goddess Patented Over-Shoulder Wedgie Remover we invented. :>)

Regards,

A.


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Metchosin
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 08:36 PM

Oooh very out of it on this thread too. Sorry to hear about your back Áine. All the best.

Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Genie
Date: 02 Feb 02 - 11:26 PM

Wal, we miss the Gaelic Goddess sompn orful, too, Amos!
Genie


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 12:57 AM

And Gargoyle sets a record for moving from the sublime to the ridiculous in less than three minutes! A new record in bizarro land...
Gargoyle's message was a personal attack and I received a complaint about it, so it went to deleteland.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Clifton53
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 12:34 PM

More serious than I thought. Aine, good wishes for a good person.

Clifton


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Micca
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 12:59 PM

Garg, before you launch your voodoo stuff remember the Rules of magic, " what you send will return to you 3 fold" So I look forward to your appeal for healing and the storm of apathy it will raise. I publish this purely as a an advice, to anyone dabbling, or threatening to dabble, in things that they do not understand.This applies wqually to wishing evil or pain on someone as to actually trying by any magical means to bring it about.
To Aine, all the very best of wishes for a speedy recovery,I am thinking of you
Maybe you should call your garden the " Rocks of Bawn"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Get well, Áine!
From: Amos
Date: 03 Feb 02 - 01:36 PM

My curse is on you, Gargie
May your knotted testes fall
For ye laid me up in bandages
With yer feckin' Voodoo doll
I'm lying here in bandages
From the cold daylight til dawn
And I hope you spend your next five years
Under' the Rocks o' Bawn


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